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Paul Kudla

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Apr 18, 2002, 6:11:04 PM4/18/02
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I recently tried to run a program on a Osprey PDP emulator and recieved the
error,

?KMON-F-Extended Memory Monitor required to run SY:XXXXX.SAV

I'm running RT11SJ. Do I need to add something to my STARTS.COM file, or is
there something else I need to do. This system is controlling a piece of
industrial equipment.

Thanks in advance,
Paul K.


Jeff Campbell

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Apr 18, 2002, 7:30:20 PM4/18/02
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It appears you need to be booting RT11XM.SYS rather than RT11SJ.SYS.

Jeff Campbell
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Paul Kudla

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Apr 18, 2002, 8:10:35 PM4/18/02
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I've found reference to three diferent RT11 's but not RT11XM. The other
thing I forgot to ask was, is there a command like DOS 'MEM' to see how much
memory is installed.
Paul
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Jeff Campbell

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Apr 18, 2002, 9:15:16 PM4/18/02
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In RT-11 V5 prior to V5.6, there are 4 standard RT11xx monitors:

RT11SJ single job
RT11FB foreground/background
RT11XM extended memory
RT11BL baseline

HELP SHOW

SHOW CONF will display the size of memory.

Paul Kudla

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Apr 18, 2002, 8:53:04 PM4/18/02
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I'd have to double check, but I think I'm running V4.0. Before we switched
to the Osprey emulator, we had no problem. A previous technician made the
switchand lost the original configurations. Meanwhile we haven't run this
particular program in years. All of the original drives were tossed in the
dumpster, but I just recieved 2 more machines with the DSD880 intact.
Would all monitors be included together? I have some original disks I
have accessed, But I didn't see any other RT's.

Paul

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Jeff Campbell

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Apr 18, 2002, 10:21:53 PM4/18/02
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I don't remember if the baseline monitor was part of V4. The other 3
monitors are there though, RT11SJ, RT11FB, and RT11XM.

If you have the RT-11 distribution kit for V4 all 3 monitors should be
there. (IIRC. I know V5 supplies them.) If not, the kit can build them
via a SYSGEN pass.

If you don't have a distribution kit then you're done. 8-)

It's possible you have disks with the RT-11 distribution kit contained
in logical disk volumes. Look for files on your disks with .DSK as the
file type. Use the commands:

.MOU LD0 DRV:FILNAM.DSK ! may have to .INS / .LOA LD first
.ASS LD0 DK ! (CD) set the default device to LD
.DIR ! or whatever 8-)
.ASS SY DK ! back to the system disk

to look inside. The DRV is the disk device driver name for the drive,
like DU0 or RK1 or DL2 etc. FILNAM is the actual file name of the .DSK
file on the drive.

Jeff Campbell
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Paul Kudla wrote:
>
> I'd have to double check, but I think I'm running V4.0. Before we switched
> to the Osprey emulator, we had no problem. A previous technician made the
> switchand lost the original configurations. Meanwhile we haven't run this
> particular program in years. All of the original drives were tossed in the
> dumpster, but I just recieved 2 more machines with the DSD880 intact.
> Would all monitors be included together? I have some original disks I
> have accessed, But I didn't see any other RT's.
>
> Paul

[snip]

Paul Kudla

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Apr 18, 2002, 10:02:29 PM4/18/02
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I have the original disks that the manufacturer of the machine.
I've also put the question on vmsnet.pdp-11 newsgroup and am getting
the same answer about doing a SYSGEN. I have RT11 manuals 2A and 2B only and
am not really experienced in RT11. Both manuals seem to deal with compiling
executables using XM. How would I go about doing a SYSGEN.

Paul

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Jeff Campbell

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Apr 18, 2002, 11:47:46 PM4/18/02
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Without knowing the contents of the diskettes you have I dunno.

