Id or EA games?
Golden
which I thought was crap. So someone at this site suggested Dead Space which
I bought and found out I couldn't use my mouse to go forward. Dead Space is
an EA game so my question is should I stay away from EA games? After using a
mouse to go forward for 15 years is hard to break that habit. I think in the
Id games you can use your mouse to go forward in all their games? So I
played Quake 4 for 4 years and I haven't found a suitable replacement since
the game is 4 years old and I would like something new. I really need to
check out the games before I buy. Dead Space was a lesson and mistake which
I don't plan to repeat. So any ideas for a new game and this time I want to
make sure I can use my mouse to go forward and I'm going to check out the
game. After buying Quake wars and Dead Space I'm really paranoid about
another game. I'm an old timer and I don't want to spend untold hours
figuring out how to play the game.
Zank Frappa
1- You're comparing apples to oranges - iD is a game development company
while EA is a developer, marketer, publisher and distributor. There are
no guarantees that control schemes will be supported even within the
same franchise and/or developer, let alone in a multifaceted company
like EA and its countless game studios all over the globe.
2- Ever heard of demos? That's what they're for. Try it before you buy
it.
3- If all you've played for the last 15 years are iD games I'd suggest
you branch out a bit cause you're missing out on a lotta good stuff.
Just sayin'.
4- Get used to WASD for movement and mouse for look/shoot. There's a
reason why that's the standard today and has been for quite a while.
5- And above all, stop reminding me of johns. Please?
Sheldon England
> I've been playing Id games for 15 years from the first Doom to Quake
> wars which I thought was crap. So someone at this site suggested Dead
> Space which I bought and found out I couldn't use my mouse to go
> forward. Dead Space is an EA game so my question is should I stay away
> from EA games? After using a mouse to go forward for 15 years is hard to
> break that habit.
Based on your criteria ... you should probably avoid ANY game made or
published in the last decade. EA is not the only game company using the
WASD and mouse arrangement.
- Sheldon, who doesn't think it is johns ... but is
starting to think he has been trolled
Shawk
You played one game for 4years? You are Spalls nemesis aren't you?
There are a lot of old timers here and I shouldn't imagine any one of
them would have to spend untold hours figuring out just four keys
(WASD), only one of which is for going forward.
If you want to play games you're going to have to get used to it, play
Quake for another 4yrs or find another hobby I'm afraid. And really,
its pretty simple and entirely painless requiring probably less than an
hour to get used to it... unless there is some disability you haven't
mentioned of course...
Its crazy to dismiss so many great games for such a lame excuse
Golden
I don't know what a "johns" is?
Golden
> Based on your criteria ... you should probably avoid ANY game made or
> published in the last decade. EA is not the only game company using the
> WASD and mouse arrangement.
What does WASD stand for?
Golden
What is a "Spalls nemesis"?
Shawk
>> You played one game for 4years? You are Spalls nemesis aren't you?
>
> What is a "Spalls nemesis"?
>
There are probably better words but I have a nemesis down as a
formidable opponent. Better to say perhaps that you may be this groups
ying to Spalls yang...
A Spalls is a strange animal that manages to fit 30hours of gaming into
every single day while still living what appears to be a normal life
Tim O
Wipe A Shitty Dick, and I'm amazed if you haven't done it four times
this week.
Zank Frappa
> Golden wrote:
>
>> 5- And above all, stop reminding me of johns. Please?
>
> I don't know what a "johns" is?
Sheldon, Shawk and I have tried to answer you to the best of
our knowledge and all we get back is "I don't know what WASD/Spalls
nemesis/johns is?" I'm smelling a troll (go ahead, ask me what a troll
is).
Speaking of trolls, a johns is a strange animal that manages to play the
same game for 30000 hours and still not learn its control scheme
properly. He also insists on mapping the right mouse button (RMB) to
forward movement - sounds familiar? Yea, I thought so.
Shawk already told you about Spalls, see if you can figure what WASD is
all by your little self.
Golden
> same game for 30000 hours and still not learn its control scheme
> properly. He also insists on mapping the right mouse button (RMB) to
> forward movement - sounds familiar? Yea, I thought so.
30,000 hours is 15 working years. Are you sure that is what a johns is?
Golden
>
> Wipe A Shitty Dick, and I'm amazed if you haven't done it four times
> this week.
No, that's not what it stands for. Come on tell me what it really stands
for?
Golden
>>
>
>
> There are probably better words but I have a nemesis down as a
> formidable opponent. Better to say perhaps that you may be this groups
> ying to Spalls yang...
>
> A Spalls is a strange animal that manages to fit 30hours of gaming into
> every single day while still living what appears to be a normal life
That is only 24 hours in a day. I think you guys are jerking me around.
