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signatures to try and avoid this tragic situation.
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Even if you should
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Los Estados Unidos estan a punto de dictar la guerra. Hoy nos encontramos en
un punto de desequilibrio mundial por lo que puede dar inicio a una Tercera
Guerra Mundial. Si tu estas en contra, la ONU se encuentra recopilando
firmas para evitar este tragico acontecimiento mundial. Por favor COPIA este
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favor se considerado/a y no elimines la peticion.
SOLO REENVIALA PARA JUNTOS HACER ALGO
Die Vereinigten Staaten sind gerade dabei einen Krieg zu diktieren. Wir
befinden uns heutzutage in einem weltweiten
Ungleichgewicht, was zu einem Dritten Weltkrieg fuehren kann. Wenn Du Dich
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diese e-mail
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unterzeichne sie am Endeder Liste, die unten angehaengt ist und schicke sie
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erhaeltst, dann schicke bitte eine Kopie davon an: United Nation
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unterzeichnen,
dann schicke die Petition bitte trotzdem weiter.
1) Suzanne Dathe, Grenoble, France
2) Laurence COMPARAT, Grenoble,France
3) Philippe MOTTE, Grenoble, France
4) Jok FERRAND, Mont St Martin, France
5) Emmanuelle PIGNOL, St Martin d'Heres,FRANCE
6) Marie GAUTHIER, Grenoble, FRANCE
7) Laurent VESCALO, Grenoble, FRANCE
8) Mathieu MOY, St Egreve, FRANCE
9) Bernard BLANCHET, Mont St Martin,FRANCE
10) Tassadite FAVRIE, Grenoble, FRANCE
11) Loic GODARD, St Ismier, FRANCE
12) Benedicte PASCAL, Grenoble, FRANCE
13) Khedaidja BENATIA, Grenoble, FRANCE
14) Marie-Therese LLORET, Grenoble,FRANCE>
15) Benoit THEAU, Poitiers, FRANCE
16) Bruno CONSTANTIN, Poitiers, FRANCE
17) Christian COGNARD, Poitiers, FRANCE
18) Robert GARDETTE, Paris, FRANCE
19) Claude CHEVILLARD, Montpellier,FRANCE
20) Gilles FREISS, Montpellier, FRANCE
21) Patrick AUGEREAU, Montpellier,FRANCE
22) Jean IMBERT, Marseille, FRANCE
23) Jean-Claude MURAT, Toulouse, France
24) Anna BASSOLS, Barcelona, Catalonia
25) Mireia DUNACH, Barcelona, Catalonia
26) Michel VILLAZ, Grenoble, France
27) Pages Frederique, Dijon, France
28) Rodolphe FISCHMEISTER, Chatenay-Malabry, France
29) Francois BOUTEAU, Paris, France
30) Patrick PETER, Paris, France
31) Lorenza RADICI, Paris, France
32) Monika Siegenthaler, Bern,Switzerland
33) Mark Philp, Glasgow, Scotland
34) Tomas Andersson, Stockholm, Sweden
35) Jonas Eriksson, Stockholm, Sweden
36) Karin Eriksson, Stockholm, Sweden
37) Ake Ljung, Stockholm, Sweden
38) Carina Sedlmayer, Stockholm, Sweden
39) Rebecca Uddman, Stockholm, Sweden
40) Lena Skog, Stockholm, Sweden
41) Micael Folke, Stockholm, Sweden
42) Britt-Marie Folke, Stockholm, Sweden
43) Birgitta Schuberth, Stockholm, Sweden
44) Lena Dahl, Stockholm, Sweden
45) Ebba Karlsson, Stockholm, Sweden
46) Jessica Carlsson, Vaxjo, Sweden
47) Sara Blomquist, Vaxjo, Sweden
48) Magdalena Fosseus, Vaxjo, Sweden
49) Charlotta Langner, Goteborg, Sweden
50) Andrea Egedal, Goteborg, Sweden
51) Lena Persson, Stockholm, Sweden
52) Magnus Linder, Umea ,Sweden
53) Petra Olofsson, Umea, Sweden
54) Caroline Evenbom, Vaxjo, Sweden
55) Asa Pettersson, Grimsas, Sweden
56) Jessica Bjork, Grimsas, Sweden
57) Linda Ahlbom Goteborg, Sweden
58) Jenny Forsman, Boras, Sweden
59) Nina Gunnarson, Kinna, Sweden
60) Andrew Harrison, New Zealand
61) Bryre Murphy, New Zealand
62) Claire Lugton, New Zealand
63) Sarah Thornton, New Zealand
64) Rachel Eade, New Zealand
65) Magnus Hjert, London, UK
67) Madeleine Stamvik, Hurley, UK
68) Susanne Nowlan, Vermont, USA
69) Lotta Svenby, Malmoe, Sweden
70) Adina Giselsson, Malmoe, Sweden
71) Anders Kullman, Stockholm, Sweden
72) Rebecka Swane, Stockholm, Sweden
73) Jens Venge, Stockholm, Sweden
74) Catharina Ekdahl, Stockholm, Sweden
75) Nina Fylkegard, Stockholm, Sweden
76) Therese Stedman, Malmoe, Sweden
77) Jannica Lund, Stockholm, Sweden
78) Douglas Bratt
79) Mats Lofstrom, Stockholm, Sweden
80) Li Lindstrom, Sweden
81) Ursula Mueller, Sweden
82) Marianne Komstadius, Stockholm,Sweden
83) Peter Thyselius, Stockholm, Sweden
84) Gonzalo Oviedo, Quito, Ecuador
85) Amalia Romeo, Gland, Switzerland
86) Margarita Restrepo, Gland,Switzerland
87) Eliane Ruster, Crans p.C.Switzerland
88) Jennifer Bischoff-Elder, Hong Kong
89) Azita Lashgari, Beirut, Lebanon
90) Khashayar Ostovany, New York, USA
91) Lisa L Miller, Reno NV
92) Danielle Avazian, Los Angeles, CA
93) Sara Risher,Los Angeles,Ca.
94) Melanie London, New York, NY
95) Susan Brownstein , Los Angeles, CA
96) Steven Raspa, San Francisco, CA
97) Margot Duane, Ross, CA
98) Natasha Darnall, Los Angeles, CA
99) Candace Brower, Evanston, IL
100) James Kjelland, Evanston, IL
101) Michael Jampole, Beach Park, IL, USA
102) Diane Willis, Wilmette, IL, USA
103) Sharri Russell, Roanoke, VA, USA
104) Faye Cooley, Roanoke, VA, USA
105) Celeste Thompson, Round Rock, TX,USA
106) Sherry Stang, Pflugerville, TX, USA
107) Amy J. Singer, Pflugerville, TX USA
108) Milissa Bowen, Austin, TX USA
110) Mary Orsted, College Station, TX USA
111) Janet Gardner, Dallas, TX USA
112) Marilyn Hollingsworth, Dallas, TX USA
113) Nancy Shamblin, Garland. TX USA
114) K. M. Mullen, Houston, TX - USA
115) Noreen Tolman, Houston, Texas - USA
116) Laurie Sobolewski, Warren, MI
117) Kellie Sisson Snider, Irving Texas
118) Carol Currie, Garland, Garland Texas
119) John Snyder, Garland, TX USA
120) Elaine Hannan, South Africa
121) Jayne Howes, South Africa
122) Diane Barnes, Akron, Ohio
123) Melanie Dass Moodley, Durban, South Africa
124) Imma Merino, Barcelona, Catalonia
125) Toni Vinas, Barcelona, Catalonia
126) Marc Alfaro, Barcelona, Catalonia
127) Manel Saperas, Barcelona, Catalonia
128) Jordi Ribas Izquierdo, Catalonia
129) Naiana Lacorte Rodes, Catalonia
130) Joan Vitoria i Codina, Barcelona,Catalonia
131) Jordi Paris i Romia, Barcelona,Catalonia
132) Marta Truno i Salvado, Barcelona,Catalonia
133) Jordi Lagares Roset, Barcelona,Catalonia
134) Josep Puig Vidal, Barcelona,Catalonia
135) Marta Juanola i Codina, Barcelona,Catalonia
136) Manel de la Fuente iColino,Barcelona,Catalonia
137) Gemma Belluda i Ventura, Barcelona,Catalonia
138) Victor Belluda i Ventur,Barcelona,Catalonia
139) MaAntonia Balletbo, barcelona,Spain
140) Mireia Masdevall Llorens,Barcelona,Spain
141) Clara Planas, Barcelona, Spain
142 Fernando Labastida Gual,Barcelona,Spain
143) Cristina Vacarisas, Barcelona,Spain
144) Enric Llarch i Poyo,Barcelona,CATALONIA
145) Rosa Escoriza Valencia,Barcelona,Catalonia
146) Silvia Jimenez, Barcelona,Catalonia
147) Maria Clarella, Barcelona,Catalonia
148) Angels Guimera, Barcelona,Catalonia
149) M.Carmen Ruiz Fernandez,Barcelona,Catalonia
150) Rufi Cerdan Heredia,Barcelona,Catalonia
151) M. Teresa Vilajeliu Roig, Barcelona,Catalonia
152) Rafel LLussa, Girona,Catalonia,Spain
153) Mariangels Gallego Ribo,Gelida,Catalonia
154) Jordi Cortadella, Gelida, Catalonia
155) Pere Botella, Barcelona, Catatonia (Spain)
156) Josefina Auladell Baulenas,Catalunya(Spain)
157) Empar Escoin Carceller, Catalunya(Spain)
158) Elisa Pla Soler, Catalunya (Spain)
159) Paz Morillo Bosch, catalunya (Spain)
160) Cristina Bosch Moreno, Madrid(Spain)
161) Marta Puertolas, Barcelona (Spain)
162) Elisa del Pino (Madrid) Spain
163) Joaquin Rivera (Madrid) Spain
164) Carmen Barral (Madrid) Spain
165) Carmen del Pino (Madrid) Spain
166) Asuncion del Pino (Madrid) Spain
167) Asuncion Cuesta (Madrid) Spain)
168) Ana Polo Mediavilla (Burgos) Spain
169) Mercedes Romero Laredo (Burgos)Espana
170) Oliva Mertinez Fernandez (Burgos)Espana
171) Silvia Leal Aparicio (Burgos)Espana
172) Claudia Elizabeth Larrauri (Bahia Blanca)
Argentina
173) Federico G. Pietrokovsky (C.F.)Argentina
174) Naschel Prina (Capital Federal)Argentina
175) Daniela Gozzi (Capital Federal)Argentina
176) Paula Elisa Kvedaras (CapitalFederal) Argentina
177) Antonio Izquierdo (Valencia) Espana
178) Ana Belen Perez Solsona (Valencia)Espana
179) Paula Folques Diago (Valencia)Espana
180) Nestor Alis Pozo (Valencia) Espana
181) Rafael Alis Pozo (valencia) Spain
182) Isabel Maria Martinez (Valencia)Espana
183) Cristina Bernad Guerrero (Valencia)Espana
184) Iria Barcia Sanchez
185) Elena Barrios Barcia. Uppsala.Suecia
186) Illana Ortiz Martin.Munchen.Alemania
187) Santiago Rodriguez Rasero.Muenchen.Alemania
188) David Ag=F3s D=EDaz. Pamplona. Espana
189) Juan Luis Ibarretxe. Galdakao. E.H.
