C-ONE: Where is Jeri and what about the PAL-Core?
Holger Banko
between Jeri and Jens.
The C64 Core was still awaited, because Jerry was busy with the C64 DTV and
stopped working on the C-One C64 PAL Core.
Are there any news about that? On what is Jeri actually working on?
Some insider informations would be great! Can I somewhere read the whole
story?
Hmm, seems that C-One is actually a very successfull Amstrad CPC Project.
--Holger
Riccardo Rubini
> C-One is actually a very successfull Amstrad CPC
> Project.
It should have been called the CPC-One, indeed...
Holger Banko
ACK :-)
Nice to see its flexibility but it would be even nicer for me to see the
PAL-Core.
--Holger
Clockmeister
"Holger Banko" <ba...@gmx.de> wrote in message
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I think she has cracked the shits and has kinda abandoned C1 development.
Or so it seems...
cb meeks
for me.
I wished she had devoted her time into something like a USB FlashDrive
for the C64.
Or a way of connecting the 1541 to a modern computer without having to
use those damn Xxxxx cables.
cbmeeks
RETRO COMPUTERS
http://eblarg.com/bbs/retro
Holger Banko
> Jeri is extremely bright. But the C-ONE seemed a little too expensive
> for me.
Yeah, I think the same. The C-ONE became more and more the neverending
story. Maybe at one point jerry realized, that she have to pay her bills
and to fill her fridge, like everybody else. You cant eat fame...
And maybe the high "hacking factor" of the C64 DTV is a proof for that
theory. She wanted to give something back to the community.
But this is far away from beeing a replacement for the missing C64 Cores.
Jens Schoenfeld seems to be the big looser...
--Holger
csynt
Holger Banko wrote:
> After reading a C64 Magazin a few months ago I heard about some trouble
> between Jeri and Jens.
In fact, AFAIK, Jeri DID NOT obey her contract with Jens.
As Jens wrote to me sometime at the past, he did the mistake to trust
Jeri
to build the C64 core.. (the "native" one)..
unfortunatelly, it was a vocal agreement.. that is: no written
contracts exist...
> The C64 Core was still awaited, because Jerry was busy with the C64 DTV and
> stopped working on the C-One C64 PAL Core.
I think, due to some restrictions from her contract by the company
behind the DTV..
>
> Are there any news about that? On what is Jeri actually working on?
>
I (as a C-one owner, I got it because of the c64 core..) would like to
see Jeri to provide some improvements to the existing core.. (like
support for the floppy..perhaps a working cartridge port..)
If she feels she can do this task, or provide any possible help to the
current c64 core developer Peter Wendrich, it will be very nice...
After all the c-one is a nice machine.. and it does not deserve to be
an ill-fate machine..
Rgrds
Chris
Leif Bloomquist
> On what is Jeri actually working on?
I believe she has a day job that doesn't have anything to do with Commodore.
Clockmeister
"csynt" <csyn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Especially after the hype and outlay, I think the C-one owners at least
deserve a C64 core that is fully functional.
MagerValp
HB> The C64 Core was still awaited, because Jerry was busy with the
HB> C64 DTV and stopped working on the C-One C64 PAL Core.
CS> I think, due to some restrictions from her contract by the company
CS> behind the DTV..
No, her DTV contract specifically allows her to use the cores on the
C-ONE as well.
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Robert Bernardo
> In fact, AFAIK, Jeri DID NOT obey her contract with Jens.
Jens *did not* obey his side of the contract with Jeri.
> As Jens wrote to me sometime at the past, he did the mistake to trust
> Jeri to build the C64 core.. (the "native" one)..
As Jeri told me, she made the mistake to trust Jens.
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and click ComVEX,
Robert Bernardo
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Clockmeister
"Robert Bernardo" <rber...@iglou.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, csynt wrote:
>
>> In fact, AFAIK, Jeri DID NOT obey her contract with Jens.
>
> Jens *did not* obey his side of the contract with Jeri.
>
>> As Jens wrote to me sometime at the past, he did the mistake to trust
>> Jeri to build the C64 core.. (the "native" one)..
>
> As Jeri told me, she made the mistake to trust Jens.
>
There are two sides to every story...
csynt
Robert Bernardo wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, csynt wrote:
>
> > In fact, AFAIK, Jeri DID NOT obey her contract with Jens.
>
> Jens *did not* obey his side of the contract with Jeri.
>
> > As Jens wrote to me sometime at the past, he did the mistake to trust
> > Jeri to build the C64 core.. (the "native" one)..
