Windows Vista Home Premium OEM DVD?
Justin
work fine. But I want a plain Jane copy of Vista Home Premium 64 to put
on the laptop. I want to do this because I don't want aoo the crap HP
puts on the PC from the factory.
Do I contact Microsoft, or HP? I have a valid COA so I'm not looking to
pirate the OS or install it illegally.
HH
HH
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Ben Myers
Vista install CD (too much), remove the HP factory installed crap after
doing the recovery... Ben Myers
Justin
Hence I want to "order" it.
Justin
Oh, but I can't.
There all sorts of HP junk on there that don't allow me to uninstall.
My only option in Control Panel is to repair, not uninstall.
HH
notebook.
HH
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Justin
Strange indeed.
nevertheless that's the truth.
firesteel
> I have the recovery DVDs mode with no problem. I tested them and they
> work fine. But I want a plain Jane copy of Vista Home Premium 64 to put
> on the laptop.
Sounds like a job for vLite
- Bobb -
>> news:gfpnfl$d6f$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>>> Do I contact Microsoft, or HP? I have a valid COA so I'm not looking to
>>> pirate the OS or install it illegally.
I'm not being mean - just explaining ... Your COA is for the "Version that
includes the crap". You are "licensed" for the version that the OEM
installed on that model PC. The retail ( no-crap) version of Vista 64 costs
maybe $299 and the OEM version came"for free" with the PC, BECAUSE it had
all the add-on crap. Vongo, AOL, and all of the other crapware vendors paid
HP to be on that PC. You won't find a "clean version" at HP to buy. And
Microsoft's view is "you bought the cheap version from them - not us. If you
want a 'clean /retail version', it's $299" ( or whatever the retail price
is.) It comes with its own license AND it will run on any PC ( unlike the
HP version)
Again - I'm not arguing - just explaining. We've all been done this path
before.
First, download trial or buy - Acronis True Image , or Norton Ghost 2003 (
NOT Ghost Save & Restore)
What I did was:
1. uninstall all of the crap. Reboot.
2. Install all wanted updates. Reboot.
3. Tweak desktop - menus etc.
4. Run Crap Cleaner in manual mode and choose to purge all unnecessary (
temp/installation) files.
Drive is now clean.
5. Boot disk imaging app.
6. Save THAT image of my C partition - via Norton Ghost - to CD or an
external drive. When/if needed , Use Ghost and the restore happens
'crap-free'. If you want BOTH partitions ( so you can use restore points),
then image the DRIVE not just the C partition. If you like, you can create
the backup to CD/DVD's by selecting that option in Ghost "OPTIONS". It will
prompt for CD #1, CD#2, etc.
Note:
Ghost 2003 is based on Symantec Corporate version of Ghost.
Other recent retail versions of Ghost are based on Backup Exec - a product
they bought.. It was designed for data protection - not "disk cloning " etc.
So you want the version that is ( could be) bootable from floppy or CD -
not the version that can only be run from Windows.
- Bobb -
CP gives NO option to UNinstall anything ?
Most popular Uninstallers downloads:
http://www.download.com/Revo-Uninstaller/3000-2096_4-10687648.html?tag=mncol&cdlPid=10892747
Watch the video for an overview of Revo
Justin
Here we go...
It allows me to uninstall some things, but not everything. There are a
few HP applications that do NOT allow me to uninstall.
Justin
>>> "Justin" <jus...@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gfpnfl$d6f$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>>>> I have made the recovery DVDs with no problem. I tested them and
>>>> they work fine. But I want a plain Jane copy of Vista Home Premium
>>>> 64 to put on the laptop. I want to do this because I don't want all
>>>> the crap HP puts on the PC from the factory.
>>>> Do I contact Microsoft, or HP? I have a valid COA so I'm not
>>>> looking to pirate the OS or install it illegally.
>
> I'm not being mean - just explaining ... Your COA is for the "Version
SNIP
> from floppy or CD - not the version that can only be run from Windows.
I understand and I also don't care. One way or another I'm installing a
clean OEM copy of the OS on this PC. I can either order a CD/DVD
online, or download it through BT. It make no difference to me.
I have been in IT since 1996, I know Norton Ghost and whatnot. I hate
Symantec. Buggy applications and useless junk which is what I want to
avoid.
- Bobb -
>- Bobb - wrote:
>>>> "Justin" <jus...@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:gfpnfl$d6f$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>>>>> I have made the recovery DVDs with no problem. I tested them and they
>>>>> work fine. But I want a plain Jane copy of Vista Home Premium 64 to
>>>>> put on the laptop. I want to do this because I don't want all the
>>>>> crap HP puts on the PC from the factory.
>>>>> Do I contact Microsoft, or HP? I have a valid COA so I'm not looking
>>>>> to pirate the OS or install it illegally.
>>
>> I'm not being mean - just explaining ...
>
I don't think you do. There is no " CLEAN OEM VERSION". The HP part number
for OEM version of Vista your PC has the crap and the drivers etc. THAT's
what makes it OEM. It will be like you just brought it home and turned it
on for the first time.
HP has 'Recovery Discs' - not full blown Vista "Install CD's" that you can
tweak to install something and not others.
If you want to wipe the drive, you can recovery from parttition, or use The
Backup DVD's that you made.
>
> One way or another I'm installing a clean OEM copy of the OS on this PC. I
> can either order a CD/DVD online, or download it through BT. It make no
> difference to me.
