New easter egg in ROM 1.19
Psy Coma
Atte...
PSY COMA
Jean-Yves Avenard escribió en mensaje <8ijo93$c4t$1...@web1.cup.hp.com>...
>Hello all.
>
>Just because nobody would have ever found it otherwise..
>
>In the EQW, type:
>MINEISBETTER, press the UP arrow key (to select the word) and press F6
>(simplify)
>
>Have fun
>Jean-Yves
>
>
>
Gregorio Muńoz
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El Beto
Psy Coma <psy_...@imaginativa.cl> wrote in message
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> Nothing happens... duh...
>
> Atte...
> PSY COMA
>
Yes, it happens... You can play it with the 4, 5 and 6.
--
Beto
erwin
CLEAR FLAG 100 ( step by step off )
Erwin
Bob Martin
(on my machine at least), you must type MINEISBETTER, press the UP arrow
key, PRESS ALPHA ONE MORE TIME TO DESELECT THE ALPHA STATE, then press F6.
No offense, but the simple matter of displaying an easter egg took 20
minutes of fooling around and a bunch of mental aggravation to figure out,
just like most everything else about this machine. I wonder what happens if
you type: "MINEISUNNECESSARILYCOMPLEXANDOBTUSEFORNOGOODREASON"?
(BTW, if you press F2 with this or anything else on the screen, the menu bar
goes away- prpbably useful if you want to make a screen dump of the EQW
image.)
Bob
erwin <emu...@westbrabant.net> wrote in message
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Steen S. Schmidt
>key, PRESS ALPHA ONE MORE TIME TO DESELECT THE ALPHA STATE, then press F6.
Ok. But I (and many others probably) didn't type it by locking alpha, but by
_holding_ alpha while typing. Of course F6 won't execute SIMPLIFY if alpha
is locked, but enter an "F" instead.
>(BTW, if you press F2 with this or anything else on the screen, the menu
bar
>goes away- prpbably useful if you want to make a screen dump of the EQW
>image.)
As the cursor mode should do ;-)
Regards
Steen
Psy Coma
Yeap... was the flag 100...
Atte...
PSY COMA
Jean-Yves Avenard
Ok, the manual may not be fully complete, but how to use the Equation Writer
is described in the manual.. Maybe you should read it first, then complain
about the easter eggs
You would learn that pressing F2 is made in order to select some part of the
equation (and you press ENTER to validate it)
Jean-Yves
"Bob Martin" <bob-m...@monmouth.com> wrote in message
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> Flag 100 is cleared.
>
> (on my machine at least), you must type MINEISBETTER, press the UP arrow
> key, PRESS ALPHA ONE MORE TIME TO DESELECT THE ALPHA STATE, then press F6.
>
> No offense, but the simple matter of displaying an easter egg took 20
> minutes of fooling around and a bunch of mental aggravation to figure out,
> just like most everything else about this machine. I wonder what happens
if
> you type: "MINEISUNNECESSARILYCOMPLEXANDOBTUSEFORNOGOODREASON"?
>
> (BTW, if you press F2 with this or anything else on the screen, the menu
bar
> goes away- prpbably useful if you want to make a screen dump of the EQW
> image.)
>
> Bob
>
Keith Farmer
bob-m...@monmouth.com wrote on 06/19/2000 04:04:
> No offense, but the simple matter of displaying an easter egg took 20
> minutes of fooling around and a bunch of mental aggravation to figure out,
> just like most everything else about this machine. I wonder what happens if
> you type: "MINEISUNNECESSARILYCOMPLEXANDOBTUSEFORNOGOODREASON"?
Since when are Easter eggs supposed to be easy?
Bob Martin
selection to enter Cursor Mode, I find nothing. [R Shift] ['] is listed as
the method of entering Cursor Mode. I find nothing about F2 in the HP48
User's Guide either. That's why it came as a surprise to me.
My frustration, with the documentation not being complete with respect to
the hardware, is shared by many of other users- some who comment publicly on
this board, some who e-mail me privately. For HP to rely upon legacy HP48
users as the target market for the HP49 and future high-end machines is not
viable, does not allow for growth. They must attract new customers who have
not had the HP experience before, who still need to be convinced of the
power of RPL and (what used to be) the HP way of doing things. Without
adequate documentation, tutorial manuals, etc. many marginal purchasers will
abandon their product, sell it on ebay, and move on with life. My criticism
is constructive, and based on a career of designing and documenting military
and laboratory electronic hardware. As time elapses, the marketplace will
address these issues, with third party documentation. Unfortunately, the
'49 is a little over one year old and this documentation has not yet
appeared.
