End of HP Calculators
Kevin
does not seem to care about the calculator division and is letting it die a
slow death.
Here is the latest. I called in for a set of rubber feet today and the
service center in Corvallis Oregon is apparently being shut down. HP will
no longer be giving out small parts after the end of the month. So if you
need any battery doors or rubber feet (or nameplates, or port covers or
side grips for HP 49G, or hard covers (for HP 49G) or a F1897A PC Cable)
you will need to call or e-mail them before Monday.
There is a limit of 2 'small parts' per order.
J. Yuan
Will I be able to send in my calculator for replacement still?
"Kevin" <ko...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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JM
Don't get me wrong, I'm sorry to see HP gone.
All I want to point out, I that I told you guys so couple of month ago. This
is the end of the line.
And I also predict, that HP will not release HP49 ROM into public domain or
will do it
so many years from now, that HP49 will be completely dead.
On the other hand, TI guys, don't count for much upgrades from TI too
anymore. They don't
have the incentive now.
Jack
Kevin Collins
> Will I be able to send in my calculator for replacement still?
To the best of my knowledge there will be calculator support (such as it
is).
You will need to call calculator technical support to get a return
authorization and the details on the cost of sending your calculator in for
replacement.
J. Yuan
"Kevin Collins" <ko...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Neill McKay
> How much does it cost to send in the Hp for replacement anyways?
That would depend quite a bit on where you were sending it from.
Neill McKay
J.C. Randerson
sent me a complete piece of junk HP49 as a replacement unit recently.
HP calculators, especially the 49, which I really liked, are dead.
Just last week I started using a TI89 again. This is really sad, I
never thought all this would never happen.
You can lay the blame squarely on Carly Fiorina's shoulders. Her
obsession with the Compaq merger meant killing off any little part of
HP she could to pay for it. Never let a nontechnical person run a
technical company - especially a nontechnical woman! I've never met a
woman yet who really understood machinery or other technical stuff
like a man.
J.C. Randerson
Pueblo, Colorado
"JM" <mar...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<naoy8.206412$%l3.16...@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...
Helen
> You can lay the blame squarely on Carly Fiorina's shoulders.
This is just plain silly. She was not even around when HPs bad
decisions in the calculator business were made. And as far as ACO is
concerned, dismantling them was a rational decision, see my other
post. There is no sane company on this planet that would have kept a
division with that kind of a track record.
> Never let a nontechnical person run a
> technical company - especially a nontechnical woman!
I would note that you clearly have no understanding at all of what
caused the final demise of HP's calculator business. One of the main
reasons it failed so spectacularly was precisely that there seemed to
have been no non-technical competence with sufficient influence to
remind the technicians that it is not enough for a commercial product
to be cool (while dreaming of StarTrek devices). There has to be a
market for it, in which it can sell in sufficient numbers. It's that
simple.
> I've never met a woman yet who really understood machinery or
> other technical stuff like a man.
You have not met many women then, I take it.
Cyrille de Brébisson
> > You can lay the blame squarely on Carly Fiorina's shoulders.
> This is just plain silly.
I somehow agree. I personnaly think that the ACO was killed because we ended
up having 7 different bosses in 4 years. To make things worst, the managers
in carly's team, are, like her, strong willed directing types instead of
being leaders. No 1.5 years long R&D project can wistand having 2 or 3
different heavely directing peoples managing them. and Carly is solly
responsible for the choice of her reports and the type of peoples that she
choose. Personnaly, I like leaders, not 'directors'. but this is a personal
view.
> > Never let a nontechnical person run a
> > technical company - especially a nontechnical woman!
> I would note that you clearly have no understanding at all of what
> caused the final demise of HP's calculator business. One of the main
> reasons it failed so spectacularly was precisely that there seemed to
> have been no non-technical competence with sufficient influence to
> remind the technicians that it is not enough for a commercial product
> to be cool (while dreaming of StarTrek devices). There has to be a
> market for it, in which it can sell in sufficient numbers. It's that
> simple.
