HP49 bashers you really piss me off
sasq...@hotmail.com
community.
How can you bash at this point a calculator that you have not even
tried ?
Who of you HP49 bashers was at the OpenHP ?
Who of you have tried or even seen a HP49 ?
The HP49G is a fantastic tool and will be from far the most powerful
calculator on the market for the next year.
I am even sure that the only calc which will be able to be beat the
HP49G will be the next HP.
Despite all your stupid bashings i am sure that the HP49G will be a
suceessful tool because it is far more powerful than the competitors
and it is as easy to use and more easy to use in some cases.
Also if you are not bright enough to understand that the HP49G is the
only chance that we have to see one day the ultra calculator you expect
then i am really sorry for you.
Why ?
Because developping a HP58 would require a lot of money and it is sure
that HP wouldn't be able to do some profits on such tool.
Do you think that calculators such HP48 are good for the business ?
By produceing a calc like the HP49G HP can do some bunks as well as
providing a temporary although very powerful successor to the HP48.
Then with the profits done with the HP49G,HP will be able to develop a
full new C.P.U for its future calculators.
Also i am sure that the incredible job done on the HP49 OS will be very
useful for the OS of the next HP calculator especially considering the
interface and the C.A.S.
Now to the A.C.O:
My hat off !
You have done a fantastic job !
Don't let you discourage by all these stupids bashing and keep up the
good work !
To Bernard Parisse:
My congratulations !
Your C.A.S is one of the most powerful i have never seen and is truly
and from far the most powerful never implemented on a calculator.
I just hope that one day everyone will recognize your talent and the
quality of your work.
Now bashers i am ready:
My name is Timité Hassan and my E-mail is:
Sasq...@hotmail.com
and i give my full support to the A.C.O !
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Timite:
I agree with you 100%! If you look at the REAL pictures of the
prototype, posted by Eric Rechlin on www.hpcalc.org/, the machine
actually looks pretty good. The specs given are awesome. So what if it
kept the Saturn CPU? The Saturn is far more versatile than most people
give it credit for. So what if the default OS is algebraic? This will
help the Blue Bombshell win converts from TI by the thousands, I
predict. You can still use RPN if you like. So what if the IR port is
gone? I hardly ever used the IR port. Connection to a PC is much more
useful for programming and text entry! Like you, I doff my hat to the
ACO. In little more than 2 years they have produced a powerful machine
people will love to use and compete with TI.
Robert Tomanek
sasq...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> I have never seen such childish posts since i am in the caculator
> community.
> How can you bash at this point a calculator that you have not even
> tried ?
> Who of you HP49 bashers was at the OpenHP ?
> Who of you have tried or even seen a HP49 ?
I agree, few of us have tried the new calc.
> The HP49G is a fantastic tool and will be from far the most powerful
> calculator on the market for the next year.
> I am even sure that the only calc which will be able to be beat the
> HP49G will be the next HP.
Sorry, but I think that the HP49G won't be the 'most powerful calculator
on the market' if they don't reengineer it completely...
> Despite all your stupid bashings i am sure that the HP49G will be a
> suceessful tool because it is far more powerful than the competitors
> and it is as easy to use and more easy to use in some cases.
I don't think the HP49G is more powerful than for example TI-89 (flames
go to /dev/null ... :-) )
> Also if you are not bright enough to understand that the HP49G is the
> only chance that we have to see one day the ultra calculator you expect
> then i am really sorry for you.
I'm listening carefully, as I'm not bright enough...
> Why ?
> Because developping a HP58 would require a lot of money and it is sure
> that HP wouldn't be able to do some profits on such tool.
> Do you think that calculators such HP48 are good for the business ?
> By produceing a calc like the HP49G HP can do some bunks as well as
> providing a temporary although very powerful successor to the HP48.
> Then with the profits done with the HP49G,HP will be able to develop a
> full new C.P.U for its future calculators.
> Also i am sure that the incredible job done on the HP49 OS will be very
> useful for the OS of the next HP calculator especially considering the
> interface and the C.A.S.
I am not really sure if I understood what you were trying to say. HP
doesn't have enough money? Excuse me but Hewlett-Packard is not a small
firm with three employees manufacturing their projects on a garage desk.
No one asked HP to develop a new processor - they were asked to either
speed up Saturn or use other architecture, e.g. ARM or MC68060 (just
kidding :-) ). But if you say they'll design a new CPU then the OS must
be written anew so it won't be useful for the new calcs...
