Converted programs!
Dheera
I have a bunch of utils from the 48, mostly time and sound tools that
converted fine and work well for the 49.
Is it "legal" to post these to hpcalc.org provided the original docs
remain intact and credit is given to the original author?
Dheera Venkatraman
dhe...@usa.net
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Before you buy.
Eric Haas
> Hi,
> I have a bunch of utils from the 48, mostly time and sound tools that
> converted fine and work well for the 49.
>
> Is it "legal" to post these to hpcalc.org provided the original docs
> remain intact and credit is given to the original author?
No, you need to have explicit permission from the original author.
Barry
pasting 49g info from this newsgroup for quite some time. I've started
putting it together into a Word document that I can print out. I'm also
including a lot of the short documents that are on hpcalc.org.
Presumably this is legal for my own use. But what about distributing it?
(for no charge, of course, on hpcalc.org) I'm sure others could make good
use of this, too. And it's all information that has been freely offered
here or on hpcalc.org.
But I no longer know the source for about half of it. I know everyone owns
the rights to the things they publish here or elsewhere, free or not. I
wouldn't want to cheat anyone.
Can this be dealt with in any way?
Barry
Eric Haas <EH...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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will ever get ported to the 49. Most of the authors of some of the best
software are impossible to get a hold of. Eric doesn't seem to care so
if you want to post it to hpcalc go ahead. I doubt anyone wiil sue you
for porting there software to the 49.
Incognito
library spiltter!!! haha--i keeps asking about that).
And you can always send me your files hahahahaha.
-drew
In article <86m1p3$la4$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Dheera
directly. If there is something that is really useful, maybe I'll send
the archive by e-mail to the author and let him/her post it if they
want.
Most of the sound utils, time utils, and some animations convert easily
with the Jazz tables or HPConv, but more complex programs seem nearly
impossible to port (like organizers, all those nice grayscale games,
the GUI's if you use them)... they seem to use dozens of unsupported
entry points - they have no name so I can't really find out what they
do to replace them - is there documentation that contains HP48
unsupported entry points with descriptions?
Dheera Venaktraman
dhe...@usa.net
Garcia Garcia, Cesar F.
> Dheera wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I have a bunch of utils from the 48, mostly time and sound tools that
>> converted fine and work well for the 49.
>>
>> Is it "legal" to post these to hpcalc.org provided the original docs
>> remain intact and credit is given to the original author?
>
> No, you need to have explicit permission from the original author.
I give all of you explicit permission to port the programs I have posted or I
will post in hpcalc.org to any other SO or platform different to
hp49, with the conditions expressed by Dheera in the paragraph above.
I think that all of us should include some similar clause in our
programs documentation when posting them. If somebody posts a
program or document in a web like Eric's, I suppose it is
intended to benefit the hugest possible amount of people.
Do you agree??
>
>
Jim
was commercial software, then you have to get permission, however most
of what was written for the HP48 was freeware or shareware. This
usually (though not always) comes with the stipulation (by the author)
that the software can be distributed as long as the documentation is
kept with it and it is not modified. "Porting" may or may not
constitute modifying - it depends how you look at it. I would think
that its safe to post unless it was commercial software or owned by HP.
--
<j...@savagetranscendental.com>
Buchan Milne
can submit a request for a program to be ported, and others would be
available to help port the software and deal with the original authors.
Volunteers ?
Wishlist:
1) Spreadsheet - XCELL or ExAl
2) Foneman 1.4
3) Library splitter
4) ????
Dheera wrote:
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
--
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HP48GX, HP49G, Sharp EL-556D
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Nicolas George
> I give all of you explicit permission to port the programs I have posted or I
> will post in hpcalc.org to any other SO or platform different to
> hp49, with the conditions expressed by Dheera in the paragraph above.
>
> I think that all of us should include some similar clause in our
> programs documentation when posting them. If somebody posts a
> program or document in a web like Eric's, I suppose it is
> intended to benefit the hugest possible amount of people.