Well, the only products we actually did finish were the ones that were
develop without non-technical peoples looking at. The reason being that
non-technical peoples (marketing, managers and the like) do live in an
everchanging word and only have short term vision (3 to 6 months). And thus
will change the any reasonably sized project's requierements 4 or 5 times
during it's life time, thus killing it or denaturing it at such a point that
it becomes a dog. I agree that this things should be looked at by non
techies, but in today's market, it is simpely unworkable. In the group where
I am now, we are working with 2-5 year time frames, and marketing peoples,
just don't want to join us, they simply have no training, nor will to see
that far in the future. We, poor litte tech are teherfore left to develop
products without any marketing input, which is as bad as what was done in
the ACO.
> > I've never met a woman yet who really understood machinery or
> > other technical stuff like a man.
> You have not met many women then, I take it.
:-)
regards, cyrille
J.C. Randerson
me rebuild engines, put up hay, weld, shoe horses, drag calves to the
branding fire...she was the biggest tomboy I ever knew, yet even she
really didn't understand machinery. Where do you or someone you know
stand in comparison?
J.C. Randerson
Pueblo, Colorado
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>
Maxwell
> > technical company - especially a nontechnical woman!
>
> I would note that you clearly have no understanding at all of what
> caused the final demise of HP's calculator business.
Oh, I'm sure "helen" really has a clue. (just wait...)
> One of the main
> reasons it failed so spectacularly was precisely that there seemed to
> have been no non-technical competence with sufficient influence to
> remind the technicians that it is not enough for a commercial product
> to be cool (while dreaming of StarTrek devices).
StarTrek devices ? ha ha ha. what's that? At least we know "helen" is an old "lady".
> There has to be a
> market for it, in which it can sell in sufficient numbers. It's that
> simple.
.....and, is that your reason? Come on !!!!!
> > I've never met a woman yet who really understood machinery or
> > other technical stuff like a man.
>
> You have not met many women then, I take it.
I have met many women.......and.......mmmmm..... :-)
Jean-Yves Avenard
"Helen" <GHMoh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> This is just plain silly. She was not even around when HPs bad
> decisions in the calculator business were made. And as far as ACO is
> concerned, dismantling them was a rational decision, see my other
> post. There is no sane company on this planet that would have kept a
> division with that kind of a track record.
And what kind of record ?
You seem to forget the fact that ACO was profitable.
Even if I don't really care if it was closed or not.
Jean-Yves
Helen
> Well, the only products we actually did finish were the ones that were
> develop without non-technical peoples looking at. The reason being that
> non-technical peoples (marketing, managers and the like) do live in an
> everchanging word and only have short term vision (3 to 6 months). And thus
> will change the any reasonably sized project's requierements 4 or 5 times
> during it's life time, thus killing it or denaturing it at such a point that
> it becomes a dog. I agree that this things should be looked at by non
> techies, but in today's market, it is simpely unworkable. In the group where
> I am now, we are working with 2-5 year time frames, and marketing peoples,
> just don't want to join us, they simply have no training, nor will to see
> that far in the future. We, poor litte tech are teherfore left to develop
> products without any marketing input, which is as bad as what was done in
> the ACO.
You know, this sounds a little bit like you have the choice of
developing a product that fails because there is no input from
non-technical folk, or developing one that fails because there was too
much meddling from non-techies. While that is of course an
exaggeration, it serves to illustrate a fundamental difficulty very
nicely: Ultimately, you need people who understand both worlds, and
those are extremely rare. Without them, however, it is very hard to
develop products that are really successful.
P.S.: I take it you understand that I am not blaming ACO's failure on
you or your co-workers. Developing successful products takes a team of
people with different backgrounds, working together in a fruitful
manner. Obviously, that did not happen at ACO, but the reason it did
not happen cannot simply be pinned on one side or the other. And, by
the way, that is one of the areas where the art and science of
management becomes so vitally important, the general disregard of
technicians towards "the management" notwithstanding...
Helen
I know many very competent female engineers. One of my female
colleagues in engineering teaches courses like machine design at an
Ivy-League school. If you take a look outside your cave, you will find
many more examples of that sort.
Helen
> And what kind of record ?
Of developing products that fail in the market place. Of not gaining
nor even holding on to market share in their target market(s).
Arnold FRANCK
be made?