190) Rub=E9n D=EDez Ealo. Galdakao. E.H.
191) Marcial Rodr=EDguez Garc=EDa. Ermua.
192) Imanol Echave Calvo. SanSebastian.Spain.
193) Begona Ortiz deZarate Lazcano.Vitoria-Gasteiz. Spain
194) David S=E1nchezAgirregomezkorta.Gasteiz. Euskadi.
195) Alberto Ruiz De Alda.Gasteiz.Euzkadi
196) Juan Carlos GarciaObregon.Vitoria-Gasteiz.Espana
197) Jon Aiarza Lotina. Santander.Spain
198) Teresa del Hoyo Rojo. Santander.
199) Celia NespralGaztelumendi.Santander. Espana
200) Pedro Mart=EDn Villamor,Valladolid.Espana.
201) Victoria Arratia Mart=EDn,Valladolid,Espa=F1a
202) Javi Tajadura Mart=EDn,Portugalete,Euskadi. Spain
203) Lourdes Palacios Martin,Bilbao,Spain
204) Jes=FAs Avila de Grado, Madrid,Espa=F1a
205) Eva Mar=EDa Cano L=F3pez. Madrid. Spain
206) Emilio Ruiz Olivar, Londres, UK
207) Maru Ortega Garc=EDa delMoral,CALAHORRA, ESPANA
208) Juan Carlos Ayala Calvo,Logro=F1o,Spain
209) Rocio Munoz Pino, Logrono, Espana
210) Ximena Pino Burgos, Santiago, Chile
211) Roberto Saldivia Quezada,Santiago,Chile
212) Paola Gonzalez Valderrama,Santiago,Chile
213) Cesar Morales Pe=F1a y Lillo,Santiago
214) Denisse Labarca Abdala ,Santiago,Chile
215) Mar=EDa Paz Gonz=E1lez Garay
216) Daniela Millar Kaiser,Santiago,Chile
217) Alvaro Wigand Perales,Valdivia,Chile
218) Gladys Bustos Carrasco, Quilicura,Chile
219) Patricio Criado Rivera, Quilicura,Chile
220) Carolina Aguilar Monsalve,Valdivia,Chile
221) Carmen Silva Utrilla, Madrid, Espa=F1a
222) Martha Yolanda Rodriguez Aviles,Queretaro, Mexico
223) Laura Rodriguez Aviles,Cozumel,Quintana Roo, Mexico
224) Katia Hahn, Merida, YUCATAN
225) Sofia Gallego Mexicali, B.C. Mexico
226) Beatriz Casta=F1eda De Clariond,Monterrey,Mexico
227) Victor Kerber Palma, Monterrey,Mexico
228) Roc=EDo S=E1nchez Losada, Mexico D.F.
229) Lorenza Estand=EDa Gonz=E1lez Luna,Mexico D.F.
230) Gabriel Gallardo D'Aiuto,M=E9xico D.F.
231) Jos=E8 Antonio Salinas, Monterrey,N.L.,Mex.
232) Laura Cantu, Mty N.L., Mex
233) Jossie Garcia, Mty N.L Mex
234) Martha V=E1zquez Gonz=E1lez, Mty, N.L.;Mex.
235) Laura Rios Mu=F1iz, Monterrey, N.L.MEXICO
236) Dalith Flores Quinatana , Monterrey,N.L. MEXICO
237) Armando Hernandez, Monterrey, NL MEXICO
238) Cynthia Guzman, Monterrey, NL, Mex.
239) Berta Isabel Chapa Monterrey, NL Mex
240) Nelly Cant=FA Orocio Monterrey,NL M=E9xico
241) Daniel Alejandro de la Rosa Mty.N.L. M=E9xico
242) Susana Cant=FA Orocio Mty. N.L. M=E9xico
243) Irving aime Cant=FA B=E1ez Mty. N.L. M=E9xico
244) Jos=E9 Alfredo Rodr=EDguez Villa.Monterrey, Mex.
245) Marina Daniel Ayala, Monterrey, NL,Mexico
246) Andres Alberto Basa=F1ez Gonzalez
247) Patty Torres R., Monterrey, NL,MEXICO
248) Annet Abarca Arvide, Monterrey,NL,Mexico
249) Silvia Ruiz Mancera
250) Vanessa L. Hjerpe Ibarra M=E9xico, DFMEXICO
251) Monica A. Guisa S=E1nchez, D.F. MEXICO
252) Gabriel Alejandro S=E1nchez Leyva,Guadalajara,Jalisco,
253) Lizette Oseguera Tinajero,Guadalajara, Jalisco,MEXICO
254) Dalia Zavala Acosta, Tijuana, B.C.M=E9xico
255) Celina N Contreras, Tijuana, B. C.,Mexico
256) Octavio Moreno Hernandez, San Diego,CA., USA
257) Iliana Hernadez Torres, Tijuana, BCMexico.
258) Francisco Flores Flores, Tijuana,B.C. Mexico
259) Arlene Cordero Macias, Tijuana,B.C., M=E9xico.
260) Jorge Barnetche Pous, Tijuana, BajaCalifornia,Mexico
261) Pilar de la Fuente, Cd. Juarez,Chihuahua, Mexico
262) Esteban Beiza, Santiago, Chile
263) Paulo Frias, Santiago, CHILE.
264) Alejandra Lastra, Argentina
265) Patricio Manns, Chile.
266) Gaspar Glavich, Suiza
267) Helia Alvarado, Suiza
268) Luis Diaz Alvayay, Alemania Federal
269) Eva Varas, Santiago, Chile.
270) Cecilia Riveros, Valparaiso, Chile
271) Marcelo Barahona Cornejo, Quilpue,CHILE
272) Juan Claudio Tapia Rodriguez, Chile
273) Oscar Parra A, Chile
274) Mauricio Munoz V, Chile
275) Angelo Rojas, Chile
276) Alejandra Perez G., Santiago, Chile
277) Javier P=E9rez Diaz, Vina del Mar,Chile
278) Oscar Espejo Briones; Vina del Mar;Chile
279) Roberto Alejandro Guerra Esparza;Vina del Mar,Chile.
280) Patricia Navarro Hidalgo; Vina del Mar; Chile
281) Pablo Francisco Ahumada Alvarado;Vina del Mar;Chile
282) Mauricio Vergara Ereche; Vina delMar; Chile
283) Natalia Mar=EDn Vidal; Vina del Mar;Chile.
284) Ra=FAl Rojas Gaete; Talca ; Chile.
285) V=EDctor Guerrero Wolf, Talca ;Chile
286) Andres Ebensperguer Bravo, vi=F1a del mar; Chile
287)Mackarena villarroel fuentes, puerto montt; chile
288)gexa javiera villarroel fuentes, puerto mont; chile
289)freddy villarroel fuentes,puertomontt; chile
290) Daniela Concha Gutierrez, puerto montt; chile
291) Hernan Jimenez Aguayo, Chuquicamata; Chile
292) Andr=E9s Lunas Farah, Chuquicamata;Chile
293) Katherine velozo nu=F1ez, antofagasta;Chile
294) Victor Catal> =E1n Silva,Antofagasta;Chile
295) Luis Hernan Carvajal, Calama;Chile
296) Ma> ria Arancibia Carvajal, Calama;Chile
297) Luis Carvajal Rojas, Calama;Chile
298) jimmy Pe=F1a Lobos, Calama;Chile
299) Jerardo valenzuela,Antofagasta;Chile
300) Nathaly Kraljevich,Antofagasta;Chile
301) Juan Carvajal Carvajal,Antofagasta;Chile
302) Catherine Le=F3n Torres,Antofagasta;Chile
303) Cristian C=F3rdova Olivares,Antofagasta; Chile
304) Jorge Barra Flores, Antofagasta;Chile
305) Ricardo d=EDaz Cort=E9s, Antofagasta,Chile
306) Claudia Tobar Lazcano, Antofagasta,Chile
307) Carmen Pacheco Rivera, Antofagasta,Chile
308) Raquel Saavedra Torres, Antofagasta,Chile
309) Jaime Alcal=E1 Carales, Calama, Chile
310) Ver=F3nica Barraza Aravena, Santiago,Chile
311)Myriam Mu=F1oz M., Santiago,Chile
312)Cecilia Hernando R., Santiago, Chile
313)Andr=E9s Cuevas Saavedra, Santiago,Chile
314)Luis Mill=E1n Gonzalez, Santiago, Chile
315)Gonzalo Veliz G. Santiago, Chile
316)Alvaro Farr=FA B., Santiago de Chile
317)Constanza Celed=F3n B., Santiago de Chile
318)Alejandra Asenjo B.; Concepci=F3n, Chile
319)Alvaro Sandoval F.; Santiago, Chile
320) Barbara Quintana Letelier, Santiago,Chile
321) Fabiola Sepulveda, Michigan, USA
322) Rosa Velasquez S., Santiago , Chile
323) Leonardo Silva Parga, Chile
324) Patricia Parga V., Chile
325) Jose Silva H., Chile
326) Franco Astudillo Arancibia,Santiago, Chile
327) Jeannette Pastenes Cabello,Santiago, Chile
328) M=F3nica Palma Ramirez, Santiago,Chile.
