Lost and confused in tbe handheld land (slightly long)
peter mojica
Simon Goland wrote:
>
> I have been thinking of getting me a handheld for quite some time now, Now,
> after about a month of reading these Usenet groups, some excellent web sites
> with lots of useful information, and playing a bit with Palm Pilot and Everexx
> machines at some local stores, I can honestly say that I am mildly confused...
> ;-)
> something similar on the Pilot?
>
> Thanks again for any info you choose to share.
> --
> [ Simon Goland B-)> simo...@smartt.com ]
> [ Simon Says Consulting Inc. ]
> [ Without action there is no change ]
OUTSIDE of synching mail u didnt say if u had a primary usage
requirement" if all u r looking for is basic out of the box
functionality-either palm3 or palmpc's do the job. palmpc's are
obviously the newer devices and ce was nearly a year behind palm pilot -
but their catching up fast. in terms of hardware id stay away from the
everex - ive only seent their inital offering. they have 2 more higher
end models one was called the executive, which i havent seen yet. but
the one that i got felt shamelessly cheap, from the minute i slipped
open the battery compartment it felt 'cheesy' - i got to see all of the
prototypes at ces in las vegas, and the phillips nino looked the best. i
dont think the nino is shipping yet-u might want to check their web
page. reding pop mail is doable with both and dialing in with terminal
window support is doable with both also - a little more work with the
pilot. ce 2 install on your desktop is a pain in the ass - you'll have
to re-install sp3-as with anything else because your adding services.
synching with microsoft products is very seamless. an interesting note
about the palms in terms of security, u take your little palm3 put it on
your ceo's craddle, while his machine is screen-locked and you can
download his mail, nice security feature. you'll see ce soon in your
cars, gas pumps, etc. the sub-notebooks devices like the nec mobile
pro750 run ce, and now give u a real useable keyboard-so if u want to do
wireless mail and reply now its for real. the phenom is another same
class device which just shows where ce is going, anywhere. the jury will
never be fully out on either, since it allways boils down to a personal
choice, but long-term ce is a better bet.
John Musielewicz
Humurous. Goin' to have start rebooting gas pumps now!
Sent using LXTCP and the HP 200LX
"A portable solution"
Eli
On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Simon Goland wrote:
> I have been thinking of getting me a handheld for quite some time now, Now,
> after about a month of reading these Usenet groups, some excellent web sites
> with lots of useful information, and playing a bit with Palm Pilot and Everexx
> machines at some local stores, I can honestly say that I am mildly confused...
[snip]
>
> If I go with Pilot, I don't really want to pay the extra $150 (Canadian) for
> an IR port which I REALLY don't need. Yes, I am also gettting an extra MB of
> memory, but I think that what the Pilot Professional offers (4000 addresses, 4
> years of appointments, etc) will last me a lifetime (less what I have already
> lived... ;-).
I don't use IR either. The best bet for you would be a PPPro with a TRG
upgrade board. They go as high as 8MB with 2MB of flash.
> machine is docked. Is the Pilot rechargeable through the cradle, or do I need
> to get a separate battery charger? And, while the Pilot's batteries will last
The cradle will drain batteries, but there is an unofficial fix for it ;)
> One other thing I liked is the way the calendar in Everexx displays a weekly
> view. Pilot had a daily view only, but I am hoping someone has written a
> shareware that does just that - shows me my calendar as a 7-day view. Is there
> something?
Perhaps you didn't look deeply enough. the Palm has a daily, weekly, and
monthly view.
Elias Lutfallah
Non-HP employee of Volt Technical Services
Any views, thoughts, or opinions expressed herein are just that,
MY opinions. Nobody elses.
Anthony Hook
>
> >I am contemplating among the Palm Pilot, Professional or III, and WinCE -
> >Everexx Associate. Yes, I agree that Microsoft is bad and evil ... ;-), and
> >(based on lots of past experience with their products) am slightly reluctant
> >of getting into the first versions of WinCE.
>
> Third, actually, if you count CE 1.0 and CE 2.0 (HP/C only).
I personally wouldn't count them .. alpha and beta versions spring to
mind.
Anthony.
Simon Bennett
Simon Goland wrote:
>
> I have been thinking of getting me a handheld for quite some time now, Now,
> after about a month of reading these Usenet groups, some excellent web sites
> with lots of useful information, and playing a bit with Palm Pilot and Everexx
> machines at some local stores, I can honestly say that I am mildly confused...
> Boot speed of both (Pilot and Everexx) is reasonably the same, however the
> basic model of Everexx I tested was slightly slower on activating the menus.
> The sales fellow tried to tell me that it works almost twice as fast if I get
> the Associate with twice the memory. Right...
Dunno about the Everex - but the Casio A-10 was quite sluggish. The
Pilot is nice in that it's very snappy. Mind you - it's trying to do
less.
> I had no problems with the display of the Everexx. Not only that, but I really
> liked the sharper resolution. And, yes, I will be paying for it in more
> frequent recharge times. But these will happen "automagically" while the
> machine is docked. Is the Pilot rechargeable through the cradle, or do I need
> to get a separate battery charger? And, while the Pilot's batteries will last
> me much longer, I saw something about 39% of bad capacitors in Pilot
> Professional, which will wipe all data when one is replacing batteries. So,
> when I am doing it at home, it is no big deal, but on the road... . BTW, is it
> the same with Pilot III?
No. The pilot doesn't use rechargables - thou there is nothing to stop
you putting in the AAA variety. On the other hand - it's battery life
is EXCELLENT. Weeks and weeks - and I'm a heavy user. Add EcoHack and
double that again.
The first generation CE palmtops seems to have around 10 hour battery
life.
> One other thing I liked is the way the calendar in Everexx displays a weekly
> view. Pilot had a daily view only, but I am hoping someone has written a
> shareware that does just that - shows me my calendar as a 7-day view. Is there
> something?
Yes. The standard datebook has a daily, graphical weekly and monthly
view.
You can get an excellent shareware program called Datebook3 - which adds
a textual weekly view - icons for the month view - and a *useful* year
view - lets you see (for example) where all the birthdays are. The
PalmCE year view doesn't give you any information apart from the date.
> Synchronization with email. My preferred email/browse tool is Netscape (again,
> it's not Microsoft). Pilot mentions support for Outlook email and in-box, but
> nothing about Netscape. Will I be able to easily download all the new incoming
> email from Netscape into my Pilot and take it with me, and reply, and send
> when I get back home? Will it also keep a copy in my Sent folder when I do it?
> Will the WinCE machine do the same?
WinCE is windows and MSoft programs ONLY. No Netscape, no UNIX, no
Eudora, no Macs.
You can now sync mail with Pilot and Netscape or Eudora.
> Everexx has the Channels, which, if I understand it correctly, allows me to
> download daily news via my computer onto the handheld and read it on my way
> somewhere... sort of an electronic daily newspaper. Is it true? Is there
> something similar on the Pilot?
Yes. But it's limited to Microsoft's pre-determined "Mobile Channels" -
which means you can't just take any web-page with you (at present)
Check out AvantGo for Pilot - it lets you take any web tree with you.
Keen.
The only weird thing is that here in Australia - CE P/PC's are CHEAPER
than Palm 3's! By about $300!!!