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Goodbye To CMD. It's Time To Move On.

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Doug Cotton

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Dec 4, 2001, 12:59:52 AM12/4/01
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December 14th of this year will be my last day at CMD. It's been a
long, sometimes bumpy but often rewarding journey. I'd like to thank
those of you whom I've considered distant friends for the time we've
spent together. I'd also like to thank the community as a whole -
without those of you who have supported the Commodore platform for so
long, so many great memories would have never been.

The first big Q-Link bash. The look of appreciation on Dave Haynie's
face when first saw the CMD HD and blurted out something about how he
wished Commodore would make products like that. The night in New York
where I sat having drinks with Gail Wellington, never realizing until
much later that the guy at the table buying me drinks and telling
dirty jokes all night was the father of Pong. The moments in the wee
hours of the morning when the silly things that pop out of your mouth
are the things that actually end up making a product work. All
priceless.

And the people. I think back not only to meeting Jim Butterfield, Jim
Oldfield, Fender Tucker, Lou Wallace, Fred Bowen, Lauren Lovhaug and a
host of other Commodore luminaries... but also to the user group
meetings in Chicago, New York, New Brunswick and Phoenix, and the
shows in Pennsylvania, Toronto, New York and Los Angeles where I met
so many other Commodore users, all just doing their own thing. Those
are the folks that had the most impact on my input to our designs. My
sincere thanks to all those who have so warmly befriended me in these
brief encounters over the years. And to Gaelyne, Maurice, Shari, Jim,
Jason, Steve and the rest of the original Commodore World gang, words
can't express my gratitude for all your efforts and your friendship
over the years.

And so I'm moving on, but not so much because CMD no longer produces
Commodore products, but simply because I don't see myself doing the
'local PC repair shop' thing for the next few years. I'm a developer
at heart, and there's little of that to be done at CMD these days,
aside from some occasional web work. So I've taken a position as the
Web Programmer for Hampshire College, a liberal arts school located in
Amherst, MA, where they've just committed to a major update to their
www presence. I'll still be doing some web programming for CMD here
and there, and continue to develop web and other programming projects
with Del Padre Visual Productions (take a peek at delpadre.com if
you're interested and have a PC with an up-to-date Flash plug-in).

For those of you who may wish to contact me in the future, I suggest
using my dcotton account at dougcotton.com. I'll keep some forwarding
on some of my CMD accounts for a little while, but eventually those
will be phased out.

Again, thanks to everyone in the community. I'll remember this era of
my life fondly for all the years to come.


Doug Cotton

Marc Walters

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Dec 4, 2001, 4:33:41 PM12/4/01
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"Doug Cotton" <dco...@dougcotton.com> wrote in message
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> December 14th of this year will be my last day at CMD. It's been a
> long, sometimes bumpy but often rewarding journey. I'd like to thank
> those of you whom I've considered distant friends for the time we've
> spent together. I'd also like to thank the community as a whole -
> without those of you who have supported the Commodore platform for so
> long, so many great memories would have never been.
[snip]

*sigh*
Doug and CMD spent over ten years developing consistently innovative
hardware and software for a market that desperately needed those very
products. Every day I look at my SCPU and other CMD devices I feel a sense
of wonder that these things can transform my 20 year-old C64 into such a
useful old workhorse. There is perhaps only slightly less amazement that CBM
never produced peripherals for the 64 with the enthusiasm that CMD had.
Where was CBM's HD, their T232, their JD, their RL, their SCPU? CMD is what
Commodore's 8-bit products division SHOULD have been, and perhaps in a way
was the de facto 8-bit arm of that company.

A tear? Ah, no, it's just a bit of moisture - a bit of dust got in my eye.
I'll um, be right in a tick.

Marc


Jean P Nance

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Dec 4, 2001, 4:48:44 PM12/4/01
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Bye Doug! It was good while it lasted, and you were a big part of it.
Thanks for everything. The rest of us will journey on, but you and CMD
will be missed. Big sigh!
Jean Nance


ap...@chebucto.ns.ca.nospam

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Dec 4, 2001, 5:57:34 PM12/4/01
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>
> Re: Goodbye To CMD. It's Time To Move On.