329) Anita Flores, Santiago, Chile
330) Irina Fernandes, Deizisau, Alemania
331) Sarah Schoell, Kronberg, Germany
332) Eva Kittel, Filderstadt, Germany
333) Daniela Wolff, Germany
334) Ralph Hermann, Stuttgart, Germany
335) Susanne Roeder, Stuttgart, Germany
336) Rocco Horn, Stuttgart, Germany
337) Tonio Freitag, Berlin, Germany
338) Sebastian Eppner, Berlin, Germany
339) Felix Natschinski, Berlin, Germany
340) Rene=B4Roberto Vermeulen, Konstanz,Germany
341) Barbara Blendien, Konstanz, Germany
342) Kerstin Blendien, Heidenheim,Germany
343) Torsten Ziolek, Heidenheim, Germany
344) Torsten Boettcher, Marburg, Germany
345) Mike Schlosshaueer, Kreuzlingen, CH
346) Kely Dos Santos, Kreuzlingen, CH
347) Leno Dos Santos, Kreuzlingen, CH
348) Pedro Erwin Heckmann, La Palma, Islas Canarias
349) Eva Heckmann, La Palma, IslasCanarias
350) Christoph Trunk, Freiburg, Germany
351) Tobias Scheffel, Freiburg, Germany
352) Richard Dennis, Freiburg, Germany
353) Wolfgang Brenn, Emmendingen Germany
354) Ernst Schaetzle, Waldkirch Germany
355) Stefan Antony, Breisach Germany
356) Rebeca Manhart, Biberstein,Switzerland
357) Michael Klees, Buchs, Switzerland
358) Daniel Stucki, Kloten, Switzerland
359) Nadine Urech, Glattbrugg,Switzerland
360) Yuki Tscherter, Adliswil,Switzerland
361) Yvonne von Zerssen, Volketswil,Switzerland
362) Jeerapha Boonserm, Zuerich,Switzerland
363) Yeliz Din=E7, Zuerich, Switzerland
350) Christoph Trunk, Freiburg, Germany
351) Tobias Scheffel, Freiburg, Germany
352) Richard Dennis, Freiburg, Germany
353) Wolfgang Brenn, Emmendingen Germany
354) Ernst Schaetzle, Waldkirch Germany
355) Stefan Antony, Breisach Germany
356) Rebeca Manhart, Biberstein,Switzerland
357) Michael Klees, Buchs, Switzerland
358) Daniel Stucki, Kloten, Switzerland
359) Nadine Urech, Glattbrugg,Switzerland
360) Yuki Tscherter, Adliswil,Switzerland
361) Yvonne von Zerssen, Volketswil,Switzerland
362) Jeerapha Boonserm, Zuerich,Switzerland
363) Yeliz Din=E7, Zuerich, Switzerland
365) Angela Stoffel, Wohlen, Switzerland
366) Mehmet Osoy, Basel, Switzerland
367) Mahmut Yasar, Basel, Switzerland
368) Jon Egli, Basel, Switzerland
369) Dominik Egli, Basel, Switzerland
370) Peter Widmer, Berlin, Germany
371) Corinne Payot, Basel, Switzerland
372) Josy
373) Raymund Disler,Uznach;Switzerland
374) Iris Bueeler-Moesli, Oberuzwil;Switzerland
375) Rosanna Graetzer, Flawil, Switzerland
376) Corradini Andreas,Flawil,Switzerland
377) Vaios Doukas, Obebueren, Switzerland
378) Nicole Hielscher ,Freiburg,Germany
379) Melanie Kellner, Freiburg, Germany
380) Stefan Busshardt, Freiburg, Germany
381) Laura Richter, Freiburg, Germany
382) Nathalie Buechel, Cologne, Germany
383) R=E9becca Del Frate, Grevenbroich, Germany
384) Andreas Prinz, Cologne, Germany
385) Oliver Juesten, Cologne, Germany
386) Andreas Friedel, Ravensburg, Germany
387) Petra Vogel, Munich, Germany
388) Frederic Unterschemmann, Munich, Germany
389) Simon Verhoeven, Munich, Germany
390) Nicholas Goodwin, Munich, Germany
391) Daniela Birk, Birkenwerder, Germany
392) Angela Gl=E4ser, Frankfurt, Germany
393) Martin Farkas, Munich, Germany
394) Benjamin Heisenberg, Munich, Germany
395) Michaela Meli=E1n, Munich, Germany
396) Kirsten Riesselmann, Berlin, Germany
397) Rainer Schwabe, Cologne, Germany
398) Alwine Schreiber-Martens, K=F6ln, Germany
399) Adolf Paster, Wien, Austria
400) Maria Neuberger-Schmidt, Wien, Austria
401) Marietta Hadinger-Jones, Wien, Austria
402) Courtney Jones, Wien, Austria
403) Erich Felix Mautner, Wien
404) Hans Schnait Wien
405) Petra Choc Wien, Austria
406) Margaretha Jergitsch, Wien, Austria
407) Hugo Potyka, Wien, Austria
408) Kurt Brazda Wien, Austria
409) Traude Brazda-Gruber Wien, Austria
410) Dkfm. Margaretha Jergitsch
411) Gallob Dr. Bernd, Austria
412) Karina Suske, Wien, =D6sterreich
413) Roswitha Krause, Wien, =D6sterreich
414) Veronika Poch, Wien
415) Peter und Margarete Troberg, Belgien
416) Helmut und Rosi Pfister, Germany
417) Mirja Lindberg, Munich, Germany
418) Walter Van hove, Munich, Germany
419) Irmgard Hofmann, Muich, Germany
420) Markus Matt-Kellner, Munich, Germany
421) Michael Malert, Hamburg, Germany
422) Leonhard Lorek, Berlin, Germany
423) Norbert Grandl, Berlin, Germany
424) Jan Christoph Siegele, Berlin, Germany
425) Dean Bagar, Berlin, Germany
426) martin petersdorf, berlin, germany
427) Norbert Jackschentis, berlin, germany
428) bernd kabs, frankfurt, germany
429) Matthias Westerweller, frankfurt, germany
430) Nam Leonhard-Vaughn, frankfurt am main,germany
431) Frank Sch=F6lzel, frankfurt am main, germany
432) Nicola Beyer, frankfurt am main, germany
433) Evi Radmacher, hamburg, germany
434) Jens Koger, hamburg, germany
435) Andrea M. Junker- hamburg-germany
436) Sally Johnson, Hamburg, Germany
437) Tim Barnes, London, UK
438) Katherine Tulloh, London, UK
439) Lucy Greeves, London, UK
440) Geraldine Mitchell, Louisburgh, Ireland
441) Neil Middleton, Louisburgh, Ireland
442) Brian Murphy, Ottawa, Canada
443) Francyne Laliberté, Nelson, Canada
444) Michael Chapman, Nelson, Canada
445) David Boyd, Nelson, Canada
446) Bobbie Ogletree, Nelson, Canada
447) Susan Andrews Grace, Nelson Canada
448) Almeda Glenn Miller, Rossland Canada
449) Colin Heath, Vancouver, Canada
450) Darlene Brookes, Vancouver, Canada
451) Priscilla Costa, Vancouver, Canada
452)Jonathon Tardif, Osaka, Japan
453)Kristine Boyle, Ono Japan
454) Gloria Pavez, Vancouver, Canada
455) Kenia M. Avendaño, Vancouver, canada
456) Kenia D. Avendaño, Vancouver, Canadá
457) Aymará Coral Varas, Vancouver, Canadá
458) Marcelo Gómez Cáceres, Santiago, Chile
459) Rodrigo Orrego Torres, Santiago, Chile
460) Luis Carrasco Diaz,Santiago, Chile.
461) Marcela Meza Q., Santiago, Chile.
462) Alejandro López Oñatt Santiago Chile
463) Sergio Gamboa Greppi, Santiago Chile
465) Mike alfonseca, Santo domingo, República Dominicana.
466) Francesca Bueno, Sto. Dgo., República Dominicana.
467) Katherine Rodriguez, Sto. Dgo., República Dominicana.
468) Katty Martínez, Sto. Dgo., República Dominicana.
469) Mauro Bisso Azcarate, Sto. Dgo., República Dominicana.
470) Vanessa M. Reynoso, Sto. Dgo., República Dominicana.
471) Javier A. Mota Alvarez, Sto. Dgo., REpública Dominicana.
472) Paola M. Mota Alvarez, Braunschweig, Germany.
473) Jassiel A. Vargas Cruz, Sto. Dgo., Republica Dominicana
Caesar Garcia
third World War! Your 'peacemaking' efforts do nothing but give
support to a dictator. Saddamn is a tyrant who has murdered his own
people with poison gas, attacked two of his neighboring countries. Is
your memory so poor that you forget his brutal, unprovoked attack on
Kuwait?
Any efforts at peacemaking are simply appeasement to an evil bully.
Saddamn is an arab Hitler. If you think things are difficult now, just
wait until Saddamn gets the bomb. Then his bullying nature will really
come alive. You peacenics think love and kisses will charm everyone
and solve everything. Well, it doesn't; military force is the only
thing that someone like Saddamn can understand.
