Was Gassee's salary the knife in the heart of Be ?
raj
>> developers did just that, and this is their rightful reward. Bill Gates
>> must be laughing his rich ass off.
>Your approach of "Blame it all on JLG" is simplistic as it is naive.
For the fiscal year ended 12/31/00, net revenues fell 82% to $480 000.
Of this 275,000 $ was paid to Gassee and 213,333 $ to his friend
Steve Sakoman, the CEO.
I seem to hear the words shareholder suit......
raj
Operating Systems: To BeOS or Not To Be
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nf/20010423/tc/9142_1.html
Be and Amiga: Ominous Parallels?
http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/8639.html
Nate LaCourse
> $480 000. Of this 275,000 $ was paid to Gassee and 213,333
> $ to his friend Steve Sakoman, the CEO.
A) JLG is the CEO. Sakoman is the COO.
B) It's customary to cite your source of information.
Have fun,
Nate
--
Dig: http://cibo.dhs.org/
Talk: na...@REMOVEcibo.ALLdhs.CAPSorg
--
Dave Walker
> B) It's customary to cite your source of information.
Its all linked to from the Be website -- the SEC filings,
Be being a public corporation and all.
-d.w.
Nate LaCourse
>
> Its all linked to from the Be website -- the SEC filings,
> Be being a public corporation and all.
What links, specifically?
David Ness
>
> >> B) It's customary to cite your source of information.
> >
> > Its all linked to from the Be website -- the SEC filings,
> > Be being a public corporation and all.
>
> What links, specifically?
>
> Have fun,
> Nate
> --
Information about salaries of officers of public corporations is _very_
easy to obtain. Are you saying that you are ignorant of how to do that?
Be's website probably points to their financials in some reasonably direct
way, but if you have trouble finding that way, use any of the free services
that let you access the SEC filings, particularly the Proxy Statements and
10-K reports.
Nate LaCourse
>>>
>>> Its all linked to from the Be website -- the SEC filings,
>>> Be being a public corporation and all.
>>
>> What links, specifically?
>
> is _very_ easy to obtain. Are you saying that you are
> ignorant of how to do that?
>
> Be's website probably points to their financials in some
> reasonably direct way, but if you have trouble finding that
> way, use any of the free services that let you access the
> SEC filings, particularly the Proxy Statements and 10-K
> reports.
That's weird. You say that you're citing information that is linked
from Be's website, I ask you what links you're citing, and your response
contains no links. Funny that.
Cliff Beach
> That's weird. You say that you're citing information that is linked
> from Be's website, I ask you what links you're citing, and your
> response
> contains no links. Funny that.
>
>
> Have fun,
> Nate
Try this link
http://www.edgar-online.com/bin/edgardoc/finSys_main.asp?dcn=0001012870-
01-500413
Cliff Beach
Dave Walker
> What links, specifically?
Dunno. My patience for financial legalese is too limited
to bother looking for specific refs. Perhaps the
original poster would like to elaborate. I was just
remarking that the sort of info he was citing is legally
public info.
-d.w.
David Ness
>
>
> That's weird. You say that you're citing information that is linked
> from Be's website, I ask you what links you're citing, and your response
> contains no links. Funny that.
>
> Have fun,
> Nate
> --
On the off chance that you actually want this information, and are not just
`a little slow', try Be -> Site Map -> Financial Documents -> 10-k's or Def 14's
or go to `Hoovers' or any other financial site, look up BEOS, financial statements,
and look for `Proxy Filings'.
I don't get the point of your seemingly dense response, do you doubt Gassee's salary,
or are you grinding some other axe?
Chris O'Riley
"Nate LaCourse" <na...@REMOVEcibo.ALLdhs.CAPSorg> wrote
>
> That's weird. You say that you're citing information that is linked
> from Be's website, I ask you what links you're citing, and your response
> contains no links. Funny that.
That's weird, even having not visited Be's site in a good 6 months, I was
able to find what David was referring to within all of about 15 seconds.
Funny that.
http://www.be.com/aboutbe/investors/financialdocs.html
Steve Howie
What are you blathering about? The sum total of the two salaries is $488,333.
It's customary for employee wages to be treated as expenses. So how come they
would eat up part of the NET revenue?
You don't pay people in your company AFTER you calculate net revenue!
Scotty
David Ness
>
>
> What are you blathering about? The sum total of the two salaries is $488,333.
> It's customary for employee wages to be treated as expenses. So how come they
> would eat up part of the NET revenue?
