Dissapointed with HP and ACO team
tag48
for this ACO team.
When these people first thought of making the new generation of HP
calculators, they should've realized that there are perhaps thousands of
hp48 fanatics that won't change the hp48 for nothing, unless a new one with
only some improvements (the few that could be done). A calculator better
than hp48 doesn't exist, perhaps it never will, they should have known this.
If they had asked any hp48 user what to expect of a new calculator, I guess
I talk for all of us, that we just expected a new calculator, that looked
the same, and had some little improvements as more speed, and data storage,
and maybe JYA's Metakernel. Nobody wants a trendy calculator these weird
arrow keys (like TI's). I think this calculator shouldn't have been named
HP48G, because I dont think is any better than the HP48. for now and on.
I'll keep my good old hp48 and wait for the 58. I hope HP gives this project
(HP58) to people that really know why we love so much the hp48, and I hope
they decide to do just little improvements of the hp48 on further realises
of hp calculators.
Matthew Mastracci
have a flashable ROM area where I can put Java, ALG48 and other useful
tools instead.
I agree that we don't want something trendy, but I think HP tried to
target a different audience, rather than professionals.
--
/\/\att /\/\astracci mmas...@ucalgary.ca
"The act of breaking into a computer system has to have the same social
stigma as breaking into a neighbor's house. It should not matter that
the
neighbor's door is unlocked." [Ken Thompson, 1983 Turing Award Lecture]
John King
We could go into a long discussion about why HP is consumerizing it's
calculators, but I think it is simply a market whose time has past. It no
longer makes economic sense to make a super calculator. Not with cheap PCs
and PDAs everywhere.
Keith Farmer
> longer makes economic sense to make a super calculator. Not with cheap
Because nobody makes Mathematica in a handheld form yet? The HP's the
closest I've seen, the TI four-handed beast notwithstanding.
Harold Climer
>I guess that making a calculator better than the 48g/gx, was way too tough
>for this ACO team.
>When these people first thought of making the new generation of HP
>calculators, they should've realized that there are perhaps thousands of
>hp48 fanatics that won't change the hp48 for nothing, unless a new one with
>only some improvements (the few that could be done). A calculator better
>than hp48 doesn't exist, perhaps it never will, they should have known this.
>If they had asked any hp48 user what to expect of a new calculator, I guess
>I talk for all of us, that we just expected a new calculator, that looked
>the same, and had some little improvements as more speed, and data storage,
>and maybe JYA's Metakernel. Nobody wants a trendy calculator these weird
>arrow keys (like TI's). I think this calculator shouldn't have been named
>HP48G, because I dont think is any better than the HP48. for now and on.
>I'll keep my good old hp48 and wait for the 58. I hope HP gives this project
>(HP58) to people that really know why we love so much the hp48, and I hope
>they decide to do just little improvements of the hp48 on further realises
>of hp calculators.
>
>
>tag48
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I do not know about you folks,but if I was still going out in
the field like I used to ( My legs etc. are getting to old for that
kind of stuff now ), I would rather have a tough "Super Calculator"
than even the smallest notebook. Also I have yet to see a PDA that has
all the potential that the HP48GX has with all the third party
software available. Windows is another story too. Give me the days
when HP made calculators like tanks ( HP41 series for example)
Harold A. Climer
Lab Instructor
Dept.Of Physics & Astronomy
U. Tennessee at Chattanooga
julien meyer
Please, stop these ** stupid ** messages as now.
I sew the official HP49G presentation by Bernard Parisse
and I truely think that this calculator kick ass !!
The work made on the 49 Rom is awesome.. I'm scrared.
Again, please wait for the final product, just then we will talk around it.
regards,
Julien Meyer
http://sunhp.zoy.org
tag48 a écrit dans le message ...
Jonathan Chum
a hoax didn't even goto the meeting in France. Just wait until it
comes out, then we can do the real math =) on this Hp49G.
Kenyon Ralph
> The work made on the 49 Rom is awesome.. I'm scrared. Again, please wait
> for the final product, just then we will talk around it.
Why is HP even letting all this stuff about their new calculator be
released? They never do that with any new product. How do you explain
that?
--
Kenyon Ralph | ken...@san.rr.com | http://home.san.rr.com/ralphs
Monique Pulluard
Kenyon Ralph wrote:
It can easily be explained by stating that only stupid people never change
their mind.
More seriously, the HP49G won't be available before the second half of August.
That's too close to the beginning of the academic year for HP to be
comfortable : usually, as a rule of thumb, a new calculator should be
available by June at the latest to get any consideration by students in August
or September. Since HP-ACO couldn't meet the June deadline (and nobody could
blame them for that !) I believe that did the next best thing they could, let
the world know that the HP49G is real and will be alive and kicking by the new
academic session.
Does that explins it, or at least sound reasonable ?...
Carlos Bazzarella
Casio has recently announced Maple WinCE on a handheld !!!
Carlos.
John King
An interesting factor in the mix, and indicates the awesome power in many
PDAs. Wince is not a joke though it's a cycle sucker for sure.
All we need is a virtual keyboard with force feedback.
Carlos Bazzarella wrote in message <374997...@poliplus.com>...
Keith Farmer
> Carlos Bazzarella wrote in message <374997...@poliplus.com>...
> >Keith Farmer wrote:
> >> Because nobody makes Mathematica in a handheld form yet? The HP's the
> >> closest I've seen, the TI four-handed beast notwithstanding.