Your very freedom to post your bullshit has come from the sweat and
blood from those with the courage to fight against the tyranny of
earlier dictators such as Hitler, Mussolini, Hirohito. Obviously you
have never served a single day of military service. You wouldn't have
the guts, you spineless worm.
After all the backstabbing that many european countries have done to
the United States over this, I hope they cancel all foreign aid to
you, and ignore requests for help that you always ask for.
Caesar Garcia
jassie...@hotmail.com (JAVC) wrote in message news:<dd553de1.03022...@posting.google.com>...
Nils Petter Vaskinn
> jassie...@hotmail.com (JAVC) wrote in message
> news:<dd553de1.03022...@posting.google.com>...
>
>
>>
>>
> [stopping the war is stupid because saddam is a bully but bush is the
> bully I prefer]
>
>
[top posting fixed]
Hi.
What exactly has this to do with hp calculators? You are both offtopic.
And both wrong.
Followup-to set to alt.flame
Rod O'Connor
But that said I agree that Bush is an a--hole. Nothing to do with HP
Calculators, other than calculating trajectories, but off topic all the
same...We shouldnd'nt have taken on Hitler in WWII? Where to hell have you
been?
We shouldn't have taken on Hitler and killed him in WW
"JAVC" <jassie...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Joseph K. Horn
Hash: SHA1
[Massively off-topic]
> We shouldn't have taken on Hitler in W.W.II?
No, we should not have! If enough peaceniks had had enough peace
demonstrations around the world, and if we had gathered enough
Transcendental Meditators to throw "happy thought bombs" at Hitler,
and if we voluntarily and unilaterally disarmed ourselves as a sign of
trust and friendship, then Hitler would have realized the errors of
his ways, and he would never have murdered the 16 million that he
murdered, and Stalin would have never murdered the 42.7 million that
he murdered, and Mao would have never have murdered the 34.4 million
that he murdered.*
When will humanity wake up and realize that military victory over
murderous dictators doesn't stop them from murdering? The ONLY way to
stop Saddam Hussein from his mass murdering is by joining hands in
non-violent protest and thinking Happy Thoughts until all the violence
in the world will melt away... except our violent diatribes against
those war-mongering conservatives, because they *deserve* it, of
course.
- -Joe-
* http://www.ncpa.org/~ncpa/studies/s211/s211.html
- --
DISCLAIMER: The above steaming pile of imbecilic crap was brought to
you (over and over and over) by the pro-death liberal news media and
anti-American university professors.
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John H Meyers
[ignorant and stupid blather snipped]
This is quite similar to what we see from time to time
when newbies to the use of an HP48/49 arrive here,
ranting about how stupid and incapable is this
differently architected calculator, how its answers
are so completely wrong as well (a minor example
exists in a parallel thread right now, in fact),
and how even the use of such an awful product
is detrimental to their personal achievement.
Sometimes we might take such expressions of negativity,
from someone who is facing some as yet unfamiliar challenge,
as perhaps just a defensive and protective psychological
shield, and we may try offering some positive help,
guidance, and even some encouragement,
avoiding returning in kind that same sort of response.
When the person who at first exhibited only negativity
is willing to listen, to follow what is suggested and
to have some further experience for himself, then we usually see
a change in their attitude, as they grow in appreciation
of what the rest of us have already come to regard highly
and value -- a perceptively and extremely well architected
system which has so many positive values, which we are now
sorry to see being abandoned, in fact, because the marketplace
at large has no idea of its value, and prefers its more
familiar and usual fare instead, however less it does for them.
On the other hand, when all our offers are met with nothing
but a continuing stream of negativity and criticism,
with no progress being seen as a return on the investment
of a little of our time as an offering of the sharing of knowledge,
then we see that this is not productive, that no seeds will sprout
in this direction, and at some point we stop bothering to offer.
I did not write earlier in this thread, nor ever express
any of the ideas that you are absurdly caricaturing here,
but since you've unfortunately widened your diatribe
to include a subject with which I am known to be associated,
it appears to me that I should do what you suggest yourself,
and join the battle against the destructive force which you
yourself represent, which is the attempt to suppress and destroy
another field of knowledge, which you yourself have not gained,
which has an extraordinary value for humanity, despite your
not yet knowing enough about it to say anything meaningful,
and which, if more widely and correctly known and applied,
would spare millions of people in the future from similar rampages
of death and suffering, whether from human violence, from disease,
or from other consequences of human arrogance and ignorance.
That which you vent will attract some people; you can organize
your own little Taliban to try to smash any other icons of
ancient knowledge, as you organize your band of rednecks
to maim a few million other people who surround that "one bad guy"
whom your posse is out to get. When now and then, some of those
come back and maim your own kind in turn, you can assert that
it was your own heroic campaign which prevented
even more of that from happening, and you should
turn right around and redouble your efforts,
to prevent them from similarly redoubling theirs.
There will always be a crowd who will agree with you,
keeping the destructive fires burning on all sides,
just as is going on every day, in many regions of the world,
in the never subsiding cycles to which we have become accustomed,
and are willing, from force of unbroken habit, to keep accepting.
During many periods of history, there was nothing else to do;
like physicians unable to cure infection, no less to even
understand it, who instead glorified the "laudable pus"
and encouraged wounds to develop it,
societies that can not cure hostility and violence instead encourage
and rely on it, even though it is the very thing that is to be cured.
With knowledge, prevention is available, without resort to the
very same "hair of the dog that bit," but change takes time,
and meanwhile, more people than would otherwise be necessary
continue to suffer and die.
http://stevenlehrer.com/explorers/chapter_4.htm
> "The above steaming pile of imbecilic crap..."
I agree with you there; it unavoidably reflects adversely on the
character of he who composed it, and from what group he comes,
whether or not he officially represents them.
Try coming up with something more dignified, valuable and
worthy for the growth of higher knowledge and spirit, then;
develop a preventative vaccine which suppresses further
outbreaks of the suffering and killing plagues of the past,
or if you can not, then at least stop attacking those who are,
show some due respect, and let them get on in peace with their work.
William Graves
"John H Meyers" <jhme...@miu.edu> wrote in message news:b3pnkg$8ij$1...@newsreader.mailgate.org...
> An "educated" man (and priest), who should know better, wrote:
> [ignorant and stupid blather snipped]
I, for one, agree with John. His statement was thoughtful, contained accurate historical references and reasoning. A reasonable
person would show a reasoned argument against his presentation, rather than call it stupid!
> With knowledge, prevention is available, without resort to the
> very same "hair of the dog that bit,"
It is extremely difficult to imagine any possibility of change, when those who wish the change are being murdered by those opposed
to change.
There is evil in the world and some people who purposely propagate it. The right answer is to lead as good a life as you can, honor
the freedom of others to do the same and oppose, with force if required, those who would murder and pillage the peaceful.
-- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Bill Graves RKBA!
bgr...@ix.netcom.com
Al. Andreou
<something annoyingly stupid over an annoyingly large post>.
I thought Darwin had taken care people like you.
Now I'm forced to please myself by LARTing you.
To other luser-wannabes: do quote a 1K-line post just to add five lines
of your silly text.
Alexandros, with an ESAD attitude.
Really
and clear thinking in it's discussions, always resorts to name
calling and belittling one another when we disagree politically.
This thread so far includes carefully reasoned name calling and
innuendo by some of the most intelligent people I read in
newsgroups. Keep it up.
But if any of you calm down for a minute, try to remember that even
though you are right, whichever side of this issue you are on, and
those who disagree with you are wrong, they're probably decent and
thoughtful people just like you who have come to an opposite
conclusion and you probably won't change their mind but you might
be able to create an opportunity to undestand why they think what
they do.
So, when you want to figure out why things are screwed up so badly
in this world, study this discussion. We're modelling the problem
perfectly.
Barry
Joseph K. Horn
John Meyers writes:
> An "educated" man (and priest), who should know better ...
I *do* know better. Eat your heart out. >:-b
But, since you asked for it: ego te absolvo; ii in pace. O:-)
> [ignorant and stupid blather snipped]
Ah, so we agree! Wonderful. ;-)
-Joe-
--
Theoden: "I know what it is you want of me, but I will not bring further
death to my people. I will not risk open war."
Aragorn: "Open war is upon you, whether you would risk it or not."
[from the movie Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers]
Aragorn: "You have skill with a blade."
Eowyn: "Women in this country learned long ago that those without swords
can still die upon them."
[ibid]
"Think happy thoughts, and you can fly!"
-- Peter Pan, the boy who never grew up.
Joseph K. Horn
> So, when you want to figure out why things are screwed up so badly
> in this world, study this discussion. We're modelling the problem
> perfectly.
Ouch. Good point. Thank you for calming me down.
Barry: How about a level-headed, dispassionate discussion? Something like
this:
The claim that transcendental meditation is the world's only hope for peace is
based on the hypothesis that human thought is capable of producing effects at
a distance. John Meyers has stated that there is "scientific evidence" that
supports this hypothesis. JKHQ1: If this is so, which critically-acclaimed
scientific journals (of which there are hundreds) have published this
evidence? JKHQ2: If none have, is it not scientifically sound for me to doubt
the veracity of the premise? JKHQ3: If so, is it not therefore logical for me
to reject the validity of the claim that meditation is a more reliable means
to the ending of Sadam Hussein's crimes against humanity than military
victory?
-Joe-
William Graves
big whoops... I agree with Joe Horn and disagree completely with John Meyer!
One cannot lay down in front of an aggressor!
Joseph K. Horn
> John Meyers has stated that there is "scientific evidence" that
> supports this hypothesis.
Hey, I know! How about the letter written by the former chairman of the MIU
(MUM) Physics Department, Dennis E. Roark, Ph.D? Included in his letter are
these fascinating sentences:
"It is my certain belief that the many scientific claims both to actual
evidences of unique, beneficial effects of T.M. and physics are not only
without any reasonable basis, but are in fact in many ways fraudulent. I will
briefly try to detail a few of these errors and false claims in this letter."
