Best c64 printer
Dan Benson
the best?
mykrowyre
still available..
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ebay:
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Cameron Kaiser
>If you could have one C64 compatible printer, what would it be - which is
>the best?
I've enjoyed my Okimate 20, although the ribbons are becoming a real
nightmare to find replacements for.
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Larry Anderson
Dan Benson wrote:
>
> If you could have one C64 compatible printer, what would it be - which is
> the best?
I have a Panasonic KXP 2023 with the color option (can use 4 color
ribbons emulates Epson color dot-matrix) To interface this to the 64 I
use Xetec Supergraphics Jr interface. This gives me:
1- an Epson compatible printer in transparent mode (good from
PrintShop, Paperclip Publisher, GEOS, etc.)
2- A commodore compatible printer (including graphic symbols) in
commodore emulation mode (good for BASIC listings.
3- A 'near letter quality' printer when in NLQ mode (word processing)
4- Full color screen dumps in coinjunction with Super Snapshot v5 and
GEOS (not good for much, but looks nice)
5- A fast printer
(I think the panasonic here also supports pin-feed paper parking, but I
never use single sheet printing so not sure.)
The one drawback I had originally is many of those interfaces take the
power from the cassette port (via an extra wire coming out of the serial
connector which would limit how far away you can put your disk drives).
Fortunately there is a spot on the SG-Jr's circuit board where you add a
jumper wire and then power the unit via the printer (assuming the
printer supplies the optional 5v on pin 18 - you can tell in the
printer's manual) So you don
If I wanted to have fun with fonts and stuff, Xetec's SuperGraphics Gold
has a RAM buffer to store a few printer fonts in it (I think there are
some in ROM too)
If I were going mainly for Commodore compatibility and a simple
commodore interface, I think the Star Micronics NX1000c is OK, though I
don't like them not printing graphic symbols when printing listings... :-P
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Todd Elliott
> If you could have one C64 compatible printer, what would it be - which is
> the best?
>
CBM printer? :)
CBM did release MPS-120 (1200?) inkjet printer. What's special about this
printer, apart from the fact that it was an inkjet, is that it had a
Commodore IEC bus connection.
Anyway, my vote is on the Tektronix Phaser color laser printers,
preferably the ones that can do all sizes up to tabloid output. I'll just
use GEOS/Wheels, geoCable II and PostPrint (PostScript) program to do the
work on my Commodore end. :) I don't expect to see one near my CBM setup
anytime soon as those Tektronixs run in low 4 figures when to comes to the
cost. :(
Enjoy.
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Burt
email me if interested.
Price? Well I'm willing to send it to you for the cost of shipping.
and the thing works so nothing to worry about..
Dan Benson wrote:
> If you could have one C64 compatible printer, what would it be - which is
> the best?
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opposed to the ones that use the color sticks) can cost you about $250
per color cartridge of toner ($140 for black, thank goodness). Lot of
replaceable parts in them Tektronix too. I'd research the supplies cost
on color lasers first.
Todd Elliott wrote:
>
>
> CBM did release MPS-120 (1200?) inkjet printer. What's special about this
> printer, apart from the fact that it was an inkjet, is that it had a
> Commodore IEC bus connection.
>
> Anyway, my vote is on the Tektronix Phaser color laser printers,
> preferably the ones that can do all sizes up to tabloid output. I'll just
> use GEOS/Wheels, geoCable II and PostPrint (PostScript) program to do the
> work on my Commodore end. :) I don't expect to see one near my CBM setup
> anytime soon as those Tektronixs run in low 4 figures when to comes to the
> cost. :(
>
> Enjoy.
> --
> Todd Elliott
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J. Robertson
<daniel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dan,
>If you could have one C64 compatible printer, what would it be - which is
>the best?
I personally like my Commodore MPS 1000. Ribbons are still easily
accessible for it and with a flip of a DIP switch or so is a IBM
compatible printer (has built in centronics port as well as the
Commodore serial bus port).