>
> You don't pay people in your company AFTER you calculate net revenue!
>
> Scotty
Not that it matters, but in the financial world `NET Revenue' isn't a widely used
term---as it is subject to interpretation. While you are certainly right about treating
employee wages as expenses, I believe you are confused about `Net Revenue'.
If it is used, it is generally used to refer to `Revenue after Adjustments' _not_ as a
surrogate for `Net (Profit)' (the difference between revenues and expenses). The usual
place this is used, if at all, is when revenues are augmented in some unusual way and
adjustments are made to take this out to produce a more meaningful (net) revenue figure.
Thus, while I'd rather not use the term `Net revenue' at all, it is perfectly
appropriate of speaking of `paying someone out of net revenues' if you want to.
Lars Duening
> Nate LaCourse wrote:
> >
> > >> B) It's customary to cite your source of information.
> > >
> > > Its all linked to from the Be website -- the SEC filings,
> > > Be being a public corporation and all.
> >
> > What links, specifically?
> >
>
> easy to obtain. Are you saying that you are ignorant of how to do that?
I have never needed to look for this information before, so no, I don't know
how to do that. So be a nice chap and enlighten us - after all, you don't know
everything under the sun either.
Besides, those of use who do know might come up with completely different
information, and then it becomes really interesting to compare the sources.
--
Lars Duening; la...@bearnip.com
PGP Key: http://www.bearnip.com/lars/pgp-lars.asc
David Ness
>
> I have never needed to look for this information before, so no, I don't know
> how to do that. So be a nice chap and enlighten us - after all, you don't know
> everything under the sun either.
>
> Besides, those of use who do know might come up with completely different
> information, and then it becomes really interesting to compare the sources.
> --
It's hard to know just how much some people _don't_ know. I presume in your
case, at least, I don't have to start with looking for the power switch on
the computer...
One might start with a `Search Engine', for example. Typing someting like
`BEOS Financial Information' into GOOGLE will result to a pointer to `Hoovers'
financials for BEOS. In about 2 mins you would get to the current DEF-14 indicating
Gassee's $300K salary for 2000.
But, probably the simplest way to find financial information is to go to
some source like
http://www.cnnfn.com
and then type BEOS (which, if someone doesn't know that either, is Be Inc.'s
`ticker symbol') into the `stock quote' search box. It will tell you that Be is
worth 79 cents/share (down 8%) at the moment (Friday's Close). You can then
click on `SEC filings' and get the SEC filings. The DEF-14 filed about a year
ago will have, among other things, Gassee's salary for 1999. Substantive
changes should be reported in more recent filings, but since BEOS isn't
a particular interest of mine, I don't follow them.
I don't know who `those of us who do know' are, in your case, but if you come up
with `different information' than is filed with the SEC you might want to consider
reporting it, someone is guilty of a felony at a minimum, as SEC filings are, IIRC,
under `pain of perjury'.
I hope that explanation suffices. I must say that I'm rather startled that
an explanation was necessary.
Steve Howie
Pardon us all Dave ... we're all kinda stupid
William Shakespeare
>
> > For the fiscal year ended 12/31/00, net revenues
No such thing. There is revenue and there are profits (if any).
Profits are referred to as net. Revenue is better understood as
gross.
--
Bill
"The second thing we do, let's kill all the editors." Edited out of
Henry IV, Part I.
raj
<na...@REMOVEcibo.ALLdhs.CAPSorg> wrote:
>> For the fiscal year ended 12/31/00, net revenues fell 82% to
>> $480 000. Of this 275,000 $ was paid to Gassee and 213,333
>> $ to his friend Steve Sakoman, the CEO.
>A) JLG is the CEO. Sakoman is the COO.
You are right.
I stand corrected.
>B) It's customary to cite your source of information.
http://yahoo.marketguide.com/mgi/compens.asp?rt=compens&rn=A1F4E
raj
>Steve Howie wrote:
>>
>>
>> What are you blathering about? The sum total of the two salaries is $488,333.
>> It's customary for employee wages to be treated as expenses. So how come they
>> would eat up part of the NET revenue?
The net loss for the fiscal year ending 12/31/00 was $21.2 million.
Marco Nelissen
> For the fiscal year ended 12/31/00, net revenues fell 82% to $480 000.
> Of this 275,000 $ was paid to Gassee and 213,333 $ to his friend
> Steve Sakoman, the CEO.
