TOS 2.06 upgrade
Jason Whorton
benefit would I gain from upgrading to TOS 2.06? The Quick-FAQ states, "TOS
2.06 is the latest version that can be used in an ST(e/f/fm)." and
"Upgrading TOS from a 2 chip version to a newer 2 chip one is quite simple,
provided you change two jumpers on the motherboard (W102 and W104)." Does
anyone know of a place or person that sells the TOS 2.06 chips besides Best
Electronics? I think they wanted $60. That is more than I am willing to
pay, upgrade or not. If anyone can help me out on this, I'd appreciate it.
Please post it here and/or e-mail me.
Thank you,
Jason Whorton
http://www.microxl.com/oldcomputers/main.html
Nicholas Bales
Jason Whorton a écrit :
>
> Hello. I have an Atari 1040STe and I think it has the TOS 1.04 ROM's. What
> benefit would I gain from upgrading to TOS 2.06?
The main difference with TOS 2.06 is the new desktop. It allows placing
program icons (like Win95's shortcuts) on the desktop. It also handles
drag'n'drop, you can change the window background style and colour and
set your own icons.
TOS 2.06 also has some hidden features that make it a mandatory upgrade
of you want to use an internal IDE drive like the TUS IDEal board, or if
you want to go beyond 4Mb RAM with the Magnum board.
<snip>
> Does
> anyone know of a place or person that sells the TOS 2.06 chips besides Best
> Electronics? I think they wanted $60. That is more than I am willing to
> pay, upgrade or not. If anyone can help me out on this, I'd appreciate it.
> Please post it here and/or e-mail me.
>
I'm afraid that's the going price. Maybe you can find them slightly
cheaper. You can also go the pirate route and burn them yourself if you
find the image file.
Nick
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Steve Stupple
writes
>Hello. I have an Atari 1040STe and I think it has the TOS 1.04 ROM's. What
>2.06 is the latest version that can be used in an ST(e/f/fm)." and
>"Upgrading TOS from a 2 chip version to a newer 2 chip one is quite simple,
>anyone know of a place or person that sells the TOS 2.06 chips besides Best
>Electronics? I think they wanted $60. That is more than I am willing to
>pay, upgrade or not. If anyone can help me out on this, I'd appreciate it.
>Please post it here and/or e-mail me.
>
If it's an STE then it will have TOS 1.6 (1.06) or 1.62, the STFM's can
have 1.0, 1.2 or 1.4.
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Mike Harvey
wrote:
>Hello. I have an Atari 1040STe and I think it has the TOS 1.04 ROM's. What
>benefit would I gain from upgrading to TOS 2.06? The Quick-FAQ states, "TOS
>2.06 is the latest version that can be used in an ST(e/f/fm)." and
>"Upgrading TOS from a 2 chip version to a newer 2 chip one is quite simple,
>provided you change two jumpers on the motherboard (W102 and W104)." Does
>anyone know of a place or person that sells the TOS 2.06 chips besides Best
>Electronics? I think they wanted $60. That is more than I am willing to
>pay, upgrade or not. If anyone can help me out on this, I'd appreciate it.
>Please post it here and/or e-mail me.
>
>Thank you,
>Jason Whorton
>http://www.microxl.com/oldcomputers/main.html
>
>
I don't believe TOS 1.4 would even fit a STe. STe's came with TOS 1.6
or 1.62 stock, then could be upgraded to TOS 2.05/.06
Martin Wilson
<ja...@microxl.com> wrote:
>Hello. I have an Atari 1040STe and I think it has the TOS 1.04 ROM's. What
>benefit would I gain from upgrading to TOS 2.06? The Quick-FAQ states, "TOS
>2.06 is the latest version that can be used in an ST(e/f/fm)." and
>"Upgrading TOS from a 2 chip version to a newer 2 chip one is quite simple,
>provided you change two jumpers on the motherboard (W102 and W104)." Does
>anyone know of a place or person that sells the TOS 2.06 chips besides Best
>Electronics? I think they wanted $60. That is more than I am willing to
>pay, upgrade or not. If anyone can help me out on this, I'd appreciate it.