> Do you agree??
What about a free licence, like the GPL ?
Buchan Milne
contributions. You should also be able to find some on deja.
Buchan
Barry wrote:
> This brings up a related question that I have. I've been cutting and
> pasting 49g info from this newsgroup for quite some time. I've started
> putting it together into a Word document that I can print out. I'm also
> including a lot of the short documents that are on hpcalc.org.
>
> Presumably this is legal for my own use. But what about distributing it?
> (for no charge, of course, on hpcalc.org) I'm sure others could make good
> use of this, too. And it's all information that has been freely offered
> here or on hpcalc.org.
>
> But I no longer know the source for about half of it. I know everyone owns
> the rights to the things they publish here or elsewhere, free or not. I
> wouldn't want to cheat anyone.
>
> Can this be dealt with in any way?
>
> Barry
>
> Eric Haas <EH...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:388E4A1E...@ix.netcom.com...
> > Dheera wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > I have a bunch of utils from the 48, mostly time and sound tools that
> > > converted fine and work well for the 49.
> > >
> > > Is it "legal" to post these to hpcalc.org provided the original docs
> > > remain intact and credit is given to the original author?
> >
> > No, you need to have explicit permission from the original author.
> >
> >
--
Incognito
> It might be an idea for someone to set up a porting project, where
people
> can submit a request for a program to be ported, and others would be
> available to help port the software and deal with the original
authors.
GOOD IDEA!!!
> 3) Library splitter
YES!!! I NEED THIS!!!
POST YOUR PORTED PROGRAMS!!!! I WANT THEM!!!
--DREW
Al Arduengo
I honestly am working on a 49 port of exAL. THe only thing holding me
back is the need for a fast input function which I can place anywhere on
the screen. Other than that, the port is mostly done. MK used to have a
moveable INPUT line if I rwecall correctly. Does it still exist on the
49?
I finished a port of the mkinfo lib I originally made for MK 2.2. It has a
calendar, database viewer and appointment manager. It is not a bloated
program, though. It is meant to be small and efficient. I use it in
place of my PalmPilot.
A lib splitter shouldn't be too hard to do as long as the lib is not one
of those trickely created contraptions that won't allow doing a
ROMPTR@. Hell, Rick Grevelle showed me a way to dump the SOURCE for any
normal library to the PC using kermit. It is actually shamefully easy.
I am working on a circuit solver analogous to Symbulator. DC works fine
AC is almost there and Transient is still in the wings. The only problem
is the speed. Solving for the equations of a circuit with three unknown
resistors is pretty slow if the total number of nodes exceeds 4. This
will require some CAS trickery which I am still learning.
I would be happy to release these works now and/or when they are
complete. I need to figure out how to make a web page for use with
RoadRunner though which is proving to be a pain in the ass. My texas.net
page will not be up for much longer.
-Al
> It might be an idea for someone to set up a porting project, where people
> can submit a request for a program to be ported, and others would be
> available to help port the software and deal with the original authors.
>
> Volunteers ?
>
> Wishlist:
> 1) Spreadsheet - XCELL or ExAl
> 2) Foneman 1.4
> 3) Library splitter
> 4) ????
>
> Dheera wrote:
>
> > Judging from the replies here, I think it's better not to post them
> > directly. If there is something that is really useful, maybe I'll send
> > the archive by e-mail to the author and let him/her post it if they
> > want.
> >
> > Most of the sound utils, time utils, and some animations convert easily
> > with the Jazz tables or HPConv, but more complex programs seem nearly
> > impossible to port (like organizers, all those nice grayscale games,
> > the GUI's if you use them)... they seem to use dozens of unsupported
> > entry points - they have no name so I can't really find out what they
> > do to replace them - is there documentation that contains HP48
> > unsupported entry points with descriptions?