>
> From: "Marc Walters" <ma...@objectconnections.com>
>Doug and CMD spent over ten years developing consistently innovative
>hardware and software for a market that desperately needed those very
>products. Every day I look at my SCPU and other CMD devices I feel a sense
>of wonder that these things can transform my 20 year-old C64 into such a
>useful old workhorse. There is perhaps only slightly less amazement that CBM
>never produced peripherals for the 64 with the enthusiasm that CMD had.
>Where was CBM's HD, their T232, their JD, their RL, their SCPU? CMD is what
>Commodore's 8-bit products division SHOULD have been, and perhaps in a way
>was the de facto 8-bit arm of that company.

My _impression_ is that CMD's gift was in distribution not creation. Their
foundation was jiffydos which I _think_ they bought already created out of
house. There was a C= hard drive - Jack Vanderwhite has one. Perhaps never
marketed. My Stereo Sid was created by Dr. Evil, not CMD. My Swiftlink was
Dr. Evil. Virtually all their software was someone else's which theyto
varying degrees marketed. (Godot, TWS etc.).

While there may be peripherals I have missed (their own version of
geocable), the hard drive, Super cpu and Ramlink were the only innovations
they produced. And I found at least initially the Ramdrive to be as
useful and reliable as the Ramlink (but less supported).

Distribution and promotion and 3 pieces of hardware were their heritage.
While I have many CMD products, I own nothing created by them (unless the
2 meg reu was produced inhouse).

John Elliott
The above is partly devil's advocate-please correct factual errors.
John


Cameron Kaiser

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Dec 4, 2001, 6:15:20 PM12/4/01
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dco...@dougcotton.com (Doug Cotton) writes:

>Again, thanks to everyone in the community. I'll remember this era of
>my life fondly for all the years to come.

As long as you keep a 64 or two on hand, we'll forgive you. :-) Seriously --
the very best of luck.

--
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personal page: http://www.armory.com/%7Espectre/
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Rick Youngman

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Dec 4, 2001, 8:26:46 PM12/4/01
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Chomp down and byte hard Doug

Thanks for all the support over the years...... let's face it, there is
a limit to what an 8 bit machine can do, and I think you helped take it
there.... and moving on will only make you young again, with some new
found projects, and inspirations.

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@host.sk CreaMD/Dmagic

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Dec 4, 2001, 7:52:15 PM12/4/01
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Excuse moi, why do you think it's so important to discuss this?

CreaMD


Burt

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Dec 4, 2001, 8:49:31 PM12/4/01
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Part of a great era! Let's hope you gave good foundation for Click Here
Software to build from! :-)
But seriously best of luck ! AND I love that FD2000 - 1581 is not worth
keeping around when you have that puppy!
Thanks a million to CMD & you Doug!
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ap...@chebucto.ns.ca.nospam

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Dec 4, 2001, 9:13:03 PM12/4/01
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> Re: Goodbye To CMD. It's Time To Move On.
>

CMD deserve praise-for the reasons I mentioned. But it is unfair to the
many people who created many of their products to not give them credit
also.
The previous poster seemed to think that most CMD products were created
by them. They were not.

I am no better. I have no idea who developed Jiffydos.

John Elliott

Larry Anderson

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Dec 4, 2001, 9:13:25 PM12/4/01
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I can understand your reasoning there; I hope this is a good move for
you and that you still get opportunities to get your fingers burned now
and again (soldering up protoypes).

You did a fine job on all the products, all well worth the time you out
into them and also still in use after many years of good service.

And if you ever get lonely, drop by the newsgroup, most of us dedicated
geeks will probably still be here. Though I hope you will check in more
often, as it always an interesting read and it seems the 64 ain't dead
yet, which in good part is due to your efforts.

