CAS-Enabling Aplet for the HP39G
Jordi Hidalgo
and HP40G plus IR. It's postcardware. To receive a copy just send a
nice postcard to:
Jordi Hidalgo
Avda Jaume Recoder, 80, 1-4
08302 Mataró
Barcelona, Spain.
Don't forget to include your name and email.
Best Wishes.
Jordi Hidalgo
HPCC member #1046 ( http://www.hpcc.org )
jo...@tv3mail.com
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Jordi Hidalgo
> and HP39G into and HP40G plus IR.
... an that's and excellent sample of my English :-(
Bye.
Jordi Hidalgo
HPCC member #1046 ( http://www.hpcc.org )
jo...@tv3mail.com
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Jonathan Busby
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>I've just written:
>
>> and HP39G into and HP40G plus IR.
>
>... an that's and excellent sample of my English :-(
>
>Bye.
>
>Jordi Hidalgo
>HPCC member #1046 ( http://www.hpcc.org )
>jo...@tv3mail.com
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I must be really bad off since I make the same types of mistakes and
English is my only language! %-)
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Can't wait to try this aplet on my 39g.
Paul Estepan
Roger D Metcalf DDS
"Jordi Hidalgo" <jo...@tv3mail.com> wrote in message
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> The CAS enabler is finished. It effectively converts and HP39G into
> and HP40G plus IR.
>
didn't work!!!! so I'm glad you figured out how to make it work!
Thanks,
Roger Metcalf
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
Jean-Yves said it can't be done.
I have an early HP prototype with keyboard switchable
HP 39/40 and I claim you could do it.
Jordi Hidalgo has both the talent and the persistence
to pursuit to the goal. I raise my hat for a salute!
Thank you Jordi !
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"Roger D Metcalf DDS" <metca...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Jordi Hidalgo
Thanks so much for your kind words, Veli-Pekka. Certainly, it has not been
easy, but it's not that hard to do, especially with tools and documents from
many talented people such as Jean-Yves Avenard, Detlef Mueller, Juergen N.E.
Bos and Tim Wessman.
I've decided not to distribute this aplet for now. All those who have sent me
a postcard will receive a copy for private use and the source code, but later.
I apologise for this.
Best Wishes,
Jordi Hidalgo
jo...@tv3mail.com
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Jordi Hidalgo
Hi everyone,
Thanks so much for your kind words, Veli-Pekka. Certainly, it has not been
easy, but it's not that hard to do, especially with tools and documents from
many talented people such as Jean-Yves Avenard, Detlef Mueller, Jurjen N.E.
Bhuvanesh
> I've decided not to distribute this aplet for now.
After all the effort you put in, you won't distribute it? Why? Did HP
send its lawyers after you?
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Bhuvanesh
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
think about it?
This could seriously hurt HP sales and
thus any further development of calculators.
Since he already did the impossible
is there anything else to do?
The current state of HP calculators is bad enough, right?
Even a TI lover likes a good competition !!!
:-D
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"Bhuvanesh" <lalu_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Al Borowski
If HP lawyers got involved, what law would you be violating by
realeseing the CAS applet?
Pity you arn't in australia. Provided the applet didn't contain
copywrited code (only entry points etc.), You could realse the applet
and there's not a damn thing HP could do about it... IANAL but reverse
engineering is perfectly legal.
btw, if HP did get involved, please email me privately and tell me
what's happening - I'd appreciate it. A hp40g with IR would rule!
Al
jo...@tv3mail.com (Jordi Hidalgo) wrote in message news:<7fcf10a1.02102...@posting.google.com>...
parisse
> Without any HP lawyers knocking on someone's door
> think about it?
> This could seriously hurt HP sales and
> thus any further development of calculators.
>
> Since he already did the impossible
> is there anything else to do?
>
I don't believe that enabling the CAS on the 39 would
hurt any sales. It is most probably too late to forbid a previously
allowed calc in an exam this year, you can just forbid using the
CAS applet on it and that's exactly what I would like to see
(don't forbid the calc, forbid CAS applet if you don't want it).
