Missing old system values after a total system restore option 21
CENTRINO
corruption on the other disks of the array.
Consecuences: a total system restore was required. (V5R4M0)
IBM personnel used customer lic and os CDs in order to start DST instead of
the last tape generated with option 21 of system menu GO SAVE.
After exchanging some hardware parts disks etc .
They managed to restore raid protection and leved the OS intalled from
original CDs.
Consecuences, as we where in a much higher level of PTFs of the original
V5R4M0, we decided to use the bakup tape in order to load latest nmicrocode
(with latests PTFs) saved onto it.
Then, selected to install operating system, and then GO RESTORE option 21
Everything seemed to go OK, but nor system values nor net atributes were
restored as they where, the firt clue, was that after the next IPL the
system name was the serial mumber of the machine.
I understood that all this information: SYSTEM VALUES and NET ATTRIBUTES
where stored in QUSRSYS ... and so, restored from option 21
I do not understand what happened.
ż Any clue ? why they remained the original Cd values and not the restored
ones after option 21?
ż Should I restore QUSRSYS via GO LICPGM or via RSTLIB to get the original
system values and net attributes ?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Kirk Goins
there it sets a range of items to not to update/install. On the the
Install OS Screen I take the #2 option 'Change Install Options' then the
next screen I do...
Restore from the installation media:
System information. . . 1 1=Restore, 2=Do not restore
Edit descriptions . . . 1 1=Restore, 2=Do not restore
Message reply list. . . 1 1=Restore, 2=Do not restore
Job descriptions. . . . 1 1=Restore, 3=Keep customization
Subsystem descriptions. 1 1=Restore, 3=Keep customization
CENTRINO
Do you know if there is any way to restore afterwards what is missing? I
mean system values and net attributes and reply list etc?
Everything to me seems ok ... except such a "litle details" like system
values and netatrs.
I have mannually tuched system values and netatrs ... but may be I forgot
something ...
Excuse my englih ... I am from Spain.
Thanks again.
"Kirk Goins" <kgo...@aracnet.com> escribió en el mensaje
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> CENTRINO wrote:
> > We had a curious incident: after failing a disk in a raid 5, it started
> > corruption on the other disks of the array.
> >
> > Consecuences: a total system restore was required. (V5R4M0)
> >
> > IBM personnel used customer lic and os CDs in order to start DST instead
of
> > the last tape generated with option 21 of system menu GO SAVE.
> >
> > After exchanging some hardware parts disks etc .
> > They managed to restore raid protection and leved the OS intalled from
> > original CDs.
> >
> > Consecuences, as we where in a much higher level of PTFs of the original
> > V5R4M0, we decided to use the bakup tape in order to load latest
nmicrocode
> > (with latests PTFs) saved onto it.
> >
> > Then, selected to install operating system, and then GO RESTORE option
21
> >
> > Everything seemed to go OK, but nor system values nor net atributes were
> > restored as they where, the firt clue, was that after the next IPL the
> > system name was the serial mumber of the machine.
> >
> >
> > I understood that all this information: SYSTEM VALUES and NET ATTRIBUTES
> > where stored in QUSRSYS ... and so, restored from option 21
> >
> > I do not understand what happened.
> >
> > ¿ Any clue ? why they remained the original Cd values and not the
restored
> > ones after option 21?
> >
> > ¿ Should I restore QUSRSYS via GO LICPGM or via RSTLIB to get the
CRPence
> <<SNIP>>
>
> I understood that all this information: SYSTEM VALUES and NET
> ATTRIBUTES where stored in QUSRSYS ... and so, restored from
> option 21
>
> I do not understand what happened.
>
> ż Any clue ? why they remained the original Cd values and not the
> restored ones after option 21?
>
> ż Should I restore QUSRSYS via GO LICPGM or via RSTLIB to get the
> original system values and net attributes ?
The system values are not stored in QUSRSYS. I believe the network
attributes are also stored elsewhere. As I recall both are specific
objects in QSYS that are saved as part of SAVSYS. AFaIK restoring or
installing the QUSRSYS library would not assist in any way.
Normally when I would do a scratch install, I would use manual
install and set values from the console as the machine was in the IPL,
or just after the IPL I would set the system values and network
attributes [using a restored CL script, when I was more formally the sys
admin], load & apply latest [cumulative & HIPer; plus any recent
individually applied] PTFs for the LIC & OS, then pwrdwn+restart, and
only then do the RSTLIB *NONSYS. The restored LPPs as part of the
*NONSYS maintain the level of PTF they had when they were last saved, so
more PTF activity was generally unnecessary except some individual PTFs
that properly were the origin for any individual PTFs applied for LIC&OS.
Regards, Chuck
CENTRINO
All tcp values and configuration seems ok Even QSNADS directory ....
What I miss are just system values and net attributes. Which in an hour I
have menaged to restore.
I have allways thught that option 21 should have to restore the system to
its original state of configuration, the same one that was saved with option
21.
Am I missing somethning?
"CRPence" <CRP...@vnet.ibm.com> escribió en el mensaje
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> CENTRINO wrote:
> > <<SNIP>>
> >
> > I understood that all this information: SYSTEM VALUES and NET
> > ATTRIBUTES where stored in QUSRSYS ... and so, restored from
> > option 21
> >
> > I do not understand what happened.
> >
> > ¿ Any clue ? why they remained the original Cd values and not the
> > restored ones after option 21?
> >
> > ¿ Should I restore QUSRSYS via GO LICPGM or via RSTLIB to get the
CRPence
>
> All tcp values and configuration seems ok Even QSNADS directory ....
