ROM of HP48
Jean-Roger CONDAT
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Jean-Roger CONDAT <con...@ifrance.com> wrote in message
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Grant D. Watson
>legal...
Has HP released the 48 ROM into the public domain? I know that they provide
emulator ROMs for the 49, but if they haven't released the copyright on the 48
ROMs, they're still illegal to download.
Grant D. Watson
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Jean-Yves Avenard
has been released) that it was now okay to distribute the ROM
Jean-Yves
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Steve Sousa
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> A marketing decision has been made a few months ago (when the HP39/40G ROM
> has been released) that it was now okay to distribute the ROM
>
> Jean-Yves
Sad to see that "marketing" is now the holder of hp intelectual property.
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pagala
;)
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
:-)
Please ?
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Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
"Steve Sousa" <gets...@mail.ua.pt> wrote in message
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> "Jean-Yves Avenard" <j...@NOSPAMbigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:trr_5.19452$xW4.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > A marketing decision has been made a few months ago (when the HP39/40G
ROM
> > has been released) that it was now okay to distribute the ROM
> >
> > Jean-Yves
>
> Sad to see that "marketing" is now the holder of hp intelectual property.
yep! The Marketdroids have now the control over everything!
I wish they could release the Yorke schematics & VHDL design
at least with signed agreement to our hardware programming specialist
so that they could bring out our own fine tuned Nep-Tune CPU
with the features that are missing while retaining the compatibility
(I want HW mul & a wider bus, maybe 32-bit addressing,
deeper return stack more registers, etc.) and HP would outsource
even the manifacturing and with a much lower voltage and line thickness....
The possible HP solution, you marketdroids can showel into Ur-Anus !
VPN, opinions taken with a metric ton of sugar
(instead of a grain of salt)
Jean-Yves Avenard
You're not happy with this decision ??
As-if, giving away the ROM would make HP loose its intellectual property.
As it's very easy to retrieve it anyway, I don't get your point
Jean-Yves
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Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
Now: How about ALL the sources & internal docs
and the Yorke VHDL & main board schematics, etc..
Everything "NetScaped" !!!
:-) :-) :-)
VPN
PS: Can you persuade BP to respect the Angle mode¨
user flag settings now that he has all the room for CAS.
Possible with invisible switch to Rad & back
and automatic conversion or args & results....
"Jean-Yves Avenard" <j...@NOSPAMbigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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James M. Prange
In article <3a3b...@news.vip.fi>,
I didn't see anything about placing the ROM in the public domain, so I
expect that they didn't give up any property rights.
Unless I'm mistaken, HP is chartered as a "for profit" corporation, so
HP's management wouldn't be doing it's job if it didn't consider the
market when it made decisions.
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Steen Schmidt
> user flag settings now that he has all the room for CAS.
> Possible with invisible switch to Rad & back
> and automatic conversion or args & results....
A crude way of doing this would be to place ^SAVECASFLAGS and
^RESTORECASFLAGS at either end of the general CAS command handler (whatever
code that may be, and if it exist in that way). Then a small check if one
really _wanted_ to change some flags, if so do not restore flags.
This is probably not possible, or else he would've done it.
Regards
Steen
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
I disagree with you ! Bernard surely can do this,
but it may require work on every trig related fn !
A LOT OF WORK !
But I think it's worth it.
Do you think it's worth it?
Parisse, please step up and confirm that it's "easy"
to do !!
Other opinions ?
regards
Veli-Pekka
"Steen Schmidt" <SSch...@nospam.dk> wrote in message
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Steen Schmidt
I think not, read below :-)
> Bernard surely can do this,
> but it may require work on every trig related fn !
> A LOT OF WORK !
Yes, I meant that the solution I proposed probably wasn't possible. It would
be so simple that he'd done it a long time ago then. I'm sure he can do it -
it's just a question of time and money.
> But I think it's worth it.
> Do you think it's worth it?
Absolutely.
Regards
Steen
ToddEStan
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Michael Gährken
> Does that include the 48S Rom? Anyplace I could pick that one up?
48GX:
<http://wrc-1022.wrc.rice.edu/hp48/pc/emulators/gxrom-m.zip> Revision M
<http://wrc-1022.wrc.rice.edu/hp48/pc/emulators/gxrom-p.zip> Revision P
<http://wrc-1022.wrc.rice.edu/hp48/pc/emulators/gxrom-r.zip> Revision R
48SX:
<http://wrc-1022.wrc.rice.edu/hp48/pc/emulators/sxrom-d.zip> Revision D
<http://wrc-1022.wrc.rice.edu/hp48/pc/emulators/sxrom-e.zip> Revision E
<http://wrc-1022.wrc.rice.edu/hp48/pc/emulators/sxrom-j.zip> Revision J
Greetings
Michael
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Steve Sousa
> Why.