Respectfully,
Bob Martin
Jean-Yves Avenard <aven...@epita.fr> wrote in message
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> Hello
>
> Ok, the manual may not be fully complete, but how to use the Equation
Writer
> is described in the manual.. Maybe you should read it first, then complain
> about the easter eggs
>
> You would learn that pressing F2 is made in order to select some part of
the
> equation (and you press ENTER to validate it)
>
> Jean-Yves
>
> "Bob Martin" <bob-m...@monmouth.com> wrote in message
> news:8ikunf$gma$1...@news.monmouth.com...
> > Flag 100 is cleared.
> >
> > (on my machine at least), you must type MINEISBETTER, press the UP arrow
> > key, PRESS ALPHA ONE MORE TIME TO DESELECT THE ALPHA STATE, then press
F6.
> >
> > No offense, but the simple matter of displaying an easter egg took 20
> > minutes of fooling around and a bunch of mental aggravation to figure
out,
> > just like most everything else about this machine. I wonder what
happens
> if
> > you type: "MINEISUNNECESSARILYCOMPLEXANDOBTUSEFORNOGOODREASON"?
> >
Bob Martin
figuring out how to use the calculator without years of HP48 experience is
the hard part.
Bob
Keith Farmer <far...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> In article 8ikunf$gma$1...@news.monmouth.com, Bob Martin at
> bob-m...@monmouth.com wrote on 06/19/2000 04:04:
>
> > No offense, but the simple matter of displaying an easter egg took 20
> > minutes of fooling around and a bunch of mental aggravation to figure
out,
> > just like most everything else about this machine. I wonder what
happens if
> > you type: "MINEISUNNECESSARILYCOMPLEXANDOBTUSEFORNOGOODREASON"?
>
Pat
? I couldn't get anything to happen when I typed that in but
now the keys seem a little easier to press... :=)
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
You do mean "even with"... don't you
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"Bob Martin" <bob-m...@monmouth.com> wrote in message
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denis martinez
El Beto wrote:
> Psy Coma <psy_...@imaginativa.cl> wrote in message
> news:uWh35.29$kF1...@news-santiago.gip.net...
> > Nothing happens... duh...
> >
> > Atte...
> > PSY COMA
> >
>
> Yes, it happens... You can play it with the 4, 5 and 6.
>
> --
> Beto
And the key 2. !!
Maintain it to force object fall down...
And remark that at the end of game, you can see your score :)
Denis.
Jean-Yves Avenard
You too are complicated !
Why every single time I post something here, the day after I'm thinking to
myself: I shoudln't have done that.
It happens with everything I do like:
I release the MetaKernel v2.30 to everybody, and then I get criticism for
not releasing the source code.
Now, I publish on how to get access to an easter-egg, and I get criticisms
for basically being "childish"
I totally disagree with your point. I strongly believe that the world is a
fun place to live, and making it even more fun is our duty.
So what if I'm not a "man in black" with dark glasses, never smiling.
Since when are there any strict rules about easter-eggs as you seem to
describe ?
Come on, relax, have a deep breath, or as we say in French: "pete un bon
coup, ca te decoincera"
Jean-Yves
"Julian Wald" <j...@ptolserv.com> wrote in message
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> The point of commercial[2] software is that it is written to provide a
> product that can be sold by the company (or given away, if they
> prefer) and that the purchaser/user can then use to solve or help with
> some problem. An easter egg, by definition, is functionality that is
> delibrately hidden from the paying customer, and then made known (or
> discovered) by a few[3].
>
Victor D. Koechli
programming for the HP 48, or made it fun for themselves (which includes
hiding easter eggs in the software), there would have been no
MetaKernel, no Erable, no ALG48, and probably no HP 49, which, whatever
critics apply, is by far the most powerful calculator I've ever owned.
Part of your problem, I think, is that everytime you 'show up' in this
NG, all the wishes for improvements/enhancements/bug fixes wake up as
well, plus all the complaints about the times no longer being what they
used to, and everybody jumps upon you with it. It's normal, I experience
the same thing at my hob every day. After all, people are never
satisfied, otherwise, there would be no progress ...
A product is never finished and never perfect, not even the HP 49. Many
of the suggestions make sense, and many of the critics are true, but
from what I've seen since I bought my 49G and followed the postings in
this NG you (i.e. ACO) read them and keep improving the 49. And I think
it doesn't go unnoticed, too.
Keep posting!
Cheers
Victor
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Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
> Gosh..
;-) ;-) ;-)
> You too are complicated !
So is the 49G OS
> Why every single time I post something here, the day after I'm thinking to
> myself: I shoudln't have done that.
You're probably right...bugged products, no docs, bad harware
and it's all your personal fault !!! Simply put: We all hate you
the french girls hate you (and even Jeanne d'Arc)
so stop giving pearls to us ungratefull pigs
;-) :-) :-| :-/ :-(
> It happens with everything I do like:
> I release the MetaKernel v2.30 to everybody, and then I get criticism for
> not releasing the source code.
