Last & complete (?) CT60/63 statistics

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Rodolphe Czuba

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Jul 24, 2005, 10:36:15 AM7/24/05
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Country : People : R1+R6

Austria : 1 : 1+0

Australia : 3 : 2+2

Belgium : 1 : 0+1

Canada : 3 : 2+2

Switzerland : 3 : 2+4

Croatia : 1 : 0+1

Czech : 7 : 3+4

Germany : 47 : 34+22

Espania : 3 : 0+3

France : 66 : 49+23

Finlande : 3 : 2+1

Grece : 1 : 1+0

Hungaria : 1 : 0+1

Italia : 6 : 3+4

Japan : 1 : 0+1

Malaysia : 1 : 1+0

Netherlands : 7 : 7+1

Norway : 3 : 1+2

Polska : 13 : 5+8

Sweden : 20 : 10+11

Slovakia : 5 : 3+4

Serbia & Montenegro : 1 : 0+1

Slovenia : 2 : 0+2

UK : 23 : 12+12

USA : 27 : 15+15


TOTAL = 278 boards

PS : 3 other CPU R6 for USA + 1 other CPU R6 for Germany ---> pending
orders.
PS2 : People that bought CT60/63 without CPU and never bought CPU to me --->
Considered with R1 on the board.


Ronald J. Hall

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Jul 24, 2005, 5:03:54 PM7/24/05
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On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:36:15 +0200, Rodolphe Czuba wrote:

> TOTAL = 278 boards

Hmm, I was just wondering, how many Falcons were sold world-wide? I would
have thought (hoped) that the number of Falcon users who upgraded to this
once in a life-time opportunity would have been much greater.

Thanks.

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Rodolphe Czuba

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Jul 25, 2005, 4:18:53 AM7/25/05
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much greater ??
I'd like because I would be rich now ! ;-)

Maybe if I'd try to do a better price, it may be more attractive...?


Number of falcons in the world : around 10.000 to 12.000 + 1.000 to 2.000
from C-LAB after.
The complete PCB product from atari corp was 20.000, but only 12.000 were
assembled and put in the market pipe.
The other 8.000 were sent partially or totally to C-LAB (2 big cargo
airflights from Sunnyvale to Germany it was told to me !) : it is why C-LAB
do not modify the PCB (even it was urgent to do it : put a SIMM socket on
the mb to avoid the ram card by example !!) for MK1/2/X machines--> they
have to sold the atari PCB !

That's now an old story and we should show at the future, not the past !

Rodolphe

Ronald J. Hall

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Jul 25, 2005, 9:08:04 AM7/25/05
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:18:53 +0200, Rodolphe Czuba wrote:

> much greater ??
> I'd like because I would be rich now ! ;-)

:-)

> Maybe if I'd try to do a better price, it may be more attractive...?

I really don't think there was anything wrong with the price. I for one
feel like I got a high quality item for my money.

> Number of falcons in the world : around 10.000 to 12.000 + 1.000 to 2.000
> from C-LAB after.
> The complete PCB product from atari corp was 20.000, but only 12.000 were
> assembled and put in the market pipe.
> The other 8.000 were sent partially or totally to C-LAB (2 big cargo
> airflights from Sunnyvale to Germany it was told to me !) : it is why C-LAB
> do not modify the PCB (even it was urgent to do it : put a SIMM socket on
> the mb to avoid the ram card by example !!) for MK1/2/X machines--> they
> have to sold the atari PCB !

Perhaps what I was trying to say didn't come across to well (lost in
translation?). Anyways, I guess we should consider out of those 12,000 how
many are still in use today. Anyone have any idea about that? If just
half, say 6000 were in working order today, it still seems to me that more
Falcon owners would have wanted to upgrade their machines. More than 287.

I'm just saying that seems like a low percentage. :-(

> That's now an old story and we should show at the future, not the past !
>
> Rodolphe

I agree.