>
> You're not happy with this decision ??
>
> As-if, giving away the ROM would make HP loose its intellectual property.
> As it's very easy to retrieve it anyway, I don't get your point
>
> Jean-Yves
>
> "Steve Sousa" <gets...@mail.ua.pt> wrote in message
> news:91e7ra$ivv$1...@venus.telepac.pt...
property.
I'm very happy, i just think that it should be a *management* decision not
*marketing*, it's the feeling that everthing is decided *by* marketing
instead of *based on* them. That's it. My statement doesn't imply anywhere
that hp is loosing or could loose it's intelectual property by releasing the
rom!
As we all know, as long as they don't *explicitly* give up that right(which
they won't nor anyone wants them too) they'll keep it. I was just refering
to the shift in the department that has control over it.
ToddEStan
Todd
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
> > I disagree with you!
>
> I think not, read below :-)
> > Bernard surely can do this,
> > but it may require work on every trig related fn !
> > A LOT OF WORK !
>
> Yes, I meant that the solution I proposed probably wasn't possible. It
would
> be so simple that he'd done it a long time ago then. I'm sure he can do
it -
> it's just a question of time and money.
My english understanding seems to get worse :-(
> > But I think it's worth it.
> > Do you think it's worth it?
>
> Absolutely.
:):):):):)
> Regards
> Steen
rgrds, Vl-Pkk
Tom Gutman
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deciding what is an angle. Consider:
EXP(X) -- is X an angle?
EXP(i*X) -- is X an angle?
EXP(a*X) -- is X an angle?
a is known to be 1 -- is X an angle?
a is known to be i -- is X an angle?
a is known to be 1+i -- is X an angle?
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Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
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PS: I already suggested using units in EQW
to distinguish angles
(including a new _2PIr angle unit [PI=Greek pi])
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EXP(X_r)
> EXP(i*X) -- is X an angle?
EXP(i*X_o)
> EXP(a*X) -- is X an angle?
EXP(a*X_2PIr) @ [PI=Greek pi]
> a is known to be 1 -- is X an angle?
> a is known to be i -- is X an angle?
> a is known to be 1+i -- is X an angle?
a is known to be 1_grad -- is X an angle?
;-)
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
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>
>
>
>
Wayne Brown
released, but disappointment that it was a marketing decision. If
that's what he meant, I agree with him. Some of us prefer the days when
engineers made the important decisions.
Marketing, of course, should handle the really tough decisions, such as
"What font should we use on the retail package?"
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Jean-Yves Avenard
pushing really hard to have these ROMs released.
I'm very happy about this decision as I strongly believe that trying an HP4x
before you effectively buy it, is the best way to know that HP calculators
are the best in the world.
Not everybody can afford to loose $180 on a bet.
Jean-Yves
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Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
> Let say that they probably took this decision because you had engineer
> pushing really hard to have these ROMs released.
THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU
> I'm very happy about this decision as I strongly believe that trying an
HP4x
> before you effectively buy it, is the best way to know that HP calculators
> are the best in the world.
> Not everybody can afford to loose $180 on a bet.
Now - I bet you a HP calculator
(Do you already have an HP 71B)
that you cannot push the HP OS
to an *open source* Linux style OS !!!
Of course the official ROMs
would still come through you.
Wonna take the bite of this bet !
> Jean-Yves
X
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen,
ready to push back the stopped TI-Borgs
PS: I can't figure out the correct syntax for CASE
in 49G HPBASIC, 40G is ok...
Steve Sousa
> released, but disappointment that it was a marketing decision. If
> that's what he meant, I agree with him. Some of us prefer the days when
> engineers made the important decisions.
>
> Marketing, of course, should handle the really tough decisions, such as
> "What font should we use on the retail package?"
That's what i meant! :-)
Steve Sousa
> Let say that they probably took this decision because you had engineer
> pushing really hard to have these ROMs released.
Thank you. Keep pushing.... ;-)
Carlos Marangon
but on another reasons also. Maybe marketing was the main
reason.
I am very happy with the realease of the HP48 ROM.
Was gone that days when users was forced to spent hours and hours
making ROM dump. Or looking for the ROM in sites without find nothing.
Or send emails to me or to other site owners asking for the ROM and
we be forced to say, I cant send you the ROM because it is prohibited.
Users Guide is available there are few months and now HP48 ROM is also
available.
Now people can test HP48 emulators and HP49 emulators and choose the
calculator they wish.( well, I said it already 5 times, I think:-))
It was a good decision from HP release the HP48 ROM.
It was to me most important than realease the XPANDER.
In article <91tpfp$cdc$3...@venus.telepac.pt>,
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Wayne Brown
see that sensible people at HP still have some input into the decisions
there.
Wayne