>Please post it here and/or e-mail me.
If you've got the memory to spare simply load it into RAM as
a TOS image. Its available for download on various emulation
sites and I think its only 256k in size anyway.
A permanent swop over to 2.06 will probably mean lower
compatibility with older software. Games mostly.
Theres also a patch version I think which works with the old
TOS and merely updates certain OS routines to 2.06 spec. I
think thats only about 120k in size.
Brian Van TIlborg
>On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:54:58 -0600, "Jason Whorton"
><ja...@microxl.com> wrote:
>
>If you've got the memory to spare simply load it into RAM as
>a TOS image. Its available for download on various emulation
>sites and I think its only 256k in size anyway.
This is impossible. It is for PC EMULATION ONLY. The only TOS I have been
able to load is a buggy Version TOS 3. thats been kicking around. The TOS
image files are only for pacifist. We all would like to do something that
simple:-).
>
>A permanent swop over to 2.06 will probably mean lower
>compatibility with older software. Games mostly.
THis is true.
You might want to get MAGIC. Magic patches many problems of EARLY TOSses
and gives you the benefits up to TOS 2.0 plus MULTI TASKING. Of course then
you might want a little more ram and a hard disk. But this is cheap now, if you
can still find the boards to hold the ram upgrade.
Martin Wilson
Van TIlborg) wrote:
>On 8 Feb 1999 18:56:29 G, Martin Wilson wrote:
>>On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:54:58 -0600, "Jason Whorton"
>><ja...@microxl.com> wrote:
>>
>>If you've got the memory to spare simply load it into RAM as
>>a TOS image. Its available for download on various emulation
>>sites and I think its only 256k in size anyway.
>
>This is impossible. It is for PC EMULATION ONLY. The only TOS I have been
>able to load is a buggy Version TOS 3. thats been kicking around. The TOS
>image files are only for pacifist. We all would like to do something that
>simple:-).
>
>>
Well my STe is setup so I can choose 2.06 or the normal 1.62
at bootup using Sboot7 I think. I'll admit though that the
2.06 I'm using is the patch version but it seems stable and
gives me all the features I need. Obviously though being in
RAM means its a bit more vulnerable.
I did think that you could load a pure TOS 2.06 image too as
I can load up a early 1.02 TOS version complete from disk
using a loader and run it without problems. I'll have to try
it with 2.06 before I can comment further.
I think you'll find that this isn't impossible at all its
just in the past when machines were 1MEG no one could afford
to spare a huge segment for a TOS image but now with dirt
cheap 1meg simms theres nothing to worry about. Remember the
original ST used its own RAM for TOS anyway and it was
supplied on disk.
Djordje Vukovic
>>
>>If you've got the memory to spare simply load it into RAM as
>>a TOS image. Its available for download on various emulation
>>sites and I think its only 256k in size anyway.
>
>This is impossible. It is for PC EMULATION ONLY.
Oh, indeed? Than what OS am I loading into RAM every day these couple
of years? TOS2.06 really CAN be loaded into RAM with a proper loader and/or
some adjustments. There is that TOSPATCH package that can be downloaded
from ftp sites (there are versions for TOS 2.06 and 3.0*). I think
that the archive for TOS 2.06 is called TP206V38. It can fix some TOS bugs,
change TOS starting address (e.g. from E00000 for ROMs to 3C0000 for a
4MB RAM), change system font or keyboard, customize TOS-embedded RSC files
(i.e. you can translate your TOS), etc. Once you are satisfied with
modifications it can make files for burning ino EPROMs.
You would need at least 2MB RAM to work comfortably with RAM-loaded
TOS2.06 because it eats about 300KB.
And it works nicely. And once in RAM it is reset-proof.
>The only TOS I have been able to load is a buggy Version TOS 3.
To what machine? A custom ST? And it works? Please, give more info.
>The TOS image files are only for pacifist. We all would like to do
>something that simple:-).
>>A permanent swop over to 2.06 will probably mean lower
>>compatibility with older software. Games mostly.
>
>THis is true.