The entire letter can be found here:
http://www.trancenet.org/personal/roark.shtml
Here are a few more stacks of evidence against TM:
http://www.unstress4less.org/transcendental_meditation-harmful-abstracts.htm
http://www.unstress4less.org/transcendental_meditation-tmresearch-biochemistry
.htm
http://www.unstress4less.org/transcendental_meditation-tmresearch-serotonin.ht
m
http://www.unstress4less.org/transcendental_meditation-tmresearch-unique.htm
http://www.unstress4less.org/transcendental_meditation-tmresearch-problems.htm
http://www.suggestibility.org/
http://www.trancenet.org/research/markovsky.shtml
"Oh powerful Dubya, the slayer of Rakshasas... Dubya, the destroyer... Dubya,
do thou, bending thy arrows... and sharpening thy javelins... pierce with them
Hussein's regime to the heart, and break their arms when raised against thee."
-- Rig Veda, X. 7. 3. (73), with just a few names changed for fun.
-Joe-
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
news:5u88a.52898$NV.11...@news.direcpc.com...
> [utterly off topic]
>
> > John Meyers has stated that there is "scientific evidence" that
> > supports this hypothesis.
> http://www.suggestibility.org/
X
"The way to hell is paved with good intentions!"
Brother-Peter
Really
My comment wasn't just directed at you.
John Meyers is as flakey as you are in this discussion. Oops. Did
I just call someone a name? Ok, I'll try again. John and you and
I are all pretty flakey in this discussion. :)
Barry
Really
news:b3qrcm$15i$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...
> > I, for one, agree with John
>
> big whoops... I agree with Joe Horn and disagree completely with
John Meyer!
> One cannot lay down in front of an aggressor!
One can. But it isn't healthy.
Barry
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
news:cb8a7d1fd45f82bd...@news.teranews.com...
Sometimes, just sometimes,
fighting back gives you greater injury.
(probably to the agressor, too)
VPN
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
> "Joseph K. Horn" <Joe...@HolyJoe.Net> wrote in message
> news:3c68a.52887$NV.11...@news.direcpc.com...
> John Meyers is as flakey as you are in this discussion. Oops. Did
> I just call someone a name? Ok, I'll try again. John and you and
> I are all pretty flakey in this discussion. :)
>
> Barry
VPN
R. G. Newbury
<DROP...@welho.com> wrote:
> > [utterly off topic]
> "The way to hell is paved with good intentions!"
> Brother-Peter
I prefer the shorter version:
The road to hell is ... paved.
Really
news:zGI8a.1805$b1.14...@reader1.news.jippii.net...
Sometimes.
But any rule you make for which times are which is probably not
gonna be very reliable.
Barry
Jean-Yves Avenard
On 2/3/03 7:10, in article 5u88a.52898$NV.11...@news.direcpc.com, "Joseph
K. Horn" <Joe...@HolyJoe.Net> wrote:
> Hey, I know! How about the letter written by the former chairman of the MIU
> (MUM) Physics Department, Dennis E. Roark, Ph.D? Included in his letter are
> these fascinating sentences:
>
Joe, I think you're becoming way out of line lately.
How can you criticize other's people belief when yourself don't admit that
your own beliefs could be questionable (e.g. Catholic Church).
Your own church has been responsible for more death than Nazi Germany during
the inquisition time. This is not my opinion but a fact. Mind you, I'm
Catholic
I think any religion topics should be avoided from this forum, it's not the
correct place
Jean-Yves
Jean-Yves Avenard
On 2/3/03 4:34, in article 3c68a.52887$NV.11...@news.direcpc.com, "Joseph
K. Horn" <Joe...@HolyJoe.Net> wrote:
> The claim that transcendental meditation is the world's only hope for peace is
> based on the hypothesis that human thought is capable of producing effects at
> a distance. John Meyers has stated that there is "scientific evidence" that
I don't not believe that that's what TM is about. I've never read anything
about people influencing others with some kind of telepathy.
It is based on the simple rule that if a certain percentage of the
population is actively involved in peace and human evolution, then it will
have a strong influence on others.
This can surely be proven scientifically.
Put in a room 100 angry Joe Horn's. A fight is likely to occur. Put 99 Joe
Horns and 1 all-peace JHM course of events may change.
Increase the proportion of JHM in the room I'm sure a peaceful solution will
be found (should I precise that at no time I take under consideration that
JHMs could overtake JHs by force).
If more and more people are seeking solutions through peace and meditation,
surely it will have an effect on overall violent climate.
I think this is a very valid way of thinking that can have *scientifically*
proven effects. Now the bouncing and jumping bit is a bit beyond me
In any case, Joe as you're the voice of the Church and its people (as a
priest), I find your last posts extremely disturbing: You are preaching
violence and death.
Jean-Yves
"You can say I'm a dreamer, but I'm surely not the only one"
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
news:BA8BC3BB.AE52%m...@privacy.net...
X
> On 2/3/03 4:34, in article 3c68a.52887$NV.11...@news.direcpc.com,
"Joseph
> K. Horn" <Joe...@HolyJoe.Net> wrote:
> In any case, Joe as you're the voice of the Church and its people (as a
> priest), I find your last posts extremely disturbing: You are preaching
> violence and death.
Perhaps Joe has got the Hulk virus from Nick.
(-:
Violence and death? In what part? I did not quite get it? Quota, please.
Veli-Pekka
PS: Your English understanding is very very good considering the fact that
English is not endorced by French (people, governement, school system)
PPS: I also think that you're a great programmer!
PPPS: I share your taste for women!
Thanks for the photos on your non-calculatrice pages!
(Suivant=Next=Seuraava - I learn French!!)
The only thing that would make it better is the UI
It has to be MetaKernelized!
Just move the "Precedent" and "Suivant" to above the pictures
so that they will always be in the exactly same place, thank you!
PPPPS: While at it, would you also consider moving the HP 49G
Create a variable/diretory form [V] Directory
above, too. Please?!
PPPPPS: Just kidding! I'll stop here!
PPPPPPS: No! Wait!...
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
X
> On 2/3/03 7:10, in article 5u88a.52898$NV.11...@news.direcpc.com,
"Joseph
> K. Horn" <Joe...@HolyJoe.Net> wrote:
> Joe, I think you're becoming way out of line lately.
> How can you criticize other's people belief when yourself don't admit that
> your own beliefs could be questionable (e.g. Catholic Church).
Joe's current personal beliefs (about God) has very little to do with
the old days Catholic Church deeds. Have some logic, please.
> Your own church has been responsible for more death than Nazi Germany
during
> the inquisition time. This is not my opinion but a fact. Mind you, I'm
> Catholic
>
> I think any religion topics should be avoided from this forum, it's not
the
> correct place
LOL! And you just had an opinion above.
(-;
> Jean-Yves
Veli-Pekka
PS: I'm not saying that you are wrong in other places JYA,
but please note that "the TM Guru" has been quite often totally OT
with long rants about TM, while usually we anti-anti-christ people
(IMVHO: any other religion [than cristianity/messianic jews] is/are 666)
(even Catholics [Church or people or priests] can be evil)
have kept our peace. I hope that the OT=religious will cease here.
VPN
Jean-Yves Avenard
Nousiainen" <DROP...@welho.com> wrote:
> Violence and death? In what part? I did not quite get it? Quota, please.
Sorry, I forget that war is a peaceful act where people throw flowers at
each other...
> Veli-Pekka
> PS: Your English understanding is very very good considering the fact that
> English is not endorced by French (people, governement, school system)
Where did you get that from?
English is the 3rd main item in School (after Math and French literature)
Jean-Yves
Jean-Yves Avenard
On 5/3/03 17:43, in article b446b1$j3k$2...@nyytiset.pp.htv.fi, "Veli-Pekka
Nousiainen" <DROP...@welho.com> wrote:
> Joe's current personal beliefs (about God) has very little to do with
> the old days Catholic Church deeds. Have some logic, please.
You should re-read my message.
At no time I was linking Joe's beliefs with what the Catholic churches did.
It was two different sentence, in two different paragraph.
Any religion beliefs are questionable, bottom line. That's what I was
referring to. I doubt Joe would appreciate if anybody was making criticisms
regarding what he believed in. I guess it should be accepted that in a HP
forum, everybody should respect each other's beliefs when they have nothing
to do with HP calculators.
Now, let me go back to my computers to do some serious coding
Jean-Yves
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
> On 5/3/03 17:43, in article b446b1$j3k$1...@nyytiset.pp.htv.fi, "Veli-Pekka
> Nousiainen" <DROP...@welho.com> wrote:
> > Violence and death? In what part? I did not quite get it? Quota, please.
> Sorry, I forget that war is a peaceful act where people throw flowers at
> each other...
I just want to know the exact things/points that made you feel that way.
> > PS: Your English understanding is very very good considering the fact
that
> > English is not endorced by French (people, governement, school system)
> Where did you get that from?
> English is the 3rd main item in School (after Math and French literature)
The only known country that have translated the BASIC commands in French
(and even uses: PCAR instead of PCHAR and DROITE instead of STRAIGHT
or SLINE plus DEDICACE instead of ?? - in some calculator models)
is...guess what country?
It is also the only country that I have visited in Europe
(I have visited some...) where one can not always
get an answer using English, but after resorting to some Finnish
to point out that I'm not native English speaker,
but that just is our only hope at the moment
then the salesperson reverts to English from French.
This...guess again which country?
AND
They refuse to eat English meat (: which might be very wise)
BUT
I might be wrong and you might be right.
ON TOPIC:
When one has keyed in several long numbers so that the Command Line
scrolls to the left (: see the three little dots) AND
one then keys in a negative number
THEN the Command Line suddenly jumps all the way to the left
so that no numbers are visible, only the dots.
END
I would call that "an irritating little feature"
Maybe it's fixed in the 1.19-7 ????