>
> As Jeri told me, she made the mistake to trust Jens.
>
Then... I have a question.. DID Jeri get money in order to develop the
c64 core? Yes, or no..
Rgrds
Chris
MagerValp
c> Then... I have a question.. DID Jeri get money in order to develop
c> the c64 core? Yes, or no..
You'll have to ask Jens and Jeri about their arrangement, but IIRC no.
Jens funded development, and I think the plan was to share revenue
from the finished boards.
Robert Bernardo
> Did Jeri get money in order to develop the c64 core?
She was partially paid.
http://www.commodore.ca/forum
and click on ComVEX,
Riccardo Rubini
not that I have anything against spokepersons, PR's, concierges and roadies,
but... Why does Jeri always reply through you? She does read this newsgroup,
after all, as you and others said more than once. Why doesn't she reply on
her own?
I mean, I am jealous, I too would like to have somebody speaking about what
I said in this or that occasion, in third person, always right on the spot
:-)
Lance Lyon
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> Hello Robert,
>
> not that I have anything against spokepersons, PR's, concierges and
> roadies, but... Why does Jeri always reply through you? She does read this
> newsgroup, after all, as you and others said more than once. Why doesn't
> she reply on her own?
>
> I mean, I am jealous, I too would like to have somebody speaking about
> what I said in this or that occasion, in third person, always right on the
> spot
She'd probably be snowed under with messages if she replied here at a guess!
Lance
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Clockmeister
"Riccardo Rubini" <rub...@despammed.com> wrote in message
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>
> not that I have anything against spokepersons, PR's, concierges and
> roadies, but... Why does Jeri always reply through you? She does read this
> newsgroup, after all, as you and others said more than once. Why doesn't
> she reply on her own?
One reason perhaps is that her opinion/words can't actually be attributed to
her directly since we can't prove on way or another whether she actually
said them or not. She can easily refute anything that way later by simply
saying that Robert misinterpreted her words (or just made up some bullshit)
> I mean, I am jealous, I too would like to have somebody speaking about
> what I said in this or that occasion, in third person, always right on the
> spot :-)
Another reason is that Robert may just have taken it upon himself to be her
spokesman to make himself feel important.
Clockmeister
"Lance Lyon" <ll...@landover.NOSPAM.no-ip.com> wrote in message
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> "Riccardo Rubini" <rub...@despammed.com> wrote in message
> news:44933ca8$0$3109$4faf...@reader1.news.tin.it...
>> Hello Robert,
>>
>> not that I have anything against spokepersons, PR's, concierges and
>> roadies, but... Why does Jeri always reply through you? She does read
>> this newsgroup, after all, as you and others said more than once. Why
>> doesn't she reply on her own?
>>
>> I mean, I am jealous, I too would like to have somebody speaking about
>> what I said in this or that occasion, in third person, always right on
>> the spot
>
> She'd probably be snowed under with messages if she replied here at a
> guess!
>
Only initially though.
csynt
Robert Bernardo wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Chris wrote:
>
> > Did Jeri get money in order to develop the c64 core?
>
> She was partially paid.
>
so, as you see she lost nothing.. in comparison to Jens..
Chris
rber...@value.net
> Why does Jeri always reply through you?
She isn't replying through me. It's just that Jeri won't defend
herself from the outrageous statements here. She wants to be above the
fray (i.e., not wanting to waste her energy).
> She does read this newsgroup, after all, as you and others said more than once.
Not too much anymore.
rber...@value.net
> ...she lost nothing.. in comparison to Jens..
Years of her life, creditors knocking on the door... all to work
on a Jens' cost-reduced board that is so crippled that it is extremely
difficult, maybe impossible to squeeze the PAL core into it.
Clockmeister
<rber...@value.net> wrote in message
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> Chris wrote:
>
>> ...she lost nothing.. in comparison to Jens..
>
> Years of her life, creditors knocking on the door...
How very dramatic, but you can't tell me she didn't do OK out of the DTV.
all to work
> on a Jens' cost-reduced board that is so crippled that it is extremely
> difficult, maybe impossible to squeeze the PAL core into it.
I'm sure the cost reduction is necessary for more reasons then just to piss
Jeri off. He's got to be able to move units and make a profit so the boards
have to be kept at a minimum cost.
Jens Bürger
> "Riccardo Rubini" <rub...@despammed.com> wrote in message
> news:44933ca8$0$3109$4faf...@reader1.news.tin.it...