> Now to the A.C.O:
>
> My hat off !
> You have done a fantastic job !
> Don't let you discourage by all these stupids bashing and keep up the
> good work !
>
> To Bernard Parisse:
>
> My congratulations !
> Your C.A.S is one of the most powerful i have never seen and is truly
> and from far the most powerful never implemented on a calculator.
> I just hope that one day everyone will recognize your talent and the
> quality of your work.
>
> Now bashers i am ready:
> My name is Timité Hassan and my E-mail is:
> Sasq...@hotmail.com
>
> and i give my full support to the A.C.O !
>
> --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--
> ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---
I understand that you like the new calc and everybody has a right to
express his/her opinion. But on the other hand thinking of other
people's opnions as 'stupid bashings' is quite unfair. Addressing your
interlocutors with 'not bright' adjective also doesn't seem to be
pleasant.
Robert
KJ
>In article <7ie3ok$n36$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>ACO. In little more than 2 years they have produced a powerful machine
>people will love to use and compete with TI.
Great. I can now own an HP calculator
that "competes with TI". Just what I
wanted. ;-))
HP...@technologist.com
"KJ" <kj@NOSPAM> wrote:
> HP...@technologist.com wrote in message <7iee7m$uu8
$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> >In article <7ie3ok$n36$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>
> >ACO. In little more than 2 years they have produced a powerful
machine
> >people will love to use and compete with TI.
>
> Great. I can now own an HP calculator
> that "competes with TI". Just what I
> wanted. ;-))
>
that's what you wanted as well. This machine will win converts from TI
to HP. As HP49 sales go up, this will justify HP's spending even more
money to develop the next generation machine that will be totally new
and even better.
Joe Frisco
I am not buying one. I will wait for that ultra calculator and buy it from
who ever makes it first.
HP is not listed as one of my charities.
I just do not think it is enough of a leap in technology to replace my SX.
This is my subjective opinion. If you do not respect my opinion then you
can PISS OFF.
JOE FRISCO
Electrical Engineer
Marchel
>
> Great. I can now own an HP calculator
> that "competes with TI". Just what I
> wanted. ;-))
It is not competing. It is trying to catch up :-)
Jack
TinyWanda
>people will love to use and compete with TI.
that "competes with TI". Just what I
wanted. ;-))
that's what the 49 is really all about...
HP is saying, we're just as good as TI.
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Freedom
wrote:
>HP is saying, we're just as good as TI.
Isn't that obvious? Hello, HP(NOW, anyway) couldn't come up with an
original design if they had to! I guess they figure that by switching
a few keys and making the thing a putrid color they can say it was
100% their idea. I really wanted to switch from TI to HP, but I'll
stay right where I'm at least until a later model in this series is
made available.
Jemfinch02
>original design if they had to!
Bovine excrement.
>I guess they figure that by switching
>a few keys and making the thing a putrid color they can say it was
>100% their idea.
Originality was never HP's claim with regards to the HP49. Superiority is what
HP claims.
>I really wanted to switch from TI to HP
Then what's stopping you? Fear that you'd have to abondon TI? I wouldn't
imagine that their mediocre products would inspire such mindless loyalty.
Jeremy
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in my ancestry.
My ICQ # is 28153190. My AIM/AOL name is either jemfinch02 or Cassius80.
Have a good day, and good luck in your endeavors!
sasq...@hotmail.com
Marchel <mar...@eaglequest.com> wrote:
> KJ wrote:
> >
> > Great. I can now own an HP calculator
> > that "competes with TI". Just what I
> > wanted. ;-))
>
>
> Jack
If C.P.U is so important why the TI89/92+ can't even beat TI Z80
calculator slowdowned by RAM bankswitching,etc... for numeric
computations and Basic speed ?
The 2 only advantages of the TI89 over the HP49G are:screen
resolution and C.P.U but seing how poorly the M68k is used by the TI-OS
it is not even an advantage.
The HP49G because of its OS blow away the TI calculator in
functionnalities and in performances.
Bruce Horrocks
>
> I have never seen such childish posts since i am in the caculator
> community.
> How can you bash at this point a calculator that you have not even
> tried ?
> Who of you HP49 bashers was at the OpenHP ?
> Who of you have tried or even seen a HP49 ?
