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Hans Joachim Klotz

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Jan 29, 2003, 2:36:39 PM1/29/03
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Hello,
maybe I'm stupid, I have HP49G for 5 days.
To convert a value with units (8 m to ? mm) I need 7 steps by HP48GX.

To convert a value with units (8 m to ? mm) I need 21 steps by HP49G.

In RPN mode I must carry out by HP49G.

8;
arrow right;
minus;
alpha;
arrow left;
m;
Enter;
1;
arrow right;
minus;
alpha;
arrow left;
m;
alpha;
arrow left;
m;
Enter;
arrow right;
units;
OK;
OK;

RESULT 8000 mm.

Is that true? Or make I mistakes?

Hans Joachim (.de)

Kickaha

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Jan 29, 2003, 5:43:32 PM1/29/03
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"Hans Joachim Klotz" <hans.joac...@macnews.de> ha scritto nel
messaggio news:20030129203...@news.t-online.de...

> Hello,
> maybe I'm stupid, I have HP49G for 5 days.
> To convert a value with units (8 m to ? mm) I need 7 steps by HP48GX.
>
> To convert a value with units (8 m to ? mm) I need 21 steps by HP49G.
>
> In RPN mode I must carry out by HP49G.

Sorry I can't really understand... do you use HP49G in RPN? If so converting
should be simple...
8
RightShift-6 (UNITS)
F2 (LENGTH)
F1 (m)
LeftShift-F3 (mm)
You have the correct result on the stack

Maybe I haven't understood the question.. if so my apologies... try to
explain in other words...
Regards,
Kickaha


Roman Hartmann

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Jan 29, 2003, 5:50:20 PM1/29/03
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hello,
"Hans Joachim Klotz" <hans.joac...@macnews.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:20030129203...@news.t-online.de...

> Hello,
> maybe I'm stupid, I have HP49G for 5 days.
> To convert a value with units (8 m to ? mm) I need 7 steps by HP48GX.
>
> To convert a value with units (8 m to ? mm) I need 21 steps by HP49G.

There is a simpler way. Just add 0mm to 8m to get the meters converted to
mm.
This trick works also for other consistent units.

Regards Roman

Dave Ford

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Jan 29, 2003, 6:32:31 PM1/29/03
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Hans Joachim Klotz <hans.joac...@macnews.de> wrote in message news:<20030129203...@news.t-online.de>...

Depends from which menu you start:

From menu other than "Units":

arrow right;
6 (activate "Units" menu);
LENG (softkey);
8;
M (softkey);
arrow left;
mm (softkey);

(answer displayed)

thats 7 keystrokes. Of course if your machine already displays the
units menu, your keystrokes would reduce to 4.

Dont get discouraged

Wolfgang Rautenberg

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Jan 30, 2003, 4:59:50 AM1/30/03
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Hans Joachim Klotz wrote:
> maybe I'm stupid, I have HP49G for 5 days. To convert a value with > units (8 m to ? mm) I need 7 steps by > HP48GX. To convert a value > with units (8 m to ? mm) I need 21 steps by HP49G.

Avoid reading the 49-manual on units! It simply omits (!) the really
ingenious unit handling from the 48 and makes a sophisticated story of
all this. With my small library Unitman (which, of course, sets the RPN
mode in case the user forgets it :-) you can convert what you want in
just one leftshift key-stroke. And you can quite easily customize the
whole builtin units system to an European setting (or
even a German one, with German names of Unit directories, say :-).

Moreover, you can eliminate these various square-miles etc (without
loosing them). Your own user-defined units are handled as if they were
builtin, i.e., you can convert them with leftshift like the builtin
units on the 48, but now on the 49!

- Wolfgang

PS. Unitman is available for both, the 48 and the 49
ftp://ftp.math.fu-berlin.de/pub/usr/raut/HP49/science/

Al

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Jan 30, 2003, 6:42:01 AM1/30/03
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On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:59:50 +0100, Wolfgang Rautenberg <ra...@math.fu-
berlin.de> wrote:

> Avoid reading the 49-manual on units! It simply omits (!) the really
> ingenious unit handling from the 48 and makes a sophisticated story of
> all this. With my small library Unitman (which, of course, sets the RPN
> mode in case the user forgets it :-) you can convert what you want in

Hehe, good way to advertise your software.

Nice program by the way.


Is there something that can simplify (kg^2*m^4)/(A^3*s^6) to Wb/F without
thinking too much of what unit to convert to? Converting to SI base units
is easy, but sometimes trying to 'simplify' certain units proves difficult.
There has to be around this, no?


--
Al

Hans Joachim Klotz

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Jan 30, 2003, 12:04:09 PM1/30/03
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Following steps are neccesary by HP48.

8;
RightShift;
(6)Units;
LENG;
M;
LeftShift;
MM;

So I need 7 steps or in other words I must press the key for 7 times.

When I use the HP49G by RPN I don't understand your way.


1) 8; clear
2) RightShift; clear
3) 6 (UNITS); clear
4) F2 (LENGTH); I must go to Lenght by pressing key. It's the second in
the list
5) OK or ENTER;
6) M; I'm happy! it's the first in the list
7) OK or ENTER;

Now I have press the keys for 7 times and I in the middle of the
converting.