> >
> >Casio has recently announced Maple WinCE on a handheld !!!
URL? Specs?
KJ
Keith Farmer wrote in message <3749E197...@pacbell.net>...
You read it right, buddy! Maple on WinCE...
http://www.casio.com/corporate/pressdetail.cfm?ID=87
Here's a quote from the above URL...
"Maple for Windows CE represents the next generation of tools for
mathematics education with which students can experiment and learn, anytime
and anywhere. Unlike other graphing calculators, the functionality of Maple
for Windows CE can be expanded easily. New pedagogic materials and Maple
code developed by education using Maple V on a desktop PC can be easily
added to Maple for Windows CE. It is a learning tool that can be expanded
and transformed into a productivity tool as students move through the
curriculum and then into the workplace."
Also comes with the usual WinCE features...
"Microsoft Pocket Word, Microsoft Pocket Excel, Microsoft Pocket Outlook,
Microsoft Pocket Internet Explorer, Microsoft Pocket PowerPoint, Windows CE
Services 2.0, Calculator, "Help" System, Remote Networking, Terminal,
Welcome and Solitaire are other features of the unit. "
Disclaimer...
I do not speak for Casio or HP.
KJ
Carlos Bazzarella
>
> Keith Farmer wrote in message <3749E197...@pacbell.net>...
> >
> >> Carlos Bazzarella wrote in message <374997...@poliplus.com>...
> >> >Keith Farmer wrote:
> >> >> Because nobody makes Mathematica in a handheld form yet? The HP's the
> >> >> closest I've seen, the TI four-handed beast notwithstanding.
> >> >
> >> >Casio has recently announced Maple WinCE on a handheld !!!
> >
> >URL? Specs?
>
> You read it right, buddy! Maple on WinCE...
I must point out that this will cost a lot more than a calculator
and the software will be sold separately, so the final price will
go up even higher.
As far as I know, Maple CE won't be ready until Y2K (that's Year 2000
for you non-abbreviated-friendly folks :) It will also ONLY work
on HPC and HPC Pro machines. Quite a mistake since the big ticket is
in the Palm sized PC form factor (hint, hint; hint of things to come).
Carlos.
Keith Farmer
Carlos Bazzarella wrote:
> I must point out that this will cost a lot more than a calculator
> and the software will be sold separately, so the final price will
> go up even higher.
I'd read that. My interest dropped quickly.
Marchel
>
> I must point out that this will cost a lot more than a calculator
> and the software will be sold separately, so the final price will
> go up even higher.
You know, 80 MHz 32 bit RISC CPU, 320 x 200 Active matrix 16 bit deep
color screen with backlight, 8 MB of RAM, Wordprocessor, Organizer,
powerfull spreadsheet and fast communication with e-mail and PC
does not come cheap. It is "almost" twice as expensive as my 48G with
"stellar" 4 bit 4 MHz Saturn, 32 kB RAM and "outstanding" liquid crystal
display" of a quality of display seen only in $1 watches.
Jack
Carlos Bazzarella
I know, I know but the machine is too big to compete with a calculator
but then again you can get almost the exact hardware specs in a Palm
sized PC shape for about as much as a high end calculator costs...
Maybe about good discussion thread would be : "What would you prefer;
the new HP 49 (or future calc) or the HP 420 (Jornada Color Palm sized
PC) with appropriate software ?"
Carlos.
>
> Jack
Marchel
>
> I know, I know but the machine is too big to compete with a calculator
> but then again you can get almost the exact hardware specs in a Palm
> sized PC shape for about as much as a high end calculator costs...
Are you kidding ? It's smaller than current HP48GX
> Maybe about good discussion thread would be : "What would you prefer;
> the new HP 49 (or future calc) or the HP 420 (Jornada Color Palm sized
> PC) with appropriate software ?"
Jornada by far.
>
> Carlos.
Jack
Jean-Yves Avenard
I don't like also the numeric keypad
Jean-Yves
Carlos Bazzarella <cba...@poliplus.com> wrote in message
news:374BF9...@poliplus.com...
Peter Khor
>I HATE the position of the ENTER key on the HP Jornada 420 :)
>
>I don't like also the numeric keypad
>
>> PC) with appropriate software ?"
But seriously ...
I had Emu48 loaded on my 420 (when I still had it), and unfortunately the
320x240 screen doesn't cut it to represent a whole bunch of keys, plus a
display. The BIGGER problem is the terrible performance of the 420 (imo) -
due exclusively to the SH3 slow-down "feature" - fyi the emu speed on it is
a slower than an actual 48GX (have the emu speed figures somewhere). Sold
my 420 after a month of use.
Also tried Emu48 on the newer Jornada 680, much better - but my current Emu
use is on a mobilon pro PV-5000 with a 630x480 graphics - and it really
works VERY well and FAST! (IR transfer to and from my 48GX, no problems).
I'm dying to try out the emu's on the Hitachi and Fujitsu slate CE's when
they become available, and of course the Casio E-105 when my order is
shipped.
Nice thing about Emulators is that IF you don't like the position of any key
(hmmm ... where's the "any key" ;-) ), it's fairly easy to redesign the
graphics and remap any key.
BUT - back to real use, battery life is THE problem, and worse still the
lack of any physical feedback of a real keyboard vs. a touch screen (or at
least until force-fields (sci-fi) are a reality). I have a nasty habit of
running my fingers idly around my 48GX keys as I ponder the problem at
hand - anyone else does this, or is it a fetish of sorts? ;-)
Peter Khor