In fact I believe that publishing the CAS applet
would increase the 39 sales, because it would have a real
advantage against the 83 competitor.
In case there is some legal problems with publishing the CAS applet, I
don't think it is the HP legal departement that could forbid this,
at least outside the US (in the US they could invoke the DMCA).
The CAS is copyrighted by me, Mika Heiskanen and Claude-Nicolas
Fiechter. I can't speak for them, but for my part of the CAS
I would of course allow the publication of the 39 CAS applet
(since this part will be available under the LGPL next year!).
Maybe the applet author could contact them and ask them if they
would agree too?
Gene Wright
something like this openly.
If you must keep it private, does your sentence below indicate that those of
us who have sent the postcard will get a copy sometime in the future, later
than we might have thought?
Help me out! Surely this is "NOMAS" type of information....
?
Gene
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"Jordi Hidalgo" <jo...@tv3mail.com> wrote in message
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Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
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> Hi,
>
> If HP lawyers got involved, what law would you be violating by
> realeseing the CAS applet?
Even so, it's not a nice thing to do.
Jordi Hidalgo is quite a nice man.
Perhaps he wanted to be nice towards HP.
(which may not deserve that)
AND
what if HP really sues poor Jordi ?
EVEN if he wins this would certainly empty his pockets
and hamper his life and work and
maybe even drive all pretty chicks away ????
Would you Al, like to take the blame instead?
Certainly not me,
so I suggest not releasing it until the LGPL license opens up
all the possibilities next year.
But - It's not up to me, instead of Jordi
I just give my "educated" opinion here.
I try to be nice to everyone
(no success with Jack the USA anti-basher/Iraq civilian bombing)
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
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> Veli-Pekka Nousiainen wrote:
X
> In case there is some legal problems with publishing the CAS applet, I
> don't think it is the HP legal departement that could forbid this,
> at least outside the US (in the US they could invoke the DMCA).
> The CAS is copyrighted by me, Mika Heiskanen and Claude-Nicolas
> Fiechter. I can't speak for them, but for my part of the CAS
> I would of course allow the publication of the 39 CAS applet
> (since this part will be available under the LGPL next year!).
> Maybe the applet author could contact them and ask them if they
> would agree too?
>
maybe Heiskanen and Fiechter will follow...
The 2003 LGPL will solve all legal problems.
I think it's not a nice thing towards HP company
to release software that will change they marketing plans.
If HP sues Jordi anyway, will you then just say
"Sorry, I was wrong?"
What about poor Jordi?!
I'm just asking - the Aplet is a great achievement
and actually proves my point when I said that it could be done
(the CAS enabling) and Jean-Yves said it cannot be done.
The software is here! Jordi did it !!
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
this document was created using fresh positrons
and will self-annihilate in 10ns
Gene Wright
really think people are buying the HP-39G anyway? The TI-83+ tends to rule
in the High Schools and the TI-89 or TI-92 rules elsewhere.
Which HP calculator will this hurt? The 49G? Wouldn't think so, since HP
seems ready to trash it anyway. The 40G? Perhaps, but since that's not even
available in the US, it surely won't hurt it here. :-)
Even the 39G seems to be discounted like crazy, witness the $25 each price
tag from a couple of days ago.
<rant on>I'd be highly surprised if HP lawyers even knew they made
calculators. HP management doesn't seem to be aware, so why would their
lawyers? </rant off>
Gene
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"Veli-Pekka Nousiainen" <DROP...@welho.com> wrote in message
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Parisse Bernard
> maybe Heiskanen and Fiechter will follow...
> The 2003 LGPL will solve all legal problems.
>
> I think it's not a nice thing towards HP company
> to release software that will change they marketing plans.
> If HP sues Jordi anyway, will you then just say
> "Sorry, I was wrong?"
> What about poor Jordi?!
