C64 Carts Rare or not?
Tim
much. I recently got some titles like HERO, Zaxxon, Zone Ranger, Pitfall
1&2, Frogger, BC's Quest for about $5 a piece over the last year or so...
The don't seem to be as popular as Atari 800 Carts, those sell for a lot
higher. One lot sold for over $500! (50 carts or so...)
Tim
Linards Ticmanis
On the C64 carts that do not contain electronic hacks but only pure ROMs
are limited to rather small games, 16K I think.
Also, Datasettes were cheap and most people had one, and casettes are
much cheaper to make than carts I believe. That's probably why carts
never really caught on on the C64. A third reason may be that the C64's
big takeoff in sales coincided with the video game crash; the Atari 800
was around a few years earlier, when carts were still *the* distribution
medium for games.
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support censible and buy some nice new carts along with original box...
thats what i did :-D
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Matthew W. Miller
<ticm...@coli.uni-sb.de> wrote:
> Tim wrote:
>> Are Carts rare for the C64?
> Datasettes were cheap and most people had one, and casettes are much
> cheaper to make than carts I believe.
Same here in Yankland, but replace 'cassettes' with 'diskettes'.
Granted, you can't copy that floppy with a home stereo. :)
> That's probably why carts never really caught on on the C64.
Although some pirates specialised in dumping cartridges to disk Back In
The Day(TM). It can be done, at least for the 8- or 16-KB cards,
without any extra equipment-- you have to gingerly insert the cartridge
(without crossing any signals!), run a routine to copy cart ROM to
system RAM (preferably ML!), gingerly remove the cartridge (once again,
without crossing any signals!), then save to disk/tape. And then
probably spend hours hacking around all the bits that expect to be able
to slap stuff into RAM willy-nilly...
Oh, I notice that a lot of the 256KB+ wonders floating around contain
the message 'CARTRIDGE MASTERING SYSTEM WRITTEN BY JOHN TWIDDY. (C) 1990
VIVID IMAGE DEVELOPMENTS LTD.' A pretty swell track record he has!
http://www.jgb.abelgratis.co.uk/PROG/T/TWIDDY.HTML
I wonder whether he could be cajoled into sharing an SDK (or at least
some source code) for his cartridge mastering system. ;)
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Richard James
> Although some pirates specialised in dumping cartridges to disk Back In
> The Day(TM). It can be done, at least for the 8- or 16-KB cards,
> without any extra equipment-- you have to gingerly insert the cartridge
> (without crossing any signals!), run a routine to copy cart ROM to
Actually you could get a board with a toggle switch on it. insert the
cartridge into the board and toggle the switch to off. Turn on the computer
then toggle the switch to on.
Richard :)
Mika
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Tim wrote:
Get yourself a Digital Press Guide (www.digitpress.com). It'll give you rarity
info on cartridges for all the old systems, including the 64 and 800. It also
cites prices, but these tend to be higher than you can actually find them for on
ebay.
In general, though, carts for the 64 are more common than those for the 800,
probably because more 64s were sold thus there were more people buying software
in all formats, including carts. There are lots of common titles for both
systems, but more real rarities for the Atari. The auction you cite probably
contained some choice titles, hence the high price. And of course a cartridge
can be very common on one system (pitfall 2 is a good example) and rather hard
to find on another.
*Shameless plug* if you want to trade carts for the 64, 800, or any other old
system, check out my tradelist at
http://krslam.homestead.com/files/havelist.html
-Ron
Tom
Memory Manor Fisher Price
Kids on Keys Spinnaker
Logic Levels Fisher
Earnie's Magic Shapes CBS
Fraction Fever Spinnaker
Alphabet Zoo Spinnaker
Alpha Build Fisher
Big Bird Special Delivery CBS
Delta Drawing Spinnaker
Ducks Ahoy CBS
Frogger
Galaxain Atarisoft
Number Tumblers Fisher
Peanut Butter Panic CBS
Sea Speller Fisher
Up and Add 'Em Fisher
Visible Solar System Commodore
Wizard of Wor Comodore.
Still have my original C128 set up (my first computer), have backup 128D and
C64. Also have Vic 20. I think my brother still has his 128D too, he does not
use it anymore though.
Tom
http://TomMage.com/ Visit my Ultima Infocom and RPG page for a history of
Ultima (including pics of Ultima Escape from Mt. Drash), some nice music and
games for sale/trade.
krs...@nospamnetscape.net
Tom wrote:
> I have a few cart only C64 titles, any of them good as trade bait?
>
> Memory Manor Fisher Price
> Kids on Keys Spinnaker
> Logic Levels Fisher
> Earnie's Magic Shapes CBS
> Fraction Fever Spinnaker
> Alphabet Zoo Spinnaker
> Alpha Build Fisher
> Big Bird Special Delivery CBS
> Delta Drawing Spinnaker
> Ducks Ahoy CBS
> Frogger
> Galaxain Atarisoft
> Number Tumblers Fisher
> Peanut Butter Panic CBS
> Sea Speller Fisher
> Up and Add 'Em Fisher
> Visible Solar System Commodore
> Wizard of Wor Comodore.
>
Nothing that would rate higher than "uncommon" there, and most of them are
educational titles that are generally less valued. Sorry.
