PC vs. Playstation, Saturn, 3DO etc.
Zeuxis
better a PC with a 486DX4/100 processor or a Playstation, Saturn, 3DO,
etc.? I guess you have to let everyone decide for themselves, but when
it comes down to it which as more power and can do more things? Any side
by side comparisons available or perhaps someone would be kind enough to
explain the comparisons. Thanks for your time.
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Dave Huntoon
>Hello, I'm very curious as to the answer of this question: Which is
>better a PC with a 486DX4/100 processor or a Playstation, Saturn, 3DO,
>etc.? I guess you have to let everyone decide for themselves, but when
>it comes down to it which as more power and can do more things? Any side
>by side comparisons available or perhaps someone would be kind enough to
>explain the comparisons. Thanks for your time.
>My Internet E-Mail Address-
>zeu...@wwa.com
Buy the December - Next Generation magazine. They
Review all of them and more.
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nobody
>Hello, I'm very curious as to the answer of this question: Which is
>better a PC with a 486DX4/100 processor or a Playstation, Saturn, 3DO,
>etc.? I guess you have to let everyone decide for themselves, but when
>it comes down to it which as more power and can do more things? Any side
>by side comparisons available or perhaps someone would be kind enough to
>explain the comparisons. Thanks for your time.
As of right now, Saturn appears to be the most powerful 32bitter,
followed by PSX. DX4-100 and 3DO lag far behind Sega and Sony's
machines.
This trend is funny because PSX was thought to be more powerful than
Saturn just couple month ago. But newer Saturn games(namely VF2 and
Sega Rally) destroy every PSX competition in terms of graphics, so
Saturn is now more powerful than PSX.
I will not discuss 3DO and DX4, as they can't possibly compete with
Sega and Sony's machines.
PSX is an all out polygon machine, with a built in geometry engine
that enables it to calculate 1.5 million polygons per second. Its
MotionJPEG decorder produces a very nice FMV(better than MPEG1) as
well. However, its GPU is kind of slow, so it can draw only about
180,000 texture mapped polygons per second on the screen. It has no
capability for 2D sprite and muliple parallex backgrounds as well. It
is excellent for 3D, but sucks for everything else.
Saturn is a former 2D arcade board doing part time work as a home
console. Its 2D sprite and multiplex background scrolling performence
is unmatched by anything else. Its CD drive is double the speed of
PSX's CD drive, and its sound hardware is killer as well. But it has no
built in capability for 3D to 2D geometry conversion calculation, so
Saturn has to do it in software routines using 3 processors' brute
force. This software mathod is complicated and hard compared to PSX's
hardware mathod, so early 3D Saturn games sucked as hell. However,
Saturn can outperform PSX in 3D if programmed right because its twin
VDPs can outdraw PSX's single GPU, and this shows in recent Saturn VF2
and Sega Rally. Both games are graphically better than any PSX games
either released or under development.
However, 3rd party developers would favor PSX over Saturn for one
simple reason; Saturn maybe more powerful than PSX, but it is far easer
to develop for PSX than Saturn. Dealing with 5 processors(PSX) is far
simpler than dealing with 8 processors(Saturn)
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Jari Turunen
>Hello, I'm very curious as to the answer of this question: Which is
>better a PC with a 486DX4/100 processor or a Playstation, Saturn, 3DO,
>etc.? I guess you have to let everyone decide for themselves, but when
>it comes down to it which as more power and can do more things? Any side
>by side comparisons available or perhaps someone would be kind enough to
>explain the comparisons. Thanks for your time.
Hi
I happen to own 3DO, PS and 486DX4/100 so I thought I could briefly
try to answer your question.
This is my opinion and its based on 3D-performance in mentioned games.
Note that I am not judging gameplay here!
1.PS (WipeOut, Toshinden, Demolition Derby)
2.486/100 (FxFighter, Doom & clones, Need for Speed)
3.3DO (Need for Speed, Killing Time)
I haven't yet played WipeOut or Demolition Derby on my PC nor Doom on
3DO or PS which makes comparisons a tad difficult.
Actually Need for Speed looks better on 3DO than on 486/100 but it
plays slower.