>
I think just a couple of games won't work (my son would know more about
this). And I really can't think of a "serious" program that will not work.
OH, yes: somebody has told me that Cubase wont't work. But I don't know- I
am not using it.
>You might want to get MAGIC. Magic patches many problems of EARLY TOSses
>and gives you the benefits up to TOS 2.0 plus MULTI TASKING. Of course then
>you might want a little more ram and a hard disk. But this is cheap now, if you
>can still find the boards to hold the ram upgrade.
>
Well, that is a nice option, too. And Magic can also be burned into EPROMs.
There is even a solution to burn Magic+TOS2.06+CBHD disk driver into a
set of EPROMS so that you can select OS at boot time.
However, having worked for a long time with TOS 2.06 before i tried Magic,
I wanted to make Magic have a similar feel, and I could not on several items
that may seem trivial and yet have made me uncomfortable:
* I could not set desktop icon titles in Magicdesk;
* I could not change keyboard shortcuts for menu items to match those
that I was used to in TOS2.06;
* I could not use the same desktop-icon .RSC file (Magic's ant TOS's are
more-less compatible but must be in different locations and have a
different name) and I wanted to have both OS-es on the computer, sharing
the resources as much as possible;
* Magic (5.1) seemed rather nervous and crached for no apparent reason
more often than I liked;
* I found that, in fact, I did not need multitasking very much.
The alternative jinnee desktop looked much, much nicer than Magicdesk,
but it used toooooo much RAM (and it is commercial).
Cu.
jo...@nuts.edu
mad...@bfree.on.ca (Brian Van TIlborg) wrote:
> >If you've got the memory to spare simply load it into RAM as
> >a TOS image. Its available for download on various emulation
> >sites and I think its only 256k in size anyway.
>
> This is impossible. It is for PC EMULATION ONLY. The only TOS I have been
Loading 2.06 to RAM is quite possible, I did this on my STe several years
ago. All I needed was a small loader that loaded and started the new TOS.
In fact, if you've ever used WinX and GEMRAM you've done exactly this, except
that GEMRAM copies TOS from ROM to RAM instead of loading it from disk.
Jo Even Skarstein
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Keith Lever
jo...@nuts.edu wrote in message <79rnol$6dv$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <pLPv2.10386$r%4.1...@news21.bellglobal.com>,
> mad...@bfree.on.ca (Brian Van TIlborg) wrote:
>
>> >If you've got the memory to spare simply load it into RAM as
>> >a TOS image. Its available for download on various emulation
>> >sites and I think its only 256k in size anyway.
>>
I have an official version of it from Atari,on disk. It is bug free.
It was given to me by my brother who was the Editor of ST Review. If any one
remembers Tony Kaye.He donated all his Atari gear to me after the mag
closed.
If anyone could tell me the copyright situation,then I would consider
releasing it to my friend's website for download.
All the best,
Keith & Laura
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All the best,
Keith & Laura
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Henk Robbers
Keith Lever wrote:
If anyone could tell me the copyright situation,then I would consider
releasing it to my friend's website for download.
It seems that Milan
Computer GmbH: Milan/The Operating System
now has all the rights.
Greetings.
Henk.
Nicholas Bales
Keith Lever a écrit :
>
> jo...@nuts.edu wrote in message <79rnol$6dv$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >In article <pLPv2.10386$r%4.1...@news21.bellglobal.com>,
> > mad...@bfree.on.ca (Brian Van TIlborg) wrote:
> >
> >> >If you've got the memory to spare simply load it into RAM as
> >> >a TOS image. Its available for download on various emulation
> >> >sites and I think its only 256k in size anyway.
> >>
> It is possible to load TOS 2.6 as a prg from the auto folder. I know,because
> I have an official version of it from Atari,on disk. It is bug free.
> It was given to me by my brother who was the Editor of ST Review. If any one
> remembers Tony Kaye.He donated all his Atari gear to me after the mag
> closed.
>
> If anyone could tell me the copyright situation,then I would consider
> releasing it to my friend's website for download.
Legally, I'm afraid you're not allowed to upload it.