Your math is flawed.
> I seem to hear the words shareholder suit......
I hear the word "troll".
.
> In comp.sys.be.misc raj <isra...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>> For the fiscal year ended 12/31/00, net revenues fell 82% to $480 000.
>> Of this 275,000 $ was paid to Gassee and 213,333 $ to his friend
>> Steve Sakoman, the CEO.
> Your math is flawed.
Your operating system is dead.
-----.
--
"Great babylon has fallen, fallen, fallen;
Jerusalem has fallen, fallen, fallen!
The great, Great Beast is DEAD! DEAD! DEAD! DEAD!"
Marco Nelissen
> Your operating system is dead.
You wish.
Peter Willis
. wrote in message <9ckgk2$n4p$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>...
>Your operating system is dead.
>
This is funny.
In 1996 I was moving from a windows NT
programming job I had finished to a Solaris
programming job working with X windows.
I mentioned to my old boss that I was going to do
some programming for UNIX. His response was,
"What for? UNIX is dead.". I tried to explain the
concept of Linux to him but he balked at the idea.
The fellow I was working for, programming NT,
was a 'Certified Microsoft Solution Provider'.
He is now out of business and broke. Just
shows how valuable 'that' cert is.
Every time I hear the words "xxx is dead"
it just about makes me roll on the floor laughing.
BeOS will be around as long as users want
it to be around. I, for one, find it useful to do
specific tasks. I will continue developing for
the platform as long as it suits me.
If you dislike the BeOS enough to want to
denegrate it then you're wasting your time
in this news group. Get lost and free the
bandwidth for the rest of us.
Peter
.
> . wrote in message <9ckgk2$n4p$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>...
>>Your operating system is dead.
>>
> This is funny.
> In 1996 I was moving from a windows NT
> programming job I had finished to a Solaris
> programming job working with X windows.
> I mentioned to my old boss that I was going to do
> some programming for UNIX. His response was,
> "What for? UNIX is dead.". I tried to explain the
> concept of Linux to him but he balked at the idea.
> The fellow I was working for, programming NT,
> was a 'Certified Microsoft Solution Provider'.
> He is now out of business and broke. Just
> shows how valuable 'that' cert is.
> Every time I hear the words "xxx is dead"
> it just about makes me roll on the floor laughing.
Did you laugh when you heard that commodore was dead?
Nate LaCourse
Commodore was a company. BeOS is an Operating System.
Greg Sprinkle
> In comp.sys.be.misc . <yt...@mutilation.net> wrote:
> > Your operating system is dead.
>
> You wish.
Would you settle for comatose? or at the very least terminally ill? It may not
be dead, but it definitely is in the ICU and on life support. Prognosis is not
good and if the patient survives, it's likely to live in a vegetative state for
quite some time.
Doctor Doom - mum's the word
.
> You wish.
Of course I dont wish, you ignorant buffoon. I enjoy BeOS just as much as the next
geek, but sorry to say fella, its on its way out.
I know what im talking about. I rode the last wave of OS/2, Commodore, Acorn and
intellivision. Dont take it personally though. It was just a huge amount of incredibly
bad decisions made by a noble and quite misdirected company.
Oh well.
.
>> Did you laugh when you heard that commodore was dead?
> Commodore was a company. BeOS is an Operating System.
Alright, did you laugh when you heard that AmigaDos and Workbench were dead?
Yes, I am aware that new workbenches have been released fairly recently.
Have you used them?
I have. And I laugh alot. :)
.
Be careful. Alot of BeOS advocates have the operating system confused with their
own personalities, and tend to get very cranky if they think you're insulting it.
Nate LaCourse
>>
>> You wish.
>
> Of course I dont wish, you ignorant buffoon.
Nice.
> I know what im talking about.
Now this is funny. You, who are nameless (and not even going by a
pseudonym), telling one of the most active members of the BeOS
community, an employee of Be Inc., and a developer of some of the best
BeOS apps in existence, that *you* know what *you* are talking about.
The funny thing is, you probably didn't even know who you were
responding to. Yet you, you seasoned computer veteran, who has seen it
all, purports to know what you are talking about.
You can now go fuck yourself, okay?
Nate LaCourse
>
>> Commodore was a company. BeOS is an Operating System.
>
> Alright,
Alright? Aren't you going to even acknowledge your mistake?
> did you laugh when you heard that AmigaDos and Workbench
> were dead?
As long as people use it, it isn't dead.
