If you are pissed with Microsoft de-facto monopoly...
Zalek...@hotmail.com
email too, it maybe convince the US Congress/Senate to sponser this
law, regardless of MS lobbying efforts.
--------------------------------
Dear Sir,
When I tried to access the Citibank site
https://www.myhomeequity.com/MHE/home.do?sc=0 using my default browser
- Mozilla, I received a message that the only way I can access this
site is by using Microsoft IE. It happens to me with other sites too.
When I use Microsoft IE my computer constantly crashes, so I prefer to
use Mozilla. I also own other computers with Linux, and there is no IE
for Linux. Today the Internet is a standard way for many consumer
products and by forcing consumers to use Microsoft products, it is
like forcing drivers to use Ford cars on some highways.
Please sponser a law that any US comercial Internet site must accept
any Internet browser that adheres to established standards, without
regard of OS or browser maker.
----------------------------------------------
Zalek Bloom
Chris Clement
> This is the email I sent to my repesentatives. If you'll send your
> email too, it maybe convince the US Congress/Senate to sponser this
> law, regardless of MS lobbying efforts.
>
> --------------------------------
> Dear Sir,
>
> - Mozilla, I received a message that the only way I can access this
> site is by using Microsoft IE. It happens to me with other sites too.
> When I use Microsoft IE my computer constantly crashes, so I prefer to
> use Mozilla. I also own other computers with Linux, and there is no IE
> for Linux. Today the Internet is a standard way for many consumer
> products and by forcing consumers to use Microsoft products, it is
> like forcing drivers to use Ford cars on some highways.
> Please sponser a law that any US comercial Internet site must accept
> any Internet browser that adheres to established standards, without
> regard of OS or browser maker.
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> Zalek Bloom
Waste of time. The only thing the government cares about is $$$$$$$.
MuahMan
hundreds, yea thousands of things you can't do on your Mac...... banking.
Of course you could boot to Windows on your mac just to do your banking....
LOL on, and to do your work..... and and and and...
Dean G.
> On Feb 19, 11:15 am, ZalekBl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > This is the email I sent to my repesentatives. If you'll send your
> > email too, it maybe convince the US Congress/Senate to sponser this
> > law, regardless of MS lobbying efforts.
>
> > --------------------------------
> > Dear Sir,
>
> > - Mozilla, I received a message that the only way I can access this
> > site is by using Microsoft IE. It happens to me with other sites too.
> > When I use Microsoft IE my computer constantly crashes, so I prefer to
> > use Mozilla. I also own other computers with Linux, and there is no IE
> > for Linux. Today the Internet is a standard way for many consumer
> > products and by forcing consumers to use Microsoft products, it is
> > like forcing drivers to use Ford cars on some highways.
> > Please sponser a law that any US comercial Internet site must accept
> > any Internet browser that adheres to established standards, without
> > regard of OS or browser maker.
> > ----------------------------------------------
>
> > Zalek Bloom
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Then perhaps you should tell your representative that the government
spends millions of dollars, and perhaps far more, coding for
Microsoft's non-standards compliant browser, IE. The government is is
essence susidizing Microsoft, and also engaging in anti-competative
behavior by favoring a single company with a massive government
subisdy without any legislation allowing such a subsidy.
Tell your congressman that all government web sites should be written
strictly to the standards, and if Microsoft or any other company want
it done otherwise, then that company can pay to have it done instead
of expecting a huge corporate welfare type subsidy. Alternatively, the
government should bill Microsoft for the work done.
Dean G.
Chris Clement
> On Feb 19, 12:45 pm, "Chris Clement" <chris.clem...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 19, 11:15 am, ZalekBl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > > This is the email I sent to my repesentatives. If you'll send your
> > > email too, it maybe convince the US Congress/Senate to sponser this
> > > law, regardless of MS lobbying efforts.
>
> > > --------------------------------
> > > Dear Sir,
>
Then my congressman will yawn and move on to issues in which the vast
majority of the public really care about. I hear what you are saying
and I agree with much of it, but this is just not a hot political
topic. If I had enough money to bribe....I mean.....finance some
campaigns then maybe.
MuahMan
Like there aren't more pressing needs to take care of. NO! The government
must make Apple GROW damn it!!!