Jason
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> what would it be - which is the best?
Perhaps at one time the Commodore printers were state of the art.
But in this day and age, I would not use a Commodore or a compatible
because of their primitive printer instruction set. I even turn
on transparent mode in the interfaces because interfaces retain
all the printers printer characteristics when in Commofore emulation
mode. If I knew the instruction sets of the knewer PC printers, I
would even abandon the EPSON printer instruction set.
The one exception to the above is the PKIMATE 20. It replcates Commodore
screen graphics perfectly. The hard copy graphics are outstanding.
Unfortunately, I don't know a printeer cartridge supply source for these.
Linards Ticmanis
> I personally like my Commodore MPS 1000. Ribbons are still easily
> accessible for it and with a flip of a DIP switch or so is a IBM
> compatible printer (has built in centronics port as well as the
> Commodore serial bus port).
I'd second that. The MPS-1200 I had before was nothing but trouble, but
the MPS-1000 works fine. The fun fact: The 1200 has an Epson command set
but was not built by Epson, the 1000 doesn't have Epson commands (IBM
Proprinter instead) but it was built by Epson.
The other option would be a genuine Epson 9-needle printer with one of
the many interface boxes, or if you don't need to use it from BASIC, you
can use a cheap parallel UserPort cable (aka GeoCable) instead.
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The Master said, "The business of laying on the colors follows the
preparation of the plain ground."
Dan Benson
> I don't know what's up in your sleeve... Did you come across an ultrarare
> CBM printer? :)
Up my sleeve? I doubt even a rare CBM printer would fetch much on ebay, and
quite frankly just because someone sells on ebay doesn't mean they don't use
the equipement. I was just wondering what would be the best printer to use
with my 128D.......
Dan Benson
>
> Anyway, my vote is on the Tektronix Phaser color laser printers,
> preferably the ones that can do all sizes up to tabloid output. I'll just
> use GEOS/Wheels, geoCable II and PostPrint (PostScript) program to do the
> work on my Commodore end. :) I don't expect to see one near my CBM setup
> anytime soon as those Tektronixs run in low 4 figures when to comes to the
> cost. :(
You can use a phaser with a c64???? I've got one. How in the world would you
use it with a c64?
Marc Walters
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> the best?
For a serial port plug&play printer, Citizen 180D dot matrix printer, using
the CBM BIP.
For a printer that works using a serial to parallel interface like the Zetec
Super Grafix, the Canon BJ series bubble jets work fine, and keep correct
aspect ratios.
Marc
Larry Anderson
Marc Walters wrote:
>
> For a printer that works using a serial to parallel interface like the Zetec
> Super Grafix, the Canon BJ series bubble jets work fine, and keep correct
> aspect ratios.
>
> Marc
I've done the bubblejet route too, and it gives you the sharpest output
(Like a Commodore 1902 Monitor does for video over a TV) One thing you
need to do though is set the printer for 66 lines per page mode, else
some programs will not print right (they come factory set for 64 lines
per page.) I had used a BJ10 which has a VERY small footprint. Newer
bubblejets may not support epson mode in hardware so check the specifications.
Larry
Todd Elliott
What kind of Phaser is it? If it has a Centronics parallel interface and
at least PostScript 2 or 3 built-in, the C64/128 can make use of it.
However, you would need to get GEOS, preferably Wheels and PostPrint II.
PostPrint II/III, which runs in Wheels OS systems only, is the key here.
It translates geoWrite, geoPaint and geoPublish files into PostScript 2
format and sends it to the printer directly on geoCable II or on a disk
file, where you can transport it to a mainstream machine and make use of
it.
Granted, I made an offhand comment about the Phasers; It never occured to
me that you might own one. :) People have had success in using Canon
inkjet printers with their CBM's using various printer interfaces.
Personally, the best printer output you can achieve on a CBM is to use
Wheels and PostPrint II/III on your geoWrite, geoPaint and geoPublish
files.
Enjoy.