Zank Frappa
Not anymore, we're calling it a Goldens from now on.
Or a RichardMillers.
Golden
>> 30,000 hours is 15 working years. Are you sure that is what a johns
>> is?
>
> Not anymore, we're calling it a Goldens from now on.
>
> Or a RichardMillers.
Well I'm not very smart about playing games so maybe you can recommend a
book so I can learn how to play games?
Memnoch
You've been a gamer for at least 15 years and don't know? Its the "almost"
default movement configuration for almost all games out there now. I used to
use the cursor keys for a long while and weaned myself off that to WASD
instead. Just as many keys and I don't have to shift the keyboard around when
typing messages to other players for instance.
You just aren't going to get anywhere with just using the mouse to move
around, aim and shoot, even in single player.
Memnoch
>> You played one game for 4years? You are Spalls nemesis aren't you?
>
>What is a "Spalls nemesis"?
Now you are just trolling. So who are you really?
Memnoch
And don't reply what is a "trolling"?
Memnoch
Ah, yes. Only 24 hours on Earth that is. We don't restrict ourselves around
here.
Golden
> default movement configuration for almost all games out there now. I used
> to
> use the cursor keys for a long while and weaned myself off that to WASD
> instead. Just as many keys and I don't have to shift the keyboard around
> when
> typing messages to other players for instance.
>
> You just aren't going to get anywhere with just using the mouse to move
> around, aim and shoot, even in single player.
I understand what your saying. The problem is I just played Doom and Quake
and just went in shooting and didn't pay attention to all the things you can
do with the game. I only got interested in games in the last couple of
months. I think I'm just going to have to get my head out of my ass and
learn this stuff if I really want to enjoy game playing. Thanks for the
post.
Spalls Hurgenson
wrote:
>
>You played one game for 4years? You are Spalls nemesis aren't you?
Hey, I resemble that remark!
Now excuse me, I have another three games to finish in the next
sixteen minutes or my monthly game's list won't be long enough ;-)
Spalls Hurgenson
wrote:
I wouldn't call it "normal"...
Besides, days are longer out where I live...
Golden
>
> And don't reply what is a "trolling"?
Ok you seem like a nice person. I work in Silicon Valley for many years
building dozens of networks for different companies. If I think someone is
jerking me around well I can play too. But I really don't know shit about
games.
MetalGuru
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Zerg: $25/hr
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You can't beat those prices.
Shawk
You seem pretty good at playing games already...
Shawk
...or keyboards allegedly
Golden
>> Well I'm not very smart about playing games so maybe you can recommend a
>> book so I can learn how to play games?
>
>
> You seem pretty good at playing games already...
I thought you were an American but if I would of known your English I
wouldn't have played so dumb. We need to treat or allies nice.
Antonio Huerta
(Speaking to everyone) This man is seriously pulling your leg. :-E
Antonio Huerta
<memn...@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote:
> I used to
> use the cursor keys for a long while and weaned myself off that to WASD
> instead. Just as many keys and I don't have to shift the keyboard around when
> typing messages to other players for instance.
Hm, I also used to use the cursor keys... in the times when mouse was
not used for playing the shooters (e.g. Doom), Then I had a break in
playing games. Then I got HL2, and it required from me to use mouse in
left hand, and WASD by right hand. I found it inconvenient to aim with
the left hand (I am right-sided). But years later, I learn that people
actually use it the other way around, that is the mouse in right nad,
and WASD for the left hand. Arghhh... I found this arrangement
inconvenient, so that I stuck to what I knew. So, a main disadvantage
of my scheme seems to be the necessity to shift the keyboard back when
I want to type message. Aye, aye...
Antonio Huerta
That's it ! "Golden" is a troll... and old acquaintance of ours at
that.
Gray Death
I feel sorry for the new posters here now, because every new poster
who sounds a little "crazy", I assume is part of the sockpuppet
"family" until proven otherwise. I'm not saying I don't find the
"family" at times, it's just hard to know who's serious.
Memnoch
Only got interested in games in the last couple of months?
"I've been playing Id games for 15 years from the first Doom to Quake
wars...."
That's a quote from your first post. So which is it, 15 years, a few months or
just another troll? :-)
rms
> habit.
I was a confirmed mouse forward/backward configuration person also,
using the spacebar for fire, for years. Just pick a new game you like and
use the default config with the standard wasd config and learn it, you'll
get good at it soon. L4D is a good game for that purpose.
rms
Memnoch
The first game I ever played in that configuration was the original Quake.
Having to look up and down for enemies necessitated it. I even used to play
Duke Nukem 3D with a joystick!
