CCS64 keyboard rant
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"real" C64 keyboard? It's probably just me, though. I haven't
touched a real C64 keyboard for over a decade so I'm not used
to it anymore, and when using CCS64 it's a hassle not being
able to hold down Shift and press ' (next to Enter) on my PC
keyboard to type a quote, as in LOAD"*",8,1
What are your thoughts on this? Am I in the minority here?
winston...@yahoo.com
No, especially those of us who never really touched a C64 before...
It was harder to find the "+", IIRC. Or was it "-". I haven't touched
an emulator in a while though. I thought most offered two mappings
these days, one close to the original keyboard and another to the
keyboard keys. One of these is most often referred to as "natural" (I
think the one mapping to the keyboard keys).
C64 is harder to map than some due to some non-standard keys...
Jim Brain
so they are as they appear on the KB.
It made C=Key development tough, though.
Jim
Rick Youngman
Maddening ?? not realy .... confusing --- most definantly !!!!
Somehow pressing a key, that has a symbol on it --- one would expect
that output to be rendered. This is not the result when using Vice or
CCs64 on a PC keyboard.
Jim Brain has created a hardware solution from what I hear works well
( if you can find an old C= keyboard that still works --- that someone
doesn't want an arm and a leg for, because it is attached to a working
C=64 ... if you catch my drift )
But fear not ......... go here :
http://www.4keyboard.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=141
where you can buy a set of stickers to apply to an old PC keyboard. I
haven't personally bought a set yet --- maybe someone here has, and
can recomend the site and or product.... but it seems cheap enough
And then there is this ( of my own doing )
http://users.commspeed.net/wlbbs/vice-keys.html
and that is Totally FREE ... ( make sure you print the images in
Landscape mode tho )
David Murray
of VICE (Or at least all the ones I have tried) do not work when told
to use a different keymap.
Rick Youngman
Editing the _vkm file has to be "exact" syntax... and it can-not dis-
agree with another argument..
In otherwords.... if you re-map the @ on the PC keyboard to the $
sign, you will also have to tell the map where to find the @ sign now
too on the PC keyboard... It can get confusing.
I spent a bit of time, trying to customize my Vice keyboard, with
"some" success... but the English pound sign kept things difficult....
I finally laid it to rest, to come back to latter and made the "cheat
sheets" above.
Maybe I'll get back to the project, or possibly someone here will
share thier customized keyboard maps with us, before that.
The F9 to F12 keys are unused on Vice.... they should/could be put to
good use too
Leif Bloomquist
news:026206f3-58ef-486e...@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>I actually find it to be highly annoying. Plus, the Windows versions
> of VICE (Or at least all the ones I have tried) do not work when told
> to use a different keymap.
Use this keymap.
This provides a (hopefully sensible) symbolic mapping on US/Canadian
keyboards. I actually based it win_pos.vkm. Copy it as a text to your
.\C64 directory as a .vkm file and point VICE to it. You might have to do
some trickery to get VICE to recognize it, i.e. I just put it in place of
win_pos.vkm.
-----------------------------------------------
# VICE keyboard mapping file
#
# Modified by Leif Bloomquist on March 23/2007 to
# give a proper symbolic mapping on US kbds - finally!!!1
#
# A Keyboard map is read in as patch to the current map.
#
# File format:
# - comment lines start with '#'
# - keyword lines start with '!keyword'
# - normal line has 'keysym/scancode row column shiftflag'
#
# Keywords and their lines are:
# '!CLEAR' clear whole table
# '!INCLUDE filename' read file as mapping file
# '!LSHIFT row col' left shift keyboard row/column
# '!RSHIFT row col' right shift keyboard row/column
# '!VSHIFT shiftkey' virtual shift key (RSHIFT or LSHIFT)
# '!UNDEF keysym' remove keysym from table
#
# Shiftflag can have the values:
# 0 key is not shifted for this keysym/scancode
# 1 key is shifted for this keysym/scancode
# 2 left shift
# 4 right shift
# 8 key can be shifted or not with this keysym/scancode
# 16 deshift key for this keysym/scancode
# 32 another definition for this keysym/scancode follows
#
# Negative row values:
# 'keysym -1 n' joystick #1, direction n
# 'keysym -2 n' joystick #2, direction n
# 'keysym -3 0' first RESTORE key
# 'keysym -3 1' second RESTORE key
# 'keysym -4 0' 40/80 column key
# 'keysym -4 1' CAPS (ASCII/DIN) key
#
!CLEAR