Veli-Pekka
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
X
> > Joe's current personal beliefs (about God) has very little to do with
> > the old days Catholic Church deeds. Have some logic, please.
> You should re-read my message.
> At no time I was linking Joe's beliefs with what the Catholic churches
did.
> It was two different sentence, in two different paragraph.
Well actually Joe owns yhe Catholic church...(-;
> Any religion beliefs are questionable, bottom line. That's what I was
OK!
> referring to. I doubt Joe would appreciate if anybody was making
criticisms
> regarding what he believed in. I guess it should be accepted that in a HP
> forum, everybody should respect each other's beliefs when they have
nothing
> to do with HP calculators.
Yeessshh!
I religiously believe than RPN is in many cases far superior to Algebraic,
but that you actually need BOTH in a calclating system
(referring here to Algebraic Objects, TYPE 9.) !!!
> Now, let me go back to my computers to do some serious coding
OK
> Jean-Yves
Sorry for the OT rant
Veli-Pekka
William Graves
> the inquisition time. This is not my opinion but a fact. Mind you, I'm
This is surely a wild, and irresponsible exaggeration since Nazi Germany was responsible for the extermination of 6 millions Jews
and something like 10 million total when various other groups are counted.
Can you imagine what a loss of 10 million would have meant during the earlier periods in history!
Comparisons with the holocaust often tend to reduce the sheer horror of the holocaust. JYA should go back and study his history a
little more carefully!
Jordi Hidalgo
> I just want to know the exact things/points
> that made you feel that way.
Well, I got that impression too: John being against a preventive war
unlike Joe & co. Right? Or is it the other way round?
I'd like to go to Iraq to act as a human shield, provided that someone
(Saddam?) pays the bills...
Jordi Hidalgo
HPCC #1046
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Andres Calvo
> Maybe it's fixed in the 1.19-7 ????
> Veli-Pekka
Which comes first? 1.19-7 or HP50G?
[AC]
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
news:f96a2b5b39f3d15df3a...@mygate.mailgate.org...
> VPN wrote:
>
> > I just want to know the exact things/points
> > that made you feel that way.
>
> Well, I got that impression too: John being against a preventive war
> unlike Joe & co. Right? Or is it the other way round?
BUT
Can you pinpoint any particular thing or was it just the overall impression.
Where was the death?
> I'd like to go to Iraq to act as a human shield, provided that someone
> (Saddam?) pays the bills...
Actually they (the Iraq government) do pay for the Hotel with full meals.
Will you post to us from there?
Veli-Pekka
SJThomas
wrote:
>> Veli-Pekka
>> PS: Your English understanding is very very good considering the fact that
>> English is not endorced by French (people, governement, school system)
>
>Where did you get that from?
Maybe from the same source from which you got the idea that more
people died during the Inquisition than at the hands of the Nazis?
---------------------------
fix the obvious in return address for replies
Bill Markwick
>
> Maybe from the same source from which you got the idea that more
> people died during the Inquisition than at the hands of the Nazis?
The number of Inquisition deaths throughout history obviously isn't
something people kept accurate records about, but I've seen the
estimate of nine million, which is close enough to JYA's statement.
This number might be utterly wrong, but I've seen it more than once,
so presumably a lot of people have read it too.
Bill "Step Up to the Stake, Please" Markwick
William Graves
> something people kept accurate records about, but I've seen the
> estimate of nine million, which is close enough to JYA's statement.
> This number might be utterly wrong, but I've seen it more than once,
> so presumably a lot of people have read it too.
Apparently there has been some scholoarly work done. See
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/num25.htm
which seems to place the numbers somewhere around 30,000 with a lot of criticism of one author who claims 300,000. The site is
interesting because the end of the page lists a great number of authorities.
Really
> > The number of Inquisition deaths throughout history obviously
isn't
> > something people kept accurate records about, but I've seen the
> > estimate of nine million, which is close enough to JYA's
statement.
> > This number might be utterly wrong, but I've seen it more than
once,
> > so presumably a lot of people have read it too.
>
> Apparently there has been some scholoarly work done. See
> http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/num25.htm
> which seems to place the numbers somewhere around 30,000 with a
lot of criticism of one author who claims 300,000. The site is
> interesting because the end of the page lists a great number of
authorities.
I'm glad we finally got away from that useless namecalling and onto
something useful like whether the Inquisition or the Holocaust
killed more people.
The only thing important to take from any of this is that we humans
have a very cruel and stupid side to our nature.
Right now our civilization is probably in more danger than ever
before. Some say Bush is the reason. Some say Sadaam is the
reason. I think we're all the reason.
Each of us has one and only one thing we can do about the world
situation. We can control ourself. That's the only influence we
have. I suggest using it.
Barry
Joseph K. Horn
Google reveals that this discussion was already had about a year ago, when I
was inactive, so I missed it. Jean-Yves politely asked at that time for the
thread to stop, and it eventually did. But John Meyers has kept right on
using comp.sys.hp48 to proselytize for his religion.
This leaves me two loose ends. Loose End 1 is a reasoned reply to Jean-Yves'
reasoned posting. Loose End 2 is my 3-month-old unanswered challenge to John
Meyers, which boils it all down to a single question.
+--- LOOSE END 1 ---+
| |
| JEAN-YVES AVENARD |
| |
+-------------------+
Jean-Yves wrote:
> Joe Horn wrote:
> > The claim that transcendental meditation is the world's only hope
> > for peace is based on the hypothesis that human thought is capable
> > of producing effects at a distance. John Meyers has stated that
> > there is "scientific evidence" ...
>
> I don't not believe that that's what TM is about. I've never read
> anything about people influencing others with some kind of telepathy.
> It is based on the simple rule that if a certain percentage of the
> population is actively involved in peace and human evolution, then it
> will have a strong influence on others.
Jean-Yves, the reason that you never read such a thing might be that your line
of work does not run into such things (fortunately for you). Mine does
(unfortunately for me).
You are correct that TM is not telepathy, but John's own university claims
that its methods ARE based on the possibility of "action at a distance":
http://www.mum.edu/m_effect/th_and_res_doj.html
This article by David Orme-Johnson, Ph.D. is entitled "Theory and Research on
Conflict Resolution through the Maharishi Effect" and it uses the exact phrase
"action at a distance" referring specifically to the so-called Maharishi
Effect.
I do not know in what field Orme-Johnson got his Ph.D., but his claim that
radio and gravity are propagated instantaneously by "action at a distance"
(rather than by propagation at the speed of light) is contrary to modern
science; cf. the following article from the university in HP Calculator Heaven
(Corvallis, Oregon):
http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~js/glossary/gravity_waves.html
> Put in a room 100 angry Joe Horn's. A fight is likely to occur.
Nah. I always agree with me. >:-)
> Put 99 Joe Horns and 1 all-peace JHM course of events may change.
John's recent postings railing against those who disagree with him (especially
me) *exude* peace, don't they? Like the times he disdained my status as an
ordained minister. Shows real "tolerance" doesn't it? (Forgive me if you
meant "all-peace" facetiously.)
> In any case, Joe as you're the voice of the Church and its people
> (as a priest), I find your last posts extremely disturbing: You are
> preaching violence and death.
Since I am being misrepresented here, let me set the record straight. I
promote the right of sovereign nations to self defense against unjust
aggressors, using whatever force is necessary to protect their own people's
lives, liberty, and property, even if that be deadly force. An unjust
aggressor freely and willingly forfeits his right to life and brings his own
destruction upon himself; his death is not the fault of those who are trying
to stop his attack. "Violence and death"? Au contraire! I promote the
active stopping of anyone who would rob peace and life from us. Same reason
that policemen carry guns in the USA: not to cause violence and death, but to
promote peace and protect life. Thet's why policemen and called "peace
officers" and one model of pistol is called "the peace maker". I promote
peace, but not pacifism. In simple terms, if you start violence against me,
I'll stop you, with violence if necessary, even if it kills you. Your death
is not my goal; my goal is the STOPPING of your attack. Period. If that
stoppage kills you, or doesn't kill you, I don't care, as long as you stop
attacking me. THAT is what I promote. I hope it's clear now.
Secondly, how did France obtain the peace that it now enjoys? How did the
United States obtain its peace? How did all of today's peaceniks obtain their
freedom to protest the war? Through the blood, sweat and tears of thousands
of people who were willing to FIGHT for their rights and the rights of their
posterity. They WON that peace and freedom through military VICTORY. Not
through yogic flying and self-hypnosis inside gold domes.
Thirdly, my ONLY GOAL is for John Meyers to stop proselytizing here for his
religion, because I think it's intrinsically flawed in a way that's actually
dangerous. Pointing out the bad things that Christians have done over the
past 2000 years has no bearing on that GOAL, since I do not preach
Christianity on this newsgroup, but keep it where it belongs, namely my
church's pulpit and my website's homily archive. As soon as John stops
posting sermons and sticks to the newsgroup's topics, OR warns the reader with
OFF TOPIC indicators, then of course I won't pester him about his personal
beliefs.
I hope the above ties up that loose end.
+-- LOOSE END 2 --+
| |
| THE CHALLENGE |
| |
+-----------------+
Here's the deal. Three months ago (17 December 2002) I simplified the debate
with John via email. Here's the crux of it, lifted verbatim from my email to
John:
----- begin email quote -----
May I propose a new strategy that's much simpler and less stressful? All it
takes is for each of us to answer one question:
QUESTION FOR YOU: What would it take to convince YOU that thoughts alone
CANNOT have any effect at a distance, no matter how deep those thoughts are,
or of what, or by whom, or how many, etc?
YOUR ANSWER: ________________________________
QUESTION FOR ME: What it would take to convince ME that thoughts CAN have an
effect at a distance?
