1541 <-> MAC possible?
Dan Benson
Got asked the following question today:
Anyway to hook up a Mac to a 1541 like you would on a PC with Star Commander?
Anybody know? I don't think there's a MAC version of SC......... Anything
comparable?
Cameron Kaiser
>Got asked the following question today:
>Anyway to hook up a Mac to a 1541 like you would on a PC with Star Commander?
Not yet, unfortunately. I keep a 486 laptop around for this very purpose
(making disk images and copying .d64s <-> disks).
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Michael J Schülke
> "Dan Benson" <no...@noway.com> writes:
>
> >Got asked the following question today:
> >Anyway to hook up a Mac to a 1541 like you would on a PC with Star Commander?
>
> Not yet, unfortunately. I keep a 486 laptop around for this very purpose
> (making disk images and copying .d64s <-> disks).
>
a a Mac four years ago), but since Mac OS X is based on a Unix kernel,
couldn't you put a PCI parallel port card into a Mac and try to get
cmb4linux to work?
Cheers,
Michael
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Godfather
There should be a way, although I haven't tried myself due to lack of
time. I bet Cameron knows better.
The Godather.
Cameron Kaiser
>>Not yet, unfortunately. I keep a 486 laptop around for this very purpose
>>(making disk images and copying .d64s <-> disks).
>I might be overlooking some very obvious problems here (having last used
>a a Mac four years ago), but since Mac OS X is based on a Unix kernel,
>couldn't you put a PCI parallel port card into a Mac and try to get
>cmb4linux to work?
Interesting thought but since I use an Old World Mac (a 7300 with a G3/500)
it would take some additional effort to get this system to run OS X. I'll
try this when I get my new Power Mac, but that's a little while in the
future :-)
Martijn van Buul
> I might be overlooking some very obvious problems here (having last used
> a a Mac four years ago), but since Mac OS X is based on a Unix kernel,
> couldn't you put a PCI parallel port card into a Mac and try to get
> cmb4linux to work?
Mac OS X isn't that free, it's not too easy to obtain the source of Darwin
(The BSD-layer of MacOS X). Furthermore, the difference between Linux
and Darwin is just too big to make a port worthwhile. Redesigning the entire
thing is probably less work.
I once ran Linux on my mac, so I even briefly considered this option, but
PCI printer ports are *sooo* expensive, compared to what you get :(
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Martijn van Buul
> 7300 with a G3/500)
OS X didn't exactly fly on my G3/233, and it had plenty of memory. I think
I'll blame the pretty lousy on-board video of my beige G3, though. In the
end, I spent most of my time running XDarwin and some windowmanager. In
that case, it's better to skip OS X, and run a *decent* NetBSD clone -
namely NetBSD itself ;)
The NeXT-isms were driving me insane.
Cameron Kaiser
>>7300 with a G3/500)
>OS X didn't exactly fly on my G3/233, and it had plenty of memory. I think
>I'll blame the pretty lousy on-board video of my beige G3, though. In the
>end, I spent most of my time running XDarwin and some windowmanager. In
>that case, it's better to skip OS X, and run a *decent* NetBSD clone -
>namely NetBSD itself ;)
If I do run a Unixy thing on the 7300, it will be NetBSD, yes, definitely.
I think this system is probably up to the task of running OS X -- it has an
ATI Rage 128 accelerator and 352MB RAM as well as two fast SCSI drives --
but it's not worth the effort IMHO to get OS X to run on an Old World system.
>The NeXT-isms were driving me insane.
:-)
MagerValp
MJS> I might be overlooking some very obvious problems here (having
MJS> last used a a Mac four years ago), but since Mac OS X is based on
MJS> a Unix kernel, couldn't you put a PCI parallel port card into a
MJS> Mac and try to get cmb4linux to work?
Getting a linux kernel module to run under BSD would be non-trivial.
If you're running MacOS X you should be able to get Serial Slave to
run, but so far my only beta tester hasn't been able to smack perl
over the head hard enough.
http://www.cling.gu.se/~cl3polof/serslave/
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Dan Benson
drive is with a WINTEL piece of cr*p?
:-(
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Cameron Kaiser
>Cripes guys, your telling me the only way to interact with a trusty old CBM
>drive is with a WINTEL piece of cr*p?
At the moment, yes. I don't know enough about Mac hardware to write my own
Star Commander clone.
Joe Forster/STA
> Cripes guys, your telling me the only way to interact with a trusty old CBM
> drive is with a WINTEL piece of cr*p?