I think PS gives at its best pentium+ performance. 3DO is on the
486DX2/50-66 level. PC has other advantages (plenty of main memory,
hard-drive, keyboard) which make it suitable for complex (simulation
type of) games.
Sorry not to have time to get more to details.
Jari Turunen
Dave Glue
Turunen) wrote:
>Actually Need for Speed looks better on 3DO than on 486/100 but it
>plays slower.
Need for Speed looks better on the 3DO as compared to the VGA mode on
the PC, but the PC's SVGA mode is something altogether different.
>
>I think PS gives at its best pentium+ performance. 3DO is on the
>486DX2/50-66 level. PC has other advantages (plenty of main memory,
>hard-drive, keyboard) which make it suitable for complex (simulation
>type of) games.
>
I agree with your assesments. A PSX will generally give better 3D
performance than a 486-100, in some cases substantially better (eg-
Wipeout, Tekken).
Dave Glue
>>Hello, I'm very curious as to the answer of this question: Which is
>>better a PC with a 486DX4/100 processor or a Playstation, Saturn, 3DO,
>>etc.? I guess you have to let everyone decide for themselves, but when
>>it comes down to it which as more power and can do more things? Any side
>>by side comparisons available or perhaps someone would be kind enough to
>>explain the comparisons. Thanks for your time.
>
> As of right now, Saturn appears to be the most powerful 32bitter,
> followed by PSX. DX4-100 and 3DO lag far behind Sega and Sony's
> machines.
Ignore this child. His ridiculous rantings on the subject of 3D
accelerators were laughed off this group before, and his obvious
partial judgement should be taken at face value. There is not a shred
of factual information or non-prejudicial viewpoints in his messages.
Which system is best? Rent them from your local Blockbuster for a
night. Get Virtua Fighter 2 and Sega Rally for the Saturn, Wipeout
and Warwahk (or Tekken if you like fighting games) for the PSX. Play
them. Then judge. Don't shell out $400 based on one kids opinions.
nobody
>On 25 Nov 1995 21:49:18 GMT, nobody <nobody@somewhere> wrote:
>
>
>>>Hello, I'm very curious as to the answer of this question: Which is
>>>better a PC with a 486DX4/100 processor or a Playstation, Saturn, 3DO,
>>>etc.? I guess you have to let everyone decide for themselves, but when
>>>it comes down to it which as more power and can do more things? Any side
>>>by side comparisons available or perhaps someone would be kind enough to
>>>explain the comparisons. Thanks for your time.
>>
>> As of right now, Saturn appears to be the most powerful 32bitter,
>> followed by PSX. DX4-100 and 3DO lag far behind Sega and Sony's
>> machines.
>
>Ignore this child. His ridiculous rantings on the subject of 3D
>accelerators were laughed off this group before, and his obvious
>partial judgement should be taken at face value. There is not a shred
>of factual information or non-prejudicial viewpoints in his messages.
>
you know, all new X86 processors minus Cyrix 6x86 and Pentium are RISC
processors coupled with hardwired X86 to RISC instruction converters.
You will see all the PowerPCs, RX000, and HP Pa-RISCs doing X86 pretty
soon as well.) and that a PC with accelerator can beat a dedicated
console.
Hey, Mr "glued to the stone wall" glue, I have a question for you. Why
do Destruction Derby, WipeOut, Twisted Metal, and VF Remix for 133Mhz
Pentium suck so much compared to their respective console
counter-parts? Steal think Pentium Pro will bring new life to X86
gaming? Get a life.
Glues got a stone in his head. and he is proud of it!!!!!!!!
B Morphin
>> Hey, Mr "glued to the stone wall" glue, I have a question for you.
Why
>> do Destruction Derby, WipeOut, Twisted Metal, and VF Remix for
133Mhz
>> Pentium suck so much compared to their respective console
>> counter-parts? Steal think Pentium Pro will bring new life to X86
>> gaming? Get a life.
>>
>> Glues got a stone in his head. and he is proud of it!!!!!!!!
>>
Since I have the opportunity to play the best of both I can easily say
at the moment the PC is the better platform. Obviously cost has to be
figured in somewhere, but if you drop the cost IMO there's no
comparison. Tekken is the only game that really stands the PSX out from
the PC. Anybody else stating otherwise really has a bent view IMO or
just doesn't know better.