MY ANSWER: ANY article in ANY of the mainstream scientific journals supporting
that theory without being overturned by a subsequent article in the same
journal. By "mainstream scientific journal" I mean any of the hundreds of
online journals listed by Stanford at http://www4.tdnet.com/stanford/ or by
MEDeZONE at http://www.medezone.com/173.html or by the NIH at
http://www.nih.gov/science/journals/ or the Phoenix Foundation at
http://www.bioport.org/readroom/journal.htm or any similarly acclaimed and
accepted journal. I will NOT accept any other evidence.
If you can provide what I require to be convinced, then you win, and I'll
abandon my belief that thoughts do nothing.
If I can provide what you require to be convinced, then I win and you'll
abandon your belief that thoughts can have external effects.
If neither of us can provide what the other requires, then further debate will
probably only add heat and not light. In that case, it's probably best to
"agree to disagree".
If anything above is unacceptable, please let me know, and read no further.
Otherwise, I eagerly await your answer to #1 above. I hope this leads to more
light and less heat.
----- end of email quote -----
John was presented this challenge three months ago (17 December 2002) and he
has yet to reply to EITHER part. It remains a loose end.
</OT>
-Joe-
Jordi Hidalgo
> my belief that thoughts do nothing.
If prayers are thoughts, and people pray for something to happen,
then thoughts can do something, if you believe in prayers...
Jordi.
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
and He does the deeds, not man's thoughts
There is a huge "New Age" difference in these things!
VPN
"Jordi Hidalgo" <jo...@tv3mail.com> wrote in message
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JAR
Are you so universally bored that you couldn't resist the temptation
to provoque this newsgroup into a utterly confusing and confused rant
which has no place in this forum?
Come on!
Take a break!
I, for one, am totally confused about what you're trying to say!
Please... Let's change ourselves before we try to change the world!
John H Meyers
(other matters to be addressed later, as time permits):
I read recently in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that
nine years ago, Bishop Donald Wuerl asked Pittsburghers
to pray for an end to violence after a particularly nasty
spate of homicides.
Would you, Father Horn, ever write to the Bishop to tell him that
his idea to throw "happy prayer bullets" at violent murderers is,
to repeat your own words, a "steaming pile of imbecilic crap"?
...
Through other news media, I gather that the Pope is himself
opposed to this war, saying even today:
----- Begin quotes from article -----
"When war, as in these days in Iraq,
threatens the fate of humanity,
it is ever more urgent to proclaim,
with a strong and decisive voice,
that only peace is the road to follow
to construct a more just and united society," John Paul said.
"Violence and arms can never resolve the problems of men."
The pontiff said that peace is
"a gift of God and a humble and constant achievement by men."
John Paul has said there is no legal or moral justification
for military action. He has also expressed concern
that war would harm relations between Christians and Muslims.
Before the war, the pope sent a cardinal to Washington
to plead with President Bush not to attack,
and another cardinal to Baghdad to press Saddam Hussein
to cooperate completely with U.N. weapons inspectors.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/22/iraq/main545315.shtml
----- End quotes from article -----
Considering the above, would you, Father Horn, ever write
to the Pope to tell him, again repeating your own words to me,
that he has a "big yellow streak running down his back"?
It strikes me that the man who founded our university
(himself a monk, actually)
has been speaking out, for a long while, including in his own
weekly recent press conferences, exactly parallel thoughts
to those of Bishop Wuerl and Pope John Paul, and that all of these
deserve our deeper consideration than violent verbal outbursts.
Father Horn, I do not know what has led you to take this
recent course of violent language and attack, including your
scanning the internet for the most negative material you can find
(all of it invalid) to post about our organization -- suppose I were
to scan the internet for anything negative about child-abusing priests,
for example; would you regard these extreme views as representative
of all that the Church in its entirety represents
and has to offer the world?
If it is due to any crisis in your own life, then I hope it passes
and leaves your soul in peace; if it is due to my own impatience
with you, then I apologize for labeling your remarks with sharp,
one-word judgments; perhaps you would like to do the same
about the above, and resume what may be a more productive dialog.
...
"Lord, make me an instrument of thy peace..." - St. Francis
http://www.awildorchid.com/prayer.htm
http://www.catholicfirst.com/TheFaith/Prayers/stfrancis.htm
Is it true that Francis lived in a cave in the mountains of Assisi
and spent his time in prayer and meditation for two years?
Did this develop something of value within him?
...
"Know then thyself,
Presume not God to scan,
The proper study of mankind is man." [Alexander Pope 1688-1744]
"The decisive question for man is:
Is he related to something infinite or not?
That is the telling question of his life ...
The greatest limitation for man is the 'self',
it is manifested in the experience:
'I am only that!'
Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961)
Memories, Dreams and Reflections (New York: Vintage Books, 1965)
"I am That; Thou art that; That alone is." [Vedic text]
"The Kingdom of Heaven is within you" [Luke 17:20-21]
-[]-
Gregory Warsewicz Savage
You would make a great Catholic if you were one. 'Good job on doing your
homework.
Greg
"John H Meyers" <jhme...@miu.edu> wrote in message
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Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
> (other matters to be addressed later, as time permits):
>
>
> I read recently in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that
> nine years ago, Bishop Donald Wuerl asked Pittsburghers
> to pray for an end to violence after a particularly nasty
> spate of homicides.
>
> Would you, Father Horn, ever write to the Bishop to tell him that
> his idea to throw "happy prayer bullets" at violent murderers is,
> to repeat your own words, a "steaming pile of imbecilic crap"?
BAH!!!
New Age: My thoughts will change the things the way I want !!
Let's think together and WE can change the world !!
Gods Way: People pray that Gods good will show up,
but if Gods Way differs from the prayers way it does for a reason
and the prayer has to adapt to the situation (or pray harder)
OR - sometimes remember to ask Gods will instead his/her own...
(: this point I usually forget myself)
John!
While you are off topic in these religious matters
how about writing directly to Father Joe or Brother-Peter
instead of polluting this "i.hate.bush.iraq.war.is.ok" - erh -
comp.sys.hp48 newsgroup with OT. It's already DEFINITELY OT
Please!
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen aka Brother-Peter "Smallrising"
Joseph K. Horn
> John!
> While you are off topic in these religious matters
> how about writing directly to Father Joe or Brother-Peter
> instead of polluting this "i.hate.bush.iraq.war.is.ok" - erh -
> comp.sys.hp48 newsgroup with OT. It's already DEFINITELY OT
> Please!
Don't you relish his confabulations served up with logorrheic dissipation?
I find them most intriguing. Precisely the behavior in "People of the Lie" by
Scott Peck. Like a cornered animal, lashing out, instead of presenting the
scientific evidence that he claimed to have. *Most* intriguing.
I say, let him talk. In fact, give him *more* rope. Know what I mean?
-Joe-
"Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most
intriguing." -- Data, to Deanna Troi's wedding party
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
news:DHrga.59750$NV.13...@news.direcpc.com...
> Veli-Pekka writes:
I don't know _some_ english words, like:
relish =
confabulations =
served up with = "served up wtih dressing" would be a food with dressing
eg." moisture"
logorrheic = huh?
dissipation = heat radiates off a hot CPU
intriguing = disturbing? something not-so-positive anyway. irritating?
petty =
bickering = mockering?
VPN - non-native-English-mumbler
Paul Floyd
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen <DROP...@welho.com> wrote:
> "Joseph K. Horn" <Joe...@HolyJoe.Net> wrote in message
> news:DHrga.59750$NV.13...@news.direcpc.com...
>> Veli-Pekka writes:
> I don't know _some_ english words, like:
> relish =
To savour, enjoy.
> confabulations =
Talk, chatter.
> served up with = "served up wtih dressing" would be a food with dressing
> eg." moisture"
> logorrheic = huh?
Like diarrhoea, but with logos = words as the prefix. This is not a real
word.
> dissipation = heat radiates off a hot CPU
> intriguing = disturbing? something not-so-positive anyway. irritating?
Nothing negative about it. Curious is more like it.
> petty =
Inconsequential, unimportant.
> bickering = mockering?
Talk again, but this time more argumentative. Usually lengthy and
repeated.
A bientot
Paul
--
Paul Floyd http://paulf.free.fr (for what it's worth)
Netgear: the worst technical support I've ever encountered.
Joseph K. Horn
> I don't know _some_ english words ...
The richness of the English language unfortunately makes it impossible
to learn it all. There is no way for any one person to know the entire
vocabulary. It's a good idea to keep a good dictionary at hand. (Or, in
British English, "to hand"). My favorite is the Random House Collegiate
Dictionary, but there are many other excellent ones, including these
free-to-use online ones:
http://dictionary.reference.com
http://thesaurus.reference.com
> relish =
rel·ish (rel_ish) n., v. <-ished, -ish·ing>
n.
- enjoyment of the taste of something: to eat with relish.
- pleasurable appreciation of anything; liking.
"To eat x with relish" means "to really, really enjoy eating x."
Unfortunately, "relish" is also a condiment usually made of chopped and
pickled vegetables. In the USA, frankfurters (which we call hot dogs)
are usually offered with your choice of sauerkraut or relish. Therefore
to say "I ate that hot dog with relish" would have two distinct meanings.
"Caesar mustard his troops to ketchup with the enemy."
"Keep making puns like that and I'll relish pickling you!"
> confabulations =
con·fab·u·late (kuhn fab_yuh lAYt•) v.i. <-lat·ed, -lat·ing>
- Psychiatry. to fill a gap in memory with a falsification that
the falsifier believes to be true.
> served up with =
serve (sűrv) v. <served, serv·ing> n.
v.t.
- to act as a host or hostess in offering or distributing (food or
drink) to another.
- to provide with a regular or continuous supply of something.
"Served up with x" in this context means "regularly and continuously
presented for consumption along with x".
> logorrheic =
log·or·rhe·a (lô•guh rEE_uh, log•uh-) n.
- pathologically incoherent, repetitious speech.
- incessant or compulsive talkativeness; wearisome volubility.