Just for interest make a note in your diary to do the following in a
year's time.
Query DejaNews and make a list of those who've posted complaints/whinges
about the 49 during May/Jun this year. Then look for posts indicative of
HP49 ownership (requests for help, answers to requests for help etc.)
posted during May/Jun 2000 and see how many come from the same people.
Then invite those people to tell the group why they changed their minds.
Regards,
--
Bruce Horrocks (...speaking for myself)
EASAMS Ltd, Waters Edge, Riverside Way (Watchmoor Park)
Camberley, Surrey GU15 3PD.
Email: Bruce.H...@gecm.com GNET: 832 3032
Tel: 01276 686777 Fax: 01276 686623
sasq...@hotmail.com
Robert Tomanek <sl...@in.com.pl> wrote:
>
> > Despite all your stupid bashings i am sure that the HP49G will be a
> > suceessful tool because it is far more powerful than the competitors
> > and it is as easy to use and more easy to use in some cases.
>
> I don't think the HP49G is more powerful than for example TI-89
(flames
> go to /dev/null ... :-) )
It depends of what you call powerful.
True that the TI89 has a more powerful C.P.U but do you know that the
TI89 is slower than a 6 Mhz Z80 TI86 slowdowned by RAM bankswitching for
number crunching and basic speed ?
I have some benchmarks if you are interested.
For example For k,1,1000:Endfor runs in 17 s on a TI89 in approx mode
and in 5 s on a TI86.
Perhaps that if TI completely rewrite and strongly optimise the TI-OS it
will be able to produce a TI89 capable to blow away the HP49 but why TI
will do that as its main target is high school students ?
Unless someone else completely rewrite the TI-OS you will never see a
TI89 capable to blow away the HP49.
And about this utopic project let me just underline that TI plan to
release a SDK and ASM support in January 2000.
The question is not that HP has not enough money the question is why HP
will spend a lot of money on a no-profitable sector ?
I am sure that HP was ready to screw up its calculator departement.
I am also sure that HP has let a last chance to its calculator
departement to show that they can produce a calc which can make HP earn
some bunks there.
Calculator like the HP48GX are very nice but they are very bad for the
business.
Do you know that even the bulky TI92 has almost killed the HP48 market
in France ?
Now about the C.P.U:
How many time will it take to devellop a full new OS on a new C.P.U ?
It has taken TI almost 5 years to release the TI-OS whom parts have been
released by third parties companies.
It has taken 5 years to TI to produce a craspy OS !
How many time would the A.C.O have needed to produce a quality OS on a
whole new C.P.U very different from the SATURN 3,4,5 years ?
Do you think that HP would have accepted to finance such a project ?
Of course not especially when it would do no profits but perhaps lose
money during this time.
About speeding up the SATURN:
Why for ?
The goal is to reach the best performances possibles with it and it is
what the A.C.O has reached with the HP49.
About the impact of the actual work:
Yes the OS will have to be rewritten for a new C.P.U except if this
C.P.U is an evolution of the SATURN like the 68020 for the 68010.
Also they will already something to begin with even if it is a
completely different C.P.U.
>
> I understand that you like the new calc and everybody has a right to
> express his/her opinion. But on the other hand thinking of other
> people's opnions as 'stupid bashings' is quite unfair. Addressing your
> interlocutors with 'not bright' adjective also doesn't seem to be
> pleasant.
>
> Robert
>
Because you think that all these attacks agaisnt the A.C.O and the new
HP were nice ?
No they were crasppy.
They are a few ones who have done clever and constructive critics on
this new HP but for the majority it was mindless bashing.
Because of that i was very angry when i have posted this message so
perhaps i have been a bit too far.
Robert Tomanek
>
> In article <374ACACE...@in.com.pl>,
> Robert Tomanek <sl...@in.com.pl> wrote:
> >
>
> > > Despite all your stupid bashings i am sure that the HP49G will be a
> > > suceessful tool because it is far more powerful than the competitors
> > > and it is as easy to use and more easy to use in some cases.
> >
> > I don't think the HP49G is more powerful than for example TI-89
> (flames
> > go to /dev/null ... :-) )
>
> It depends of what you call powerful.
> True that the TI89 has a more powerful C.P.U but do you know that the
> TI89 is slower than a 6 Mhz Z80 TI86 slowdowned by RAM bankswitching for
> number crunching and basic speed ?