>
Assuming Mika and Claude-Nicolas would have the same
reaction as I (which seems probable since there is no
real difference in allowing this applet and offering
ALG48 free of charge on the 48), I can't see any legal
reason how HP could sue Jordi outside
of the US (since in the US you have this nice:-( piece
of law called the DMCA which gives manufacturer the
right to control their hardware). Then of course I'm not
a lawyer and I can understand he does not want to release the
applet fearing HP reaction (BTW, look how sad it is to
fear HP reaction about something that would certainly
increase the value of their calcultor!!!)
So maybe, people interested in getting the applet
should contact Mika, Claude-Nicolas
and the HP calculator dept and ask them if they are against
the publication of this applet.
R Lion
"Jordi Hidalgo" <jo...@tv3mail.com> escribió en el mensaje
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> a postcard will receive a copy for private use and the source code, but
later.
Please Jordy, why?
Raul
Jordi Hidalgo
> I don't believe that enabling the CAS on the 39 would hurt any sales.
And later:
> In fact I believe that publishing the CAS applet would increase the 39 sales,
> because it would have a real advantage against the 83 competitor.
I fully agree with that. No HP lawyers after me (AFAIK!). It's just that HP
(and other people) have asked me not to distribute it. As they were polite
enough, I acceded.
> The CAS is copyrighted by me, Mika Heiskanen and Claude-Nicolas Fiechter.
As each user of my aplet would have noticed.
Best Wishes,
Bhuvanesh
> I try to be nice to everyone
> (no success with Jack the USA anti-basher/Iraq civilian bombing)
Let's not bring that up in this thread too... :-)
Oh, and IMHO there's no need to be nice to HP. I'm sure at least Steen
will agree with me.
Hyvästi,
Bhuvanesh.
Steen Schmidt
*I* would. If Mika and Claude-Nicolas gives their blessings, I'd be happy to
distribute the application. Just say the word, Jordi, and I'll contact Mika
and C-N.
As Bhuvanesh points out, I have no intention of doing HP any favors -
lawyers or not.
Regards
Steen
Al Borowski
"Veli-Pekka Nousiainen" <DROP...@welho.com> wrote in message news:<DWRt9.234$173....@reader1.news.jippii.net>...
> "Al Borowski" <a.bor...@student.qut.edu.au> wrote in message
> news:27bf520c.02102...@posting.google.com...
> > Hi,
> >
> > If HP lawyers got involved, what law would you be violating by
> > realeseing the CAS applet?
>
> Even so, it's not a nice thing to do.
> Jordi Hidalgo is quite a nice man.
> Perhaps he wanted to be nice towards HP.
> (which may not deserve that)
> AND
> what if HP really sues poor Jordi ?
> EVEN if he wins this would certainly empty his pockets
> and hamper his life and work and
> maybe even drive all pretty chicks away ????
Sorry if I appeared rude. To me it sounded like Jordi wanted to
release the applet (judging by his first posting) but HP then decided
they didn't like that so they bought the lawyers on. I'm certainly not
advocating getting into a lawsuit. I know how much those things cost.
I just think it's sad that a cool program is suppressed by HP.
>
> Would you Al, like to take the blame instead?
As I was saying, If I wrote the applet, I'd anonymusly (spelling?) FTP
it to several sites, including www.hpcalc.org - Provided it did not
contain copywrited code.
> Certainly not me,
> so I suggest not releasing it until the LGPL license opens up
> all the possibilities next year.
Is the CAS system GPL'ed? Cool! I didn't know that. So does that mean
next year all the HP gods are free to make 3rd pary ROM's, etc?
> But - It's not up to me, instead of Jordi
> I just give my "educated" opinion here.
>
> I try to be nice to everyone
> (no success with Jack the USA anti-basher/Iraq civilian bombing)
Same here - I try and avoid flame wars.
>
> Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
Cheers,
Al
John H Meyers
it is well known who developed the application;
therefore, if HP could make any case for this
application being harmful to it, in any manner
that makes any sense in a court, then the original author
could not anonymously disappear from HP's sights.