To build a monitor look for a SYSGEN.CMD file. You execute it as a
command file:

.@sysgen.cmd

Once started, it will ask a *bunch* of questions and then create the
command files to build the monitor(s) you want with the hardware support
you want. The monitors and drivers are then built by executing these
resultant command files.

You really need volume 1C, SYSGEN. 3B, System Support Manual would
also be very useful/

Jeff Campbell
n8...@arrl.net

Zane H. Healy

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Apr 18, 2002, 10:58:04 PM4/18/02
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In comp.sys.dec Paul Kudla <PEK...@wzrd.com> wrote:
> I have the original disks that the manufacturer of the machine.
> I've also put the question on vmsnet.pdp-11 newsgroup and am getting
> the same answer about doing a SYSGEN. I have RT11 manuals 2A and 2B only and
> am not really experienced in RT11. Both manuals seem to deal with compiling
> executables using XM. How would I go about doing a SYSGEN.

You start it by issueing the following command (at least under V5.x, I'm not
sure about V4.0).

.IND SYSGEN

Hopefully at that point it will ask you if you want an intro to system
generation, and you can fumble your way through it (I did my first few
SYSGEN's without a manual, but having the manual can definitly help).

Zane

Paul Kudla

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Apr 19, 2002, 4:58:00 PM4/19/02
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I can't believe the response I'm getting, Thanks!!!

I just spent most of the day going through about 100 disks (8 inch on a
DSD880).
The *.sys files on the originals are ... Ba , Cr , ct , Dd , DL , DM , Dp ,
Dt , Dx , Dy , Fd , Lp , Ls , Ms , Mt , Ni , Pc , Rf , Rk , Rt11sj , Swap ,
Tt .

There are no *.CMD files, But there are a few *.sav files that I've
never used, Bincom , Cbd09 , Cref , K11rt4 , K11xm , Libr , Mac , Mac8k ,
Pasfmt , Par , Patch , Pcl , Pip , Resorc , and a few more.

There's 205 files in a 10 disk set that came with the system, More than
half I know deal with the running or developing our own software for the
system.

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Zane H. Healy

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Apr 19, 2002, 5:47:56 PM4/19/02
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In comp.sys.dec Paul Kudla <PEK...@wzrd.com> wrote:
> There are no *.CMD files, But there are a few *.sav files that I've
> never used, Bincom , Cbd09 , Cref , K11rt4 , K11xm , Libr , Mac , Mac8k ,
> Pasfmt , Par , Patch , Pcl , Pip , Resorc , and a few more.

I think you want to be looking for *.CND and *.COM files, there aren't any
*.CMD files. Also look for *.MAC. You should see something like:


RT-11FB V04.00G

.DIR

SWAP .SYS 25 01-Feb-82 RT11BL.SYS 65 01-Feb-82
RT11SJ.SYS 67 01-Feb-82 RT11FB.SYS 80 01-Feb-82
TT .SYS 2 01-Feb-82 DT .SYS 3 01-Feb-82
DP .SYS 3 01-Feb-82 DX .SYS 3 01-Feb-82
DY .SYS 4 01-Feb-82 RF .SYS 3 01-Feb-82
RK .SYS 3 01-Feb-82 DL .SYS 4 01-Feb-82
DM .SYS 5 01-Feb-82 DS .SYS 3 01-Feb-82
DD .SYS 5 01-Feb-82 MT .SYS 9 01-Feb-82
MM .SYS 9 01-Feb-82 MS .SYS 10 01-Feb-82
LP .SYS 2 01-Feb-82 LS .SYS 2 01-Feb-82
CR .SYS 3 01-Feb-82 NL .SYS 2 01-Feb-82
PC .SYS 2 01-Feb-82 PD .SYS 3 01-Feb-82
CT .SYS 6 01-Feb-82 BA .SYS 7 01-Feb-82
PIP .SAV 23 01-Feb-82 DUP .SAV 41 01-Feb-82
DIR .SAV 17 01-Feb-82 FORMAT.SAV 19 01-Feb-82
SLP .SAV 9 01-Feb-82 SIPP .SAV 20 01-Feb-82
STARTS.COM 1 01-Feb-82 STARTF.COM 1 01-Feb-82
V4USER.TXT 1 01-Feb-82 MTHD .SYS 4 01-Feb-82
MMHD .SYS 4 01-Feb-82 MSHD .SYS 5 01-Feb-82
RESORC.SAV 15 01-Feb-82 SYSMAC.SML 42 01-Feb-82
EDIT .SAV 19 01-Feb-82 KED .SAV 60 01-Feb-82
K52 .SAV 55 01-Feb-82 TECO .SAV 50 01-Feb-82
MACRO .SAV 51 01-Feb-82 MAC8K .SAV 56 01-Feb-82
CREF .SAV 6 01-Feb-82 LINK .SAV 41 01-Feb-82
LIBR .SAV 22 01-Feb-82 FILEX .SAV 18 01-Feb-82
SRCCOM.SAV 13 01-Feb-82 BINCOM.SAV 10 01-Feb-82
DUMP .SAV 8 01-Feb-82 PATCH .SAV 10 01-Feb-82
PAT .SAV 8 01-Feb-82 HELP .SAV 107 01-Feb-82
HELP .EXE 7 01-Feb-82 HELP .MLB 98 01-Feb-82
ERROUT.SAV 17 01-Feb-82 SYSGEN.SAV 39 01-Feb-82
SYSGEN.CND 134 01-Feb-82 SYSTBL.CND 23 01-Feb-82
SYSMAC.MAC 41 01-Feb-82 BATCH .SAV 26 01-Feb-82
QUEMAN.SAV 13 01-Feb-82 QUEUE .REL 14 01-Feb-82
SYSLIB.OBJ 47 01-Feb-82 MDUP .SAV 18 01-Feb-82
MDUP .MM 48 01-Feb-82 MDUP .MT 48 01-Feb-82
MDUP .MS 48 01-Feb-82 MBOT16.BOT 1 01-Feb-82
MBOOT .BOT 1 01-Feb-82 MSBOOT.BOT 3 01-Feb-82
DEMOBG.MAC 2 01-Feb-82 DEMOFG.MAC 3 01-Feb-82