> And I laugh alot. :)
Ah, emoticons, how cute.
.
>>>
>>> You wish.
>>
>> Of course I dont wish, you ignorant buffoon.
> Nice.
>> I know what im talking about.
> Now this is funny. You, who are nameless (and not even going by a
> pseudonym), telling one of the most active members of the BeOS
> community, an employee of Be Inc., and a developer of some of the best
> BeOS apps in existence, that *you* know what *you* are talking about.
> The funny thing is, you probably didn't even know who you were
> responding to. Yet you, you seasoned computer veteran, who has seen it
> all, purports to know what you are talking about.
> You can now go fuck yourself, okay?
You're obviously one of those people who finds comfort in the political
positioning of something as transient and fundamentally trivial as an
operating system.
At this point, it would be well advised for seasoned, talented Be, Inc.
employees who are prone to fits of genius coding to go and work for IBM.
raj
wrote:
>In comp.sys.be.misc raj <isra...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>> For the fiscal year ended 12/31/00, net revenues fell 82% to $480 000.
>> Of this 275,000 $ was paid to Gassee and 213,333 $ to his friend
>> Steve Sakoman, the CEO.
>
>Your math is flawed.
What maths ?
Try reading the quote again.
raj
>, an employee of Be Inc., and a developer of some of the best
>BeOS apps in existence, that *you* know what *you* are talking about.
I am not sure who nameless is either...
However there are those who would say that:
someone stupid enough to keep working for Be when it is clearly
headed for the place that used toilet paper goes needs their head
read....
To make it worse, he wasted time developing for Be when he could have
been developing for Qnx or Gnome...
( only half kidding ....)
Steve Howie
> In comp.sys.be.advocacy Marco Nelissen <mar...@xs4.xs4all.nl> wrote:
> > In comp.sys.be.misc . <yt...@mutilation.net> wrote:
> >> Your operating system is dead.
>
> > You wish.
>
> Of course I dont wish, you ignorant buffoon. I enjoy BeOS just as much as
> the next
> geek, but sorry to say fella, its on its way out.
>
> I know what im talking about. I rode the last wave of OS/2, Commodore,
> Acorn and
> intellivision. Dont take it personally though. It was just a huge amount
> of incredibly
> bad decisions made by a noble and quite misdirected company.
>
OS/2 is alive and well my friend.
It's tricky getting a hold of a copy if ur joe end-user, but it's still
actively supported by Big Blue.
.
> In message <9cknh7$snf$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>, . wrote:
>> In comp.sys.be.advocacy Marco Nelissen <mar...@xs4.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> > In comp.sys.be.misc . <yt...@mutilation.net> wrote:
>> >> Your operating system is dead.
>>
>> > You wish.
>>
>> Of course I dont wish, you ignorant buffoon. I enjoy BeOS just as much as
>> the next
>> geek, but sorry to say fella, its on its way out.
>>
>> I know what im talking about. I rode the last wave of OS/2, Commodore,
>> Acorn and
>> intellivision. Dont take it personally though. It was just a huge amount
>> of incredibly
>> bad decisions made by a noble and quite misdirected company.
>>
> OS/2 is alive and well my friend.
Yes I know. In fact, out of the just under 1200 different systems that exist
in my place of employment, OS/2 represents ONE of them. Its a P100 that
lights up the big huge TV matrix by the front desk to impress people.
Lars Duening
> Lars Duening wrote:
> >
> > I have never needed to look for this information before, so no, I don't know
> > how to do that. So be a nice chap and enlighten us - after all, you don't know
> > everything under the sun either.
> >
> > Besides, those of use who do know might come up with completely different
> > information, and then it becomes really interesting to compare the sources.
>
> case, at least, I don't have to start with looking for the power switch on
> the computer...
Well, for starters not every reader here is American, and the rules for public
companies differ from country to country, including what is published where.
And furthermore - well, do you know, for example, five places where you can feel
the pulse (not counting symmetries), how to take the blood pressure, or the
difference between a heat and a sun stroke?
But thanks for the information.
> I don't know who `those of us who do know' are, in your case, but if you
> come up with `different information' than is filed with the SEC you might
> want to consider reporting it, someone is guilty of a felony at a minimum,
> as SEC filings are, IIRC, under `pain of perjury'.
It doesn't even have to be malicious intent - just that a proper source
reference makes clear if the writer knows what he's talking about, of if he's
just reurgitating some second-hand prose from a magazine.