Not only binaries, documents and source codes;
you have to release a *free* book (at your own cost, ofcourse:)
that describes the software process, that took place when the
MetaKernel was produced, including, but not limited to
releaving and punctuallly describing every programming trick used.
Naturally HP 49G owners will receive a free PDF -format
update to the User Guide, etc..
BTW
We are still waiting for the Videos promized by G de B
(NOTE: NO SMILEY HERE!!!)
Why is this not already done - you lazy dog ?!
I bet you do sleep sometimes after all...;-)
> Now, I publish on how to get access to an easter-egg, and I get criticisms
> for basically being "childish"
World is not a fun place to live to adults
therefore you're a child (like me)! :-D
> I totally disagree with your point. I strongly believe that the world is a
> fun place to live, and making it even more fun is our duty.
> So what if I'm not a "man in black" with dark glasses, never smiling.
> Since when are there any strict rules about easter-eggs as you seem to
> describe ?
MIB should be the new name of the next generation HP calc project
MIB-1 could be the name of the first project.
Could you take a digital picture of yourself in a MIB costume
and publish it in your Web-pages, please!
(If this is not fun then what?)
Alternatively you could shave your head
and dress as ACO-Enterprice-G Captain Jean-Yves Avenard
> Come on, relax, have a deep breath, or as we say in French: "pete un bon
> coup, ca te decoincera"
Mitä?
> Jean-Yves
Veli-Pekka
(Un)sincerely Yours!
Jean-Yves Avenard
http://www.hpcalc.org/games/arcade/
You will see that there is a tetris made by me a few years ago...
And extracting from the documentation:
"You will find here a small tetris, I made last week (18/10/1997)
during the flight from Singapore to Australia while watching
Batman & Robin (a big shit)
It's a very simple tetris, very small (1ko). It doesn't provide many
options, only the number of line you made.
It works only on HP48GX, but with the source code (Meta-Kernel ML),
you only have to change 3 addresses to run the tetris on an HP48SX.
If you have any question, just email me : aven...@epita.fr"
I do think that I can waste my time the way I want afterall :)
Jean-Yves
"Julian Wald" <j...@ptolserv.com> wrote in message
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> > describe ?
> No rules, but whatever you do involves trade-offs. By spending time
> implementing an easter egg, somethings else didn't get done.
>
> As I said, I am probably unusual in my views. But then I am used to
> that :)
>
> --
> Julian Wald
> Silence is golden - but noise pays the bills!
> Low cost noise monitoring software for the PC - See
http://www.ptolserv.com for details.
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
X
> I do think that I can waste my time the way I want afterall :)
I missed last time, but now I've got
dance de linga de mira
You'd better just update the Web documents
before fixing the 1.19-1 bugs !!!
;-)
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with brotherly love, respect, admiration and affection
Berni Joss
Have seen these 3 letters before ... what do they stand for??
Berni.
Luis Baptista
for basically being "childish"
My opinion is that easter eggs are fun if you don´t know were they are :)
LB
P.S. Portugal -3 Germany -0
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Raymond Hellstern
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>> LOL
>
>Have seen these 3 letters before ... what do they stand for??
>
>Berni.
>
>
Raymond Hellstern
Laugh Out Loud
David Haguenauer
>time could have been spent producing _decent_ documentation for the
>49.
Probably not. Because:
(1) it's not the same people who make the hp and the manuals (afaikan
tell)
(2) it probably didn't take much time to make and embed the easter egg
(3) it was probably done on JYA's spare time (as cofirmed by JYA's reply
to your message).
But that shouldn't prevent HP from preparing better manuals :o)
David Haguenauer
http://zap.to/hsimpson
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
"Julian Wald" <j...@ptolserv.com> wrote in message
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X
> Anyway, I know JYA can produce reasonable documentation (from his many
> informative posts here, and from things like the Stack API posted to
> hpcalc), so personally I think it is a double shame the way he uses
> his spare time.
X
> > But that shouldn't prevent HP from preparing better manuals :o)
> We definitely agree on this one ;) Not that it will happen, IMHO, at
> least in this millenium[2].
> [2] Ends 31/12/2000, just for clarification
X
But think if HP would have let the manual writers to do the software
while MetaKernel team & others were writing manuals...
!!!
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Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
David Haguenauer
>Agreed, but if the authors can't be persuaded to make good
>documentation, there is no rule that says that the programmers can't
>at least provide an attempt to fill in the holes
Sure. I think the CAS help is a big step forward, though it doesn't
totally replace a good paper manual (but BP did the best he could, I don't
think it would be easy to convince management that thicker, rewritten
manuals would be better).