-Ron
Tom
>educational titles that are generally less valued.
Ah well, I'd still trade or sell if anyone is interested, I don't use the
carts.
Terminator
how much are you offering ;-)
Peter Rittwage
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Larry Anderson
usually because they have special electronics in them and besides, they
are VERY useful.. But even then nothing approaching 'big bux' like
rare atari ones... :-/
Utility carts like Action Replay, Final Cartridge III, Super Snapshot 5,
or some diagnostic carts. Once in a while a classic like Isepic maybe.
I buy a few game carts mainly because I like the load time (plug it in,
turn on the computer, instant game!) But I'm pretty frugal in my
purchasing too.
Larry
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MayhemUK
> usually because they have special electronics in them and besides, they
> are VERY useful.. But even then nothing approaching 'big bux' like
> rare atari ones... :-/
That or complete carts... they seem to go for rather high amounts
sometimes due to the number of bidders wanting everything boxed with
manual (including myself). Such rare carts on the C64 would include:
Double Dragon (both Ocean and HES Australia)
Romox releases
Mr Computer releases
Dinamic releases
MAX cartridges
Mayhem
Blacklord
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: C64 Carts Rare or not?
> That or complete carts... they seem to go for rather high amounts
> sometimes due to the number of bidders wanting everything boxed with
> manual (including myself). Such rare carts on the C64 would include:
>
> Double Dragon (both Ocean and HES Australia)
Rare ?? the HES ones (here in Oz) are fairly common, I usually chuck one of
these (along with the CBM ones like International Soccer & Visible Solar
System) in with my auctions for C64's on eBay.
Maybe I should advertise 'em seperately on eBay UK only :-)
cheers,
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> Rare ?? the HES ones (here in Oz) are fairly common, I usually chuck one
of
> these (along with the CBM ones like International Soccer & Visible Solar
> System) in with my auctions for C64's on eBay.
Some were rare, like "Leaderboard Golf". The company spent money to buy the
licence and ship an American programmer down under to develop the multi-ROM
technology, but only managed to sell about 2000 units.
The Activision ones were different - the entire Activision cartridge and box
inventory was shipped to Australia. Several hundred thousand units. When
some ran out, HES had to produce more locally, hence the two different
cartridge shell and label designs.
Marc Walters
Gary Tait
>Actually you could get a board with a toggle switch on it. insert the
>cartridge into the board and toggle the switch to off. Turn on the computer
>then toggle the switch to on.
Or map it to a different memory block, or swap address or data lines
(recorrecting them in software).
Tim
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Those seem to be European only releases. Right? Are they PAL only? I
wonder if these work on NTSC C64's? I saw some nice titles on eBay like
Robo Cop 2, Last Ninja 2 on cart. Would be nice to own. Are these the CGS
titles?
Tim
Tim
Or any Activision carts for that matter!
Tim
MayhemUK
> licence and ship an American programmer down under to develop the multi-ROM
> technology, but only managed to sell about 2000 units.
I seen quite a few Leaderboard carts on eBay. I've only ever seen one
HES Double Dragon cart in my life, and I own it ;)
Needless to say, that's why I think it's rare heh...
Mayhem
MayhemUK
> > Romox releases
> > Mr Computer releases
> > Dinamic releases
> > MAX cartridges
> >
> > Mayhem
>
> Those seem to be European only releases. Right? Are they PAL only? I
> wonder if these work on NTSC C64's? I saw some nice titles on eBay like
> Robo Cop 2, Last Ninja 2 on cart. Would be nice to own. Are these the CGS
> titles?
Romox and Mr Computer are US releases from the early days in 82 and
83.
MAX carts are the releases from Japan.
Dinamic were a Spanish company, and Ocean of course from the UK. Most
PAL carts will work fine on NTSC machines. A couple reportedly have a
few little glitches, but nothing major so I hear.
Mayhem
MayhemUK
> Or any Activision carts for that matter!
I only have a boxed and complete Designer's Pencil for sale out of the
Activision range currently. On the other hand, it's signed on the
front by the programmer Gary Kitchen ;)
Interested? :)
Mayhem
Leo
Any idea why Xonox didnt release any C64 games? I find it strange that
they released games for the Vic20 but not the C64. This site seems to think
they did but they must be mixed up with the Vic.
http://www.uvlist.com/lista4.asp?sort=name&fprod="Xonox"
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> Dinamic were a Spanish company, and Ocean of course from the UK. Most
> PAL carts will work fine on NTSC machines. A couple reportedly have a
> few little glitches, but nothing major so I hear.
At least one of the games on the C64GS pack-in cartridge can't be played
on an NTSC system (or... cough... at least on VICE x64 in NTSC mode).
It never notices the joystick-button press to get past the title screen.
MayhemUK
> they released games for the Vic20 but not the C64. This site seems to think
> they did but they must be mixed up with the Vic.
> http://www.uvlist.com/lista4.asp?sort=name&fprod="Xonox"
They did... just not on cartridge. I've had an original of "Ghost
Manor/Spike's Peak" through my hands by them at least (though this was
released by HES for some reason), and most of their Vic20 catalog was
converted to the better machine.
Mayhem