Just as diarrhea is an abnormally profuse flow of fecal matter,
logorrhea is an abnormally profuse flow of words. Sort of like
mental diarrhea. Logorrheic is the adjective form of that noun.
> dissipation =
dis·si·pa·tion (dis•uh pAY_shuhn) n.
- a wasting by misuse: the dissipation of a fortune.
- dissolute way of living, esp. excessive drinking of liquor;
intemperance.
- a process in which energy is used or lost without accomplishing
useful work, as friction causing loss of mechanical energy.
The intention here is to indicate that verbal diarrhea is a waste of
time, energy, and resources, because it accomplishes no useful work
(other than catharsis, of course).
> intriguing =
in·trigue (v. in trEEg_; n. also in_trEEg) v. <-trigued, -tri·guing> n.
v.t.
- to arouse the curiosity or interest of by unusual, new, or
otherwise fascinating qualities.
In this context, it is a synonym for "fascinating" (Spock's favorite
adjective!).
> petty =
pet·ty (pet_EE) adj. <-ti·er, -ti·est>
- of little or no importance; inconsequential: petty grievances.
- of lesser importance or merit; minor: petty considerations.
- having or showing narrow ideas, interests, etc.: petty minds.
- ungenerous in trifling matters: a petty person.
- showing meanness of spirit: a petty revenge.
"Great minds discuss ideas.
Ordinary minds discuss events.
Petty minds discuss people."
> bickering =
bick·er (bik_uhr) v. <-ered, -er·ing> n.
v.i.
- to engage in peevish argument; wrangle.
Hope this helped. If not, I'm at a loss for words. ;-)
-Joe-
"A word to the wise is sufficient."
Andres Calvo
Cut the crap men.
"Meyers and Horn" are probably two of the "best" posters in this forum.
Bill Markwick
>
>
>
I would say that John's contribution to the world of HP calculators
entitles him to pretty much anything "except incest and morris
dancing". (I forget who said that.)
Why would the world be a better place if John is forced to recant?
Sincerely,
Bill
(For those who are annoyed at all the recent off-topic posting, this
one is definitely right on. If John is driven away, the loss is very
much our own.)
Werner Huysegoms
> Therefore
> to say "I ate that hot dog with relish" would have two distinct meanings.
>
Four, actually. The Chinese would interpret it quite differently.. ;-)
Werner
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
"Joseph K. Horn" <Joe...@HolyJoe.Net> wrote in message
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> Veli-Pekka Nousiainen writes:
> > I don't know _some_ english words ...
X
> http://dictionary.reference.com
> http://thesaurus.reference.com
Thank you of these!
incessant ? => continuous (CMOS memory with a condensator backup, HP 25C)
volubility ? => flow
profuse? => excessive, plentiful
fecal ? => decomposed (which I guessed from the context)
Your explanation where more complicated than "explanateyee".
>
intemperance? => impulsiveness
> > intriguing = "fascinating" (Spock's favorite adjective!).
Nice To Know (basis) [in contrast to secret agent's Need To Know)
I thought that "opportunistic" would be a better
http://thesaurus.reference.com
synonyme
>
grievances ? * NOT IN THE THESAURUS * miss-spelled (by me?) ??
trifling ? => insignificant (I thought the opposite...)
peevish ? => irritable
wrangle ? => fight (close enough to wrestle[mania] for me to guess)
> Hope this helped. If not, I'm at a loss for words. ;-)
You have no more words?
> -Joe-
> "A word to the wise is sufficient."
If one understands it!
I don't seem to have the Gift of the Holy Spirit to interpret languages...
but once again, with the http://thesaurus.reference.com
I don't seem to need it for reading this NG
Thanks a lot, Joe (: for being and leading to less OT)
Veli-Pekka
James M. Prange
> Veli-Pekka Nousiainen writes:
>
> > I don't know _some_ english words ...
>
> The richness of the English language unfortunately makes it impossible
> to learn it all. There is no way for any one person to know the entire
> vocabulary.
"unfortunately"? But that's one of the things that I love about my
mother tongue. It has so many ways to express an idea, with so many
nuances. (But on the other hand, with so many ways to misuse or abuse
the language.) It shows such a predilection for growth and so many
delightful quirks. It has so much available room for learning. When you
include the possible compounds, various forms, archaisms, neologisms,
and appropriations from other languages, is there any limit to the
vocabulary available in the English language? When I can't bedazzle 'em
with my brilliance, I can always try to baffle 'em with my bull____. My
thanks to England for this marvelous gift (or did The Colonies instead
steal it?).
I'm sure that other languages must have their good points, but I'm for
the most part blissfully ignorant of them.
> It's a good idea to keep a good dictionary at hand. (Or, in
> British English, "to hand"). My favorite is the Random House Collegiate
> Dictionary, but there are many other excellent ones, including these
> free-to-use online ones:
> http://dictionary.reference.com
> http://thesaurus.reference.com
For myself, I'd fain have the wondrous Oxford English Dictionary, in
particular to indulge my penchant for archaisms. Alas, it scarcely seems
affordable for a non-professional user. Yet even the O.E.D. doesn't
attempt to be all-inclusive.
<snip>
> > logorrheic =
>
> log·or·rhe·a (lô•guh rEE_uh, log•uh-) n.
> - pathologically incoherent, repetitious speech.
> - incessant or compulsive talkativeness; wearisome volubility.
>
> Just as diarrhea is an abnormally profuse flow of fecal matter,
> logorrhea is an abnormally profuse flow of words. Sort of like
> mental diarrhea. Logorrheic is the adjective form of that noun.
Thanks for the word, Joe; I hadn't been aware of it, although I easily
surmised the meaning from its roots and the context. I fully intend to
add "logorrhea" to my personal vocabulary; I'm sure that I'll find
occasion to use it.
I expect that the British would spell it "logorrhoea"?
Very locally, we have the expression "diarrhea of the mouth with a
complication of constipation of the brain". "Logorrhea" captures much of
the meaning of "diarrhea of the mouth", albeit not quite perfectly
accurately or so graphically. I wonder whether there's such a wonderful
substitute for "constipation of the brain"? Nick, can you find some
Greek roots that we can put together for this? Hey Nick! Are you with
us? Oh well, if he's not, then I do hope that he's catching up on his
sleep.
I'll admit that I have a very slight suspicion that I myself just might,
on rare occasions, be somewhat afflicted with logorrhea, but I hope very
rarely with "constipation of the brain" (save in the hours between
sunrise and noon, of course).
Conciseness is often admirable, but sometimes a great many words seem to
be needed to completely and accurately express one's thoughts. Besides
which, my sheer ebullience in using the language tends to lead me to
ramble on.... Argh! Am I showing some faint symptoms reminiscent of
logorrhea? I hope that it doesn't progress to logomania!
<snip>
Personally, I'm always glad to see a new post from either Joe or John.
They're both quite knowledgeable and helpful on the subject of my
favourite calculators. Even when off-topic, they're usually witty or
wise.
Regardless of the merits or evils of TM(r), surely it's sometimes good
to just relax, clear the mind of those concerns which one can do
precious little about, and remember those things that are really most
precious to us. A good sleep does much to heal both mind and body.
"Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit."
The best puns are those that go unnoticed.
Oh well, it's a deep subject, but I suppose that I'd better dummy up for
a while.
--
Regards,
James
Bob Martin
logorrheia = A vowel movement ;-}
Bob
bmar...@cfmx.com (Bill Markwick) wrote in message news:<435f61d8.03032...@posting.google.com>...
Joseph K. Horn
A good pun is its own reword.
> Oh well, it's a deep subject...
*That* one didn't go unnoticed. ;-)
-Joe-
Joseph K. Horn
> Alternate Definition:
> logorrheia = A vowel movement ;-}
(wiping eyes) Thanks! I needed that!
-Joe-
"Hanging is too good for a man who makes puns; he should be drawn and quoted."
-- Fred Allen
Jean-Yves Avenard
On 28/3/03 21:11, in article Y5Vga.1394$G6....@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com,
"James M. Prange" <jmpr...@i-is.com> wrote:
>
> I'm sure that other languages must have their good points, but I'm for
> the most part blissfully ignorant of them.
I'm sure they do, but that's as off-topic as the Irak discussion.
Nothing to do with HP calculators.
This newsgroup becomes more and more like a personal board with a few people
using it to exchange personal views and messages. This had always been the
case with Veli-Pekka posting mostly off-topic (and that I personally find
uninteresting) stuff but more and more people are joining.
This has to stop! This newsgroup is about HP calculators, and HP calculators
only.
Jean-Yves
James M. Prange
> Hello
>
> On 28/3/03 21:11, in article Y5Vga.1394$G6....@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com,
> "James M. Prange" <jmpr...@i-is.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm sure that other languages must have their good points, but I'm for
> > the most part blissfully ignorant of them.
>
> I'm sure they do, but that's as off-topic as the Irak discussion.
> Nothing to do with HP calculators.
Yes, I was well aware of that, but at least this branch is a lot more
fun than that discussion. I would've thought it much less likely to
provoke further flaming than that topic. Excuse me for being human.
> This newsgroup becomes more and more like a personal board with a few people
> using it to exchange personal views and messages. This had always been the
> case with Veli-Pekka posting mostly off-topic (and that I personally find
> uninteresting) stuff but more and more people are joining.
It looks to me as if most (all?) of the persons posting off-topic also
contribute to on-topic discussions, and vice versa. We have a saying:
"All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy."
> This has to stop! This newsgroup is about HP calculators, and HP calculators
> only.
HP calculators (especially the RPL models) are the greatest things since
hot and cold running water, and I hope that HP markets an even better
model soon.
Did someone pee in your Wheaties? Lighten up; get some sleep, or if
you've just woken up, have a coffee.
Maybe you can filter out those messages with "[OT]" in the subject and
don't continue reading any other message as soon as you see that it's
not about HP calculators. I'm sure that that will still leave you with
something to read.
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Regards,
James