less programmable RPN calculator
Jan Kozicki
Hello HPFriends!
Looks like my HP48G will be banned on my mechanic/engeneering tests.
More precise my professor is very likely to ban all programmable
calulators - unbeliveable huh? - from top-end casios through TI to HP.
But only on tests. Actually it's not a big problem since we can use sheets
with some precalculated integrals etc.
To be honest I agree with him - unbeliveable too huh? - he is aware of
cheating possibility with such a machine.
But I need a CALCULATOR! I'm aware that there doesn't exist
non-programmable RPN calculators, but I want to use a RPN calculator.
Do you know what calculator would fit this:?
- RPN
- very likely to be non-programmable
- small, not professional looking
I'm SO accustomed to RPN I would do almost everything for it. I'm sure I
could make an agreement with my professor so I could use such a
less-programmable RPN clatulator.
The other problem is that due to price-lowering process of HPcalcs the
shop assistants sell them only if you order them first (otherwise they buy
it for eg. 100$ then month passes and they have to sell it by HP's new
prices eg. 80$). So I'll have to order it and wait for it. The first test
is in about five weeks. If I don't get such a calc I'll use my veeeeeeery
old casio 87f.
BTW I used HP28S for 2 years, then HP48G -> 128kb for another 3 years,
that's all my experience with HP. Rather short....
So, what is the less programmable RPN calculator?
Thank you for your interest in this problem.
# Jan Kozicki
# ja...@thenut.eti.pg.gda.pl
Keith Farmer
> So, what is the less programmable RPN calculator?
The HP32S (SII is the current release).
It's RPN. It *is* programmable, but in a very limited fashion --
nothing like the 38 or 4x models. It has scientific functions and
2-variable statistics, as well as a simple solver. It's not algebraic
(unless they changed that).
Dan and Jennifer
>
for 40-60 bucks. I had to do the same thing for physical chem. You can
order from the hp site and get it next day for $7.
Dan H.
ToddEStan
lot of money on a place like eBay for older, used, HP RPN calculators.
Expect to pay a lot though, HP15's, HP16's, HP67's, HP41's, and others
commonly go for more than a brand new HP48.
Todd
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Michael Rubenstein
How desperate are you? :-) If the 32S is too programmable, the
HP19BII may fit the bill, but it's rather expensive if all you're
using are its scientific capabilities. It defaults to algebraic
mode, but you can switch it to RPN.
The 19BII is intended as a business calculator and has extensive
financial capabilities. It also provides a good set of scalar
scientific functions. It does not provide complex or matrix
functions. There is an equation solver, similar to that on the
HP28S in capability, but no other programmability.
It's not particularly small -- the same size as the 28S. Also,
the scientific functions are on menus rather than on primary
keys. Graphics are very limited compared to modern graphics
calculators.
The problem is that you have to pay for those financial
functions. As a scientific calculator, the 19BII is competent,
but significantly less powerful than the 32S at over twice the
price.
mia...@bigfoot.com
an RPN calc to keep in my desk drawer to do those simple calculations that
pop up now and then, but don't want to pay ~$50 for that in the form of
the 32S. Right now, I have a couple of 20S's around that I got for free
from a programming contest at HP. Something that just does the basic math
but in RPN would be fine. (I can do this on my computer easily enough,
but....)
Regards,
Bob
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Stefan Berglund
>
> Hello HPFriends!
>
> Looks like my HP48G will be banned on my mechanic/engeneering tests.
>More precise my professor is very likely to ban all programmable
>calulators - unbeliveable huh? - from top-end casios through TI to HP.
>But only on tests. Actually it's not a big problem since we can use sheets
>with some precalculated integrals etc.
> To be honest I agree with him - unbeliveable too huh? - he is aware of
>cheating possibility with such a machine.
>
> But I need a CALCULATOR! I'm aware that there doesn't exist
>non-programmable RPN calculators, but I want to use a RPN calculator.
>
> Do you know what calculator would fit this:?
> - RPN
> - very likely to be non-programmable
> - small, not professional looking
I'm in roughly the same situation, at my university we have a bunch of
generally approved calculators. Typically a Casio fx82 and TI30 and
a few others simple scientific calculators.
HP has released a new calc (HP 6S) with the same specs but it's
algebraic. :(
I want a RPN equivalent to that one!
I just isn't able to use a algebraic calculator any more, see kids
thats what the HP48 do with you ;)
--
/Stefan
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Russell W. Schmidt
>On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:52:46 +0200, Jan Kozicki wrote:
>>
>> Hello HPFriends!
>>
>> Looks like my HP48G will be banned on my mechanic/engeneering tests.
>>More precise my professor is very likely to ban all programmable
>>calulators - unbeliveable huh? - from top-end casios through TI to HP.
>>
>>non-programmable RPN calculators, but I want to use a RPN calculator.
>>
>> Do you know what calculator would fit this:?
>> - RPN
>> - very likely to be non-programmable
>> - small, not professional looking
>
>I'm in roughly the same situation, at my university we have a bunch of
>generally approved calculators. Typically a Casio fx82 and TI30 and
>a few others simple scientific calculators.
>HP has released a new calc (HP 6S) with the same specs but it's
>algebraic. :(
>I want a RPN equivalent to that one!
>I just isn't able to use a algebraic calculator any more, see kids
>thats what the HP48 do with you ;)
>
Various folks (myself included) have expressed the same desire many times in
this newsgroup. I was just thinking that, given the high prices paid for used
old HP calculators, that HP might increase the appeal of such a machine by
"retro" styling - design it to look like some of the great old HP calcs, like
the 25 or 29. I would love to have a modern RPN scientific calculator, in a
case like the HP 25.
--
Russ Schmidt (i...@ornl.gov)
Lockheed Martin Energy Systems, Inc.
Oak Ridge, Tennessee 37831-2009
Jan Kozicki
On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Russell W. Schmidt wrote:
> >HP has released a new calc (HP 6S) with the same specs but it's
> >algebraic. :(
> >I want a RPN equivalent to that one!
> >I just isn't able to use a algebraic calculator any more, see kids
> >thats what the HP48 do with you ;)
> >
>
> Various folks (myself included) have expressed the same desire many times in
> this newsgroup. I was just thinking that, given the high prices paid for used
> old HP calculators, that HP might increase the appeal of such a machine by
> "retro" styling - design it to look like some of the great old HP calcs, like
> the 25 or 29. I would love to have a modern RPN scientific calculator, in a
> case like the HP 25.
>
>
> --
> Russ Schmidt (i...@ornl.gov)
> Lockheed Martin Energy Systems, Inc.
> Oak Ridge, Tennessee 37831-2009
>
>
Hey, guys in HP: make such a small RPN calculator and MANY will buy it!
Metcalf & Metcalf
Jan Kozicki <ja...@thenut.eti.pg.gda.pl> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.3.96.991013...@thenut.eti.pg.gda.pl...
>
> Hello HPFriends!
>
> Looks like my HP48G will be banned on my mechanic/engeneering tests.
> More precise my professor is very likely to ban all programmable
> calulators -
> But I need a CALCULATOR! I'm aware that there doesn't exist
> non-programmable RPN calculators, but I want to use a RPN calculator.
>
clear the memory of your 48 himself before exams. But then he/she might,
naturally, have to offer to do that for everyone in the class. Of course,
doing really interesting stuff like that is really what graduate students
are for...
--
Roger D Metcalf
just an old dentist
metca...@aol.com
Arlington, Texas, USA 76013-6325
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"The Dentist 2"
Metcalf & Metcalf
Russell W. Schmidt <i...@ornl.gov> wrote in message
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>
<snip>
> Various folks (myself included) have expressed the same desire many times
in
> this newsgroup. I was just thinking that, given the high prices paid for
used
> old HP calculators, that HP might increase the appeal of such a machine by
> "retro" styling - design it to look like some of the great old HP calcs,
like
> the 25 or 29. I would love to have a modern RPN scientific calculator, in
a
> case like the HP 25.
>
> Lockheed Martin Energy Systems, Inc.