> I have some benchmarks if you are interested.
> For example For k,1,1000:Endfor runs in 17 s on a TI89 in approx mode
> and in 5 s on a TI86.
Seems strange to me but I don't have a TI89 to conduct the test so I
have to believe. Have you ever seen any demos on Amiga500 (its CPU clock
is 7.14 MHz instead of 10MHz in TI89)? I know there are Blitter and
Copper but the CPU has to do quite a big job anyway.
> Perhaps that if TI completely rewrite and strongly optimise the TI-OS it
> will be able to produce a TI89 capable to blow away the HP49 but why TI
> will do that as its main target is high school students ?
> Unless someone else completely rewrite the TI-OS you will never see a
> TI89 capable to blow away the HP49.
I think rewriting the TI OS is the near future. Thinking that the best
programmers in the world are using HPs is naive. If Hewlett-Packard
doesn't develop a real calculator lots of HP users will switch to TIs.
And don't get me wrong: I know the HP49G was a step forward but the step
was not as big as the majority of us had expected it to be.
> And about this utopic project let me just underline that TI plan to
> release a SDK and ASM support in January 2000.
That seems to be the greatest problem with TIs, I agree. And if
Hewlett-Packard will not have released (sorry for my English...) a *new*
calculator by this time I will buy a TI.
If they don't want to produce and develop new calculators they should
just say it - then I would know I shouldn't wait any longer and buy a
TI...
> I am sure that HP was ready to screw up its calculator departement.
> I am also sure that HP has let a last chance to its calculator
> departement to show that they can produce a calc which can make HP earn
> some bunks there.
> Calculator like the HP48GX are very nice but they are very bad for the
> business.
Do you think the new FHB color ( :-) ) will make the HPs more
profitable? Just kidding...
> Do you know that even the bulky TI92 has almost killed the HP48 market
> in France ?
TI92 was a success because it's more user-friendly than HPs.
> Now about the C.P.U:
> How many time will it take to devellop a full new OS on a new C.P.U ?
The amount of time is a function of three variables : quantity of
programmers the HP would employ, their skills and their salaries...
> It has taken TI almost 5 years to release the TI-OS whom parts have been
> released by third parties companies.
> It has taken 5 years to TI to produce a craspy OS !
> How many time would the A.C.O have needed to produce a quality OS on a
> whole new C.P.U very different from the SATURN 3,4,5 years ?
> Do you think that HP would have accepted to finance such a project ?
Why not? It's their own business.
> Of course not especially when it would do no profits but perhaps lose
> money during this time.
>
> About speeding up the SATURN:
> Why for ?
Because it's inefficient when compared with other processors. Why can't
the HP use 68020@14MHz + 68882? ARM? Alpha 21262?
> The goal is to reach the best performances possibles with it and it is
> what the A.C.O has reached with the HP49.
>
> About the impact of the actual work:
> Yes the OS will have to be rewritten for a new C.P.U except if this
> C.P.U is an evolution of the SATURN like the 68020 for the 68010.
It would be great if that's the case!
> Also they will already something to begin with even if it is a
> completely different C.P.U.
This is really strange if the new OS for HP49G was developed in asm
language.
> >
> > I understand that you like the new calc and everybody has a right to
> > express his/her opinion. But on the other hand thinking of other
> > people's opnions as 'stupid bashings' is quite unfair. Addressing your
> > interlocutors with 'not bright' adjective also doesn't seem to be
> > pleasant.
> >
> > Robert
> >
>
> Because you think that all these attacks agaisnt the A.C.O and the new
> HP were nice?
They were (in most cases...) polite. Or at least not as impolite as your
opinion was.
> No they were crasppy.
> They are a few ones who have done clever and constructive critics on
> this new HP but for the majority it was mindless bashing.
> Because of that i was very angry when i have posted this message so
> perhaps i have been a bit too far.
>
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> ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---
Robert
Freedom
wrote:
>That seems to be the greatest problem with TIs, I agree. And if
>Hewlett-Packard will not have released (sorry for my English...) a *new*
>calculator by this time I will buy a TI.
You have excellent English, especially when compared to many
Americans! Be proud of that fact, and ignore a few mistakes. I promise
that my French (or any other non-English language) is far worse than
your English. BTW, I think that the verb you were looking for was "has
released."