DEMOX1.MAC 3 01-Feb-82 DEMOF1.FOR 2 01-Feb-82
DEMOED.TXT 1 01-Feb-82 README.TXT 36 01-Feb-82
VT52 .TEC 5 01-Feb-82 VEG .TEC 4 01-Feb-82
EDIT .TEC 1 01-Feb-82 INSERT.TEC 2 01-Feb-82
LOCAL .TEC 3 01-Feb-82 SORT .TEC 3 01-Feb-82
VTEDIT.TEC 32 01-Feb-82 TECO .TC 23 01-Feb-82
SEARCH.TEC 3 01-Feb-82 SQU .TEC 13 01-Feb-82
TYPE .TEC 12 01-Feb-82 TECO .INI 15 01-Feb-82
ODT .OBJ 9 01-Feb-82 VDT .OBJ 9 01-Feb-82
VTMAC .MAC 7 01-Feb-82 VTHDLR.OBJ 9 01-Feb-82
PLOT55.OBJ 3 01-Feb-82 TEST55.FOR 5 01-Feb-82
GETSTR.FOR 2 01-Feb-82 PUTSTR.FOR 2 01-Feb-82
SJ .MAC 1 01-Feb-82 FB .MAC 1 01-Feb-82
XM .MAC 1 01-Feb-82 USR .MAC 70 01-Feb-82
KMON .MAC 120 01-Feb-82 RMONSJ.MAC 78 01-Feb-82
RMONFB.MAC 140 01-Feb-82 XMSUBS.MAC 27 01-Feb-82
EDTGBL.MAC 27 01-Feb-82 BSTRAP.MAC 50 01-Feb-82
TT .MAC 9 01-Feb-82 BA .MAC 20 01-Feb-82
KMOVLY.MAC 185 01-Feb-82 MTTEMT.MAC 18 01-Feb-82
MTTINT.MAC 46 01-Feb-82 LP .MAC 9 01-Feb-82
LS .MAC 13 01-Feb-82 NL .MAC 3 01-Feb-82
DD .MAC 22 01-Feb-82 DL .MAC 21 01-Feb-82
RK .MAC 9 01-Feb-82 DS .MAC 9 01-Feb-82
DX .MAC 15 01-Feb-82 DY .MAC 18 01-Feb-82
PC .MAC 5 01-Feb-82 PD .MAC 9 01-Feb-82
DM .MAC 21 01-Feb-82 DP .MAC 10 01-Feb-82
DT .MAC 8 01-Feb-82 RF .MAC 7 01-Feb-82
CR .MAC 14 01-Feb-82 CT .MAC 33 01-Feb-82
TM .MAC 26 01-Feb-82 TJ .MAC 30 01-Feb-82
TS .MAC 29 01-Feb-82 FSM .MAC 31 01-Feb-82
SPEED .SAV 4 01-Feb-82 ELCOPY.MAC 8 01-Feb-82
ELINIT.MAC 15 01-Feb-82 ELTASK.MAC 15 01-Feb-82
ERROUT.MAC 49 01-Feb-82 ERRTXT.MAC 9 01-Feb-82
SYCND .BL 3 01-Feb-82 SYSTBL.BL 4 01-Feb-82
SYCND .DIS 5 01-Feb-82 SYCND .HD 5 01-Feb-82
SYSTBL.DIS 4 01-Feb-82 RTBL .MAP 16 01-Feb-82
RTSJ .MAP 16 01-Feb-82 RTFB .MAP 23 01-Feb-82
DISMT1.COM 9 01-Feb-82 DISMT2.COM 8 01-Feb-82
152 Files, 3229 Blocks
1533 Free blocks

