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Paul Förster
Mar 16, 2014, 5:12:52 PM3/16/14
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Hi,
the 1350 mouse is more or less a reversed trackball emulating a
joystick. So far, so good. But what is the difference between the 1351
and 1351a mice? What dies the "a" stand for in terms of features or
functionality?
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Paul
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the 1350 mouse is more or less a reversed trackball emulating a
joystick. So far, so good. But what is the difference between the 1351
and 1351a mice? What dies the "a" stand for in terms of features or
functionality?
--
cul8er
Paul
paul.f...@gmx.net
SD!
Mar 19, 2014, 6:29:36 AM3/19/14
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Paul Förster <paul.f...@gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> the 1350 mouse is more or less a reversed trackball emulating a joystick.
> So far, so good. But what is the difference between the 1351 and 1351a
> mice? What dies the "a" stand for in terms of features or functionality?
Where did you find this a?
> Hi,
>
> the 1350 mouse is more or less a reversed trackball emulating a joystick.
> So far, so good. But what is the difference between the 1351 and 1351a
> mice? What dies the "a" stand for in terms of features or functionality?
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SD!
Paul Förster
Mar 19, 2014, 2:48:58 PM3/19/14
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Hi SD!,
On 2014-03-19 10:29:36 +0000, SD! said:
> Where did you find this a?
in the GEOS input device selector. It has three items "JOYSTICK", "COMM
1351" and "COMM 1531a".
I never saw a 1351a in the wild, only a 1351. So I wonder what the "a"
version is.
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Paul
paul.f...@gmx.net
On 2014-03-19 10:29:36 +0000, SD! said:
> Where did you find this a?
1351" and "COMM 1531a".
I never saw a 1351a in the wild, only a 1351. So I wonder what the "a"
version is.
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cul8er
Paul
paul.f...@gmx.net
SD!
Mar 19, 2014, 8:23:28 PM3/19/14
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Paul Förster <paul.f...@gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi SD!,
>
> On 2014-03-19 10:29:36 +0000, SD! said:
>> Where did you find this a?
>
> in the GEOS input device selector. It has three items "JOYSTICK", "COMM
> 1351" and "COMM 1531a".
>
> I never saw a 1351a in the wild, only a 1351. So I wonder what the "a" version is.
I don't recall seeing this in Geos. Might it be simply a different driver
> Hi SD!,
>
> On 2014-03-19 10:29:36 +0000, SD! said:
>> Where did you find this a?
>
> in the GEOS input device selector. It has three items "JOYSTICK", "COMM
> 1351" and "COMM 1531a".
>
> I never saw a 1351a in the wild, only a 1351. So I wonder what the "a" version is.
that somehow found its way on your Geos disk?
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SD!
Paul Förster
Mar 20, 2014, 5:04:49 PM3/20/14
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Hi SD!,
On 2014-03-20 00:23:28 +0000, SD! said:
> I don't recall seeing this in Geos. Might it be simply a different driver
> that somehow found its way on your Geos disk?
though I can't say for sure, I don't think so, because every GEOS disk
I ever came across (including original disks!) has these three entries.
I never bought an original disk directly in a store, only second hand.
So I can't say what the previous owner did to them. But did all
previous owners add/replace a mouse driver? IMHO unlikely.
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cul8er
Paul
paul.f...@gmx.net
On 2014-03-20 00:23:28 +0000, SD! said:
> I don't recall seeing this in Geos. Might it be simply a different driver
> that somehow found its way on your Geos disk?
I ever came across (including original disks!) has these three entries.
I never bought an original disk directly in a store, only second hand.
So I can't say what the previous owner did to them. But did all
previous owners add/replace a mouse driver? IMHO unlikely.
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cul8er
Paul
paul.f...@gmx.net
Clocky
Mar 20, 2014, 5:25:53 PM3/20/14
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SD!
Mar 20, 2014, 9:08:26 PM3/20/14
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Geos versions and some good years ago now..
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SD!
Paul Förster
Mar 22, 2014, 5:54:50 PM3/22/14
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Hi Clocky,
On 2014-03-20 21:25:53 +0000, Clocky said:
> 1351a is the accelerated mouse driver, 1351 is the standard one.
which means both drivers should work with a 1351? Well, in fact the
1351a does not seem to work while the 1351 does. Strange...
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cul8er
Paul
paul.f...@gmx.net
On 2014-03-20 21:25:53 +0000, Clocky said:
> 1351a is the accelerated mouse driver, 1351 is the standard one.
1351a does not seem to work while the 1351 does. Strange...
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cul8er
Paul
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Clocky
Mar 22, 2014, 7:59:09 PM3/22/14
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On 23/03/2014 5:54 AM, Paul Förster wrote:
> Hi Clocky,
>
> On 2014-03-20 21:25:53 +0000, Clocky said:
>> 1351a is the accelerated mouse driver, 1351 is the standard one.
>
> which means both drivers should work with a 1351? Well, in fact the
> 1351a does not seem to work while the 1351 does. Strange...
The 1351 has two modes of operation, joystick and proportional.
> Hi Clocky,
>
> On 2014-03-20 21:25:53 +0000, Clocky said:
>> 1351a is the accelerated mouse driver, 1351 is the standard one.
>
> which means both drivers should work with a 1351? Well, in fact the
> 1351a does not seem to work while the 1351 does. Strange...
I don't know if the drivers use two different modes, but maybe one mode
isn't working. Could be a dud mouse, a dud computer or a dud driver ;-)
Since I don't use Geos or have a mouse someone else here might be able
confirm that the 1351a driver works.
