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Nathan Hamblen

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Dec 27, 1993, 12:28:42 AM12/27/93
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Does anyone play DOOM with a Gravis Game pad? I tried it today and was a
little dissapointed, it was almost imposible to navigate the passages
without clipping the walls and getting completely disoriented, I can do
much better with the mouse and keyboard. But I like my game pad, how come
I can't play with it *and* the mouse? Is there some way around that, so
that I can use the mouse to aim and manuever in close quarters, but use
the game pad's four buttons and speedy turning in other situations? Or
will I get used to the game pad eventually? That seems unlikely, since
barely tapping left or right while the strafe button is held usually
moves me too far off from the enemy to hit him.

Thanks for any insight,

Nathan

Darvell Hunt

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Dec 27, 1993, 4:42:14 PM12/27/93
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I use the Gravis Gamepad with DOOM and am _very_ pleased with
it. I don't see how it is "almost imposible to navigate the passages."
The only problem I see is that it doesn't have a fine-adjustment
movement that would allow you to better aim your weapon. The documentation
said that the use of a mouse overcomes this problem, but personally,
I found the _mouse_ to be a bit difficult.

BTW, I'm using a 386SX-25. I don't know if a faster computer would
would give difference results.

(I recommend the Gravis Gamepad with doom. You can run and strafe with
it and only need the keyboard for weapon selection and save/load.)

Darvell
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George J. Westfall

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Dec 27, 1993, 12:07:00 PM12/27/93
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I thought the Gravis was a pain also, but I tried it for a while and
have gotten used to it. The absolute best I've used so far is a three
button mouse and keyboard. It alows me to strafe (move sideways) and
continue firing at the baddies. With the gravis, I haven't figured out
how to hold down 2 buttons and do this. Also the Gravis is kinda small
for my HamSize hands. How come all the really cool toys only come in
kids sizes?
When I use the Gravis and strafe button, Ifind it best to rotate
with the pad slightly to keep the gun alligned. Hope it helps.

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Hans van Oostrom

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Dec 28, 1993, 5:32:42 AM12/28/93
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In article <2flrqa$q...@crl2.crl.com> nat...@crl.com (Nathan Hamblen) writes:

>Does anyone play DOOM with a Gravis Game pad? I tried it today and was a
>little dissapointed, it was almost imposible to navigate the passages
>without clipping the walls and getting completely disoriented, I can do
>much better with the mouse and keyboard.

I am having a real problem with my joystick *or* Game pad. It is almost not
reacting to movement. I had the same problem with an earlier version of
Wolfenstein.

I am using the game port on my SoundBlaster version 1.5. I have a feeling
that that is a problem.

Funny observation: backward movement, and movement to the right are fine, the
other two directions are very sluggish.

Any fixings in the making?

Hans van Oostrom
ha...@anest4.anest.ufl.edu

James Groat

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Dec 28, 1993, 12:16:17 PM12/28/93
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On Tue, 28 Dec 1993 10:32:42, Hans van Oostrom wrote:

>
>I am having a real problem with my joystick *or* Game pad. It is almost not
>reacting to movement. I had the same problem with an earlier version of
>Wolfenstein.
>
>I am using the game port on my SoundBlaster version 1.5. I have a feeling
>that that is a problem.
>
>Funny observation: backward movement, and movement to the right are fine, the
>other two directions are very sluggish.
>
>Any fixings in the making?

I had the same problem a couple of times. Exact same setup. I am using
doom1.1 The problem is that you didn't quite calibrate the gamepad
correctly. Just keep on trying... Make sure you are all the way in both
corners when you hit the button.
James Groat

Steven Goldstein

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Dec 28, 1993, 1:24:11 PM12/28/93
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I was occasionally having problems with my gravis game pad and doom 1.1.
I found that when calibrating the joystick, if I push the direction and
HOLD IT for several seconds before pressing a button, that the
gamepad would work every time.
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Max Tokman

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Dec 29, 1993, 1:42:46 AM12/29/93
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Just a quick question. Do you need a game card with 2 game ports in
order to use the Gravis Game Pad's 4 button setup for Doom? I can't seem to
configure Doom for 4 buttons on my SB-16 game port with the Gravis Game Pad.
Thanks in advance.

Max

Montana Smith

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Dec 29, 1993, 12:40:04 PM12/29/93
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You CAN get DOOM to run with both the mouse and a joystick, but
not through the setup program. I have done it and notice no slowdown
whatsoever (which I consider odd, I would think that bypassing the code
for reading one or the other should speed up the game some, but this is
not the case, perhaps Id simply did not take advantage of this optimization
that is possible here)
Anyhow you simply have to find setup for the mouse and then edit the
default.cfg file in the doomdata directory so that the line that reads
use_joystick=0 (or whatever it says, something like that) reads:
use_joystick=1
This is also the preffered method for setting up the mouse and
joystick buttons if you mouse has less than 3 buttons and your joystick
has less than 4. Simply set the buttons to what you want in the SETUP
program and then edit the .cfg file so that the button references
(found directly below the Use_mouse and Use_joystick lines) don't contain
the value -1 (set this to 2 for a 2-button mouse, and 2 and 3 for a 2
button joystick, or just 3 if you have a 3 button joystick like mine.)
I haven't upgraded from version .99 since it works fine with my system
and have heard complaints about the speed of 1.00+ So maybe they have
fixed the -1 bug in the setup program. (the game sees -1 as being always
activated so that if you have a -1 for strafe mode you can never turn
around in the game) But they probably haven't added the Joystick AND
Mouse feature I described above.

Enjoy,
-M.S.

Nathan Hamblen

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Dec 29, 1993, 3:17:08 PM12/29/93
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Max Tokman (mtkm...@uhura.cc.rochester.edu) wrote:
: Just a quick question. Do you need a game card with 2 game ports in
: order to use the Gravis Game Pad's 4 button setup for Doom? I can't seem to
: configure Doom for 4 buttons on my SB-16 game port with the Gravis Game Pad.
: Thanks in advance.

No, if you have two game ports it probably *won't* work. Make sure you've
got the bottom switch to the right, assuming you're right handed. Then
configure it in the setup. Yellow-strafe, red-shoot works good; you can
hold down strafe and shoot quite well. Not as good as a mouse, though. I
want both :(

Nathan

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