Keith Farmer
wrote:
>That seems to be the greatest problem with TIs, I agree. And if
>Hewlett-Packard will not have released (sorry for my English...) a *new*
>calculator by this time I will buy a TI.
Freedom wrote:
> your English. BTW, I think that the verb you were looking for was "has
> released."
Robert:
Do note that Freedom's suggestion would mean the 49's is the calculator
is the "*new* calculator". For the sake of your wording, you would want
"if HP has not released a ..."
Marchel
>
> you mean TI currently has a better model than any of
> HP's? which one?
Just compare out of the box TI89 with HP48GX
> Very Nice Guy (Pacific Version)
> Singapore
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> Every dark cloud has a silver lining, but
> lightning kills hundreds of people each year
> who are trying to find it.
> ---------------------------------------------
> not original by VNG, but i think it's cool
Jack
Steve Simpkin
following: HP25, HP11C, HP28C, HP28S, and an HP48SX. With each machine I
was more and more impressed. From what I have seen on the HP49G and its
specs, all I can say is tell me where I can buy one. I will be the first
in line.
To all the people complaining about the color, the lack of IR, the rubber
keys, etc. I am sorry you did not get the items you yourself wanted, but
any product HP or anyone makes has to be extremely competitive in today's
market and appeal to many many people. Don't judge the product prematurely
before you even try it. Your knee-jerk negative reaction will only serve
to depress the many fine people who worked on this product.
Sincerely,
Steve Simpkin
sasq...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I have never seen such childish posts since i am in the caculator
> community.
> How can you bash at this point a calculator that you have not even
> tried ?
> Who of you HP49 bashers was at the OpenHP ?
> Who of you have tried or even seen a HP49 ?
>
> The HP49G is a fantastic tool and will be from far the most powerful
> calculator on the market for the next year.
> I am even sure that the only calc which will be able to be beat the
> HP49G will be the next HP.
>
> Despite all your stupid bashings i am sure that the HP49G will be a
> suceessful tool because it is far more powerful than the competitors
> and it is as easy to use and more easy to use in some cases.
>
> Also if you are not bright enough to understand that the HP49G is the
> only chance that we have to see one day the ultra calculator you expect
> then i am really sorry for you.
>
> Why ?
> Because developping a HP58 would require a lot of money and it is sure
> that HP wouldn't be able to do some profits on such tool.
> Do you think that calculators such HP48 are good for the business ?
> By produceing a calc like the HP49G HP can do some bunks as well as
> providing a temporary although very powerful successor to the HP48.
> Then with the profits done with the HP49G,HP will be able to develop a
> full new C.P.U for its future calculators.
> Also i am sure that the incredible job done on the HP49 OS will be very
> useful for the OS of the next HP calculator especially considering the
> interface and the C.A.S.
>
> Now to the A.C.O:
>
> My hat off !
> You have done a fantastic job !
> Don't let you discourage by all these stupids bashing and keep up the
> good work !
>
> To Bernard Parisse:
>
> My congratulations !
> Your C.A.S is one of the most powerful i have never seen and is truly
> and from far the most powerful never implemented on a calculator.
> I just hope that one day everyone will recognize your talent and the
> quality of your work.
>
> Now bashers i am ready:
> My name is Timité Hassan and my E-mail is:
> Sasq...@hotmail.com
>
> and i give my full support to the A.C.O !
>
Steve
TinyWanda wrote in message
<19990526204551...@ng-fp1.aol.com>...
>THIS IS NOT ( NOT ) AN APOLOGY...!!!
>
>but...
>i would like to make it clear that i have been reading most of
these posts with
>a fair amount of attention, and the 'inner-guts' of the
allegedly new HP49g do
>seem farily impressive...
>if the device works better and faster than the 48, then good of
it...!
>
>but IF IT REALLY REALLY REALLY IS...a superiour machine, that
>should/would/could stand on it's own four feet as an autonomous
calculator...
>
>THEN WHY...does it look just like a TI generation type
calculator?
>
>the problem seems to be that the 'design team' ( whereever the
hell ( literally
>) they're from ) is very insecure and has a really poor
self-esteem
>problem...???
>
>it's making me crazy...!!!
The reason to me is quite simple. The marketplace is fickle,among
other things. The TI is 'successful'. When people see the new
HP, they will 'think' "Ah, i've seen that before" Rather, they
will not HAVE TO THINK. That will appeal to them immensely. Lucky
for us we can flip the flag and go back into RPN, THAT's HP, but
it's HP meeting a market that has no time or inclination to
demand a better product and will not acknowledge anything too
unfamiliar. Remember, "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man
is King."