Thanks!

Doug Cotton wrote:
>
> December 14th of this year will be my last day at CMD. It's been a
> long, sometimes bumpy but often rewarding journey. I'd like to thank
> those of you whom I've considered distant friends for the time we've
> spent together. I'd also like to thank the community as a whole -
> without those of you who have supported the Commodore platform for so
> long, so many great memories would have never been.
>

[snip]


>
> Again, thanks to everyone in the community. I'll remember this era of
> my life fondly for all the years to come.
>
> Doug Cotton

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Sam Gillett

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Dec 4, 2001, 9:45:54 PM12/4/01
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Just a thank you note to Doug,

Thanks for all the time and effort that you put into supporting an obsolete
computer Doug. Although Commodore went bankrupt and no longer produced
their line of 8-bit computers, many people, for whatever reason, kept right
on using them.

Most of us appreciate the support for the Commodore 8-bit platform that CMD
provided over the years. Let us hope that Maurice will carry the torch that
Doug handed to him as well as Doug has!

Farewell and thanks! Best of luck to you, and let us hear from you in the
newsgroups from time to time.

Best regards,

Sam Gillett aka Mars Probe @ Starship Intrepid 1-972-221-4088
Last 8-bit BBS in the Dallas area. Commodore lives!


@host.sk CreaMD/Dmagic

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Dec 4, 2001, 11:11:19 PM12/4/01
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It's not even a year since the whole C64 support on CMD wen't belly up. I
really wonder if those 2 posts aren't few months old and just got lost in
the system and posted delayed. Maurice is carrying the torch for some while
already.

CreaMD


CreaMD

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Dec 5, 2001, 10:45:44 AM12/5/01
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> CMD deserve praise-for the reasons I mentioned. But it is unfair to the
> many people who created many of their products to not give them credit
> also.
> The previous poster seemed to think that most CMD products were created
> by them. They were not.
>
> I am no better. I have no idea who developed Jiffydos.
>
> John Elliott

I have the biggest problem with timming of all this debate. It's
already few months since CMD dropped C64 line of their products. I'm
really thankful for their SuperCPU and JiffyDos that's all I can add
to this. The rest of my groupmates use all kinds of their equipment
(turbo 232, ramlin, hard-drive, etc)Thanx CMD. I shut up...

have a nice day...

Roman

Jason Compton

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Dec 5, 2001, 11:31:49 AM12/5/01
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ap...@chebucto.ns.ca.nospam wrote:

: The previous poster seemed to think that most CMD products were created


: by them. They were not.

: I am no better. I have no idea who developed Jiffydos.

CMD was co-founded by JiffyDOS's creator.

Your point is valid that not every product ever shipped by CMD, or
even sold with a CMD brand name on it, was originally designed by CMD
technicians (such as the SwiftLink and SID cart, which as you say were
originally Dr. Evil, and the EX-series expanders which if I recall
correctly were Skyles products.)

Yet while CMD did not create the first or only Commodore hard drive, they
did make the most accessible. While they did not make the first or only
Commodore accelerator, they did make the fastest and arguably the most
compatible. While they did not make the only RAM disk solution, they did
make the most flexible. Ditto the 3.5" floppy drive. And in whatever they
did, they did it longer than just about anybody else in the business.

So if you'd like to compliment them for tenacious distribution, terrific,
but don't short the technological breakthroughs, either.

--
Jason Compton jcom...@xnet.com

ap...@chebucto.ns.ca.nospam

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Dec 5, 2001, 5:46:12 PM12/5/01
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>
> Re: Goodbye To CMD. It's Time To Move On.
>

> From: Jason Compton <jcom...@typhoon.xnet.com>
>CMD was co-founded by JiffyDOS's creator.


Who was he (or she)? Did he move on shortly after or was he a silent
partner. I always assumed it was Charlie Jr. with family financial help.
Charlie Sr. is a real neat guy.

Did jiffydos have a brief retail life prior to CMD?