If you did NOT do a backup and you want to buy those DVD's, they'll sell
them to you:
> I have been in IT since 1996,
So if you've every restored an OEM PC, you know - you pop CD in and boot ,
it wipes drive and you're back to factory version of drive. No tweaking.
> I know Norton Ghost and whatnot. I hate Symantec. Buggy applications and
> useless junk which is what I want
> to avoid.
Have a nice day.
Justin
That's not true. There are OEM DVDs out there with just the Windows
install.
I have done this before. I talked to HP and they won't sell me just a
DVD with Windows on it.
Go on ebay and search for Windows Vista full OEM.
Frank Hahn
news:gfsoed$ebd$1...@news.motzarella.org:
> That's not true. There are OEM DVDs out there with just the Windows
> install.
> I have done this before. I talked to HP and they won't sell me just a
> DVD with Windows on it.
>
> Go on ebay and search for Windows Vista full OEM.
>
Justin:
This program may be an option:
http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/home
I have not tried it but have seen it mentioned elsewhere. It might be worth
a go after a fresh install. Then use your favorite image software.
Someone else mentioned vLite. That may be a possibility but I would guess
that the CD/DVD that came from the manufacturer is so screwed up that it
can't be used to create this CD/DVD. Might be worth a shot though.
Good luck.
--
Frank Hahn
Justin
It looks like a decent program, but in my traditionalist opinion it is
an improper solution. That's like saying 25 stitches across somebody's
forehead is a proper solution to a car accident; whereas an airbag and
seatbelt would have been a better choice. While being a decent product;
it is a "reactive" solution to a problem.
I want a clean no bullshit install of Windows Vista. Period.
No HP ink toner monitors, no SIMS (I have a life), no HP flash Games, no
HP system helper, no HP memory Hog coded by Ho Chi Minh's cousin.
Also, I disagree with the other statement where the Operating system is
"free" to HP and I'm required ot have all that other crap on there. I'd
love to see some legalese documentation that states I'm violating the
EULA by using my COA number that is on the bottom of the machine and a
standard OEM copy. HP probably doesn't WANT me to do that, because they
loose revenue every time I get rid of that "order genuine HP toner now!"
popup every time I print an income statement.
- Bobb -
Sure you can buy a "Generic OEM " CD ( legal issues aside), but I get the
impression that you think that HP MADE one for your model PC and they just
"won't sell them to you". They did NOT MAKE ONE. Their idea of reinstalling
is for user to create DVD's and put them aside. When you reinstall - Tada -
same crap as when you bought it. True, Dell and others DO include an OEM
version with many of their models, but HP DID NOT.
As for "getting it from Microsoft ( your original question), read the EULA
on your PC and you'll see that MSFT has nothing to do with that HP installed
version of Vista either.
That "Windows Vista full OEM" you speak of is NOT sold/given by
manufacturers to end users - it is for use by PC distributors. They then
load whatever drivers needed etc. The idea is that they use the same CD and
install ( buy) a new key for each PC. Look on Newegg.com
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488
and on the SPECS tab for the product, you'll read:
"Use of this OEM System Builder Channel software is subject to the terms of
the Microsoft OEM System Builder License. This software is intended for
pre-installation on a new personal computer for resale. This OEM System
Builder Channel software requires the assembler to provide end user support
for the Windows ".
You've been in IT for tens years ... at the office when a desktop PC needs
a hard drive replaced - what do you do ? Everywhere I ever worked we saved
an image of each model on the server and used some imaging app ( like Ghost)
to reinstall the image to the 'bad pc' over network. With the version that
HP ships, THAT's what you need to do - make a gold image and save it as YOUR
image.
Calling/ asking HP to give you a retail version isn't gonna get you
anywhere.
Frank Slootweg
And the (exact) *names* of those "few HP applications" *are*?
Perhaps these applications can be uninstalled by *other* methods than
Start -> Control Panel -> Uninstall a program?
FWIW, I have never had such a problem with any of my (three) HP PCs.
And I just checked the Control Panel "Uninstall or change a program"
list on my HP Vista Home Premium system and *all* of the sixty odd
programs had a 'Uninstall' choice!
Justin
I reinstall Windows. I don't recover from the manufacturer's media - I
never did. I reinstall from a generic plain Jane Windows CD.
Or I use a slipstream - I don't use images.
> we saved an image of each model on the server and used some imaging app
> ( like Ghost) to reinstall the image to the 'bad pc' over network. With
> the version that HP ships, THAT's what you need to do - make a gold
> image and save it as YOUR image.
> Calling/ asking HP to give you a retail version isn't gonna get you
> anywhere.
>
Indeed, it wont get me anywhere hence I downloaded a generic OEM CD off
IRC and now have a _fully_activated_ clean install of Vista Home Premium
(64) ready to rock.
Justin
I forget. I can't go back since I have everything installed now, thanks
to a downloaded copy of the Vista DVD.
>
> Perhaps these applications can be uninstalled by *other* methods than
> Start -> Control Panel -> Uninstall a program?
>
> FWIW, I have never had such a problem with any of my (three) HP PCs.
Well, then dip your shit in gold.
>
> And I just checked the Control Panel "Uninstall or change a program"
> list on my HP Vista Home Premium system and *all* of the sixty odd
> programs had a 'Uninstall' choice!
See above comment.
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