Please, don't bother with the usual "PC = crap" crap, it's boring!
<yawn> Also, if you don't like Wintel machines, use a DOSAMD machine
instead. Have fun,
Joe Forster/STA
s...@c64.org
Dave Dahle
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> Cripes guys, your telling me the only way to interact with a trusty old
CBM
> drive is with a WINTEL piece of cr*p?
What is it with you Mac evangelists and your one-button mice? ::P
Dave
Miika Seppänen
<daniel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Cripes guys, your telling me the only way to interact with a trusty old CBM
>drive is with a WINTEL piece of cr*p?
>
Well, I'm not a Amiga-owner, but I think this is also possible with
Amiga. Also, you and others could be interested of Marko Mäkelä's
C2N232-device:
http://www.funet.fi/pub/cbm/crossplatform/transfer/C2N232/index.html
-Miika
J. Robertson
wrote:
Hi Joe,
Yeah, all the "PC is crap" stuff is getting real pathetic.
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> Cripes guys, your telling me the only way to interact with a trusty old
> CBM drive is with a WINTEL piece of cr*p?
No, you can of course use a Linux/AMD based computer instead.
> :-(
:-)
Ciao,
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
Sam Gillett
J. Robertson wrote in message ...
>On 29 Mar 2002 11:11:50 +0100, s...@ludens.elte.hu (Joe Forster/STA)
>wrote:
>
>Hi Joe,
>
>>Hi Dan,
>>
>>> Cripes guys, your telling me the only way to interact with a trusty old
CBM
>>> drive is with a WINTEL piece of cr*p?
>>
>>Please, don't bother with the usual "PC = crap" crap, it's boring!
>><yawn> Also, if you don't like Wintel machines, use a DOSAMD machine
>>instead. Have fun,
>
>Yeah, all the "PC is crap" stuff is getting real pathetic.
>
annual flame war (CBM vs Sinclair). After all, many of the Commodore fans
here use Windows as well.
Best regards,
Sam Gillett aka Mars Probe @ Starship Intrepid 1-972-221-4088
Last 8-bit BBS in the Dallas area. Commodore lives!
Carl
Two years ago I had the opportunity to use (at that time) a brand new
iMac. With it came an iDock. It was a bases that plugged unto the USB
ports of the iMac and gave you a 25 pin LPT port, 9 pin COM ports,
joystick ports, etc. With Virtual PC (Version 3.02 at that time),
Trans64, and a cool 1571 with LPT cabe, I could transfer CBM Disks to the
Mac finder (VIA VPC's win98 window) without any problems. I know there
are USB<->Parallel (centrontics) cables (HP sells them). With VPC 5.x,
amd an iDOCK you CAN transfer disks. I haven't tried it without the
iDOCK, but I'm assuming that a USB<->Parallel cable with a Centronics<->
25pin adapter would allow one to do it just fine to install and use the
15x1 drives. I have noticed that the USB<->SCSI cables almost have the
same pinouts that you need for a 25 pin parallel connection, too...
Never tried the later.
Tschüs!
Carl
In article <3ca3d714$1...@spamkiller.newsgroups.com>,
daniel...@hotmail.com says...
Cameron Kaiser
>Two years ago I had the opportunity to use (at that time) a brand new
>iMac. With it came an iDock. It was a bases that plugged unto the USB
>ports of the iMac and gave you a 25 pin LPT port
You mean this actually worked in VPC?! Cool! What type of cable was it?
ATM I only have an old-school X1541 I got with the old C64S package deal.
Right now, on the Mac I have VPC 4.0 running Windows 98.
Joe Forster/STA
>>Two years ago I had the opportunity to use (at that time) a brand new
>>iMac. With it came an iDock. It was a bases that plugged unto the USB
>>ports of the iMac and gave you a 25 pin LPT port
>
> You mean this actually worked in VPC?! Cool! What type of cable was it?
> ATM I only have an old-school X1541 I got with the old C64S package deal.
> Right now, on the Mac I have VPC 4.0 running Windows 98.
Carl, _I_ am also interested in this. Could you, please, make up a
step-by-step guide on how to make this sort of connection work on
a Mac, using VirtualPC? (I don't have _any_ Macs around so I can't
test it myself. Not to mention that I know shit about Macs anyway...
<:-I ) Thanks in advance,
Joe Forster/STA
s...@c64.org
Anders Carlsson
> I don't know enough about Mac hardware
Me neither, but I believe the only commonly available ports (if you're
having a really old Mac at least :-) are the RS-422 (printer and modem).