!LSHIFT 1 7
!RSHIFT 6 4
!VSHIFT RSHIFT
#0 -1 -1 0 /* (no key) */
1 7 7 8 /* ESC -> Run/Stop */
2 7 0 8 /* 1 -> 1 */
3 7 3 40 /* 2 -> 2 */
3 5 6 16 /* @ -> @ */
4 1 0 8 /* 3 -> 3 */
5 1 3 8 /* 4 -> 4 */
6 2 0 8 /* 5 -> 5 */
7 2 3 40 /* 6 -> 6 */
7 6 6 16 /* ^ -> ^ */
8 3 0 40 /* 7 -> 7 */
8 2 3 1 /* & -> & */
9 3 3 40 /* 8 -> 8 */
9 6 1 16 /* * -> * */
10 4 0 40 /* 9 -> 9 */
10 3 3 1 /* ( -> ( */
11 4 3 40 /* 0 -> 0 */
11 4 0 1 /* ) -> ) */
12 5 3 8 /* Minus -> Minus */
13 6 5 40 /* Equal -> Equal */
13 5 0 16 /* + -> + */
14 0 0 8 /* Backspace -> Del */
15 7 2 8 /* TAB -> Ctrl */
16 7 6 8 /* Q -> Q */
17 1 1 8 /* W -> W */
18 1 6 8 /* E -> E */
19 2 1 8 /* R -> R */
20 2 6 8 /* T -> T */
21 3 1 8 /* Y -> Y */
22 3 6 8 /* U -> U */
23 4 1 8 /* I -> I */
24 4 6 8 /* O -> O */
25 5 1 8 /* P -> P */
26 5 5 1 /* [ -> [ */
27 6 2 1 /* ] -> ] */
28 0 1 8 /* Return -> Return */
29 7 5 8 /* Left Ctrl -> CBM */
30 1 2 8 /* A -> A */
31 1 5 8 /* S -> S */
32 2 2 8 /* D -> D */
33 2 5 8 /* F -> F */
34 3 2 8 /* G -> G */
35 3 5 8 /* H -> H */
36 4 2 8 /* J -> J */
37 4 5 8 /* K -> K */
38 5 2 8 /* L -> L */
39 6 2 40 /* ; -> ; */
39 5 5 16 /* : -> : */
40 3 0 33 /* ' -> ' */
40 7 3 1 /* ' -> ' */
41 7 1 40 /* ` -> Left Arrow */
41 6 6 1 /* ~ -> Pi */
42 1 7 2 /* Left Shift -> Left Shift */
43 6 0 8 /* \ -> Pound */
44 1 4 8 /* Z -> Z */
45 2 7 8 /* X -> X */
46 2 4 8 /* C -> C */
47 3 7 8 /* V -> V */
48 3 4 8 /* B -> B */
49 4 7 8 /* N -> N */
50 4 4 8 /* M -> M */
51 5 7 8 /* , -> , */
52 5 4 8 /* . -> . */
53 6 7 8 /* / -> / */
54 6 4 4 /* Right Shift -> Right Shift */
55 6 1 8 /* Grey * -> * */
#56 -1 -1 0 /* Left Alt -> (no key) */
57 7 4 8 /* Space -> Space */
58 7 7 8 /* Caps Lock -> Run/Stop */
59 0 4 8 /* F1 -> F1 */
60 0 4 1 /* F2 -> F2 */
61 0 5 8 /* F3 -> F3 */
62 0 5 1 /* F4 -> F4 */
63 0 6 8 /* F5 -> F5 */
64 0 6 1 /* F6 -> F6 */
65 0 3 8 /* F7 -> F7 */
66 0 3 1 /* F8 -> F8 */
#67 -1 -1 0 /* F9 -> (no key) */
#68 -1 -1 0 /* F10 -> (no key) */
#69 -1 -1 0 /* Num Lock -> (no key) */
#70 -1 -1 0 /* Scroll Lock -> (no key) */
#71 -1 -1 0 /* Numpad 7 -> (no key) */
#72 -1 -1 0 /* Numpad 8 -> (no key) */
#73 -1 -1 0 /* Numpad 9 -> (no key) */
#74 -1 -1 0 /* Numpad - -> (no key) */
#75 -1 -1 0 /* Numpad 4 -> (no key) */
#76 -1 -1 0 /* Numpad 5 -> (no key) */
#77 -1 -1 0 /* Numpad 6 -> (no key) */
#78 -1 -1 0 /* Numpad + -> (no key) */
#79 -1 -1 0 /* Numpad 1 -> (no key) */
#80 -1 -1 0 /* Numpad 2 -> (no key) */
#81 -1 -1 0 /* Numpad 3 -> (no key) */
#82 -1 -1 0 /* Numpad 0 -> (no key) */
#83 -1 -1 0 /* Numpad . -> (no key) */
#84 -1 -1 0 /* SysReq -> (no key) */
#85 -1 -1 0 /* 85 -> (no key) */
#86 -1 -1 0 /* 86 -> (no key) */
#87 -1 -1 0 /* F11 -> (no key) */
#88 -1 -1 0 /* F12 -> (no key) */
89 6 3 8 /* Home -> CLR/HOME */
90 0 7 1 /* Up -> CRSR UP */
#91 -1 -1 0 /* PgUp -> (no key) */
92 0 2 1 /* Left -> CRSR LEFT */
93 0 2 8 /* Right -> CRSR RIGHT */
#94 -1 -1 0 /* End -> (no key) */
95 0 7 8 /* Down -> CRSR DOWN */
#96 -1 -1 0 /* PgDown -> (no key) */
97 0 0 1 /* Ins -> Shift-Del (Ins)*/
98 0 0 8 /* Del -> Del */
#99 -1 -1 0 /* Numpad Enter -> (no key) */
#100 -1 -1 0 /* Right Ctrl -> (no key) */
#101 -1 -1 0 /* Pause -> (no key) */
#102 -1 -1 0 /* PrtScr -> (no key) */
#103 -1 -1 0 /* Numpad / -> (no key) */
#104 -1 -1 0 /* Right Alt -> (no key) */
#105 -1 -1 0 /* Break -> (no key) */
106 7 5 8 /* Left Win95 -> CBM */
#107 -1 -1 0 /* Right Win95 -> (no key) */
#
# Joystick 1
#
#KP_0 -1 0
#KP_1 -1 1
#KP_2 -1 2
#KP_3 -1 3
#KP_4 -1 4
#KP_5 -1 5
#KP_6 -1 6
#KP_7 -1 7
#KP_8 -1 8
#KP_9 -1 9
#
# Joystick 2
#
#w -2 7
#e -2 8
#r -2 9
#s -2 4
#d -2 5
#f -2 6
#x -2 1
#c -2 2
#v -2 3
#space -2 0
# Restore key mappings
91 -3 0 /* PgUp -> RESTORE */
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> http://users.commspeed.net/wlbbs/vice-keys.html
Now I like this! I'm going to print it out and see how I go.