SWE

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Jul 25, 2005, 9:16:15 AM7/25/05
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Ronald J. Hall wrote:

> Perhaps what I was trying to say didn't come across to well (lost in
> translation?). Anyways, I guess we should consider out of those 12,000 how
> many are still in use today. Anyone have any idea about that? If just
> half, say 6000 were in working order today, it still seems to me that more
> Falcon owners would have wanted to upgrade their machines. More than 287.

100-150 maybe? With term "in use" i understand Falcon is used on daily base,
not to be put out of closet once per month to play some games which dont work
in emulator :)


Janez

Ronald J. Hall

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Jul 25, 2005, 10:10:53 AM7/25/05
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:16:15 +0000, SWE wrote:

> 100-150 maybe? With term "in use" i understand Falcon is used on daily base,
> not to be put out of closet once per month to play some games which dont work
> in emulator :)
>
>
> Janez

Hey SWE! :-)

Gosh, that just seems plain sad, ya know?

I'd have to honestly say that every Atari system I've got, Lynx, Jaguar,
Mega ST (running my BBS), and my Falcon (once I get it back together) get
used daily.

I hadn't realized that the Falcon side of the community had dropped that
low. I figured if anything, that higher end machines like the Falcons, TTs
and clones would be used *more*.

Coda

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Jul 25, 2005, 12:16:21 PM7/25/05
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I bet every day someone gets tempted away to the "dark side"

Coda.

Ronald J. Hall

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Jul 25, 2005, 12:23:00 PM7/25/05
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:16:21 -0700, Coda wrote:

> I bet every day someone gets tempted away to the "dark side"
>
> Coda.

Geez, why don't they do like I did (and I'm sure others have)? Avoid the
"Evil Empire" and go with Linux! :-)

That way you can have modern, up-to-date stuff and still support our Atari
addiction. :-)

SWE

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Jul 25, 2005, 1:08:04 PM7/25/05
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Ronald J. Hall wrote:

>> I bet every day someone gets tempted away to the "dark side"
>

> Geez, why don't they do like I did (and I'm sure others have)? Avoid the
> "Evil Empire" and go with Linux! :-)
>
> That way you can have modern, up-to-date stuff and still support our Atari
> addiction. :-)

Hm in what way Linux is less dark? From Atari point of view any non using of
Ataris, etc is bad. Windows, Linux, Mac? If person sell or put Atari in closet
none of them is any good. Using Linux instead Windows is just an excuse :)

Janez


exxos

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Jul 25, 2005, 1:45:32 PM7/25/05
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"Coda" <smeg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I bet every day someone gets tempted away to the "dark side"
>
> Coda.
>

I looked on ebay for a A1200..... just wondering what they were actually
like cos never had one meself......

chrsi

Rodolphe Czuba

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Jul 25, 2005, 5:04:10 PM7/25/05
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Ronald J. Hall wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:18:53 +0200, Rodolphe Czuba wrote:
>
>> much greater ??
>> I'd like because I would be rich now ! ;-)
>
> :-)
>
>> Maybe if I'd try to do a better price, it may be more attractive...?
>
> I really don't think there was anything wrong with the price. I for
> one feel like I got a high quality item for my money.
>
>> Number of falcons in the world : around 10.000 to 12.000 + 1.000 to
>> 2.000 from C-LAB after.
>> The complete PCB product from atari corp was 20.000, but only 12.000
>> were assembled and put in the market pipe.
>> The other 8.000 were sent partially or totally to C-LAB (2 big cargo
>> airflights from Sunnyvale to Germany it was told to me !) : it is
>> why C-LAB do not modify the PCB (even it was urgent to do it : put a
>> SIMM socket on the mb to avoid the ram card by example !!) for
>> MK1/2/X machines--> they have to sold the atari PCB !
>
> Perhaps what I was trying to say didn't come across to well (lost in
> translation?). Anyways, I guess we should consider out of those
> 12,000 how many are still in use today. Anyone have any idea about
> that? If just half, say 6000 were in working order today, it still
> seems to me that more Falcon owners would have wanted to upgrade
> their machines. More than 287.

You forget that I sold 330 CT1 and 242 CT2 accelerators before !
Some people do not need more than CT2 or CT1...
I sold CT60 to people that have not a CT2 except 1 or 2 people...