Add 3D blaster or the such to the PC and I'm sure Tekken is very very
do-able.
PSX'ers say Doom is better on the Sony. It isn't the graphics are
fuzzier, the different colors they use aren't neccessarily as good, the
sound is very debatable and I honestly prefer the PC to it. The bob in
the PSX is very minimul and IMO hurts the visuals.
Wipeout, Destruction Derby & Twisted Metal on the PSX is easily
cancelled out by Hi-Octane and Nascar on the PC. Hi-O will be out for
the PSX shortly as well as DD and Wipeout for the PC.
I like FIFA on the PSX, but I'm gonna try it on the PC, the PC
supposedly has better graphics and definatley more options. But I never
really played a sports game on the PC that I like (Racing excluded).
Each year I try a new sports title out just to see if their catching
up.
Stradegy game wise is a complete blowout!
PSX is easier to set-up, duhhh.
PC's have superior controllers, which really adds to overall gameplay.
I have played darn near every PSX game, I really enjoy Tekken and Fifa
is second, Warhawk 3rd (hard as hell to control though), that's all I
can find that I like. It's hard to keep a game when your comparing it
to the best the PC has to offer. I just have better games already on
the PC. My main purpose of buying the PSX was being able to enjoy the
sports games on the road with them, at the moment I'm waiting and
hopeful. Other than that though I can't see the PSX ever winning out
over the PC any-place else especially when the 3D cards become the
standard, it just won't happen.
Leaving out money and just talking best games at any cost.
BH
Dave Glue
> Hey, Mr "glued to the stone wall" glue, I have a question for you. Why
> do Destruction Derby, WipeOut, Twisted Metal, and VF Remix for 133Mhz
> Pentium suck so much compared to their respective console
> counter-parts? Steal think Pentium Pro will bring new life to X86
> gaming? Get a life.
>
> Glues got a stone in his head. and he is proud of it!!!!!!!!
>
You're just not that bright of a kid, are you?
Hunter
>PSX'ers say Doom is better on the Sony. It isn't the graphics are
>fuzzier, the different colors they use aren't neccessarily as good, the
>sound is very debatable and I honestly prefer the PC to it. The bob in
>the PSX is very minimul and IMO hurts the visuals.
I still can't comprehend playing Doom without a mouse. No go. The
only thing about the PSX port I liked was the music. My Sound Galaxy
doesn't give me synthesized music like that.
>Wipeout, Destruction Derby & Twisted Metal on the PSX is easily
>cancelled out by Hi-Octane and Nascar on the PC. Hi-O will be out for
>the PSX shortly as well as DD and Wipeout for the PC.
Hmmm... I loved Destruction Derby and liked the demo of Wipeout for
the PSX. Still trying to get a copy of DD for the PC. Hi-O and
Nascar ran too slowly for me.
When the 3D cards become common, maybe we'll be able to get a hold of
that fanboy crowd that's content to stick in Mortal Kombat 18. The
families who want to spend an evening watching their 8 year old
daughter play Sonic. I know most PC fanatics don't like that image,
but we're going to be stuck in a bottleneck between mediocre hardware
and envelope pushing software until it happens. We've got the nerd
dollar now, always ready to spend the buck for that extra 8meg or
Pentium Pro 150mhz. But most people don't have a need for that. We
need to demonstrate that the PC _can_ become the home/family tool and
entertainment complex that Trip Hawkins wanted the 3DO to be.
Yikes. I mentioned Trip.
Hunter
"I hide the dirty minutes under my dirty mattress and they
are making me itch."
Faith No More - "Jizzlobber"
B Morphin
We've got the nerd
dollar now, always ready to spend the buck for that extra 8meg or
Pentium Pro 150mhz. But most people don't have a need for that. We
need to demonstrate that the PC _can_ become the home/family tool and
entertainment complex that Trip Hawkins wanted the 3DO to be.
Reply:
I'm I writing with Chris Crawford now!