John

Jason Compton

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Dec 5, 2001, 6:28:31 PM12/5/01
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ap...@chebucto.ns.ca.nospam wrote:

: Who was he (or she)? Did he move on shortly after or was he a silent


: partner. I always assumed it was Charlie Jr. with family financial help.
: Charlie Sr. is a real neat guy.

: Did jiffydos have a brief retail life prior to CMD?

As I recall, the Christiansons saw Mark Fellows's ads for JiffyDOS in a
magazine and decided to contact him and propose a partnership. My CMD
history isn't really great...Dale Sidebottom chronicled CMD's
history in the last Commodore Worlds, and Maurice (and Doug, obviously)
know the stories much better than I do, so you might check with one of
them.

--
Jason Compton jcom...@xnet.com

Marc Walters

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<ap...@chebucto.ns.ca.nospam> wrote in message
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> >
> > Re: Goodbye To CMD. It's Time To Move On.
> >
> > From: "Marc Walters" <ma...@objectconnections.com>
> >Doug and CMD spent over ten years developing consistently innovative
> >hardware and software for a market that desperately needed those very
> >products. Every day I look at my SCPU and other CMD devices I feel a
sense
> >of wonder that these things can transform my 20 year-old C64 into such a
> >useful old workhorse. There is perhaps only slightly less amazement that
CBM
> >never produced peripherals for the 64 with the enthusiasm that CMD had.
> >Where was CBM's HD, their T232, their JD, their RL, their SCPU? CMD is
what
> >Commodore's 8-bit products division SHOULD have been, and perhaps in a
way
> >was the de facto 8-bit arm of that company.
>
> My _impression_ is that CMD's gift was in distribution not creation. Their
> foundation was jiffydos which I _think_ they bought already created out of
> house. There was a C= hard drive - Jack Vanderwhite has one. Perhaps never
> marketed. My Stereo Sid was created by Dr. Evil, not CMD. My Swiftlink was
> Dr. Evil. Virtually all their software was someone else's which theyto
> varying degrees marketed. (Godot, TWS etc.).

The heavy duty PSU and EX series of expansion port expanders were CMD's. The
Skyles designs were dropped as they were too expensive to produce. The CBM
hard drive was an IEEE contraption and was not serial-port compatible. Mark
Fellows of Fellows Inc produced it and soon joined CMD. JiffyDOS helped
build CMD in the ealy years (>70000 unit sales).

> While there may be peripherals I have missed (their own version of
> geocable), the hard drive, Super cpu and Ramlink were the only innovations
> they produced. And I found at least initially the Ramdrive to be as
> useful and reliable as the Ramlink (but less supported).
>
> Distribution and promotion and 3 pieces of hardware were their heritage.
> While I have many CMD products, I own nothing created by them (unless the
> 2 meg reu was produced inhouse).

Fair enough. Remember that CBM very rarely had software development inhouse
(Mr Tramiel did not support it) so most of their products were brought in
from other companies and individuals. It was still Commodore software,
though.

Hmm. Was the GEOS replacement Gateway a CMD thing? Or was it from Germany
like Perfect print?

> John Elliott
> The above is partly devil's advocate-please correct factual errors.
> John

Yes, you're mostly correct, and I agree to an extent with your POV.

I like to think of CMD as "enablers". Their key products (RAM expansion
solutions, mass storage, faster processing) enabled software to become more
useful and extend their life. For example, GEOS is painful to use without a
SCPU, FD or HD and RAM expansion (RL, XL, etc). Novaterm without T232 is
slow, World Class Leaderboard without SCPU and HD is slow. They saw where a
product was required and created it. And did a pretty good job at it.