Clockmeister
<Zalek...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pdmjt213qb3rfn785...@4ax.com...
> This is the email I sent to my repesentatives. If you'll send your
> email too, it maybe convince the US Congress/Senate to sponser this
> law, regardless of MS lobbying efforts.
>
> --------------------------------
How is it MS's fault that your browser is shit?
How about sending a message to the developers of your browser asking them to
support the site and stop trying to hold everyone else back because you want
to use a shite browser?
John Slade
> email too, it maybe convince the US Congress/Senate to sponser this
> law, regardless of MS lobbying efforts.
>
Microsoft is not now, nor has it ever been a monopoly. At all times in
it's existence there have been other choices. No opinion from judges can
change that. The root of the word "monopoly" is "mono" which means one. It
does not mean two or three it means one and one only. That's why anyone with
a little sense knows that Microsoft is not a monopoly. Using words and
phrases to qualify they meaning of "monopoly" is the refuge of those who
competed with Microsoft and got handed their asses. Even the people who
cried about Microsoft giving away a browser probably use OS X, Unix and
Linux versions that come with free browsers.
It's really sad when people let their hatred of Bill Gates and
Microsoft take over reason.
John
John Slade
"Dean G." <dgutt...@4ecp.com> wrote in message
news:1171918519....@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I hope this is a joke. Nobody is forced to use Windows or IE for that
matter. In fact there are standards compliant browsers that work in Windows.
In fact IE is a standards compliant browser even if it used a different
standard than everyone else. The government will find a way to waste any
money saved. The best protest you guys can ever have against Microsoft is to
download a Unix or Linux version. That way you will not be subsidizing any
computer companies. If most people decided to download free OSes it would
send a message to Microsoft and Apple to put out better products than what
they put out now.
John
Wegie
> Microsoft is not now, nor has it ever been a monopoly. At all times in
> it's existence there have been other choices. No opinion from judges can
> change that. The root of the word "monopoly" is "mono" which means one. It
> does not mean two or three it means one and one only. That's why anyone with
> a little sense knows that Microsoft is not a monopoly. Using words and
> phrases to qualify they meaning of "monopoly" is the refuge of those who
> competed with Microsoft and got handed their asses. Even the people who
> cried about Microsoft giving away a browser probably use OS X, Unix and
> Linux versions that come with free browsers.
>
> It's really sad when people let their hatred of Bill Gates and
> Microsoft take over reason.
john, you need to learn what the word "monopoly" means. it doesn't mean
"one choice", it means "exclusive control".
"Exclusive control by one group of the means of producing or selling a
commodity or service"
http://www.answers.com/monopoly&r=67
your understanding of basic vocabulary is appalling.
--
.
John Slade
"Wegie" <he...@northere.com> wrote in message
news:45db2722$0$704$815e...@news.qwest.net...
Wegie, the dolt who said that Serial ATA is not a standard because
Apple didn't "ratify" it, is trying to tell someone about grasping basic
concepts. Look Wegie, this is what "monopoly" means.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=monopoly
Here is what "exclusive" means.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=exclusive
I like the part where it tells you it can mean "single" or "sole".
Microsoft never had singular and sole access to the Intel platform. Anyone
who is telling you differently is lying or they don't know the meaning of
the words I just defined.
John
Peter Köhlmann
"Wegie" is the same dimwit who posts as "Oxford", better known as "OxRetard"
since there is no dumber poster on all of usenet
All in all, he shares a lot of traits with Snot. You could add
their "intelligence", and you still would come up with a single digit
value. And both are Mac users.
That fact alone explains their utter stupidity
OxRetard claims that Macs are "unhackable" despite the many proofs to the
contrary, and Snot thinks he is a "teacher"
--
It is very difficult to prophesy, especially when it pertains to the
future.
zalek
> "Dean G." <dguttada...@4ecp.com> wrote in message
John,
My letter is not a protest against MS - MS is doing what every good
corporation should do - to milk consumers as much as they could. My
point is - that the same way government regulates radio frequencies,
car emission or airborn traffic - the government should establish a
standard (I don't care if it is a MS standard) for internet browsers.
And this is a reason I ask you guys to write letters to your
representatives. The more letters we write, the bigger chance that
government will do something - and this action will not send Bill
Gates broke.