Evan
>at the moment the PC is the better platform. Obviously cost has to be
>figured in somewhere, but if you drop the cost IMO there's no
>comparison. Tekken is the only game that really stands the PSX out from
>the PC. Anybody else stating otherwise really has a bent view IMO or
>just doesn't know better.
Gimme a break. You're wrong. The correct answer is that, at
least for the time being, both PCs and consoles have advantages in
different areas. Granted, consoles are more limited in their
advantages, but if you like those sorts of games, then that's all that
matters. I have one of the fastest PCs on the planet, and it still
can't do certain things the way my PSX can, and vice-versa. This is a
really stupid non-debate...
>Add 3D blaster or the such to the PC and I'm sure Tekken is very very
>do-able.
Don't bring speculation into this. I, for one, would love
to play Tekken on my PC, but for the time being I can't. Period.
>PSX'ers say Doom is better on the Sony. It isn't the graphics are
>fuzzier, the different colors they use aren't neccessarily as good, the
>sound is very debatable and I honestly prefer the PC to it. The bob in
>the PSX is very minimul and IMO hurts the visuals.
Well, this is a bad example. Anyone who plays Doom
(especially deathmatch) seriously, knows that it *requires* a mouse to
keep a fast turning rate. Just ask Romero if he would actually play
Doom with a PSX controller. The idea is laughable to anyone with a
clue as to what they're talking about.
>Wipeout, Destruction Derby & Twisted Metal on the PSX is easily
>cancelled out by Hi-Octane and Nascar on the PC. Hi-O will be out for
>the PSX shortly as well as DD and Wipeout for the PC.
Have you even played these games?? Wipeout destroys
Hi-Octane (which, BTW, is at 77 and dropping like a rock on the Net
Top 100). And DD and TM are *nothing* like Nascar. I think that's
where you're getting confused. If you're comparing apples to oranges,
and the PSX isn't good at making oranges, then you might fool yourself
into thinking one system is "superior" to the other. However, if you
correctly compare *only* the arcade games of the PSX to it's
equivalents (and ports, as in the case of DD) on the PC, you'll find
that the PSX does those better...for *now*.
>I like FIFA on the PSX, but I'm gonna try it on the PC, the PC
>supposedly has better graphics and definatley more options. But I never
>really played a sports game on the PC that I like (Racing excluded).
>Each year I try a new sports title out just to see if their catching
>up.
I agree. And that's another reason why one should own both,
and not simply say that "PCs are superior."
>Stradegy game wise is a complete blowout!
True (strategy).
>PSX is easier to set-up, duhhh.
It's nice to know that a game will *always* work, etc....
>PC's have superior controllers, which really adds to overall gameplay.
I've yet to find an arcade stick of the same quality as the
ones I use for consoles.
>
>I have played darn near every PSX game, I really enjoy Tekken and Fifa
>is second, Warhawk 3rd (hard as hell to control though), that's all I
>can find that I like. It's hard to keep a game when your comparing it
>to the best the PC has to offer. I just have better games already on
>the PC. My main purpose of buying the PSX was being able to enjoy the
>sports games on the road with them, at the moment I'm waiting and
>hopeful. Other than that though I can't see the PSX ever winning out
>over the PC any-place else especially when the 3D cards become the
>standard, it just won't happen.
It's *NOT* a question of "winning out"!!! If anyone
actually understood this, these ridiculous debates wouldn't take
place. Console systems are a *huge* industry in their own right, and
they won't be going anywhere in the near future. Of course, neither
will PC games. Period.
>Leaving out money and just talking best games at any cost.
>
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>BH
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--Evan
Jari Turunen
>Need for Speed looks better on the 3DO as compared to the VGA mode on
>the PC, but the PC's SVGA mode is something altogether different.
But on (my) 486/100 NFS SVGA is too jerky to play. Interlaced mode
works well enough and looks quite nice though. (Actually 3DO uses
interpolated 'low-res' in this particular game.)
Jari Turunen
Hunter
>I'm I writing with Chris Crawford now!
Yes. I've got new hero. Thanks for noticing.
Hunter
"If you're going to go making fun of the car someone drives, be
prepared for the moment they try to run you over with it."
-Me.