>> Hello Robert,
>>
>> not that I have anything against spokepersons, PR's, concierges and
>> roadies, but... Why does Jeri always reply through you? She does read this
>> newsgroup, after all, as you and others said more than once. Why doesn't
>> she reply on her own?
>>
>> I mean, I am jealous, I too would like to have somebody speaking about
>> what I said in this or that occasion, in third person, always right on the
>> spot
>
> She'd probably be snowed under with messages if she replied here at a guess!
I'm an author of a German retro-computing magazine (www.lotek64.com); we
wanted to do a "both-sides-of-the-story"-article, in which both Jeri and
Jens can tell what they want to tell about the C-One story.
We said that the article would be published in German and English aswell
und would'nt be published until both Jeri and Jens agree with the content.
So we offered both Jeri and Jens this interview - Jeri didn't want to be
interviewed.
The result was that we only could ask Jens about some details of the C
One-story.
Jens
rber...@value.net
> I'm an author of a German retro-computing magazine (www.lotek64.com); we
> wanted to do a "both-sides-of-the-story"-article...
Hello, Jens, nice to hear from you again. I had a very pleasant
time meeting you and the others at the Plush Meeting back in July,
2005.
> We said that the article would be published in German and English as well...
Hmm, has it come out in English? As soon as it came out last
year, I downloaded it and had Hans Franke, organizer of the Vintage
Computer Festival Europa, do an oral translation of it.
Jim Brain
> How very dramatic, but you can't tell me she didn't do OK out of the DTV.
Monetarily, Jeri commented at CCCC EXPO she has not received payment
above the earnest money for the DTV. But, to your point, I think the
DTV has opened lots of hardware design opportunities for her, which it
appears she is enjoying and more than pay the bills.
In the end, I'm not sure there will ever be a C-1 CBM PAL core.
o The relationship is very sour
o Jeri feels the cost reduction was pushed on her, so she has little
incentive to finish
o Jens doesn;t have a core, so he's not paying any more money
o Jeri doesn't have her cash, so she's not providing a core
o Most of the original owners are upset at Jeri or Jens (or both) for
not having a complete core)
o Jeri's got lots of other projects to keep her busy
At this point, casting blame is educational at best, as I don't see a
way out of the mess, unless someone offers to step in and mediate (hold
Jens' cash in escrow, so Jeri knows the cash is there, then project
manage the final pieces of the core, etc.) and even that might not work.
Dragos
buy a c-1. And there is no law saying someone else cant write a core
for it. if you bought an unpoven product based on marketing claims
that were unsubstantiated at the time, shame on you. how many boards
have actually been sold? I understand that 250 were produced and that
there are still a lot left. isthat the case or another rumour?
Robert Bernardo
> I understand that 250 were produced...
300
> ...and that there are still a lot left.
Yes.
CommVEx webpage update at
http://commvex.petscii.com ,
Robert Bernardo
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
Ah, yes, Wikipedia... the unscholarly encyclopedia.
> It's a great pity that, thanks to Jeri, the other C64-compatible
> projects (like www.mycpu.thtec.org/mycpu.mikrocontroller.net)
> suffered due to the Vapourware effect, and couldn't the the critical
> mass of interest to turn their -already-working- hardware into a
> commercially viable 'product'...
I see that you are trying to lay blame. Schoenfeld shot himself
in the foot by cost-reducing and thus crippling it. Jeri had her own
*fully-working*, hand-wired prototype before Jens got his hands into it
and redesigned it for the worse.
> ...(DeSiGnEd By A gIrL!!11) that didn't work.
Male chauvinism? Well, that's interesting to hear that from you.
> If the /buzz/ can go out that the C=1 is Well And Truly Dead,
> it will allow others now to get attention they deserve. Jeri's
> held the C64 clone scene back 5 years already, and that's way
> too long.
Ha! Nobody holds anybody else back from designing hardware. One
person cannot hold back independent development.
I think you are trolling now,
Robert Bernardo
Snogpitch
for a very long time. Permit me to quote a short snip:
If you have any doubts, don't buy now. Only buy after all doubts are gone.
And again: Only buy for what the machine is at the time of your order. Do
not buy it for something it might become in the future, because our plans
might change without notice
Full disclaimer can be found at: http://c64upgra.de/c-one/disclaimer.htm
That pretty much says if you don't like what it is now, don't buy it. How
much clearer can it get?