Steve Howie
> In comp.sys.be.advocacy Steve Howie <sho...@uogwelf.ca> wrote:
> > In message <9cknh7$snf$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>, . wrote:
> >> In comp.sys.be.advocacy Marco Nelissen <mar...@xs4.xs4all.nl> wrote:
> >> > In comp.sys.be.misc . <yt...@mutilation.net> wrote:
> >> >> Your operating system is dead.
> >>
> >> > You wish.
> >>
> >> Of course I dont wish, you ignorant buffoon. I enjoy BeOS just as much
> as
> >> the next
> >> geek, but sorry to say fella, its on its way out.
> >>
> >> I know what im talking about. I rode the last wave of OS/2, Commodore,
> >> Acorn and
> >> intellivision. Dont take it personally though. It was just a huge
> amount
> >> of incredibly
> >> bad decisions made by a noble and quite misdirected company.
> >>
>
> > OS/2 is alive and well my friend.
>
> Yes I know. In fact, out of the just under 1200 different systems that
> exist
> in my place of employment, OS/2 represents ONE of them. Its a P100 that
> lights up the big huge TV matrix by the front desk to impress people.
>
>
You see OS'es in the funniest places - I saw an ATM machine in a variety store
a couple of years ago - the application had crashed and instead of "Type in
your PIN number", I had a nice full colour OS/2 presentation manager staring at
me.
Also, the train station in downtown Montreal had an information kiosk which
crashed. It was running Windows NT 3 and had a very ugly BSOD with a nasty
traceback. Unfortunately I didnt have my camera with me :)
Scotty
Joe
"Marco Nelissen" <mar...@xs4.xs4all.nl> wrote
>>
> > Your operating system is dead.
>
> You wish.
You're delusional.
Joe
"Nate LaCourse" <na...@REMOVEcibo.ALLdhs.CAPSorg> wrote
>
> As long as people use it, it isn't dead.
...as long as people are willing to use increasingly outdated equipment to
run it on. After all, with such a dwindling (and ill tempered) userbase, I
don't see hardware developers tripping over themselves to support the BeOS,
or didn't you consider that? Maybe you guys should drop your "fuck off and
get lost then" attitude towards people who are understandably annoyed with
Be. Arrogance and blind zealotry hasn't accomplished much over the past
year, maybe it's time to try another approach, hmm?
Peter Willis
Joe wrote in message ...
> Maybe you guys should drop your "fuck off and
>get lost then" attitude towards people who are understandably annoyed with
>Be. Arrogance and blind zealotry hasn't accomplished much over the past
>year, maybe it's time to try another approach, hmm?
These are BeOS newsgroups.
What do you suggest we support and talk about while we are here?
The whole idea of a topical newsgroup is to discuss, perhaps with blind
zeal,
the topic of that newsgroup. You shouldn't get miffed just because we don't
or won't see it your way.
These attitudes are in EVERY newsgroup. Maybe you should toughen up a bit
before jumping into the pit next time if you can't take it.
Peter
quu...@newsguy.com
Exactly. As a gamer, I've been anxiously waiting for
hardware-accelerated OpenGL. As a programmer, I've desperately prayed
for BONE to come out since the existing network stack is both slow and
buggy. Be, Inc. has declined to give any word at all as to when or if
these technologies will ever make an appearance.
And then there's the problem of a lack of drivers for
increasingly-common video and sound cards -- since R5 came out, we've
seen the advent of the ATI Radeon, the GeForce 2 (and now 3), the Kyro
II, and others. Need I add -- no drivers.
No codec support for newer A/V formats. Balky and incomplete support
for existing formats.
I gave up on Be awhile back; my time is more valuable to me than that.
quux111
Joe
>
> These are BeOS newsgroups.
> What do you suggest we support and talk about while we are here?
> The whole idea of a topical newsgroup is to discuss, perhaps with blind
> zeal,
I simply feel the last thing a shrinking userbase should be doing is chasing
away people who, while "miffed", still care about the BeOS. If Be does
fold, it stands to reason the only way the "community" will survive is if it
is tolerant of all BeOS users regardless of their personal views towards Be.
I've followed this group for years and it has become increasingly hostile
towards the slightest criticism.
> the topic of that newsgroup. You shouldn't get miffed just because we
don't
> or won't see it your way.
I'm not "miffed" because people aren't seeing things my way, this is the
first time I've ever posted here so you don't even know what way I see
things. I'm miffed because instead of seeing things other people's way
yourself, as you are seemingly requesting I do, certain members take it upon
themselves to attack and otherwise chase people away for not seeing things
their way. It's hypocritical to say "don't get miffed if I don't see things
you way" at the same time you're telling someone "get the f*%k out of here
if you don't see things my way"? I'm not referring to you specifically, but
this is a common attitude I've seem from others.
> These attitudes are in EVERY newsgroup. Maybe you should toughen up a bit
> before jumping into the pit next time if you can't take it
Why the necessity to imply this is a place where you kill or be killed?
"jumping into the pit"? It strikes me as a number of supposedly great
contributors to this so called community have fights on their mind and are
all too willing to attack first and ask questions later. Other's, through
agreement or submissiveness, allow these "bullies" to control who is and
isn't welcome in the group. This doesn't make for a very pleasant place to
"hang out" and whether or not you realize it you need all the people you can
get if you really think the BeOS will survive on it's own.
People really need to take a few steps back and see how they're either one,
attacking those who could benefit the community despite being critical of
Be, or two, allowing a small handful of members to limit the growth of the
community by doing number one above.
ad...@voicenet.com
> And then there's the problem of a lack of drivers for
> increasingly-common video and sound cards -- since R5 came out, we've
> seen the advent of the ATI Radeon, the GeForce 2 (and now 3), the Kyro
> II, and others. Need I add -- no drivers.
GeForce: http://www.bebits.com/app/1622
Radeon: http://www.rage3d.com/files/drivers/radeon.shtml
Kyro2: Can't help you there.
Adam
Marco Nelissen
> I know what im talking about.
Again: you wish.
Marco Nelissen
> On 30 Apr 2001 17:36:25 GMT, Marco Nelissen <mar...@xs4.xs4all.nl>
> wrote:
>>In comp.sys.be.misc raj <isra...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>> For the fiscal year ended 12/31/00, net revenues fell 82% to $480 000.
>>> Of this 275,000 $ was paid to Gassee and 213,333 $ to his friend
>>> Steve Sakoman, the CEO.
>>
>>Your math is flawed.
>
> What maths ?
> Try reading the quote again.
I did, and 275000 plus 213333 stil equals 483333, and 483333 dollars
out of 480000 still sounds like flawed math to me. This guy obviously
saw some numbers that he thought looked interesting, and then invented
his own story around them. Had he actually understood the entire report
he might have seen that salaries are already subtracted as part of the
cost of running the business, so exactly zero percent of net revenues
were paid to employees (that's why they're called NET revenues).
Martin Lowe
news:3aef0bca....@enews.newsguy.com...
> As a gamer, I've been anxiously waiting for
> hardware-accelerated OpenGL. ...<snip>...
> I gave up on Be awhile back; my time is more valuable to me than that.
If you're a gamer, then your time can't be that valuable.
--
Martin
"Cocktails first. Questions later"
Joe
Second, this is _exactly_ what I was talking about. Let me ask you this,
who are you going to be able to belittle once everyone's gone?
You people are amazing, you really are.
"Martin Lowe" <meeste...@XhotmailX.com> wrote
Peter Willis
Joe wrote in message ...
>Why the necessity to imply this is a place where you kill or be killed?
>"jumping into the pit"?
It's usenet.
If you say something someone else, erroneously or not, disagrees with
you can expect fireworks. That's part of the artform as far as I can see.
Humans are reactive by nature.
By "jumping into the pit" I mean that you can expect interaction from the
rest of the fury animals in here.
Those types of responses are NOT unique to this newsgroup.
You should read alt.amish.quilting sometime.
Sheesh! talk about potty mouths and opinions in that group. ;)
Peter
Joe
"Peter Willis" <peterw@(nospam)borstad.com> wrote
>
> It's usenet.
> If you say something someone else, erroneously or not, disagrees with
People wouldn't expect and/or to tolerate that type of behavior in a public
gathering place like a park, for example, so it shouldn't be tolerated here.
People need to examine why they're willing to act in a manner that they
wouldn't dare act in public, or sit by while someone else does. It's a cop
out to simply say "it's usenet, it's expected", and I find it particularly
sad that attacking and belittling people is considered an artform and
something to be proud of.
> Humans are reactive by nature.
Another cop out, we also used to burn people at the stake who we suspected
were witches, but we've grown since then.
> By "jumping into the pit" I mean that you can expect interaction from the
> rest of the fury animals in here.