Warewolf
news:Huw3m.12771$wE4....@newsfe02.iad:
> I've been playing Id games for 15 years from the first Doom to Quake
> wars which I thought was crap. So someone at this site suggested Dead
> Space which I bought and found out I couldn't use my mouse to go
> forward.
This is one of those cases of a game being 'defective by design'. X^�
In fact, it's the number of bad games that are currently on the retail
shelf that has caused me to turn to freeware for my gaming 'fix'.
(although I'm not above purchasing the occasional independent game like
'World of Goo') ^_^
> Dead Space is an EA game so my question is should I stay away from EA
> games?
As long as they continue to use SecuROM and 'limited installations' as
'copy protection', yes.
When I buy a game from *ANY* genre, I expect to be able to install it and
play it on my computer or console *without any kind of hassle* and that is
**NOT** what has been on the proverbial 'menu' for most of the remaining
game companies lately. ~~}:^(
'Screw the customer' has become the new 'Job well done'...but that's a
whole other thread. ^_^
> After using a mouse to go forward for 15 years, it's hard to break that
> habit.
Well, unless you have a disability that is preventing you from using the
keyboard and mouse to play, it might help to give that method a try. Many
modern first-person shooters have weapons with more than one feature so
being able to use both peripherals can be an advantage if not a necessity.
Then again, everyone has their own play style so I could be blowing smoke,
so to speak. ^_^
> So I played Quake 4 for 4 years...and I would like something new.
Well, if you don't want to check the internet for 'mods' (read: maps and
other extras) for Quake 4 or any other games in your collection (or try a
different type of game *smirk*), perhaps it's time to give something like
No One Lives Forever or the Half-Life series a try.
(Or, if you're on a budget, perhaps Cube, Nexuiz or Open Arena will be more
your style.)
I can't tell you whether or not these games will support your method of
play (since it's not one that I generally use) but, if they're programmed
well, you shouldn't have any trouble. ^_^
> I really need to check out the games before I buy.
Fortunately, there are web sites like Amazon and Gamespot that can tell you
more about the latest games that are available.
In fact, I've found the *reader reviews* for each product to be more
helpful than the official ones.
> Dead Space was a lesson and mistake which I don't plan to repeat.
Well, if you ever decide to correct your mistake (read: uninstall Dead
Space) you may want to pay the 'Reclaim Your Game' site a visit. Because
Dead Space is protected by SecuROM, a *dangerous* method of copy
protection, you may need to do a few things before and *after* you
uninstall the game to keep your computer running smoothly and the site will
show you how to do it.
*wonders how those **5** lawsuits against EA are going*
> So any ideas for a new game? I'm an old timer and I don't want to spend
> untold hours figuring out how to play [it].
If it's an first-person shooter you're looking for, you shouldn't have too
much trouble. Most of them use the very same control scheme at the start
(although you can change it to your taste) and a lot of other games (ie Age
of Mythology, Diablo II) use controls that take only a little practice to
learn.
One thing I will say though - if you ever want to give a driving/racing or
Grand Theft Auto title a try, a gamepad with two analog sticks can be a
*big* help. (I believe that a company called 'Saitek' makes those)
Anyway, if the games I mentioned aren't what you're looking for, then I
wish you luck in your search.
Happy gaming.
Signed,
Warewolf
who will jump on the water wagon if Wishkid: the Game ever becomes a best-
seller *shudder*
Morgan
> I've been playing Id games for 15 years from the first Doom to Quake
> wars which I thought was crap. So someone at this site suggested Dead
> Space which I bought and found out I couldn't use my mouse to go
> away from EA games? After using a mouse to go forward for 15 years is
> hard to break that habit. I think in the Id games you can use your
> mouse to go forward in all their games? So I played Quake 4 for 4
> years and I haven't found a suitable replacement since the game is 4
> years old and I would like something new. I really need to check out
> the games before I buy. Dead Space was a lesson and mistake which I
> don't plan to repeat. So any ideas for a new game and this time I
> want to make sure I can use my mouse to go forward and I'm going to
> check out the game. After buying Quake wars and Dead Space I'm really
> paranoid about another game. I'm an old timer and I don't want to
> spend untold hours figuring out how to play the game.
You said in another post that you like to play games one handed. How do you
sidestep in games if you're not using the keyboard as well?
Memnoch
I seem to remember older games having a sidestep button which when pressed
meant the lateral movement of the mouse would perform sidesteps.
Morgan
>>You said in another post that you like to play games one handed. How do
>>you
>>sidestep in games if you're not using the keyboard as well?
>
> I seem to remember older games having a sidestep button which when pressed
> meant the lateral movement of the mouse would perform sidesteps.
But that wouldn't allow you to aim horizontally while sidestepping.
Memnoch
Quite correct it didn't. You had to drift across on to enemies. It was a pain
but worked surprisingly well given the limitations.