>
> What I miss are just system values and net attributes. Which in an hour I
>
> I have always thought that option 21 should have to restore the system to
> its original state of configuration, the same one that was saved with option
> 21.
>
As I understand it, it is the _install of the operating system_ that
would enable restoring those attributes; i.e. they are not restored via
option-21, because that is restore activity *after* the OS install.
That result would correlate with my comment that those attributes are
saved with the SAVSYS, from QSYS, not saved with the SAVLIB *NONSYS
[which saves QUSRSYS]. The following link suggests that "If you need to
_recover your entire system_, you automatically restore your system
values when you restore the operating system. You can also save your
system information using the Save System Information (SAVSYSINF) command."
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/systems/topic/rzakz/rzakzsavesysvals.htm
IMO the word "recover" there seems possibly to imply a scratch install.
Since the system was installed from IBM [distribution] media, there
was no customized system information [on those CDs] to be restored
during that first install; what was restored, were the /defaults/.
Reference:
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/systems/topic/rzarm/rzarmrcpf.htm
"Attention: Use the distribution media only if you do not have SAVSYS
media. If you use the distribution media to restore the operating
system, the version you restore will not have any of the PTFs that you
have applied. In addition, the restore sets the following default values
that ship with the i5/OS licensed program:
* System information
* Network attributes
* Configuration lists
* Edit descriptions
* Reply list entries
* IBM-supplied subsystem descriptions
* Passwords for IBM-supplied profiles
"
The install screen that Kirk included in his post, appears to be what
is desired to effect restore of that information during the install of
the operating system [from SAVSYS media]. Surely that panel is
presented during a manual scratch install, but I am not clear from his
post, if\when that panel would be presented in other cases. Since a
second install was done from the SAVE-21, a slip install over the prior
installation from the IBM distribution media, perhaps that panel was
overlooked, or perhaps the panel was not even presented because it only
appears during a manual install, or perhaps the panel only appears on a
[manual] scratch install. What Kirk wrote seems to imply you must at
least specify "Yes" to "Define or Change system at IPL":
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/systems/topic/rzarm/rzarmrcpfs.htm
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/systems/topci/rzarm/rzarmipldc.htm
QSNADS configuration, TCP/IP configuration, and directory information
*are* part of QUSRSYS.
I believe the panel Kirk mentioned enables the restore of the network
attributes and [most] system values, as part of "system information". I
believe that is the same as the SAVSYSINF and RSTSYSINF as documented here:
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/systems/topic/rzarm/rzarmrst.htm
Regards, Chuck
CENTRINO
I am working remotely on the system in order to put things in place, so I
cannot try RSTSYSINF from tape since there is no one on saturday who could
insert the GO SAVE opt 21 tape, but I am afraid, that I would not be able to
restore system info from such a tape. That's becouse in RSTSYSINF help,
states that it would restore from a SAVSYSINF tape. Then I took the option
of manually change System Values and Net attributes, what I guess that I
would probbably miss is the reply list ...
Any way I´ll try to restore it from opt 21 tape with RSTSYSINF
In case it would not be possible, I would recommend IBM to include
SAVSYSINF in the GO SAVE opt 21 if it is not possible to RSTSYSINF from a
tape containing a SAVSYS.
Some more information in:
http://www-304.ibm.com/systems/support/i/library/techoverviews/v5r4/pdf/v5r4i5ossaverestore.pdf
Thanks again for your help.
"CRPence" <CRP...@vnet.ibm.com> escribió en el mensaje
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CRPence
using the save-21 tapes. That instead, the restore of the system
information would be accomplished only with a [manual] install from
those tapes; i.e. by specifying the choice of 1=Restore in response to
"System information. . . 1 1=Restore, 2=Do not restore", at the panel
presented during that install. As alluded earlier, I am not clear on
exactly what ensures that panel would be presented during the install.
As Kirk suggests, it is from having asked to 2='Change Install Options'
from the "Install the Operating System" panel:
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/iseries/v5r4/topic/rzahc/boss.htm
; this I am confident requires a _manual install_:
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/iseries/v5r4/topic/rzahc/rzahcswinstallprocess.htm
RSTCFG can be restored from save-21, from the SAVSYS portion, not
only from a SAVCFG.
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/iseries/v5r4/topic/cl/rstcfg.htm
However RSTSYSINF makes no similar statement; stating only that it
will restore objects "saved by the Save System Information (SAVSYSINF)
command":
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/iseries/v5r4/topic/cl/rstsysinf.htm
For recommendations on design change, those must be submitted as a
requirement, either via COMMON or IBM, for example. Otherwise the
option exists, to customize the save-21 activity. Both of those are
options are mentioned here:
http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l/200807/msg01080.html
Regards, Chuck
CENTRINO wrote:
>
> I am working remotely on the system in order to put things in place,
> so I cannot try RSTSYSINF from tape since there is no one on saturday
> who could insert the GO SAVE opt 21 tape, but I am afraid, that I
> would not be able to restore system info from such a tape. That's
> becouse in RSTSYSINF help, states that it would restore from a
> SAVSYSINF tape. Then I took the option of manually change System
> Values and Net attributes, what I guess that I would probably miss is
> the reply list ...
>
> Any way I´ll try to restore it from opt 21 tape with RSTSYSINF
>
> In case it would not be possible, I would recommend IBM to include
> SAVSYSINF in the GO SAVE opt 21 if it is not possible to RSTSYSINF
> from a tape containing a SAVSYS.
>
> Some more information in:
http://www-304.ibm.com/systems/support/i/library/techoverviews/v5r4/pdf/v5r4i5ossaverestore.pdf
>
> Thanks again for your help.
>
> "CRPence" <CRP...@vnet.ibm.com> escribió: