Any Chance of getting another ROM update?
J. Yuan
least that's what I read on HPCalc.org.
James M. Prange
> Didn't the guys at ACO say they will release the 1.19-7 ROM before going? At
> least that's what I read on HPCalc.org.
Well, JYA wrote that he'd *try* to release it before leaving; obviously
it didn't happen. Since then, I'm under the impression that the problem
is getting permission from HP.
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Regards,
James
J. Yuan
"
Hello
I do have a new ROM ready for the HP49. Unfortunately, HP never answered
my questions regarding if I could publish it or not. So I won't
Regarding the CAS manual, try using the Advanced User Guide, all the
commands
are described.
Otherzise, on www.hpcalc.org you have a complete CAS manual in English
You should find all the information you need there
Jean-Yves
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Mycroft Holmes
loose it; and then he could press the "new document" button and take a note
of the url, just to remember it; and then he could press the button labeled
"send to"... ;))))
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Two solutions together form a new problem.
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Micah
together a petition to send to HP for the ROM to be released. I have found
a few bugs in the latest. I especially like the part where it automatically
reboots!
Micah
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Steen Schmidt
Hewlett Packard is gone as we know it - Carly dropped the ball. Don't keep
your hopes up.
Regards
Steen
Stephen
permision! That's terrible.
Keep it ready, just give us an email address to send our requests and
thoughts to.
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Micah
start. I did, however, fill out that stupid web form that allegedly sends a
message to her staff. I doubt it really goes anywhere.
Micah
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J. Yuan
organizing it?
"Micah" <ai...@aien.com> wrote in message
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James M. Prange
> I emailed Jean-Yves, and this is the email I got back.
> "
> Hello
>
> I do have a new ROM ready for the HP49. Unfortunately, HP never answered
> my questions regarding if I could publish it or not. So I won't
<snip>
Could it be that the folks at HP might be a little confused regarding
calculator issues? I can imagine the following:
"Hey boss, some French guy wants to know whether it's all right to
publish a new ROM revision for the 49G."
"The 49G? Isn't that a calculator? Forward it to the Applied Calculations
Organization or whatever they call it now. Tell him not to hold his
breath though, they haven't been answering their e-mail lately."
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Regards,
James
J. Yuan
for the HP Calculator community.
J. Yuan.
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Micah
paste response that my comments/suggestions were forwarded to the correct
department. What do you want to bet that they in fact DID forward it to the
ACO? I doubt we will ever hear anything.
Micah
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VPN
PS: There is a new division in USA to take care of the NEW calcs
(and the old ones, like 39/40/49G, too)
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Albert Graef
> After I wrote to Carly about getting the ROM released I got the cut and
> paste response that my comments/suggestions were forwarded to the correct
> department. What do you want to bet that they in fact DID forward it to
the
> ACO? I doubt we will ever hear anything.
Ok, let's see which reply you get now. (Don't expect one from Mrs. Fiorina,
though, she's busy with the merger and surviving as HP CEO right now. ;-) If
the reply is negative then we should really start a petition and bombard HP
support with emails until we get what we want. It's outright silly that JYA
hasn't got a reply to his generous offer yet.
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Johannes Gutenberg University Mainz, Germany
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Matt Kernal
before going?
>JYA> I do have a new ROM ready for the HP49. Unfortunately, HP never
answered my questions regarding if I could publish it or not. So I
won't
>VPN> PS: There is a new division in USA to take care of the NEW calcs
(and the old ones, like 39/40/49G, too)
I was under the impression when ACO closed, that both JYA and CdB left
HP. But from the look of CdB's recent posts here, his domain is
"hp.com" (ie. cyrille_de...@hp.com). Maybe he is employed in
the "new division" (I remember reading here some time ago that ACO,
Australian Calculator Operation, was absorbed by the Jornada folks and
renamed Appliance and Calculator Operation)? If so, maybe JYA can get
permission from his good friend to release 1.19-7. What is JYA doing
these days anyway (working with Steen & company on Steen's new
calculator venture/business)?
Matt
ps. Forthcoming HP calculators will have a new entry system: RVPN
(Reverse Veli-Pekka Notation ;-)
Luis Morales Boisset
I'm completely agree! We shouldn't left JYA alone here. When we start?
Luis.
Nick Karagiaouroglou
You are surely right, but keepinh the hopes up is an inherent property
of Greeks, so I can't do different. Even in the worst possible
scenario, I still hope (for the 100 MHz multitasking no even one bug
calculator).
Greekkings,
Nick.
Nick Karagiaouroglou
> Hello,
>
> I'm completely agree! We shouldn't left JYA alone here. When we start?
Right now?
> Luis.
Greetings,
Nick.
Jean-Yves Avenard
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> > Seriously!! This stinks! ;-) C'mon HP... let us have it!!
>
> Hewlett Packard is gone as we know it - Carly dropped the ball. Don't keep
> your hopes up.
>
Are you going to post the same statement over and over ?
It's getting annoying
Jean-Yves
PS. Who is going to vote NO with its 0.0000000001% of HP
Steen Schmidt
keep
> > your hopes up.
> Are you going to post the same statement over and over ?
> It's getting annoying
Annoying? This is usenet, Jean-Yves. It is annoying.
Can you show me where I've written this before? Or better yet - release a
new ROM!
Before you tell me what my opinions should be, take some action, because the
action we've seen, nothing but supports my current opinion.
How come we don't see you around here anymore, unles somebody doesn't agree
with you?
Did this, your sudden dislike for me, come because of me criticizing your
baby? Will you defend HP till you die? I didn't think so, but they may have
gotten to you? You do not remember your own words a couple of months ago?
Not really flattering talk about HP back then, but you maybe didn't mean
that?
One thing - your attitude doesn't fit with me. Keep up the good spirits.
Regards
Steen
Jean-Yves Avenard
"Steen Schmidt" <ssch...@nospam.dk> wrote in message
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> Can you show me where I've written this before? Or better yet - release a
> new ROM!
This is not up to me unfortunately.
In 2003 the HP49 source will go into GPL as Erable and the MK will go into
GPL.
So nothing will prevent the release of a new ROM from then
>
> Before you tell me what my opinions should be, take some action, because
the
> action we've seen, nothing but supports my current opinion.
But what happen if you make your opinion based on a narrow view? You are
upset which I can understand but there's no need to be so harsh.
>
> How come we don't see you around here anymore, unles somebody doesn't
agree
> with you?
Because I have been away for quite a long time and now my work doesn't
involve much the HP49 anymore. I have to make a leaving.
But don't worry, I'm still focusing on education, who knows you may hear
from me sooner than you think :)
>
> Did this, your sudden dislike for me, come because of me criticizing your
> baby? Will you defend HP till you die? I didn't think so, but they may
have
I usually tend to become defensive if you criticize something I've worked
hard on, natural reaction I guess.
I still believe the HP49 is the best thing you could have get in this
situation.
> gotten to you? You do not remember your own words a couple of months ago?
> Not really flattering talk about HP back then, but you maybe didn't mean
> that?
I did mean that, I don't like what HP has became. I just hope it's not going
to be the next Digital,
I believe that the people who are now leading HP have no passion about what
they are doing except money making.
There used to be a time where what you were making and how you could make a
change was more important than how much money you would get out of it. But
that's the past unfortunately.
Cheers
Jean-Yves
Peter Geelhoed
Jean-Yves Avenard schreef:
> In 2003 the HP49 source will go into GPL
Excellent news!
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George Tsiros
> In 2003 the HP49 source will go into GPL as Erable and the MK will go into
> GPL.
NOW you tell us?! (note: you might have said this somewhere else, but
i never saw it)
Wait one year... hm... are we going to get the *rom* from you, or just
the sources to MK&Erable?
JY, can you please, for the love of everything good, why the hell
didn't you/they just use the 48g build quality for the 49g?
Thomas Rast
>
> In 2003 the HP49 source will go into GPL as Erable and the MK will go into
> GPL.
Wooohoooo! Great!
Thomas
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"If you cannot convince them, confuse them."
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Samuel Thibault
Hello,
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Jean-Yves Avenard wrote:
> I believe that the people who are now leading HP have no passion about what
> they are doing except money making.
> There used to be a time where what you were making and how you could make a
> change was more important than how much money you would get out of it. But
> that's the past unfortunately.
auggggh.... That's precisely what I feared to hear from you...
I wish I was born 5-10 years earlier.
Samuel Thibault <samuel....@fnac.net>
Jonathan Busby
<jean...@avenard.org> wrote:
>In 2003 the HP49 source will go into GPL as Erable and the MK will go into
>GPL.
Doesn't HP still own the copyright on the GX source? IANAL but
wouldn't this prevent those parts of the 49 source that are derived
from the GX source from being released? Or is HP going to GPL the GX
source as well?
Could you be so kind as to clue us in to what's going on. :)
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Jean-Yves Avenard
The HP49 is linked to the MK. In our contract the MK is going GPL by 2003
(if MDG wants to), so everything linked to it will go into GPL too..
It's like a virus you know..
Jean-Yves
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James M. Prange
> Hello
>
> The HP49 is linked to the MK. In our contract the MK is going GPL by 2003
> (if MDG wants to), so everything linked to it will go into GPL too..
That's certainly the best news I've read here for quite a long time.
> It's like a virus you know..
And if anyone was wondering why Bill Gates is so dead-set against
open-source software....
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James
Erwann ABALEA
> Jean-Yves Avenard wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > The HP49 is linked to the MK. In our contract the MK is going GPL by 2003
> > (if MDG wants to), so everything linked to it will go into GPL too..
>
> That's certainly the best news I've read here for quite a long time.
I agree, this is great news... I didn't know that the HP49 ROM was so
tightly linked to the MetaKernel... That's really cool, since HP doesn't
own the MetaKernel.
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JEEjohn
<jean...@avenard.org> writes:
>I believe that the people who are now leading HP have no passion about what
>they are doing except money making.
>There used to be a time where what you were making and how you could make a
>change was more important than how much money you would get out of it. But
>that's the past unfortunately.
>
>Cheers
>Jean-Yves
You got that right.
I like to read about the history of technology. I'm currently reading
"The dream Machine; J.C.R. Licklider and the Revolution That Made
Computing Possible" by M. Mitchell Waldrop. Towards the end,
he gets into Xerox and the PARC fiasco. At that time Xerox was
run by "a numbers guy to end all numbers guys". Xerox had a chance
to lease 5 prototype laser printers to Lawrence Livermore Lab.
This guy pulled out his pencil & figured that Xerox could lose
$150,000. Sorry, no deal. The guy didn't understand the possibility
of pioneering a new product that could bring in Billions.
Of the Alto, Xerox had a "Xerox World Conference" in Boca Raton,
Florida in Nov. 1977. PARC had everything there. A word processor
working in Japanese for example. Fuji Xerox "clamored 'give us this!
We'll manufacture it!'" The executives' wifes all got it (many of them
at one time were secretaries). Everybody got it but the top executives.
Talk about a mistake !!!!!
Time & time again, I've read about bean counters running a company
into oblivion. I firmly believe that Ms. Fiorina is running HP in the same
direction. To me, the Compaq "merger" is a symptom of her
Mis-management. HP might as well as merge with TI - it's much the
same.
John Edry
PawlRevere2
over, it is typically a corporation run from what ever is the fashionable
business model. In other words the original purpose; producing a great product,
goes to making profits.
It is a process of entropy that invades all social constructs.
Steen Schmidt
> GPL.
I thought that was confidential? Is this why you have HP layers visit so
often? ;-))
> So nothing will prevent the release of a new ROM from then
No, but there is till more than a year to that.
> > Before you tell me what my opinions should be, take some action, because
> the
> > action we've seen, nothing but supports my current opinion.
>
> But what happen if you make your opinion based on a narrow view? You are
> upset which I can understand but there's no need to be so harsh.
Harsh? Because I say that HP as we know it is dead? That's even your own
opinion, right? They wouldn't even let you release a new ROM before you
left, although you had it all ready.
That's not harsh, that's reality.
> Because I have been away for quite a long time and now my work doesn't
> involve much the HP49 anymore. I have to make a leaving.
> But don't worry, I'm still focusing on education, who knows you may hear
> from me sooner than you think :)
I hope :-)
> I usually tend to become defensive if you criticize something I've worked
> hard on, natural reaction I guess.
Sure, but you have a way........ :-)
> I still believe the HP49 is the best thing you could have get in this
> situation.
In this situation? You mean in the situation where HP stopped development of
new calculators, and stopped support for it? I wouldn't say that this was
the best time to get a HP49G.
The HP49G does have many features, and ROM v1.19.6 is very good. The problem
is that the benchmark is ROM v1.18 for at least a year to come. That's not
very good - it's actually pretty horrible.
> I did mean that, I don't like what HP has became. I just hope it's not
going
> to be the next Digital,
> I believe that the people who are now leading HP have no passion about
what
> they are doing except money making.
> There used to be a time where what you were making and how you could make
a
> change was more important than how much money you would get out of it. But
> that's the past unfortunately.
Then we agree? Why are we arguing.... :-)
Regards
Steen
HPhreacker 2002(®)
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