You wrote then:

LeftShift-F3 (mm) (You have the correct result on the stack)

I dont't undestand what you mean then, because after step 7) the unit
menü is closed.

Hans Joachim (.de)

F1 (
> m) LeftShift-F3 (mm) You have the correct result on the stack

Hans Joachim (.de)

In <b19lf6$qcs$1...@lacerta.tiscalinet.it> Kickaha wrote:
> "Hans Joachim Klotz" <hans.joac...@macnews.de> ha scritto nel
> messaggio news:20030129203...@news.t-online.de...
>> Hello,
>> maybe I'm stupid, I have HP49G for 5 days.
>> To convert a value with units (8 m to ? mm) I need 7 steps by HP48GX.
>>
>> To convert a value with units (8 m to ? mm) I need 21 steps by HP49G.
>>
>> In RPN mode I must carry out by HP49G.
>
> Sorry I can't really understand... do you use HP49G in RPN? If so
> converting should be simple... 8 RightShift-6 (UNITS) F2 (LENGTH) F1 (

> m) LeftShift-F3 (mm) You have the correct result on the stack

Hans Joachim Klotz

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Jan 30, 2003, 12:26:44 PM1/30/03
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I can use by HP49G for units the same mode as the HP48 mode by Flag 117.

I read this at the moment in the handbock!!

Hans Joachim (.de)

Baboo

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Jan 30, 2003, 4:28:57 PM1/30/03
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flag 117. Oh that is the best tip. thanks!

be sure to understand http://www.anti-matrix.net

Carsten Dominik

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Jan 31, 2003, 3:30:28 AM1/31/03
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>>>>> "s" == siral21 <Al> writes:

s> Is there something that can simplify (kg^2*m^4)/(A^3*s^6) to Wb/F without
s> thinking too much of what unit to convert to? Converting to SI base units
s> is easy, but sometimes trying to 'simplify' certain units proves difficult.
s> There has to be around this, no?

Yes, there are several libraries for this on hpcalc.org:

SIunits by Rubén Pérez is excellent. It does a fully automatic job,
but cannot be configured. So if you want speciific outcomes for
specific units, it may or may not work. For your example above, it
works.
http://ca-on.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=1619

XUNITS by Luis Morales Boisset allows to set your preferred units, and
also tried combinations of these preferred units.
http://ca-on.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=4651

Utool is a library with many tools for Units. One of the
commands is USIMP which needs to be configured, but gives you full
control over the outcome.
http://ca-on.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=4612

There is also a UserRPL program for this task by John H Meyers
http://ca-on.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=2911

Hope this helps

- Carsten

Kickaha

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Jan 31, 2003, 1:26:15 PM1/31/03
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"Hans Joachim Klotz" <hans.joac...@macnews.de> ha scritto nel
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>Something about units>

My apologies... I assumed you use HP49 in soft-menu mode, flag 117 set.

Anyway I see you already fixed that....

Regards, Kickaha


Bill Storey

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Jan 31, 2003, 5:48:32 PM1/31/03
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In article <20030129203...@news.t-online.de>, Hans Joachim Klotz
<hans.joac...@macnews.de> writes:

>8;
>arrow right;
>minus;
>alpha;
>arrow left;
>m;
>Enter;
>1;
>arrow right;
>minus;
>alpha;
>arrow left;
>m;
>alpha;
>arrow left;
>m;
>Enter;
>arrow right;
>units;
>OK;
>OK;
>
>RESULT 8000 mm.
>
>Is that true? Or make I mistakes?
>

Yes, 8m is 8000mm. You did not make a mistake.

Seriously, Nobody mentioned that you should set flag 117, "soft menu" to
restore HP48 softmenu key functionality. It should be intuitive from there.

Hope this helps,

Bill
Bill
alternate E-dress wtst...@ieee.org.no.spam.please
(Use the obvious)

Al

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Feb 2, 2003, 1:06:20 AM2/2/03
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On 31 Jan 2003 09:30:28 +0100, Carsten Dominik
<dominik@_DROP_THIS_science.uva.nl> wrote:

> Yes, there are several libraries for this on hpcalc.org:

Thank you for pointing out this overwhelming information.
It is much better being told what programs are convenient
for this task than searching and testing out many programs.


--
Al

Carsten Dominik

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Feb 3, 2003, 3:33:18 AM2/3/03
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I am superseeding my previous reply with a slightly changed version
because Eric asked me to use www.hpcalc.org for references, not
ca-on.hpcalc.org as I accidentally did.

>>>>> "s" == siral21 <Al> writes:

s> Is there something that can simplify (kg^2*m^4)/(A^3*s^6) to Wb/F without
s> thinking too much of what unit to convert to? Converting to SI base units
s> is easy, but sometimes trying to 'simplify' certain units proves difficult.
s> There has to be around this, no?

Yes, there are several libraries for this on hpcalc.org:

SIunits by Rubén Pérez is excellent. It does a fully automatic job,


but cannot be configured. So if you want speciific outcomes for
specific units, it may or may not work. For your example above, it
works.

http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=1619

XUNITS by Luis Morales Boisset allows to set your preferred units, and
also tried combinations of these preferred units.

http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=4651

Utool is a library with many tools for Units. One of the
commands is USIMP which needs to be configured, but gives you full
control over the outcome.

http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=4612

There is also a UserRPL program for this task by John H Meyers

http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=2911

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