Chris Cannon
>q...@ix.netcom.com (B Morphin ) wrote:
>
>>fuzzier, the different colors they use aren't neccessarily as good, the
>>sound is very debatable and I honestly prefer the PC to it. The bob in
>>the PSX is very minimul and IMO hurts the visuals.
>
>only thing about the PSX port I liked was the music. My Sound Galaxy
>doesn't give me synthesized music like that.
Then buy the PSX mouse, I did. (for X-COM tho)
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Michael Carmack
: In article <49effv$j...@eri1.erinet.com>, Hunter <hit...@erinet.com> wrote:
: >I still can't comprehend playing Doom without a mouse. No go. The
: >only thing about the PSX port I liked was the music. My Sound Galaxy
: >doesn't give me synthesized music like that.
: Then buy the PSX mouse, I did. (for X-COM tho)
Or buy a wavetable daughtercard for you PC.
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Dave Glue
wrote:
>In article <49effv$j...@eri1.erinet.com>, Hunter <hit...@erinet.com> wrote:
>>q...@ix.netcom.com (B Morphin ) wrote:
>>
>>>PSX'ers say Doom is better on the Sony. It isn't the graphics are
>>>fuzzier, the different colors they use aren't neccessarily as good, the
>>>sound is very debatable and I honestly prefer the PC to it. The bob in
>>>the PSX is very minimul and IMO hurts the visuals.
>>
>>I still can't comprehend playing Doom without a mouse. No go. The
>>only thing about the PSX port I liked was the music. My Sound Galaxy
>>doesn't give me synthesized music like that.
>
> Then buy the PSX mouse, I did. (for X-COM tho)
Does Doom on the PSX support the mouse though? This is the first I've
heard that it does.
Regardless, players on the the PC use the mouse for aiming, and the
keyboard for movement. Using the mouse for all would be even worse
than the gamepad. Either way, the PSX version does not offer the
control of the PC.
This isn't an anti=PSX post, btw. Rented it for three days, just
great. Warhawk is mind-blowing.
CHRISTIAN
>From: nobody <nobody@somewhere>
>Subject: Re: PC vs. Playstation, Saturn, 3DO etc.
>Date: 25 Nov 1995 21:49:18 GMT
>zeu...@wwa.com (Zeuxis) wrote:
>>Hello, I'm very curious as to the answer of this question: Which is
>>better a PC with a 486DX4/100 processor or a Playstation, Saturn, 3DO,
>>etc.? I guess you have to let everyone decide for themselves, but when
>>it comes down to it which as more power and can do more things? Any side
>>by side comparisons available or perhaps someone would be kind enough to
>>explain the comparisons. Thanks for your time.
>
> As of right now, Saturn appears to be the most powerful 32bitter,
> followed by PSX. DX4-100 and 3DO lag far behind Sega and Sony's
> machines.
>
> Saturn just couple month ago. But newer Saturn games(namely VF2 and
> Sega Rally) destroy every PSX competition in terms of graphics, so
> Saturn is now more powerful than PSX.
>
> I will not discuss 3DO and DX4, as they can't possibly compete with
>
What a well thought out comment. No matter what the flames say, you
could just be right. . .Though I would say in 3D games a psx and saturn
outpeforms the dx4100. Compare Hi-octane on a dx4 and psx and eventually
saturn!
MASHOOD KHAN
> In article <49effv$j...@eri1.erinet.com>, Hunter <hit...@erinet.com> wrote:
> >q...@ix.netcom.com (B Morphin ) wrote:
> >
> >>PSX'ers say Doom is better on the Sony. It isn't the graphics are
> >>fuzzier, the different colors they use aren't neccessarily as good, the
> >>sound is very debatable and I honestly prefer the PC to it. The bob in
> >>the PSX is very minimul and IMO hurts the visuals.
> >
> >I still can't comprehend playing Doom without a mouse. No go. The
> >only thing about the PSX port I liked was the music. My Sound Galaxy
> >doesn't give me synthesized music like that.
>
> Then buy the PSX mouse, I did. (for X-COM tho)
>
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>As someone who has experienced both, the graphics on the PlayStation Doom
are superior as is the sound, control as well is very tight, BUT there
isn't the WAD scene on the PlayStation.
Mash