On 6/18/06 11:21 PM, in article
1150687261.6...@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "Dragos"
Majorsky78
Robert Bernardo schrieb:
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, csynt wrote:
>
> > In fact, AFAIK, Jeri DID NOT obey her contract with Jens.
>
> Jens *did not* obey his side of the contract with Jeri.
I cannot imagine, what could have been the problem from Jens' side...
as you said, Jeri was partially paid, but didn't deliver anything. What
should Jens do? Pay more money for nothing???
On the C-One list, it was replied to me from the moderator even in
beginning of 2006, that the PAL Core should soon becom reality... but
still nothing happened.
Furthermore, you said, that Jens crippled the board... RIDICULOUS
1. Why did Jeri let him cripple the board? If she had a fully working
prototype, she should have known best what can be changed without
generating problems and what not...
2. Look, what Tobiflex realized on the board. A complete Amstrad Turbo
CPC running the full SymbOS operating system with more than 16 MHz...
and you want to tell us, that the C64 PAL core is not possible on the
C-One??? ;-) Who should believe this?
Even if you are a great fan of Jeri, you should stick to the truth...
As you see, I am quite disappointed for not having a working C-One now
- although it was (too often) promised.
What I have instead is a DTV, a joystick of bad quality with a bad
collection of games, incompatible to C-One and not usable as a C64
hardware platform for the future. Thanks.
Sam Gillett
"Robert Bernardo" wrote ...
> On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, Chris Baird wrote:
>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
>
> Ah, yes, Wikipedia... the unscholarly encyclopedia.
Robert, I must agree with you about Wikipedia. As a source of information it
is no more reliable that the average newsgroup here on Usenet. And that, is
certainly less than 100% reliable!
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Best regards,
Sam Gillett
Change is inevitable,
except from vending machines!
Robert Bernardo
> I cannot imagine, what could have been the problem from Jens' side...
Uh, read the past postings.
> as you said, Jeri was partially paid, but didn't deliver anything.
She delivered Jens' version of the board. She delivered the NTSC
core.
> What should Jens do? Pay more money for nothing???
Pay his side of what he owes... and lay off the vociferous
criticisms of Jeri on the C-1 Developers' List.
> On the C-One list, it was replied to me from the moderator even in
> beginning of 2006, that the PAL Core should soon become reality... but
> still nothing happened.
I am not responsible for Jeri's or Peter's timeline on a PAL core.
However, as mentioned before, squeezing that PAL core into FPGAs that
don't have enough room is very difficult, perhaps impossible.
> Furthermore, you said, that Jens crippled the board... RIDICULOUS
> 1. Why did Jeri let him cripple the board?
Jens' cost-cutting to increase profit.
> If she had a fully working
> prototype, she should have known best what can be changed without
> generating problems and what not...
Yes, she knew. However, Jens was in charge of manufacturing.
> 2. Look, what Tobiflex realized on the board. A complete Amstrad Turbo
> CPC running the full SymbOS operating system with more than 16 MHz...
> and you want to tell us, that the C64 PAL core is not possible on the
> C-One???
A C64 PAL core is far more complicated.
> ...you should stick to the truth...
Truth has been stuck. We've heard Jen's version of the truth for
too long.
> As you see, I am quite disappointed for not having a working C-One now
> - although it was (too often) promised.
Notice that a lot of C-1 promises came from Jens.
CommVEx webpage update
at http://commvex.petscii.com ,
Holger Banko
> It's a great pity that, thanks to Jeri, the other C64-compatible
> projects (like www.mycpu.thtec.org/mycpu.mikrocontroller.net)
> suffered due to the Vapourware effect, and couldn't the the critical
> mass of interest to turn their -already-working- hardware into a
> commercially viable 'product', because, well, 95% of the market were
> being conditioned to wait -years- to get a way-overpriced FPGA system
> (DeSiGnEd By A gIrL!!11) that didn't work.
100% ACK
This is an aspect of this story, just a few people are able to see.
--Holger
Robert Bernardo
> As a source of information it is no more reliable that the average
> newsgroup here on Usenet. And that, is certainly less than 100% reliable!
LOL. :-) Wikipedia has all kinds of errors in its articles,
Commodore-related articles included.
CommVEx webpage update at
http://commvex.petscii.com ,
Robert Bernardo
> As a source of information it is no more reliable that the average
> newsgroup here on Usenet. And that, is certainly less than 100% reliable!
LOL. :-) Wikipedia has all kinds of errors in its articles,
Commodore-related articles included.
CommVEx webpage update at
http://commvex.petscii.com ,