But how CT1 + CT2 are yet in use..??

If 6000 F30 are yet in use, they are 6000 that are sleeping somewhere !!
Where are these falcons ? Hey so many people are looking for them...it may
be good to locate some not used falcon !
No falcon on ebay....
Very strange...

Ronald J. Hall

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Jul 25, 2005, 11:39:21 PM7/25/05
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:08:04 +0000, SWE wrote:

> Hm in what way Linux is less dark? From Atari point of view any non using of
> Ataris, etc is bad. Windows, Linux, Mac? If person sell or put Atari in closet
> none of them is any good. Using Linux instead Windows is just an excuse :)
>
> Janez

I guess from the standpoint of anything that takes away from use of our
Ataris, then you have a point.

I suppose my anti-MS anything bias is showing. I loathe everything about
them. Having used MINT on my first Falcon years before, it was a natural
step for me to progress to Linux, rather than Windows.

Linux is much more in line of what my definition of what computing is
supposed to be like and about. MS="bad" in my book, and no one will ever
convince me otherwise. :-)

See ya!

Coda

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Jul 26, 2005, 8:19:52 AM7/26/05
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Lol I have thought the same thing, I just dont have room for an Atari
PLUS an Amiga addiction...

Coda.

Coda

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Jul 26, 2005, 8:23:28 AM7/26/05
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Actually I see Intel as the evil ones. What they did over the years to
AMD is inexcusable.
And to think that they sell so many CPU's and their x86 architechture
actually sucks so badly.

Ronald J. Hall

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Jul 26, 2005, 9:13:33 AM7/26/05
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I agree with you on this - its why all 3 of the Linux boxes in my home LAN
use AMD CPUs... :-)

xla...@cix.compulink.co.uk

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Jul 26, 2005, 6:20:44 PM7/26/05
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I thinks it's more than that - certainly I use mine daily and I
know other club members who do the same (one of them bought a
CT60). In my case I was tempted, but didn't want to recase my
Falcon or hang on an external PS. It's so nice and compact at
present, even with an internal 6.4 GB drive!

Regards, /Peter/

Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara

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Jul 27, 2005, 3:28:00 AM7/27/05
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Salve commonly, Ronald J. Hall <dark...@charter.net> wrote:

> I loathe everything about them.

Then you loathe 80 % of all PC-user...

Saluti-gerulus

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Ronald J. Hall

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Jul 27, 2005, 9:38:41 AM7/27/05
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:28:00 +0200, Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara wrote:

> Salve commonly, Ronald J. Hall <dark...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> I loathe everything about them.
>
> Then you loathe 80 % of all PC-user...
>
> Saluti-gerulus

Please don't attempt to put words in my mouth - I said I loathe everything
about Microsoft, not computer users. Most of them are just misinformed, or
lack a comprehensive education, as far as computing goes...

SWE

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Jul 27, 2005, 11:00:43 AM7/27/05
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xla...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:

> I thinks it's more than that - certainly I use mine daily and I
> know other club members who do the same (one of them bought a
> CT60). In my case I was tempted, but didn't want to recase my
> Falcon or hang on an external PS. It's so nice and compact at
> present, even with an internal 6.4 GB drive!

Yes, i also like original case, it is nice and compact. U dont
need to recase it and external psu is not that bad, if u buy 15cm
extension cable and mount it on rear side and ct60. In that case u
can connect external PSU same way as we did with 520ST or Amiga,
c64 etc.. On back of the Falcon, there is only "PSU jack". I did
that with MKX case, which is not much bigger as original case
anyway..


Janez


Mark D

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Jul 27, 2005, 1:37:57 PM7/27/05
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Not to mention tiny ITX PSU's are quite cheap now and could probably be
made to fit within the Falcon. I'm sure it's been done. The CT60 was
designed to fit in the standard falcon case still. It's the PSU that
needs to be taken care of.

Thanks,
Mark


exxos

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Jul 27, 2005, 3:20:46 PM7/27/05
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"Mark D" <mduc...@nosspamatari-source.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.07.27....@nosspamatari-source.com...