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rebocardo
you
> > use it with a c64?
Using a Xetec Gold interface, as long as it has some sort of Epson or HP
mode, you can usually use it with a 64/128, with or without GEOS. Most
expensive printer I remember hooked up to my C-128 was a HP-1600 (?). Though
I gave serious thought to a solid ink printer. Look for a FX-80 (color?)
printer mode for easy color use on your Commie.
rebocardo
I agree with that being a top choice.
Robert Bernardo
> However, you would need to get GEOS, preferably Wheels and PostPrint II.
> PostPrint II/III, which runs in Wheels OS systems only, is the key here.
> It translates geoWrite, geoPaint and geoPublish files into PostScript 2
> format and sends it to the printer directly on geoCable II or on a disk
> file, where you can transport it to a mainstream machine and make use of
> it.
>
> Granted, I made an offhand comment about the Phasers; It never occured to
> me that you might own one. :) People have had success in using Canon
> inkjet printers with their CBM's using various printer interfaces.
>
> Personally, the best printer output you can achieve on a CBM is to use
> Wheels and PostPrint II/III on your geoWrite, geoPaint and geoPublish
> files.
I use the Lexmark Optra Color 40 with Postscript II in order to
publish our club newsletter, The Interface. The color JPEGs printed
in the newsletter are "grainy" but adequate. And as Larry said above,
I use Wheels, GEOPublish, and PostPrint 2 v3.8.
Writing from an Internet
cafe in Dublin, Ireland,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
B'ichela
> Using a Xetec Gold interface, as long as it has some sort of Epson or HP
> mode, you can usually use it with a 64/128, with or without GEOS. Most
420? I ask as I would like to use my deskjet with my commodore
directly. Being the Xetec Gold may not be available, (I will have to
check with my suppliers if someone knows if it would work my dj
directly. Or is there a printer interface that supports PCL? baring
that. put the interface in transparent mode and running a driver to
convert the files to pcl output. I am using the 64hdd system with my
c64 so I got the disk space for the output files. Yet, I would rather
just get a "black box" that could drive my deskjet directly. My
desjet will print straight ascii without a problem. Its only when I
want to do things a little more challenging. eg: printing commodore
petascii graphics chars. I don't use Geos and while I had the
disks/books for it long ago. all I have left is copies of my original
disks and I forgot how to copy files from desktop to other disks,
ARGH!
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rebocardo
HP mode usually refers to HP LaserJet II emulation at 300 d.p.i. or higher.
I do not know what a Deskjet 420 is, except to add any printer that does not
list DOS or HP II as one of its modes and only lists Win95/98/2000 usually
will not work with a Commodore because it is a "dumb" printer with very
little CPU and memory power and expects the Windows based computer to do all
the heavy duty processing. Or it has no built in printer language. The same
applies to modems. If it is a "Windows" modem or printer the chances are
that is the only thing with which it will work.
I think for an inkjet, you would look for HP500 emulation as a starting
point. I had a HP500 and did a lot of things, including graphics and text on
my C-128.
B'ichela
> Greetings,
>
> HP mode usually refers to HP LaserJet II emulation at 300 d.p.i. or higher.
> I do not know what a Deskjet 420 is, except to add any printer that does not
> list DOS or HP II as one of its modes and only lists Win95/98/2000 usually
> will not work with a Commodore because it is a "dumb" printer with very
> little CPU and memory power and expects the Windows based computer to do all
> the heavy duty processing. Or it has no built in printer language. The same
> applies to modems. If it is a "Windows" modem or printer the chances are
> that is the only thing with which it will work.
language in ROM. its not a winprinter (if it were, I would have not
purchased it used for $20.) It prints on my Tandy Model 102 laptop
from basic (the 102 is definatly NOT windoww based as it uses the
8085 procesor with 32K of ram. under Linux I use it with the DJ500
driver under ghostscript. It supports some PCL-5 commands. Although
its probally closer to PCL-4 as some of the advanced pcl-5 commands
fail on it, it does honor DJ500 commands.