SteveB
VeryNiceGuy (Pacific)
>
...> It is not competing. It is trying to catch up :-)
>
> Jack
you mean TI currently has a better model than any of
HP's? which one?
--
TinyWanda
but...
i would like to make it clear that i have been reading most of these posts with
a fair amount of attention, and the 'inner-guts' of the allegedly new HP49g do
seem farily impressive...
if the device works better and faster than the 48, then good of it...!
but IF IT REALLY REALLY REALLY IS...a superiour machine, that
should/would/could stand on it's own four feet as an autonomous calculator...
THEN WHY...does it look just like a TI generation type calculator?
the problem seems to be that the 'design team' ( whereever the hell ( literally
) they're from ) is very insecure and has a really poor self-esteem
problem...???
it's making me crazy...!!! ( more than usual, A LOT more than the usual amount
)
( but i still hate the French for a variety of other reasons )
TinyWanda
wrote:
>That seems to be the greatest problem with TIs, I agree. And if
>Hewlett-Packard will not have released (sorry for my English...) a *new*
>calculator by this time I will buy a TI.
You have excellent English, especially when compared to many
Americans! Be proud of that fact, and ignore a few mistakes. I promise
that my French (or any other non-English language) is far worse than
your English. BTW, I think that the verb you were looking for was "has
released."
------------------------------------:: o
the first version was correct.
TinyWanda
unfamiliar. Remember, "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man
is King."
in the real world, the one eyed man in a land of the blind is usually burned as
a witch.
Steve
TinyWanda wrote in message
<19990527050049...@ng-fz1.aol.com>...
>demand a better product and will not acknowledge anything too
>unfamiliar. Remember, "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed
man
>is King."
>---------------------:: o
>in the real world, the one eyed man in a land of the blind is
usually burned as
>a witch.
Ah yes, and isn't that what pretty much happened to the 48 in the
marketplace? That's why something like the 49 had to me made.
TRUTH IS STRANGER THAN FICTION.
SteveB
Bruce Horrocks
> ( but i still hate the French for a variety of other reasons )
Do you have a GSM cellular phone by any chance?
TinyWanda
> ( but i still hate the French for a variety of other reasons )
Do you have a GSM cellular phone by any chance?
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i was thinking more along the lines of Post Nuclear Treaty testing of
superfluous Nuclear weaspons, and that debacle with Joan of Arc, who some have
argued was perhaps the greatest person ever to have lived...
( ...& been noted historically )
Bruce Horrocks
>
> TinyWanda wrote:
> > ( but i still hate the French for a variety of other reasons )
>
> Do you have a GSM cellular phone by any chance?
> ---------------------:: o
> i was thinking more along the lines of Post Nuclear Treaty testing of
> superfluous Nuclear weaspons, and that debacle with Joan of Arc, who some have
> argued was perhaps the greatest person ever to have lived...
>
> ( ...& been noted historically )
Ah. I see what you're getting at. Blowing-up Greenpeace ships etc. Well we
[our respective nations] all have blemished records to one degree or another.
The longer the period of recorded history the worse it is likely to be.
Actually, I mentioned it because GSM is another French invention. Groupe
Systeme Mobile was the name given to the industry organisation set up to
define the standard. A couple of years back GSM was "redefined" as an English
acronym (I've forgotten what now) ostensibly for marketing reasons. Namely:
yanks won't buy something that is obviously foreign so rename it and then they will.
Regards,
--
Bruce Horrocks
Hampshire
England
b...@granby.demon.co.uk
Harold Climer
<b...@granby.demon.co.uk> wrote:
. Namely:
>yanks won't buy something that is obviously foreign so rename it and then they will.
>
>Regards,
Not True. Many moons ago there was a little company in England called
Garrard. They made turn tables. Remember Long playing records? I have
had several and I still have one to play my extensive record
collection on. I also have a little device that mounts on the turn
table and sweeps up the dust out of the grooves before that portion of
the record get to the needle. Made in England.
I wonder where all the Toyota and Nissans are coming from on
American roads. I do not think the Japanese have given them to their
owners.
Harold A. Climer
Lab Instructor
Dept.Of Physics & Astronomy
U. Tennessee at Chattanooga