Marc

Doug Cotton

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Dec 5, 2001, 9:36:35 PM12/5/01
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:28:31 +0000 (UTC), Jason Compton
<jcom...@typhoon.xnet.com> wrote:

>ap...@chebucto.ns.ca.nospam wrote:
>
>: Who was he (or she)? Did he move on shortly after or was he a silent
>: partner. I always assumed it was Charlie Jr. with family financial help.
>: Charlie Sr. is a real neat guy.
>
>: Did jiffydos have a brief retail life prior to CMD?
>
>As I recall, the Christiansons saw Mark Fellows's ads for JiffyDOS in a
>magazine and decided to contact him and propose a partnership. My CMD
>history isn't really great...

JiffyDOS was created by Mark Fellows, founder of CMD. JiffyDOS was
initially produced and marketed by Mark under the corporate moniker of
Fellows, Inc. Mark was also the lead on almost every other product
created by CMD; the only exceptions I can think of are the Border Font
Collection for Perfect Print, and Commodore World both of which were
my projects. Mark is one of the three partners who currently own the
company, and still works at CMD.

Charles A. Christianson (Charlie 'junior') is a second cousin of
Mark's wife, and joined forces with Mark to assist in producing and
marketing JiffyDOS after being introduced to the product at a family
gathering. I believe that was around mid-1986. CMD was officially
incorporated in 1987 when Charles R. Christianson (Charlie 'senior')
came on board to provide additional funding and general management.

Charlie 'junior' is still with the company, but his father moved on to
other interests earlier this year.


Doug Cotton

Matthew Montchalin

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Dec 6, 2001, 12:02:30 AM12/6/01
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Marc Walters wrote:
|The heavy duty PSU and EX series of expansion port expanders were CMD's.

Well, I *do* like heavy duty power supplies. So, that's a good thing.

And I still have lots of stuff to collect that happens to have the
CMD trademark on it. All in all, a positive influence on the after-
market Commodore industry and economy.

Paul Allen Panks

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Dec 6, 2001, 12:13:16 AM12/6/01
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Doug,

CMD has provided Commodore with some excellent memories. I am sorry to
see you retire. You will be missed. ;)

Paul

dco...@dougcotton.com (Doug Cotton) wrote in message news:<3c0c4bec...@news.ne.mediaone.net>...

rbernardo

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Dec 6, 2001, 9:53:28 PM12/6/01
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Marc Walters said:

> The CBM hard drive was an IEEE contraption and was not serial-port
> compatible. Mark Fellows of Fellows Inc produced it and soon joined CMD.

If we're talking about the CMD hard drive, Charlie Andrews says that
he invented the hardware. In fact, it was my privilege to meet Charlie a
few years ago at a Lane County Commodore Club (Eugene, Oregon) a few years
ago. He brought with him CMD hard drive #1 - the prototype!!! It was a
sight to see. It was in a large, metal case, hand-wired inside, lots of
LED lights for testing purposes, and hot glue holding together some of the
components. There was no drive mech installed... just the board and case.
I took a few photos of it (I wonder where I put them). He talked about
how he and Charlie Christianson would take the prototype to shows to order
to demo it.
Charlie Andrews is still bitter that he hasn't received royalties for
his design. Back in 1999, I tried to get Ron and Ruth Hackley to set up
another meeting between Charlie and myself, but it seems that he had
disappeared. I *would* gladly send him some monies for his effort.

Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group

Doug Cotton

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Dec 7, 2001, 1:44:14 AM12/7/01
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On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 02:53:28 GMT, rbernardo
<rber...@veenet.value.net> wrote:

>Marc Walters said:
> If we're talking about the CMD hard drive, Charlie Andrews says that
>he invented the hardware.

> Charlie Andrews is still bitter that he hasn't received royalties for
>his design.

Frankly, that's only half the story... at best.

Charlie Andrews did indeed work on the original HD hardware design,
but it was a collaborative effort, involving Charlie Andrews, Mark
Fellows, and to a small degree, myself. I won't embarrass Charlie by
posting the full story publicly, but suffice it to say that he was
unable to get the hardware to pass FCC testing, and parted ways with
the company at that point in time.