As for Laserjets. Does a Laserjet use PCL commands? I am
talking of the ones that work in HP mode? Is this mode really Pcl?
could some one set their printer to hexdump and send me a few lines
of the dumps? (email fine). I can then determine if its PCL that
would at least work with my printer.
Which interfaces support HP mode?
Matthew Montchalin
| As for Laserjets. Does a Laserjet use PCL commands?
Hewlett-Packard laserjet printers abide by the standard they themselves
set, with a vast array of ESC sequences implying a significant measure
of intelligence in and within the laserprinter itself. You will want
to brush up on font characteristics, and how they are ordered when
installed, and how they are selected once they are installed. I am
talking about 'soft' installations, not 'hard' installations. I never
had a font cartridge, so I can't talk about how those things work.
|I am talking of the ones that work in HP mode? Is this mode really Pcl?
What the heck is PCL? Are you asking if PCL is Hewlett-Packard
compatible? Remember, most of us wrote our own drivers back in
the heady days ('daze') of the late 1980's, back when that was
the ONLY way to load a soft-font into the printer.
|could some one set their printer to hexdump and send me a few lines
|of the dumps? (email fine). I can then determine if its PCL that
|would at least work with my printer.
The HPII does not 'hexdump' font data. I actually had an HPII, and
it probably is around here still... somewhere.
| Which interfaces support HP mode?
What you want is a serial-to-parallel interface so that you can
send the softfonts in with ordinary TALK/LISTEN commands. Be sure
you are using real HP-compatible fonts, not those miserable Tru-type
fonts.
Dave R.
<Pine.LNX.4.44.020704...@lab.oregonvos.net>:
>What the heck is PCL? Are you asking if PCL is Hewlett-Packard
>compatible? Remember, most of us wrote our own drivers back in
>the heady days ('daze') of the late 1980's, back when that was
>the ONLY way to load a soft-font into the printer.
PCL is HP's page description language. It does the same job that Postscript
does, but uses escape sequences for commands instead of a programming
language.
It's in HP's laser printers and I think it's in some of their inkjets too.
B'ichela
Matthew Montchalin wrote:
> Hewlett-Packard laserjet printers abide by the standard they themselves
> set, with a vast array of ESC sequences implying a significant measure
> of intelligence in and within the laserprinter itself. You will want
that the HP laserjets are using PCL.
> What the heck is PCL? Are you asking if PCL is Hewlett-Packard
> compatible? Remember, most of us wrote our own drivers back in
> the heady days ('daze') of the late 1980's, back when that was
> the ONLY way to load a soft-font into the printer.
Originally I was not talking of soft fonts. but rather underlining,
bold, italics etc... but since you mention fonts. Is there a soft
font that adds the CBM graphics characters for a HP printer? possibly
reassigning them to the normal cbm lower-upper order for use in
lowercase mode? I am talking of using it for Easy Script word
processing. I use Easy Script as it supports my Datasette, and the
cracked version also runs on my 64hdd hard drive emulator for my c64
as well as allows saving the binary to cassette, I am a legitimate
owner of Easy Script only the bad sector protection that bangs my
1541 head worries me, thus I downloaded a cracked version. Actually
the easy script dload was from the Easy Script cartridge, (damn! and
I still want to buy the Easy Script cartridge if I can find a
dealer). I also have info from a old C64 Commodore catalog that Easy
Script was on Tape as well! I want to aquire it in all its forms.
Sergio Aguayo
Dan Benson <daniel...@hotmail.com> wrote in newsgroup
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> If you could have one C64 compatible printer, what would it be - which is
> the best?
>
>
The Star NX-1000C is just nice for me. Ribbon cartridges are still available
(and really cheap), quite fast and has a Commodore emulation mode.
Matthew Montchalin
|Originally I was not talking of soft fonts. but rather underlining,
|bold, italics etc... but since you mention fonts.