> Oak Ridge, Tennessee 37831-2009
I wonder if HP still has the injection-molding dies etc sitting around
somewhere collecting dust for their old models...if so, maybe they could
reissue "anniversary models" of classics like the 35 and 67 once every few
decades..that's a pipe dream of course and old models can easily be found on
ebay ( for $$$)...I *still* like the 67, of all things, but I'm almost ready
to put it away in favor of my shiny new 49....don't want to upgrade tooooo
quickly, you know!
--
Roger D Metcalf
just an old dentist
metca...@aol.com
Arlington, Texas, USA
Andrew
LEDs...those were the days. Back when I was young and had a TI-59, I could
use and program it in complete darkness. I knew where all the keys were and
the numeric key codes were like mnemonics to me. I seriously doubt my brain
could do that anymore.
Of course, when I switched to the 41C, I was no longer able to work in the
dark but, oh, the alpha display! Oh, the fantastic mechanical quality of
the keyboard!
Don't ask me why I programmed in the dark. Kids just do things like that.
This was YEARS before home computers existed.
Too bad I was never able to get a TI-59 that would work for any length of
time. After MANY direct factory exchanges (and a letter to Fred Busey
(sp?), which got me on a list to always receive brand new exchanges rather
than refurbs), I gave up and gave it away for free when I sold the print
cradle (which worked fine). After that experience I would never consider
buying another TI product again until I made the mistake of buying a TI
Programmer out of necessity (this was before HP released the 16C). The
agony! The TI's keyboard bounced so badly I just threw it away.
Well, that's enough from me. Sorry this post contains no useful content.
:-) The mention of the 67 just sent me on a trip in the way, way back
machine. Y'all don't know how lucky you are I didn't ramble on about
bicycling out to play on the school district's kickin' PDP 11/70 on the
evenings when the head of the DP department would let us. I'm telling you
(again), those were the days.
Stephen J Thomas
wrote:
>Too bad I was never able to get a TI-59 that would work for any length of
>time. After MANY direct factory exchanges (and a letter to Fred Busey
>(sp?), which got me on a list to always receive brand new exchanges rather
>than refurbs), I gave up and gave it away for free when I sold the print
>cradle (which worked fine).
I had the exact same experience when I was an undergrad -- finally got
a TI-59 which worked consistently for a few weeks, and sold it to an
ocean engineering student. I too then switched over to the 41C.
> After that experience I would never consider
>buying another TI product again until I made the mistake of buying a TI
>Programmer out of necessity [...] . The
>agony! The TI's keyboard bounced so badly I just threw it away.
I had the TI LCD Programmer, which worked OK (and am looking to buy
one of these if anybody has one sitting around). I'm currently
refurbishing one of the LED Programmer model.
> (this was before HP released the 16C)
A world of difference!
S...@LikeEyeCare.com
SJTho...@aol.com
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>Jan Kozicki wrote:
>>
>> Hey, guys in HP: make such a small RPN calculator and MANY will
>> buy it!
>
>41CV and 16C meet my needs pretty well). I'd love to give my 10-year-
>old son an RPN calculator, but he's not ready for anything too
>complicated.
>
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>
>
I would love to see hp reissue some of the old models like the hp11C, hp15C,
hp16C or hp42... I'd certainly get one too.
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Carlos Block
HrastProgrammer
> I would love to see hp reissue some of the old models like the hp11C,
hp15C,
> hp16C or hp42... I'd certainly get one too.
>
> -----------
> Carlos Block
>
If someone wants to have a HP-41C and already has an HP-48 then
he can download HP-41C/CV MicroCode Emulator for HP-48 from
<www.hpcalc.org>. It behaves exactly like the real one, only faster.
Lee K. Gleason
>>> buy it!
>>
>>I'd certainly buy one, and I don't even NEED another calculator (my
>>41CV and 16C meet my needs pretty well). I'd love to give my 10-year-
>>old son an RPN calculator, but he's not ready for anything too
>>complicated.
>>
I liked my HP16C so much, that I bought three more of them, to
make sure that I had enough to last my entire programming career...
now, 16 years later, I'm still using the first one, daily...it
hasn't worn out yet....they really built 'em to last...
Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
Control-G Consultants
gle...@insync.net