> Those types of responses are NOT unique to this newsgroup.
I can't disagree with you, but for a group who would like to keep the BeOS
viable for as long as possible, as I would, people here better start taming
the few thugs who seem to serve no other purpose than attack dogs.
.
> Again: you wish.
When sony fires you, you have a glowing career with IBM.
Lars Duening
While in general it would be nice if .advocacy were a bit more useful...
> "Peter Willis" <peterw@(nospam)borstad.com> wrote
> >
> > It's usenet.
> > If you say something someone else, erroneously or not, disagrees with
> > you can expect fireworks.That's part of the artform as far as I can see.
>
> People wouldn't expect and/or to tolerate that type of behavior in a public
> gathering place like a park, for example, so it shouldn't be tolerated here.
But Usenet isn't a public park.
> [...] I find it particularly
> sad that attacking and belittling people is considered an artform and
> something to be proud of.
You haven't seen alt.flame then, have you?
Lars Duening
> <quu...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> news:3aef0bca....@enews.newsguy.com...
>
> > As a gamer, I've been anxiously waiting for
> > hardware-accelerated OpenGL. ...<snip>...
> > I gave up on Be awhile back; my time is more valuable to me than that.
>
> If you're a gamer, then your time can't be that valuable.
What? Time you spend enjoying yourself is not valuable?
Peter Willis
Joe wrote in message ...
>
>
>People wouldn't expect and/or to tolerate that type of behavior in a public
>gathering place like a park, for example, so it shouldn't be tolerated
here.
>People need to examine why they're willing to act in a manner that they
>wouldn't dare act in public, or sit by while someone else does. It's a cop
>out to simply say "it's usenet, it's expected", and I find it particularly
>sad that attacking and belittling people is considered an artform and
>something to be proud of.
I've been to many places around the world. I suggest that your view is
an indication of a rather sheltered life. The word 'artform' was used in
jest
and is acually a very common literary device when used to decribe a debacle.
Toughen up, it's a big bad world out there. Usenet is the least of it.
>> Humans are reactive by nature.
>
>Another cop out, we also used to burn people at the stake who we suspected
>were witches, but we've grown since then.
>
Actually, as a society, we have learned to cover the base parts of
behaviours in platitudes.
Political correctness is the worst kind of lie. It keeps people saying one
thing
while feeling another. In psychology this is called repression. It causes
psycological
problems. If repression becomes a social construct it can cause sociological
problems.
Goood, bad, it's all subjective. People need to say what's on their minds.
That way
we can all get on with real business. That's intellectual democracy.
>> Those types of responses are NOT unique to this newsgroup.
>
>I can't disagree with you, but for a group who would like to keep the BeOS
>viable for as long as possible, as I would, people here better start taming
>the few thugs who seem to serve no other purpose than attack dogs.
>
I was hoping that people would return to some more productive discussion
regarding features and programs. I find it interesting that a thread can
usually only
last to a depth of 5 or 6 posts before it degenerates into some kind of
penile squabble.
Most of these instances appear to be inspired by the same group of
individuals.
Perhaps they are Microsoft spies sent to kill the struggling OS.
Pretty cheap insurance for MS to pay a few people to disrupt the news groups
of
the only REAL technological competition. What do you think?
Have a better one.
Peter
Joe
source of my views being a sheltered life, quite the contrary. My views are
a result of seeing, throughout the United States and the rest of the world,
missed opportunity and wasted potential because people are unwilling or
unable to see beyond their own insignificant lives. A sheltered life, I
don't think so, frustration that rampant ignorance and arrogance will
undoubtedly extend far beyond my days on earth, that's more like it. We
have so much potential people, and it's being wasted because we refuse to
accept our responsibility in creating the miserable world we live in. Life
if what _we_ make of it. Idealistic? sure, I won't argue that. Sheltered?
sorry, but no.
Well, take care everyone, I hope the BeOS lives on in whatever way it can.
It was the optimism and idealism of it's early days that attracted me, but
sadly, those days seem long gone.
Regards,
Joseph
"Peter Willis" <peterw@(nospam)borstad.com> wrote in message
news:97WH6.144139$47.20...@news.bc.tac.net...
Harri Haataja
>In message <9cmek5$4oo$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>, . wrote:
>> In comp.sys.be.advocacy Steve Howie <sho...@uogwelf.ca> wrote:
>> > In message <9cknh7$snf$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>, . wrote:
>> >> I know what im talking about. I rode the last wave of OS/2, Commodore,
>> >> Acorn and
>> >> intellivision. Dont take it personally though. It was just a huge
>> amount
>> >> of incredibly
>> >> bad decisions made by a noble and quite misdirected company.