What is neat, is that you arbitrarily decide on ID numbers for your
fonts, then you introduce them to your laserprinter when you are
transferring them into the laserprinter. Ever after, you should
refer to
A) font characteristics to be changed by designation
B) font ID's to be selected by ID identification
C) previous fonts which should be returned to
when invoking a font. Let's say that Font #48 is upright and
Font #49 is italic. And you have defined the first as the 'primary'
font and the second as the 'alternate' font. For the sake of keeping
this simple, let's assume they are otherwise the same, both proportionate
fonts, nothing too weird about them, it will be delightful to discover
that your BASIC compatible program can now spit stuff out in upright font
or italic font, simply by shifting "IN" or shifting "OUT" your choice
of fonts from 'primary' font to your 'secondary' font.
So, anyway, the hex values for shifting IN or shifting OUT happen to be
0E and 0F respectively, and the great thing about this, is that you
don't (and shouldn't) use the ESCAPE byte 1B unless you really want to
do it the hard way. Just use a wordprocessor that lets you enter
CTRL N or CTRL O and have those keypresses show up as the hex values
0E and 0F.
E.g,
10 sys 49152 : rem install your fonts - do it with a driver
20 print "[ctrl f]Johnny ran all the way home from school."
30 print "[ctrl o]Fleeing his sense of imprisonment."
prints out everything in line 20 as upright, and everything in line 30
as italic. Of course, things could get awful confusing if you really
wanted to go that route with all of the HP escape sequences that are
really at your command, but if you only want to deal with uprights
and italics, this would be the easiest way to do it. :)
|Is there a soft font that adds the CBM graphics characters for a
|HP printer? possibly reassigning them to the normal cbm lower-upper
|order for use in lowercase mode? I am talking of using it for Easy
|Script word processing. I use Easy Script as it supports my Datasette,
|and the cracked version also runs on my 64hdd hard drive emulator for
|my c64 as well as allows saving the binary to cassette, I am a
|legitimate owner of Easy Script only the bad sector protection that
|bangs my 1541 head worries me, thus I downloaded a cracked version.
|Actually the easy script dload was from the Easy Script cartridge,
|(damn! and I still want to buy the Easy Script cartridge if I can
|find a dealer). I also have info from a old C64 Commodore catalog
|that Easy Script was on Tape as well! I want to aquire it in all its
|forms.
From what I can remember, Easy Script was a fine word processor, but
I have to confess that my best memories come from R. Eric Lee's THE WRITE
STUFF...
And I am sorry to disappoint you, but I haven't any knowledge of a CBM
graphic font, but you could always put one together (if you had the
right tools, and the right amount of gumption), realizing that the
300 dpi resolution means that you are going to have some pretty fine
fonts at your disposal if you actually do. Sigh...
Matthew Montchalin
|PCL is HP's page description language. It does the same job that Postscript
|does, but uses escape sequences for commands instead of a programming
|language.
|
|It's in HP's laser printers and I think it's in some of their inkjets too.
Hewlett-Packard must have come up with it after the HPII, I guess?
Matthew Montchalin
|fonts, then you introduce them to your laserprinter when you are
|transferring them into the laserprinter.
<startled - and - taken aback>
Let me get this right, you are using a tape cassette with your C-64,
and you need to send the fonts to the HP?
Well, I *still* suggest getting a serial to parallel interface. God
knows how you managed to store the HP softfonts on CASSETTE (yes, I
suppose that it can be done), but you will want to load as much of
it into your C-64 as you can, then transfer it out through the serial
port, through the interface, and into the HP laserprinter. I think
you may run into timing space conflicts because I don't know if you
can get both a tape transfer going, and a serial transfer going, at
the same time. That means you may find yourself limited in the size
of the fonts that are eventually pumped into the laserprinter?
Anyway, I am trying to picture how you are going to do it, and it
looks pretty difficult.