Despite his inability to complete the project, CMD assisted him
financially in relocating back to Oregon, and paid him a pretty
generous royalty on the design he worked on. That royalty was more
charity than anything else.

Mark Fellows took over complete control of the hardware after that,
and with another month of redesign got the unit to pass FCC.

A year later, Mark Fellows thoroughly redesigned the HD hardware, and
CMD ceased paying royalties when the new design was put into
production.

I've got nothing against Charlie Andrews. But frankly, to be bitter
after recieving a year's royalties on a project he couldn't complete
is beyond comprehension. Most companies would have fired him without a
second thought.


Doug Cotton

ap...@chebucto.ns.ca.nospam

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Dec 7, 2001, 7:42:06 PM12/7/01
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>
> Re: Goodbye To CMD. It's Time To Move On.
>
> From: dco...@dougcotton.com (Doug Cotton)

>I've got nothing against Charlie Andrews. But frankly, to be bitter
>after recieving a year's royalties on a project he couldn't complete
>is beyond comprehension. Most companies would have fired him without a
>second thought.
>
>
>Doug Cotton


I think unless Charlie personally attacks Doug in this group, It is a bit
unfair to dump on him in the above way.
The reports of Charlie's comments are second hand.
John Elliott

Robert Bernardo

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Dec 8, 2001, 1:18:59 AM12/8/01
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Doug Cotton wrote:

> Frankly, that's only half the story... at best.

Thanks for giving your side of the story. I will forward the
info to the Lane County Commodore Club, and perhaps they can
eventually make contact with Charlie Andrews again.
Speaking of royalties, were any paid to Arndt Dettke for CMD's
sales of Godot here in North America? He tells me that he has received
none.

ap...@chebucto.ns.ca.nospam

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>
> Re: Goodbye To CMD. It's Time To Move On.
>

> From: rber...@value.net (Robert Bernardo)
> Speaking of royalties, were any paid to Arndt Dettke for CMD's
>sales of Godot here in North America? He tells me that he has received
>none.
>
> Truly,
> Robert Bernardo
> Fresno Commodore User Group


Maybe he should have been fired too? ;)

Frankly my acquaintance over the years with several developers of hardware
and software to CMD has led me to believe that CMD was regularly cavalier
(not dishonest) with its software and hardware providers.

Dates were promised for release by CMD of products that were allowed to
slip by months without any contact being made with the developers.
Problems with hardware design were reported to CMD that were not reported
to the developer/creator by CMD. Releases were delayed for months while
manuals were re-written by CMD-which then showed haste by being full of
errors. In those specific cases I know because while doing reviews I was
in touch with the people invovled.

Doug, Charlie Sr. & Mrs Charlie Sr. have always been friendly and polite
to me on the phone- over a decade. Charlie Jr. came across (to me) as
abrasive, in your face, arrogant. I have kept quiet about this because I
thought it was just me.

Sounds like there were problems within CMD.

John Elliott


Doug Cotton

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Dec 8, 2001, 10:05:10 AM12/8/01
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On 7 Dec 2001 22:18:59 -0800, rber...@value.net (Robert Bernardo)
wrote:

>Doug Cotton wrote:
>
>> Frankly, that's only half the story... at best.
>
> Thanks for giving your side of the story. I will forward the
>info to the Lane County Commodore Club, and perhaps they can
>eventually make contact with Charlie Andrews again.
> Speaking of royalties, were any paid to Arndt Dettke for CMD's
>sales of Godot here in North America? He tells me that he has received
>none.

Since I'm not one of the owners, I don't get involved very much with
the financial side of the business. I could be incorrect here, but I
believe that Arndt initially recieved some equipment from us which was
to be charged against future royalties. The program never sold
particularly well, and last I heard it hadn't sold well enough to
cover the equipment he recieved.