However, I'm not so sure what incantation you'll need to start a SYSGEN, and
all my V4 manuals are up in storage. I'd thought a simple IND SYSGEN would
do the trick, but that doesn't seem to work.

Zane

Megan

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"Zane H. Healy" <hea...@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:

>ERROUT.SAV 17 01-Feb-82 SYSGEN.SAV 39 01-Feb-82
>SYSGEN.CND 134 01-Feb-82 SYSTBL.CND 23 01-Feb-82

It has been a long time since I did any V4.0... is it possible
that SYSGEN.SAV was the pre-IND IND, and sysgen.cnd was the
input file to it? Does anyone else remember?

>XM .MAC 1 01-Feb-82 USR .MAC 70 01-Feb-82

>RMONFB.MAC 140 01-Feb-82 XMSUBS.MAC 27 01-Feb-82

The fact that he has XM.MAC and XMSUBS.MAC on the disk is
promising...

Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer

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Paul Kudla

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Apr 20, 2002, 8:38:12 AM4/20/02
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I'm posting this across all three boards I found .
I missed the post with Mr. Healy's comments mentioned at the end of this.
I've found I can save the DIR to a file, and use PUTR to transfer it over.
Here's a slightly edited list of files I do have. Sorry for the size.
Here we go,
19-Apr-99
A .OBJ 7P 21-Mar-84 MAZE .PAS 35P 21-Mar-84
AFLD09.PAS 8P 21-Mar-84 MIS09 .OBJ 3P 21-Mar-84
AFL09 .OBJ 1P 21-Mar-84 MS .SYS 10P 21-Mar-84
MSG09 .OBJ 3P
21-Mar-84
MS136 .ST 20
04-Apr-102
MT .SYS 9P
21-Mar-84
NL .SYS 2P
21-Mar-84
ASCD09.PAS 9P 21-Mar-84 ODT .OBJ 9P 21-Mar-84
ASC09 .OBJ 7P 21-Mar-84 PASCAL.DOC 61P 21-Mar-84
A5163 .ST 11 08-Oct-97 PASCAL.OBJ 72P 21-Mar-84
B .OBJ 7P 21-Mar-84 PASCAL.SAV 56P 31-Jan-85
BA .SYS 7P 21-Mar-84 PASFMT.PAS 88P 21-Mar-84
PASFMT.SAV 47P
21-Mar-84
PAT .SAV 8P
21-Mar-84
BATCH .SAV 26P 21-Mar-84 PATCH .SAV 10P 21-Mar-84
BINCOM.SAV 10P 21-Mar-84 PC .SYS 2P 21-Mar-84
PCAL04.SAV 42P
21-Mar-84
PCL .PAS 22P
21-Mar-84
PCL .SAV 31P
21-Mar-84
PIP .SAV 23P
21-Mar-84
CBD09 .SAV 23P 21-Mar-84 PL0 .PAS 33P 21-Mar-84
CGEN09.DAT 4P 21-Mar-84 PRBR04.DAT 32P 11-Sep-86
CGND09.PAS 8P 21-Mar-84 PROFIL.OBJ 12P 21-Mar-84
CGN09 .OBJ 11P 21-Mar-84 PROFIL.PAS 22P 21-Mar-84
CHECKR.PAS 103P 21-Mar-84 PUTSTR.FOR 2P 21-Mar-84
COR09 .OBJ 11P 21-Mar-84 PVED09.PAS 8P 21-Mar-84
CR .SYS 3P 21-Mar-84 PVE09 .OBJ 49P 21-Mar-84
CREF .SAV 6P 21-Mar-84 PVE09A.OBJ 4P 21-Mar-84
CSI .PAS 12P 21-Mar-84 PVE09B.OBJ 9P 21-Mar-84
CT .SYS 6P 21-Mar-84 PVE09C.OBJ 6P 21-Mar-84
DATERS.SAV 20P 21-Mar-84 PVE09D.OBJ 10P 21-Mar-84
DCAL04.SAV 50P 21-Mar-84 PVE09E.OBJ 7P 21-Mar-84
DD .SYS 5P 21-Mar-84 PVE09F.OBJ 6P 21-Mar-84
DEBUG .DOC 67P 21-Mar-84 PVE09G.OBJ 7P 21-Mar-84
DEF09A.OBJ 4P 21-Mar-84 RABI04.SAV 71P 21-Mar-84
DIR .SAV 17P 21-Mar-84 RANDOM.PAS 1P 21-Mar-84
DL .SYS 5P 21-Mar-84 RESORC.SAV 15P 21-Mar-84
DM .SYS 5P 21-Mar-84 RF .SYS 3P 21-Mar-84
DOSCPY.SAV 13 01-May-97 RK .SYS 3P 21-Mar-84
DP .SYS 3P 21-Mar-84 RSD09A.OBJ 41P 21-Mar-84
DPSD09.PAS 8P 21-Mar-84 RT11SJ.SYS 67P 31-Jan-85
DPS09 .OBJ 5P 21-Mar-84
DT .SYS 3P 21-Mar-84 SEARCH.TEC 3P 21-Mar-84
DUMP .SAV 8P 21-Mar-84 SEPD09.PAS 9P 21-Mar-84
DUP .SAV 41P 21-Mar-84 SEP09 .OBJ 6P 21-Mar-84
DVMCAL.SAV 90 28-Aug-84 SET09 .OBJ 16P 21-Mar-84
DVM09 .OBJ 11P 21-Mar-84 SHELL .DAT 3 25-Nov-92
DVSD09.PAS 8P 21-Mar-84 SIPP .SAV 20P 21-Mar-84
DVS09 .OBJ 3P 21-Mar-84 SLP .SAV 9P 21-Mar-84
DX .SYS 3P 21-Mar-84 SMT09A.MSG 16P 21-Mar-84
DY .SYS 4P 21-Mar-84 SMT09B.MSG 16 21-Mar-84
EDG09 .OBJ 3P 21-Mar-84 SORT .TEC 3P 21-Mar-84
EDIT .SAV 19P 21-Mar-84 SQU .TEC 13P 21-Mar-84
EDIT .TEC 1P 21-Mar-84 SRCCOM.SAV 13P 21-Mar-84
ERROR .PAS 6P 21-Mar-84