> >
> > Dheera Venaktraman
> > dhe...@usa.net
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
Dheera
> Wishlist:
> 1) Spreadsheet - XCELL or ExAl
64dce, 11320, 4231a, 5f2a3, 5f2ee, and tons more. If anyone ports this,
we need to know what these entry points do? Is there documentation
somewhere?)
Exal: Uses many of the same unsupported entry points as Xcell.
SpSheet (from hpcalc.org Apps/Spreadsheets) converts with no trouble
with HPCONV. However, it is not as fast as Xcell - it needs to be
rewritten in SysRPL to make it faster...
> 2) Foneman 1.4
Uses Code objects and unsupported points e4de and 142a6. For porting
also, but a little difficult I think to port:
-PIM48
-Organizer
-Scribe
> 3) Library splitter
Tried every one I could find. Seems impossible to port, at least for
me...! I don't know ASM so I can't port the "Coded" ones. The others
use so many unsupported entry points, I don't know what their
equivalent on the 49 is. I put this in my post on the Suggestions for
ROM 1.17-8, let's hope the ACO does it...
> 4) ????
-StatStk or something which will get running seconds back and if
possible, free memory on the status. I am working on one, and I have
everything except the piece of code which keeps it running while the
user is working!
-SpeedGraph and/or PowerPlot if that will further improve HP49
plotting speed (although I am happy with it now, if it can go even
faster, why not?)
-Games :)
-Later on, Remote 3.4 - I know there is no use right now, but there
is almost no doubt that sometime in the future someone will come up
with an IR circuit which plugs onto the serial port of the 49.
If we have a table of unsupported points and what they do, then all we
need to do is write a SysRPL program to do the equivalent of the
unsupported point, put it in some table and use one of those programs
to convert it.
Dheera Venkatraman
Keith Farmer
AARD...@austin.rr.com wrote on 1/26/00 1:19 PM:
> I finished a port of the mkinfo lib I originally made for MK 2.2. It has a
> calendar, database viewer and appointment manager. It is not a bloated
> program, though. It is meant to be small and efficient. I use it in
> place of my PalmPilot.
I wouldn't mind seeing this -- what are the differences from ORG?
Barry
whether the author minds or not. If someone is making a contribution to the
hp4x community we should respect their privacy and their feelings.
One of the problems with (copyright) laws is that it's easy to get in the
habit of letting them replace our own moral judjements.
Barry
Jim <j...@savagetranscendental.com> wrote in message
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Al Arduengo
> In article <388F55EB...@ing.sun.ac.za>,
> > Wishlist:
> > 1) Spreadsheet - XCELL or ExAl
> Xcell: Seems to use tons of unsupported entry points (HPCONV shows
> 64dce, 11320, 4231a, 5f2a3, 5f2ee, and tons more. If anyone ports this,
> we need to know what these entry points do? Is there documentation
> somewhere?)
> Exal: Uses many of the same unsupported entry points as Xcell.
I don't have the source open in front of me but if I recall I only used
a couple or three at most and I believe they were 'stable' but
unsupported. Xcell code, at least in the beginning, was based on exAL
code if memory serves me well.
There are very few sysrpl/ml entries that are consistant from the 48 to
the 49 which is why HP says you cannot simply transfer a sysrpl program
to the 49 and it work (or be expected to anyway)
-Al
Incognito
> I finished a port of the mkinfo lib I originally made for MK 2.2. It
has a
> calendar, database viewer and appointment manager. It is not a bloated
> program, though. It is meant to be small and efficient. I use it in
> place of my PalmPilot.
...sounds good..where can I get it? :-)
> A lib splitter shouldn't be too hard to do as long as the lib is not
one
> of those trickely created contraptions that won't allow doing a
> ROMPTR@. Hell, Rick Grevelle showed me a way to dump the SOURCE for
any
> normal library to the PC using kermit. It is actually shamefully easy.
...ok, then how do you do it?
>My texas.net
> page will not be up for much longer.
...what IS your page?
Thanks,
Drew