Doug Cotton

Doug Cotton

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Dec 8, 2001, 9:55:24 AM12/8/01
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>I think unless Charlie personally attacks Doug in this group, It is a bit
>unfair to dump on him in the above way.
>The reports of Charlie's comments are second hand.
>John Elliott

It was not my intention to 'dump' on Charlie. His comments were made
public here by a reliable source, and I've heard them from several
other sources in the past. Therefore, I have no doubt that he made the
claims. I certainly believe that gives me full right to refute them,
and back up my arguement with any necessary details.

Doug Cotton

jf...@lava.net

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Dec 8, 2001, 4:41:34 PM12/8/01
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Dont just say goodbye.
Say Goodbye CMD hello Maurice (the new man behind the wheel)
Joe (aka kilroy)

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Dec 8, 2001, 6:52:52 PM12/8/01
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|On 7 Dec 2001 22:18:59 -0800, rber...@value.net (Robert Bernardo)
|wrote:
|> Speaking of royalties, were any paid to Arndt Dettke for CMD's
|>sales of Godot here in North America? He tells me that he has received
|>none.

Can somebody refresh my memory about Godot?

What are the memory and hardware requirements for Godot? Does it
require a C-64 or C-128? Does it have laserprinter support? If
it does, is it very picky on Hewlett-Packard 'font identification'
codes? -I still have some graphic fonts that I put together in
1989, and might like to make use of them still.

If I may digress, with 'The Write Stuff,' by R.Eric Lee, iirc, a
brief memory map *was* made available to programmers that wanted to
fine tune it. -Does Godot offer people a similar memory map?

How much does Godot go for now?

If all this information is theoretically available on the net somewhere,
that might explain why sales are low. (Lots of C-64 users don't like
having to boot up web-browsers and being expected to surf the web.)

Christopher Hume

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In article <Pine.SUN.3.96.1011208154429.7751A-
100...@compass.oregonvos.net>, mmon...@OregonVOS.net says...

> |On 7 Dec 2001 22:18:59 -0800, rber...@value.net (Robert Bernardo)
> |wrote:
> |> Speaking of royalties, were any paid to Arndt Dettke for CMD's
> |>sales of Godot here in North America? He tells me that he has received
> |>none.
>
> Can somebody refresh my memory about Godot?
>
> What are the memory and hardware requirements for Godot? Does it
> require a C-64 or C-128? Does it have laserprinter support? If
> it does, is it very picky on Hewlett-Packard 'font identification'
> codes? -I still have some graphic fonts that I put together in
> 1989, and might like to make use of them still.
>
> If I may digress, with 'The Write Stuff,' by R.Eric Lee, iirc, a
> brief memory map *was* made available to programmers that wanted to
> fine tune it. -Does Godot offer people a similar memory map?
>
> How much does Godot go for now?
>
As I understand it, the author has made it now free (I think public
domain, but am unsure re: that. However, cost-wise it's now free; I
remember that much for sure).

HTH
Chris

Alan Jones

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CMD did not "drop" thier line of CBM products. They sold the CBM line
to someone who will continue to manufacture, sell, and support the
line, but who has a smaller opperation with lower overhead. It is
more like a strategic downsizing than dropping the line.

Alan Jones


Robert Bernardo

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Dec 9, 2001, 2:48:22 AM12/9/01
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Dear Matthew,

You wrote:

> Can somebody refresh my memory about Godot?

Godot is the graphics manipulation and conversion program for the C64
and the C128 in C64 mode.

> What are the memory and hardware requirements for Godot?

Minimum requirements are the C= computer, a disk drive, tv/monitor,
and joystick/mouse. Godot supports almost all Commodore and CMD disk
drives (including RAMLink) for the C64/128. It uses RAM expanders to a
certain degree. It also will work with the SuperCPU (though clicking menu
items is too fast at times), Handyscanner, and Scanntronik Video
Digitizer. It supports Epson and compatible 9-pin and 24 pin BW or color
printers, Canon BJ printers, HP Deskjets, other PCL3 printers, and Epson
Stylus printers (by Canon, HP, PCL3, and Epson, we're talking about the
older ones and not the "dumb" Windows-only printers).