Best regards,
Arnold
On 30-04-2002 17:58, in article
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J.C. Randerson
student. I've seen many very bright women math and physics students
and instructors. But I have yet to see one woman engineering student
or instructor that really had a natural instinct, that special love of
machinery, of gadgets, that truly defines an engineer. By the way, I
don't think you're a girl at all, I think you're some troll doing this
for some strange whatever reason. I think I'm gonna ignore you from,
right now.
J.C. Randerson
Pueblo, Colorado
GHMoh...@yahoo.com (Helen) wrote in message news:<1a8f5fe5.02043...@posting.google.com>...
Neill McKay
> My cave is bigger than you might think. I'm currently an engineering
> student. I've seen many very bright women math and physics students and
> instructors. But I have yet to see one woman engineering student or
> instructor that really had a natural instinct, that special love of
> machinery, of gadgets, that truly defines an engineer.
Your definition of an engineer is a bit narrow.
Neill McKay
Frank Travis
hard to find ones such as HP 32SII and HP 10B) and technical
assistance is Calcpro website www.calcpro.com. I have bought from
them several times and have had good dealings with its manager, Paul
Nelson.
G Savage
"Cyrille de Brébisson" <cyrille_de...@hp.com> wrote in message
[snip]
>Carly is solly
> responsible for the choice of her reports and the type of peoples that she
> choose. Personnaly, I like leaders, not 'directors'. but this is a
personal
> view.
I think you are right and I very much share this view... I compare it this
way: It's like saying the mentality of "management and profit" versus
"leadership and prosperity", or "quarterly profits" versus "long-term market
standing". I also feel that even if you are a private organization, you
still provide a public good (and/or service); and by virtue of this fact,
you have a certain degree of accountability to the public and your
clientele. All business decisions have to consider this responsibility but
the prevailing business culture of revenue and profit doesn't do this. We,
the clients of HP, have all been screwed by the new "leadership" of HP and
my long-time support for that company is "going down the tubes". My next
printer will be an Epson and I just got Dell.
I work for a large, international, engineering consulting firm that just
went a huge merger, and I am looking to get the hell out because of the same
type of dominant business culture is undermining true professionalism.
There are too many Carly's running around -- need I say more?
Gregory Warsewicz-Savage (aka G Savage)
R Lion
market"
(But the worst: the above is not only for calculators... there are guys
paying $$$$$$$ for "star holydays" when millons of people live in war...)
Raul
Sorry if not appropiate. This is not my best day
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Dave
only has some HP49s in stock. They used to carry the whole 48 line as well.
I'll bet in a little over a year, after all warranty coverage has expired,
they'll dump off all inventories. I remember picking up a like new 48SX in
such a sale in '94 through Educalc.
G Savage
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[snip]
>I remember picking up a like new 48SX in
> such a sale in '94 through Educalc.
Oooooh! Don't remind me. I lament the loss of Educalc and to to hear of it
pains me. Those were the golden years of the HP community.
G Savage
Nick Karagiaouroglou
If those golden years are over, let's make our own golden years.
(There is still Rcobo and Steen around ;-) )
Greetings,
Nick.
Don
liability, would have to dump anything not rally profitable to bail
her whims out. Most of wall street is betting against her as are
the H.P. families. They seem to think it is better to do what you
are good at rather than buy competition because you can't beat
them.
Don
G Savage
"Nick Karagiaouroglou" <n...@imos-consulting.com> wrote in message
> > [snip]
> If those golden years are over, let's make our own golden years.
> (There is still Rcobo and Steen around ;-) )
>
> Greetings,
> Nick.
Nick, I like your optimism. Let's learn the lessons of this fiasco and move
on to a new and brighter future... how can we support it?
Greg
Nick Karagiaouroglou
Hi Greg!
Perhaps we should support the efforts the ingenious people out there,
Steen and Rcobo and the professor and JYA? And buy their products, if
they ever ship some calculators?
Greetings,
Nick.
Kevin SImmons
I have tried to purchase from them recently and have not had any luck.
The web site is operational but when I send inquiries to their posted
email they get bounced. Others have told me they only get VM when
calling them and no response. No response to email, fax, or telephone
calls. It sounds like they are not operational.
-Kevin