>>
>> > OS/2 is alive and well my friend.
>
>You see OS'es in the funniest places - I saw an ATM machine in a variety store
>a couple of years ago - the application had crashed and instead of "Type in
>your PIN number", I had a nice full colour OS/2 presentation manager staring at
>me.
>
>Also, the train station in downtown Montreal had an information kiosk which
>crashed. It was running Windows NT 3 and had a very ugly BSOD with a nasty
>traceback. Unfortunately I didnt have my camera with me :)
Something with the train stations or? VR Finland also seems to have NT's.
Yes, carshed ones, especially ;) But there's a dozen (with 4 used tops at
peak hours) so you'll get the tickets usually.
I also saw at local computer store a box that usually has some slideshow
running in it in the window, a BSOD. Looked like a 9x one, though.
Then again, one bank (Merita? Leonia?) has had rock-steady, if a bit ugly
(lacking configuration, the X11 stippled background is not nice), X with
twm =) and NS4 running on it. With a wee bit of effort that could have been
quite a nice setup.
--
Integrating Cyberspace into our Moral Universe:
http://securityportal.com/kfiles/files/totemtaboo.html
Bill Leeper
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:50:53 GMT, Nate LaCourse
> <na...@REMOVEcibo.ALLdhs.CAPSorg> wrote:
>
>>> Did you laugh when you heard that commodore was dead?
>>
>>Commodore was a company. BeOS is an Operating System.
>>
>
> And Be is the company who rely on BeOS and BeIA. They don't sell, bye
> bye Be. Unless Be get into fast food as their next focus shift?
Let's see, DOS has been declared dead for a number of years now. So DOS
is dead... But why do we still use DOS then? I seem to recall that until
the next release of Windows, Windows still uses DOS. And try and fix a
number of Windows problems without going to a DOS promt!!!
Be may fail as a company, but BeOS will be around for many years to
come. Even if it fails I for one will be running Be for most of my
internet and mail needs. Windows would choke if I tried to run all the
programs at one time that I routinely run in Be. And yes, I still use
DOS, I have an old laptop running Win 3.1, I have an old Cyrix based
computer running WIN98, I have several old 486's taht I run various
stuff on and I also like to play with Linux. If course most of those
OS's have been officially declared dead, (of course I am not referring
to Linux), but so what? You don't see me wasting money on them ungrading
to the so called latest and greatest windows. For what I want to use
them for they do a great job and I could never accomplish everything I
do with one OS alone. BeOS comes the closest to allowing me to do this,
but even it can't do everything. Enough said.
--
Bill Leeper P-III Powered by BeOS
wle...@newportnet.com BeOS and loving it
Bill Leeper
>
> I hope that explanation suffices. I must say that I'm rather startled
> that
> an explanation was necessary.
Heck, I live in the US and while I could have probably figured out how
to get the information it probably would have taken enough time that I
would have becone disinterested in the project. You should not always
presume that everyone knows what you are talking about.
For example: You might actually know about this device but I would be
surprised if you did. Would you understand if I started talking about a
"magnetostrictive Delay Line"? I think the spelling is correct but it
has been a few years since I had to spell it. :-)
Anyway, I guess what I am trying to say is don't take it wrong when
someone asks for more information.
raj
>surprised if you did. Would you understand if I started talking about a
>"magnetostrictive Delay Line"?
Yes.
If I did not, 3 seconds with Google would have told me.
For example:
http://www.iemw.tuwien.ac.at/publication/workshop0600/Hristoforou.html
Bill Leeper
Hey, thanks for the link. The device has sure changed over the years and
it was interesting reading about it. It sure is different from the ones
we used on the mainframes quite a few years back. But then of course a
64K memory module was a cube about 6" on a side and used iron ferrite
cores...
F. Robert Falbo
> > And Be is the company who rely on BeOS and BeIA. They don't sell, bye
> > bye Be. Unless Be get into fast food as their next focus shift?
> Be may fail as a company, but BeOS will be around for many years to
> come....
Just think of it... "I'd like a BigBe with BeFries and a FrostyBe..."
..Better yet, Sell Mac & Burger King drive-through touchscreen keosks
to order on instead of those pathetic, static-filled things they now use.
--
-bob-
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