> Does it require a C-64 or C-128?

Yes.

> Does it have laserprinter support?

If the laser printer understands Epson or PCL3, then I'd say yes.

> If it does, is it very picky on Hewlett-Packard 'font identification'
> codes?

Unknown.

> Does Godot offer people a similar memory map?

Write to Arndt Dettke about this. He's at
god.adettke(at)t-online.de

> How much does Godot go for now?

It is now freely distributable (having gone this route a few months
ago).

> If all this information is theoretically available on the net somewhere,
> that might explain why sales are low.

You can download Godot at Arndt's site, www.godot.de and possibly
at other sites now that it is freely distributable.

Arndt Dettke

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Dec 9, 2001, 4:40:02 AM12/9/01
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Hi all,

let me add my comments to this as far it concerns GoDot:

---
"Robert Bernardo" <rber...@value.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:f890d44d.01120...@posting.google.com...

> > What are the memory and hardware requirements for Godot?
>
> Minimum requirements are the C= computer, a disk drive,
tv/monitor,
> and joystick/mouse.

You don't even need a stick or mouse. Just a machine and a drive.

> It uses RAM expanders to a certain degree.

REU's and VDC's memory if run from a C128.

> > Does it have laserprinter support?
>
> If the laser printer understands Epson or PCL3, then I'd say yes.

It also supports Optra Color printers in native mode since recently. I'd
say every Laser printer is capable of PCL (isn't it?)

> > If it does, is it very picky on Hewlett-Packard 'font
identification'
> > codes?
>
> Unknown.

GoDot is *not* text oriented, it's a graphics manipulation program.

> > Does Godot offer people a similar memory map?
>
> Write to Arndt Dettke about this. He's at
> god.adettke(at)t-online.de

Yes, but only in German up to now. Try
http://home.t-online.de/home/GoD.ADettke/inside_godot
And every request I receive gets responded to in a blink. Honest.

> > How much does Godot go for now?
>
> It is now freely distributable (having gone this route a few
months
> ago).

You can DL it for free from my support site at
http://members.aol.com/howtogodot/godnews.htm There you look for the
word "DOWNLOAD" and a list of files (at the bottom of that page).

> > If all this information is theoretically available on the net
somewhere,
> > that might explain why sales are low.
>
> You can download Godot at Arndt's site, www.godot.de and
possibly
> at other sites now that it is freely distributable.

The site address is www.godot64.de, Robert! ;-) If you're there, also
try the "GoDot Info" link. On top of that page you'll be linked to the
other sites GoDot gives information.

BTW some of my North American friends asked me to provide a Windows BMP
saver. Well, it is finished and can be DLed since the other day.

To what Doug said about my royalties from CMD: True, they sent me some
hardware in the beginning (*before* I made agreements with them), and I
was under the impression I received it for to better develop for their
hardware, which I gladly *did*. Also, in our agreement they wrote they
would (citation:) make available "a biannual statement to Mr. Dettke
within 45 days of the end of the reporting period. Said statement shall
include: Total Retail Sales, Total Dealer Sales, and Totla Sales in
dollars." I *NEVER* received such a statement...

At last: I don't depend on money from GoDot, so I didn't really look
after royalties. My intention to ask was merely to get to know *who*
(and how many) were using GoDot to be able to better help them! (Which I
*do*. Robert can confirm this.)

After all: Happy GoDot'ing! :-)

Arndt

Marc Walters

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"rbernardo" <rber...@veenet.value.net> wrote in message
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> Marc Walters said:
>
> > The CBM hard drive was an IEEE contraption and was not serial-port
> > compatible. Mark Fellows of Fellows Inc produced it and soon joined CMD.

Oops. my second sentence is refering to JiffyDOS, not the HD. Sorry - "Write
in haste, Edit at lesiure."

> If we're talking about the CMD hard drive, Charlie Andrews says that
> he invented the hardware. In fact, it was my privilege to meet Charlie a

[snip]


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