The font installer I wrote, way back in, uh, probably 1986 or so (?)
expected you to bring the whole darn font into the C-64, before
sending it out to the laserprinter... This was because I needed
to send some printer esc sequences in between fonts.... I suppose
those printer esc sequences could be embedded in the middle, no
longer freely definable by the installer...
Alan Jones
<daniel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>If you could have one C64 compatible printer, what would it be - which is
>the best?
That depends on what you mean by C64 Compatable and "best".
I have been very pleased with my Star NX-2430 Multifont. This is a 24
pin dot matrix printer with built in fonts and font sizes. Plug in
cartriges were also available for additional fonts and special
features. Ribbons are still available. It uses a Centronics
interface so you will need something like a Cardco +G or Geocable type
interface. Fonts can be selected by push button on the printer, or
by software. It supports ALL of the Paperclip III font sizes, etc.
This printer was very favorably reviewed in an issue of Run Magazine.
I think there was also a color version available, if you need color.
However, if you use Geos, you probaly want a Postscript printer.
Alan Jones
AxiMaxi
Got two fresh ribbons too, but I don't know for which one.
Might be even one for the PeaCock and one for the DM105...?
B'ichela
> and you need to send the fonts to the HP?
data files on cassette, Not PCL fonts, never made one yet.
Speaking of HP soft fonts. How does one design them on the
C64?
Matthew Montchalin
|In article
|<Pine.LNX.4.44.020704...@lab.oregonvos.net>, Matthew
|Montchalin wrote:
|> Let me get this right, you are using a tape cassette with your C-64,
|> and you need to send the fonts to the HP?
| He doesn't,
Oh!
|I am the one who uses Easy Script to store my data files on cassette,
Hmmmmmm..... Okay...
|Not PCL fonts, never made one yet.
The HP-II fonts actually make a lot of sense, so long as you avoid
the ones with auto-scaling magnifying/shrinking capabilities.
| Speaking of HP soft fonts. How does one design them on the
|C64?
Well, first off, I used graph paper that was divided into 8 squares
per section, and then entered the hex values for every line into a HEX
statement that MAS-64 (boy, was THAT a long time ago) assembled into an
object file that my installer programmer could pull in from disk, and
then change the device number so I could send it to the laser printer
via the serial to parallel interface. I had no way to "preview" the
font, short of drawing it out on graph paper. So, I guess you could
say I did it the HARD way. ;)
Of course, you DO have to prepare everything with the right kind of
ESC sequences, but that's part of the fun, isn't it? ;)
rebocardo
> per section, and then entered the hex values for every line into a HEX
Yes, I did mine on graph paper too. Then I saved mine to data statements in
a BASIC program which I ran before I ran Paperclip III.
Matthew Montchalin
|Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 21:42:36 GMT
|From: rebocardo <b...@dscga.com>
|Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
|Subject: Re: Best c64 printer
But for some fonts at 300 dpi, you are going to end up with far more data
than can be handled conveniently from within data statements.
jeff findley
>
> "Dan Benson" <daniel...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> >If you could have one C64 compatible printer, what would it be - which is
> >the best?
>
> nightmare to find replacements for.
My Star printer uses typewriter ribbons (fairly easy to find) and has
a C-64 serial interface. Print quality is o.k. for a 9-pin dot-matrix
printer.
Jeff
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<jeff.f...@no.sdrc.spam.com> wrote:
> My Star printer uses typewriter ribbons (fairly easy to find) and has
> a C-64 serial interface. Print quality is o.k. for a 9-pin dot-matrix
> printer.
>
> Jeff
Hello, and for the category of monochrome printers I would nominate the
Star Micronics' Gemini-10x printer. It was, IMHO, the most reliable and
full-featured printer that I ever connected (via a printer-specific
interface called "The Connection") to a C-64. Among other things, this
printer has built-in fonts for many languages as well as
scientific/graphics symbols and character sets. One note: While it is
true that this printer uses standard typewriter ribbon, a standard ribbon
will probably not have the correct size rivets at its ends that are
required activate the ribbon-reversing mechanism on the printer. OTOH,
you can still buy new third-party ribbons designed to work with the
Gemini-10x. One other note: There was also a Delta-10 printer that was
equivalent to the 10x except for a slightly more robust printing head.