FD .SYS 3P 21-Mar-84 STARTS.BAK 2 12-Jun-98
FILE .BAD 5218 STARTS.COM 2 19-Apr-99
FILEX .SAV 18P 21-Mar-84 STPD09.PAS 10P 21-Mar-84
FLIST3.EDT 15P 20-Jan-87 STP09 .OBJ 7P 21-Mar-84
FLIST3.SAV 72P 20-Jan-87 STRING.PAS 10P 21-Mar-84
FOCAS .SAV 74 08-Apr-84 SUPD09.PAS 14P 21-Mar-84
FORMAT.SAV 19P 21-Mar-84 SWAP .SYS 25P 21-Mar-84
FSTAT3.SAV 90P 13-Mar-87 SYSLIB.OBJ 47P 21-Mar-84
FTRMC3.EDT 16P 20-Jan-87 SYSMAC.MAC 42P 21-Mar-84
FTRMC3.SAV 212P 20-Jan-87 SYSMAC.SML 42P 21-Mar-84
FTRMP3.EDT 15P 20-Jan-87 TABLE .DOC 23P 21-Mar-84
FTRMP3.SAV 151P 20-Jan-87 TECO .SAV 50P 21-Mar-84
FTRMR3.EDT 15P 26-Jan-87 TECO .TC 23P 21-Mar-84
FTRMR3.SAV 144P 26-Jan-87 THK09 .OBJ 14P 21-Mar-84
FTRMS3.EDT 15P 13-Mar-87
FTRMS3.SAV 166P 13-Mar-87
GETSTR.FOR 2P 21-Mar-84
GLBH09.PAS 30P 21-Mar-84
GUIDE .DOC 113P 21-Mar-84
HEARTS.PAS 63P 21-Mar-84
HELP .EXE 7P 21-Mar-84
HELP .MLB 98P 21-Mar-84
HELP .SAV 107P 21-Mar-84
HND09 .OBJ 3P 21-Mar-84

IMP .PAS 42P 21-Mar-84
IMP .SAV 42P 21-Mar-84
INSERT.TEC 2P 21-Mar-84
TT .SYS 2P 21-Mar-84
TYPE .TEC 12P 21-Mar-84
INTRO .DOC 17P 21-Mar-84 USER .DOC 35P 21-Mar-84
VEG .TEC 4P 21-Mar-84
ISSP9A.OBJ 133P 21-Mar-84 VMLINK.SAV 39P 21-Mar-84
VTEDIT.TEC 32P 21-Mar-84
KED .SAV 60P 21-Mar-84 VT52 .TEC 5P 21-Mar-84
K52 .SAV 55P 21-Mar-84
LASTDA.ISP 1 19-Apr-99
LAS09 .OBJ 3P 21-Mar-84
LIBR .SAV 22P 21-Mar-84
LIFE .PAS 12P 21-Mar-84
LINK .SAV 41P 21-Mar-84
LOCAL .TEC 3P 21-Mar-84
LP .SYS 2P 21-Mar-84
LS .SYS 2P 21-Mar-84
MAC .SAV 77P 21-Mar-84
MACRO .SAV 51P 21-Mar-84
MAC8K .SAV 56P 21-Mar-84
214 Files, 11416 Blocks
8966 Free blocks
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