CT60 didn't fit in a normal falcon case, thats why you need ctex ;-)
I'd like to fit in a internal PSU also, its just finding the time to mess
about with it all really :-(

Chris


Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara

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Jul 28, 2005, 1:34:00 AM7/28/05
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Salve commonly, Ronald J. Hall <dark...@charter.net> wrote:

> >> I loathe everything about them.
> >
> > Then you loathe 80 % of all PC-user...
>

> Please don't attempt to put words in my mouth

It's not necessary to put something in your mouth - I deduce only what
you write...

> Most of them are just misinformed, or lack a comprehensive education,
> as far as computing goes...

Aha, you don't loathe them but you think they're idiots... OK!

Ronald J. Hall

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Jul 28, 2005, 8:07:26 AM7/28/05
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:34:00 +0200, Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara wrote:

> Salve commonly, Ronald J. Hall <dark...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> >> I loathe everything about them.
>> >
>> > Then you loathe 80 % of all PC-user...
>>
>> Please don't attempt to put words in my mouth
>
> It's not necessary to put something in your mouth - I deduce only what
> you write...
>
>> Most of them are just misinformed, or lack a comprehensive education,
>> as far as computing goes...
>
> Aha, you don't loathe them but you think they're idiots... OK!
>
> Saluti-gerulus

<Filter mode applied - effective NOW>

Rodolphe Czuba

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Jul 28, 2005, 9:27:12 AM7/28/05
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CT60 fit into the original case and you do not need CTEX for that !!!

The first CT60 have a big fan than cannot be put under the keyboard, but if
you use a bit you brain, you will find a way to put the heatsink differently
and be able to close the case ! I saw many people that put CT60 into the
original case !! One way is just to find a smaller fan and put it near the
heatsink.

SO, PLEASE STOP to spread BAD INFOS !!!

Now the CT63 is furnished with a very thin heatsink+fan bloc (have a look on
my web pages !!)

exxos

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"Rodolphe Czuba" <rodolphe.Beu...@free.fr> wrote in message
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> CT60 fit into the original case and you do not need CTEX for that !!!
>
> The first CT60 have a big fan than cannot be put under the keyboard, but
> if you use a bit you brain, you will find a way to put the heatsink
> differently and be able to close the case ! I saw many people that put
> CT60 into the original case !! One way is just to find a smaller fan and
> put it near the heatsink.
>
> SO, PLEASE STOP to spread BAD INFOS !!!
>
> Now the CT63 is furnished with a very thin heatsink+fan bloc (have a look
> on my web pages !!)
>
>


As the CT60 came it does not fit in the case, if you remove ran then maybe
it will fit. maybe if you fit alternative heatinks also, you your self said
not to try to remove the heatinks as of risk to the CPU!!!!!!!!!

So as as said it does not fit, it is not bad infos, you talk about
modifications to CT60, hence you only need modifications since IT DOES NOT
FIT!!!!!!

Chris

Frank Szymanski

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Jul 28, 2005, 2:37:44 PM7/28/05
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>You forget that I sold 330 CT1 and 242 CT2 accelerators before !
>Some people do not need more than CT2 or CT1...

This is an argument. I have three Falcons for example.

The first one is unmodified (and will always be, just for compatibility
reasons).
The second one has (of course) a CT60.
The third one has an Afterburner and a NOVA graphics card and I use it on a
daily basis as long as there is no acceptable graphics solution for my CT60
falcon.

>I sold CT60 to people that have not a CT2 except 1 or 2 people...
>But how CT1 + CT2 are yet in use..??

>Where are these falcons ? Hey so many people are looking for them...it
>may be good to locate some not used falcon !
>No falcon on ebay....
>Very strange...

I also know a lot of people that still use their Falcons and have more that 1
machine.

So if you assume that there are 6000 Falcons still in use and 1/3 is nearly
unmodified, 1/3 is already equipped with a decent accelerator there is 1/3
(or 2000) potential CT60/63 buyers. This means that Rodolphe already has
reached more than 10% of them. That is quite a good rate I think.

Do you agree?

Regards,

Frank

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