Sincerely,
John Wood (Code 5551) e-mail: wo...@itd.nrl.navy.mil
Naval Research Laboratory
4555 Overlook Avenue, SW
Washington, DC 20375-5337
Martijn van Buul
> Hello, and for the category of monochrome printers I would nominate the
> Star Micronics' Gemini-10x printer.
Close to my favourite: The Star SG-10.
Note: Not the SG-10C.
Actually, it doesn't use standard typewriter ribbon - it uses a different
ink. Standard ribbon will not provide enough lubrication, and will wear
out your print head more rapidly.
Martijn (whose SG10 sadly died because of wear a few years ago. Worked
perfectly, even under Win95, even giving a quite nice resolution and print
quality for a matrix printer. Dog slow, ofcourse)
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pino+com...@dohd.org (Martijn van Buul) wrote:
> Actually, it doesn't use standard typewriter ribbon - it uses a different
> ink. Standard ribbon will not provide enough lubrication, and will wear
> out your print head more rapidly.
>
Manufacturer recommendation? I can certainly see rationale for the
difference if there is one, however. I don't remember ink/lubrication
being an Gemini-10x issue in Commodore-related journals; just the part
about the rivet size. Sincerely,
jeff findley
>
> Close to my favourite: The Star SG-10.
>
> Note: Not the SG-10C.
>
> Actually, it doesn't use standard typewriter ribbon - it uses a different
> ink. Standard ribbon will not provide enough lubrication, and will wear
> out your print head more rapidly.
>
> Martijn (whose SG10 sadly died because of wear a few years ago. Worked
> perfectly, even under Win95, even giving a quite nice resolution and print
> quality for a matrix printer. Dog slow, ofcourse)
For years, I re-inked my SG-10C ribbons (I'd replaced the original
ribbon on the bobbins with a regular typewriter ribbon several times)
with stamp pad ink and WD-40. It did smell a bit, but I never wore
out that print head. :-)
Martijn van Buul
> pino+com...@dohd.org (Martijn van Buul) wrote:
>
>> Actually, it doesn't use standard typewriter ribbon - it uses a different
>> ink. Standard ribbon will not provide enough lubrication, and will wear
>> out your print head more rapidly.
>>
> Hello, and I don't know where you got this info. Experience?
Yes, unfortunately - although I had hit a ribbin whose ink was too thick. It
got sticky, and made some needles get stuck. I had to clean the printing head -
and unfortunately, my solvent caused the small teflon guiding plate to come
loose.
Getting all those needles back into that litle plate, glueing the rotten
thing back together without making everything stick together is *not* an
easy task ;)
My SG10 sadly died a few years ago; the needles had worn off so badly,
that the print head had to be as closest to the paper as possible. Apart
from that, the wagon had started to get loose - making the thing print
dirty streaks at quadruple resolution - which was the only resolution I
actually used. I dismantled the thing, kept the stepper motors, and
threw away the rest. It's no Commodore hardware, so it becomes junk, and
I'm not emotionally connected to it ;0
Martijn (Who has an 8023P 15" printer he doesn't use at all. But I won't
throw it away...)
Matthew Montchalin
|Note: Not the SG-10C.
|
|Actually, it doesn't use standard typewriter ribbon - it uses a different
|ink. Standard ribbon will not provide enough lubrication, and will wear
|out your print head more rapidly.
|
|Martijn (whose SG10 sadly died because of wear a few years ago. Worked
|perfectly, even under Win95, even giving a quite nice resolution and print
|quality for a matrix printer. Dog slow, ofcourse)
I had an SG10 once. Yes, I'll agree that it was a nice printer.
rebocardo
I had one of those once, big old Commodore dot-matrix with multiple feeds
paths?