>JYA and others talk about fun - where is the fun in spending hours
>coding up features, only to have hardly anyone use it, because
>virtually nobody[1] knows about it?
Hum... Interesting question, maybe some programmers don't feel any
different when people do use their work. But yes, I think one's happier
when knowing that people do use a new feature.
>Anyway, I know JYA can produce reasonable documentation
Yep. We need more! Also, Cyrille's commented headers are of great help.
>so personally I think it is a double shame the way he uses
>his spare time.
That's *his* spare time... Hey, you said so in the following sentence, I
can't even disagree with you :o/ (related to the quote below).
>However, I fully agree that how he chooses to use his free time is up
>to him, not me. I have the right to disagree with his choice.
>Actually my orginal post wasn't so intended to be about JYAs
>announcement in particular
And, oh, easter eggs can be a way to add promotional content, which
doesn't really make the product better, but makes it sell better, and
therefore isn't worthless (when AutoCAD 2000 was released, there were
prizes for the first people who would find the easter egg).
>> But that shouldn't prevent HP from preparing better manuals :o)
>We definitely agree on this one ;) Not that it will happen, IMHO, at
>least in this millenium[2].
Maybe they'll surprise you! (Didn't think when writing this).
David Haguenauer
http://zap.to/hsimpson
Keith J. Farmer
> coding up features, only to have hardly anyone use it, because
> me, whilst programming is great fun, knowing that people are actually
> using your software to its full potential can be just as exciting.
That's not the point of an easter egg.
It's like those incredibly difficult word games, or (especially for the
non-mechanically inclined) nail-and-ring puzzles. It's not about the
program, it's about presenting a challenge, and then seeing just how many
people manage to figure it out. While I'm not inclined to write such (being
one of the frustrated victims), I like having them around anyway. A rite of
passage in a sense, in knowing (or being told) the secret.
> We definitely agree on this one ;) Not that it will happen, IMHO, at
> least in this millenium[2].
> [2] Ends 31/12/2000, just for clarification
The US Naval Observatory has a countdown clock on its website, btw...
Scott Guth
Yours really IS better. The other was sideways!
Bye,
Scott Guth
"Jean-Yves Avenard" <aven...@epita.fr> wrote in message
news:8io10s$i0s$1...@web1.cup.hp.com...
> Have a look there:
>
> http://www.hpcalc.org/games/arcade/
>
> You will see that there is a tetris made by me a few years ago...
> And extracting from the documentation:
> "You will find here a small tetris, I made last week (18/10/1997)
> during the flight from Singapore to Australia while watching
> Batman & Robin (a big shit)
>
> It's a very simple tetris, very small (1ko). It doesn't provide many
> options, only the number of line you made.
> It works only on HP48GX, but with the source code (Meta-Kernel ML),
> you only have to change 3 addresses to run the tetris on an HP48SX.
>
> If you have any question, just email me : aven...@epita.fr"
>
> I do think that I can waste my time the way I want afterall :)
>
> Jean-Yves
>
> "Julian Wald" <j...@ptolserv.com> wrote in message
David Haguenauer
>Easter eggs[1]
[...]
>- He [JYA] wanted to give us something to find out ourselves :)
Maybe also he found out only after implementing it that it wouldn't be
possible for anyone to find it. DEDICACE was possible to find, it's listed
in CAT...
>For example, programs that trap
>certain keys as an Easter egg trigger, will be invoking that code all
>the time that the user is doing other things.
That's why they're put at places where speed is not needed (splash
screens, 'about' screens).
>However, whereas OO languages don't usually allow you to apply
>operations to the wrong operand type [...] SysRPL
>the onus is definitely on the programmer to ensure that code caters [...]
But that's exactly what allows it to run quickly! The programmer puts one
type verification at the beginning of the main program, and there is no
duplication of this code. If a subprogram is used, it won't need to check
its arguments (like a compiler's program will/could do), and can be made
faster.
Also, don't tell anyone who claims to code in assembly that a compiler is
better than a human in any regard :o)!
>things have moved on considerably since the 80s.
Yes, but we're all nostalgic (even those of us who didn't exist in '80).
We even like the dinosaur-looking HP48.
>Enough of my rantings, I am sure I will get severely roasted
Hehe. Your comments were constructive, so their "violence" doesn't harm.
David Haguenauer
http://zap.to/hsimpson
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
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X
> The US Naval Observatory has a countdown clock on its website, btw...
Direct link, please!
Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
> And, oh, easter eggs can be a way to add promotional content, which
> doesn't really make the product better, but makes it sell better, and
> therefore isn't worthless (when AutoCAD 2000 was released, there were
> prizes for the first people who would find the easter egg).
X
I hope that HP would do this when the next gen calc is released...
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