Michael Schwingen
Henk Robbers <H.Ro...@cable.A2000.nl> wrote:
>
> It seems that Milan Computer GmbH: Milan/The Operating System
>now has all the rights.
AFAIK, Atari (or Hasbro, JTS, whoever) still holds the copyright, while
Milan (and some others, btw) have the right to sell TOS versions.
cu
Michael
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Henk Robbers
Michael Schwingen wrote:
> Henk Robbers <H.Ro...@cable.A2000.nl> wrote:
> >
> > It seems that Milan Computer GmbH now has all the rights.
>
> AFAIK, Atari (or Hasbro, JTS, whoever) still holds the copyright, while
> Milan (and some others, btw) have the right to sell TOS versions.
>
So probably, or at least hopefully, a licence to continue development.
I would have liked to see their faces when they saw the sources for the first time, especially those that came from DRI. :-)
Henk.
dennis....@ping.be
> So probably, or at least hopefully, a licence to continue development.
They must have a licence to continue development because according to a
article in the German "ST-Computer" they are working hard on TOS 5.0
and when it is finished it will be ported to.......TT and falcon
Some of the highlights:
- Glow Icons, according to Milan the most innovative and beautifull
icons available on any platform today
- New window look, the bars will be smaller and have a optimized 3D
look and also be more flexible....
- Thing will be the standard built in desktop
- new CPX protocol
- Long filenames
- VFAT32 compatible
- Partitions up to 127 GigaByte
Well, lets wait and see.....
Dennis
dennis....@ping.be
ata...@atari-computer.com
Henk Robbers
Henk Robbers
dennis....@ping.be wrote:
> Henk wrote on 13 Feb '99:
> > So probably, or at least hopefully, a licence to continue development.
>
> They must have a licence to continue development because according to a
> article in the German "ST-Computer" they are working hard on TOS 5.0
> and when it is finished it will be ported to.......TT and falcon
I am a optimist. Lets hope they found a bunch of people who love
the trade.
Henk.
Keith Lever
Henk Robbers wrote in message <36C37AE9...@cable.A2000.nl>...
Keith Lever wrote:
If anyone could tell me the copyright situation,then I would consider
releasing it to my friend's website for download.
It seems that Milan Computer GmbH: Milan/The Operating System
now has all the rights.
Greetings.
Henk.
Michael Schwingen
Henk Robbers <H.Ro...@cable.A2000.nl> wrote:
> So probably, or at least hopefully, a licence to continue development.
Correct.
>I would have liked to see their faces when they saw the sources for the
>first time, especially those that came from DRI. :-)
Well - lets say it this way: it took quite some time until I got it to
compile for the first time, and a bit more until it even worked :-)
AES is the worst, then VDI, GEMDOS was quite OK.
Henk Robbers
Michael Schwingen wrote:
> In article <36C4BD89...@cable.a2000.nl>,
> Henk Robbers <H.Ro...@cable.A2000.nl> wrote:
> > So probably, or at least hopefully, a licence to continue development.
>
> Correct.
>
> >I would have liked to see their faces when they saw the sources for the
> >first time, especially those that came from DRI. :-)
>
> Well - lets say it this way: it took quite some time until I got it to
> compile for the first time, and a bit more until it even worked :-)
>
> AES is the worst, then VDI, GEMDOS was quite OK.
>
Know what digital originally meant?
Count by using yours fingers.
If you're missing two fingers you ......
Henk.
Henk Robbers
Michael Schwingen wrote:
> Henk Robbers wrote:
> >I would have liked to see their faces when they saw the sources for the
> >first time, especially those that came from DRI. :-)
>
> Well - lets say it this way: it took quite some time until I got it to
> compile for the first time, and a bit more until it even worked :-)
>
> AES is the worst, then VDI, GEMDOS was quite OK.
This quality is reflected in the interface.Gemdos: parameters on the stack.
AES&VDI: totally insane.
Years ago I wrote for myself a fileselector as a excercise.
I decided to competely rewrite the TurboC AES/VDI libs.
This new lib had these parameterblocks completely built and passed
in local name space (auto: on the stack).
And then it worked.
Henk