You might be right about the true lack of damage
(or even benefit) to HP from the use of such a program,
but that is only an opinion; if you defeat a manufacturer's
internal protection scheme and then distribute the know-how,
the manufacturer's assumption of harm to itself is probably
more usually presumed to be true, even though this is also
only an opinion.
Guessing whether HP's "request" is only a first-level action,
or will be followed up further if ignored, is also an opinion,
but you're free to test it as far as you want to go (or quietly
check with an insider if that might reduce the guesswork,
or if it might accumulate some internal support which might
be useful in the cause of getting the outcome that you want).
I just encountered a vaguely similar thing, when I could not
install a Service Pack onto an NT workstation which needs
the SP applied before we can install a Backup Exec agent.
The SP refuses to even start installing; it says that the installer
can not determine whether this computer is a workstation
or a server, and that's the "final judgment" from Microsoft;
it isn't going to install the service pack, period.
One or two other people seemed to have had this happen to them;
a helpful person pointed out an article
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=OdiwbaERCHA.212%40tkmsftngp11
which revealed that, like various other products which are actually
really the same except for internal "authorizations,"
the NT "workstation" and "server" operating systems are the same,
and whatever is causing the service pack to refuse to install
might be fixed by applying a program that has been published
on this site: http://www.03am.com/download.shtml
Uh-oh, the program has meanwhile been
"REMOVED DUE TO LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS.
Please do not email us requesting the file,
your messages will not be answered."
This company is based in Hungary, it says,
but evidently it's not immune to MS from there.
More information on workstation vs. server is also posted here:
http://www.03am.com/ntswitch.shtml
http://www.lehigh.edu/~rjm2/ntwntw.html
The information didn't help us, however, because one of the
registry keys can't even be *read*, even by an administrator
(maybe that's the very thing that is blocking the SP installer);
regedt32 also won't even *display* the key's permissions,
let alone allow the permissions to be changed, so we're stuck.
I wouldn't be surprised of one of MS's many involuntary updates
(an Explorer update, perhaps) did something to this system that
not only blocked this horrible potential hack, but also managed
to block applying service packs, thus further preventing us
from copying any proprietary MS code onto our backups,
as no doubt we would if we had managed to install Backup Exec.
Thus we are manifestly PO'd at MS; if we were terrorists,
we'd undoubtedly be planting explosives around Redmond by now
(after warning the employees, of course, so that no other serious
harm would come to them than the loss of their livelihoods
and the economic devastation of their community).
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Camille
> > Would you Al, like to take the blame instead?
>
> As I was saying, If I wrote the applet, I'd anonymusly (spelling?) FTP
> it to several sites, including www.hpcalc.org - Provided it did not
> contain copywrited code.
Strange behaviour,
the anonymously sending of your progs. That's too easy... you should
accept to be RESPONSABLE of your acts.
Camille
Bhuvanesh
> Strange behaviour,
> the anonymously sending of your progs. That's too easy... you should
> accept to be RESPONSABLE of your acts.
If the software is unsupported (and documented as such), I don't see
anything wrong with publishing it anonymously, although I have never
needed to such a thing.
--
Bhuvanesh
Al Borowski
> Strange behaviour,
> the anonymously sending of your progs. That's too easy... you should
> accept to be RESPONSABLE of your acts.
>
I'm just saying what I'd do if I was Jordi. The problem is he is under
the threat of the DMCA. While he may be morally in the right, a
lawsuit will cost alot of time and money - I wouldn't want to be a
maytr.
If I, personally, developed the applet, I'd take responsibility for it
- but only because 1. I'm in australia where it would be legal
(provided that it didn't contain copywrited code) and 2. I have free
legal help through my university's student guild.
My point was that by anonymously sending the programs, at least they'd
be availble to the public. If I put my name to the applet and
announced it to the world, then I could be in for alot of trouble.
Chances are the applet would be surpressed. What use would that be?
I'm looking foward to 2003 when the CAS code becomes availble.
Cheers,