Does all such Macs have two of these?
TxD- (3), TxD+ (6) (output data)
RxD- (5), RxD+ (8) ( input data)
HSKo (1) (output handshake)
HSKi (2) ( input handshake/external clock)
GPi (7) ( input general purpose, on some models n/c)
Com (4) (ground)
Diagrams on how to connect RS-232 devices are not displayed here.
From "Inside Macintosh: Devices":
% Because of hardware differences between the serial ports in some
% Macintosh models, you should use the printer port for output-only
% connections to devices such as printers, at a maximum data rate of
% 9600 baud. The printer port is not recommended for two-way
% communication at data rates above 300 baud."
Does a typical IEC device as the 1541 communicate beyond 300 baud?
I don't know much about communication, but was thinking two RS-422
ports could be used (one with DATA and CLK, one with ATN ?) together
and then you'd only need the software to drive it... ;-)
Hm. I have an old LC475 in the basement. Not that I've ever done any
Mack.. err, hacking on those, and even less programming.
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Marko Mäkelä
Anders> Diagrams on how to connect RS-232 devices are not displayed
Anders> here.
The connection is described in the Linux Serial-HOWTO. I don't know
if it works, as I don't have any old Mac equipment:
EIA-422 is twisted pair (known as "balanced" or "differential) and is
(per specs) exactly 100 times as fast as EIA-423 (which in turn is
somewhat faster than EIA-232). Apple's Mac computer prior to mid-1998
with its EIA-232/EIA-422 Port uses it. The Mac used a small round
"mini-DIN-8" connector. It also provided conventional EIA-232 but at
only at 5 volts (which is still legal EIA-232). To make it work like
at EIA-232 one must use a special cable which (signal) grounds RxD+
(one side of a balanced pair) and use RxD- as the receive pin. While
TxD- is used as the transmit pin, for some reason TxD+ should not be
grounded.
The C2N232 device I've designed could be extended to work as a bridge
between RS-232 and the Commodore serial bus by just adding a few wires
and writing the firmware. Unfortunately nobody seems interested in
this project that would allow lower-end computers to take care of the
high-level serial bus emulation while leaving the timing-sensitive
tasks to the dedicated microcontroller.
Marko
Martijn van Buul
> Cameron Kaiser <cka...@stockholm.ptloma.edu> writes:
>
>> I don't know enough about Mac hardware
>
> Me neither, but I believe the only commonly available ports (if you're
> having a really old Mac at least :-) are the RS-422 (printer and modem).
> Does all such Macs have two of these?
The serial ports are gone. AFAIK, the last mac to feature them was a Blue'n'
white G3 - but I'm not too sure. Modern macs don't have them.
Anders Carlsson
> Modern macs don't have them.
But newer Macs has something more sane, more "standard" instead?
Like maybe a legacy LPT or USB or firewire (huh, connect your CBM
equipment through firewire?). Or as someone suggested, PCI slot(s)
to insert a LPT card if nothing else.
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MagerValp
AC> But newer Macs has something more sane, more "standard" instead?
Yes, USB and Firewire ports.
Cameron Kaiser
>>>I don't know enough about Mac hardware
>>Me neither, but I believe the only commonly available ports (if you're
>>having a really old Mac at least :-) are the RS-422 (printer and modem).
>>Does all such Macs have two of these?
>The serial ports are gone. AFAIK, the last mac to feature them was a Blue'n'
>white G3 - but I'm not too sure. Modern macs don't have them.
The Blue G3 still has ADB, but I think the serial ports stopped after the
Beige.
Carl Reilly
van Buul" <pie...@c64.org> wrote:
>
> The serial ports are gone. AFAIK, the last mac to feature them was a Blue'n'
> white G3 - but I'm not too sure. Modern macs don't have them.
>
Will a key-span work to bring serial to the USB? Within the chooser it
looks as tho you have serial printer & serial modem ports. I've used these
things with serial tablets and such.
Carl
Carl Reilly
<s...@ludens.elte.hu> wrote:
It quite some time ago when I used an iDock. It works fantastic tho. For a
very cheap description of one, here a link.
http://www.usb-shop.com/apple1.html
But, with it and the software that came with it, VPC could understand the
parallel ports. As for a step by step, from what I can remember, I mounted
the iMac on top of the iDock, installed the software, added the extensions
for VPC, booted up VPC with windows 98 and loaded up Trans64. It's been a
few, but that's pretty much the logic of doing it. I haven't tried it any
other way, actually.
Carl