I take it the computer has a working SID and the paddles work, and the
joystick port works ok?
And it's not the mouse shaped 1350 joystick is it?
Paul Förster
Mar 23, 2014, 5:34:09 AM3/23/14
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Hi Clocky,
On 2014-03-22 23:59:09 +0000, Clocky said:
> The 1351 has two modes of operation, joystick and proportional.
I know, depending on whether the right button is pressed on mouse power-up.
> I don't know if the drivers use two different modes, but maybe one mode
> isn't working. Could be a dud mouse, a dud computer or a dud driver ;-)
the hardware is ok. Everything works. Just the 1351a driver does not.
Paddles do, joysticks do, and the 1351 driver does too. I just gave it
another try and now it works. Strange. Maybe a loose contact? What
makes me wonder is: Using COMM 1351 behaves exactly the same as does
COMM 1351(a). No playing around with the acceleration sliders in the
Preferences have any influence on mouse speed. It's just fixed and
doesn't change.
> Since I don't use Geos or have a mouse someone else here might be able
> confirm that the 1351a driver works.
>
> I take it the computer has a working SID and the paddles work, and the
> joystick port works ok?
see above.
> And it's not the mouse shaped 1350 joystick is it?
it's an original packaged 1351 mouse and the bottom label also says so:
"MODEL: 1351"
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Paul
paul.f...@gmx.net
On 2014-03-22 23:59:09 +0000, Clocky said:
> The 1351 has two modes of operation, joystick and proportional.
> I don't know if the drivers use two different modes, but maybe one mode
> isn't working. Could be a dud mouse, a dud computer or a dud driver ;-)
Paddles do, joysticks do, and the 1351 driver does too. I just gave it
another try and now it works. Strange. Maybe a loose contact? What
makes me wonder is: Using COMM 1351 behaves exactly the same as does
COMM 1351(a). No playing around with the acceleration sliders in the
Preferences have any influence on mouse speed. It's just fixed and
doesn't change.
> Since I don't use Geos or have a mouse someone else here might be able
> confirm that the 1351a driver works.
>
> I take it the computer has a working SID and the paddles work, and the
> joystick port works ok?
> And it's not the mouse shaped 1350 joystick is it?
"MODEL: 1351"
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cul8er
Paul
paul.f...@gmx.net
Clocky
Mar 23, 2014, 9:05:00 AM3/23/14
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On 23/03/2014 5:34 PM, Paul Förster wrote:
> Hi Clocky,
>
> On 2014-03-22 23:59:09 +0000, Clocky said:
>> The 1351 has two modes of operation, joystick and proportional.
>
> I know, depending on whether the right button is pressed on mouse power-up.
>
>> I don't know if the drivers use two different modes, but maybe one
>> mode isn't working. Could be a dud mouse, a dud computer or a dud
>> driver ;-)
>
> the hardware is ok. Everything works. Just the 1351a driver does not.
> Paddles do, joysticks do, and the 1351 driver does too. I just gave it
> another try and now it works. Strange. Maybe a loose contact? What makes
> me wonder is: Using COMM 1351 behaves exactly the same as does COMM
> 1351(a). No playing around with the acceleration sliders in the
> Preferences have any influence on mouse speed. It's just fixed and
> doesn't change.
>
Would be interesting to do a comparison using a hex editor.
> Hi Clocky,
>
> On 2014-03-22 23:59:09 +0000, Clocky said:
>> The 1351 has two modes of operation, joystick and proportional.
>
> I know, depending on whether the right button is pressed on mouse power-up.
>
>> I don't know if the drivers use two different modes, but maybe one
>> mode isn't working. Could be a dud mouse, a dud computer or a dud
>> driver ;-)
>
> the hardware is ok. Everything works. Just the 1351a driver does not.
> Paddles do, joysticks do, and the 1351 driver does too. I just gave it
> another try and now it works. Strange. Maybe a loose contact? What makes
> me wonder is: Using COMM 1351 behaves exactly the same as does COMM
> 1351(a). No playing around with the acceleration sliders in the
> Preferences have any influence on mouse speed. It's just fixed and
> doesn't change.
>
>> Since I don't use Geos or have a mouse someone else here might be able
>> confirm that the 1351a driver works.
>>
>> I take it the computer has a working SID and the paddles work, and the
>> joystick port works ok?
>
> see above.
>
>> And it's not the mouse shaped 1350 joystick is it?
>
> it's an original packaged 1351 mouse and the bottom label also says so:
> "MODEL: 1351"
When I open the files in a hex editor there is some text in the 1351a
driver which states:
"New, accellerated mouse driver covers more area when moved quickly."
The 1351 driver states:
"Input driver for the Commodore 1351 proportional mouse."
So when you move it quickly, using the 1351a driver, does the mouse
pointer cover more area?
Paul Förster
Mar 23, 2014, 2:17:14 PM3/23/14
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Hi Clocky,
On 2014-03-23 13:05:00 +0000, Clocky said:
> So when you move it quickly, using the 1351a driver, does the mouse
> pointer cover more area?
yes, it does, but not sooooo much noticable. Also, the acceleration
settings in Preferences don't seem to have any effect. Anyway, the
mouse works. That's what counts. :-)
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Paul
paul.f...@gmx.net
On 2014-03-23 13:05:00 +0000, Clocky said:
> So when you move it quickly, using the 1351a driver, does the mouse
> pointer cover more area?
settings in Preferences don't seem to have any effect. Anyway, the
mouse works. That's what counts. :-)
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Paul
paul.f...@gmx.net
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