Zalek...@hotmail.com
I never said it is a MS fault - this is our government fault for not
enforcing standards for browsers, wordprocessors or spreadsheets. Of
course MS profits from this situation, but the purpose of a
corporation is not to make good products - the purpose of a
corporation is to make profits for it board of directors and for other
shareholders. And this is the reason I asked you guy to write not to
Bill Gates - but to your representatives.
Zalek
Zalek...@hotmail.com
John,
Did you notice that I wrote "de-facto monopoly"? Here is explanation
from Wikipedia:
"De facto is a Latin expression that means "in fact" or "in practice"
but not spelled out by law. It is commonly used in contrast to de jure
(which means "by law")".
De facto - it means that if I want to sure that my resume in format
.doc will be read correctly by my prospective employer, I have to
write it using MS Word (I was told this on Linux Expo). It means that
Intuit or Quick Books or other popular software are written for Win
only.
I have nothing against Bill Gates - he have legal right to lobby our
government to support outsourcing and not to enforce any non-MS
standards or procedures that will reduce his products price. It is
about our(?) representatives, not about Bill Gates.
Zalek
Sam Smith
news:12tle0l...@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
> How is it MS's fault that your browser is shit?
>
:))))
---
Sam
Ryan P.
>
> My letter is not a protest against MS - MS is doing what every good
> corporation should do - to milk consumers as much as they could. My
> point is - that the same way government regulates radio frequencies,
> car emission or airborn traffic - the government should establish a
> standard (I don't care if it is a MS standard) for internet browsers.
> And this is a reason I ask you guys to write letters to your
> representatives. The more letters we write, the bigger chance that
> government will do something - and this action will not send Bill
> Gates broke.
>
>
Government regulation is good in some instances, but I don't think it
would be good in this instance. They would create standards based on
information that is out-of-date, and it would hold back innovation.
Imagine being stuck with IE 7 for 10 years because the government
couldn't figure out what improvements it liked.
Ryan P.
> course MS profits from this situation, but the purpose of a
> corporation is not to make good products - the purpose of a
> corporation is to make profits for it board of directors and for other
> shareholders. And this is the reason I asked you guy to write not to
So a private corporation shouldn't be allowed to develop a product
that is too successful? You are essentially asking the government to be
in control of R&D for a quickly evolving market (computer software).
The government does NOTHING quickly.
I take that back... they QUICKLY take money the see as vulnerable from
private citizens and businesses. (Let's all hope Hillary doesn't get
her way and confiscate energy company profits... imagine what THAT will
do to gas prices!)
Lefty Bigfoot
(in article <45dc661e$0$24740$4c36...@roadrunner.com>):
> zalek wrote:
>
>>
>> My letter is not a protest against MS - MS is doing what every good
>> corporation should do - to milk consumers as much as they could. My
>> point is - that the same way government regulates radio frequencies,
>> car emission or airborn traffic - the government should establish a
>> standard (I don't care if it is a MS standard) for internet browsers.
>> And this is a reason I ask you guys to write letters to your
>> representatives. The more letters we write, the bigger chance that
>> government will do something - and this action will not send Bill
>> Gates broke.
>>
>>
>
> Government regulation is good in some instances, but I don't think it
> would be good in this instance. They would create standards based on
> information that is out-of-date, and it would hold back innovation.
No need for the government to "create standards". Simply
requiring all government agencies publishing content for
external (i.e. non-private, or non-secret data via the internet)
to do so using open standards, so that they are accessible for
all, not just those that choose a broken, albeit popular
platform.
--
Lefty
All of God's creatures have a place..........
.........right next to the potatoes and gravy.
See also: http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/iProduct.gif
Clockmeister
"Lefty Bigfoot" <nu...@busyness.info> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C20257A4...@news.verizon.net...
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:32:36 -0600, Ryan P. wrote
> (in article <45dc661e$0$24740$4c36...@roadrunner.com>):
>
>> zalek wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My letter is not a protest against MS - MS is doing what every good
>>> corporation should do - to milk consumers as much as they could. My
>>> point is - that the same way government regulates radio frequencies,
>>> car emission or airborn traffic - the government should establish a
>>> standard (I don't care if it is a MS standard) for internet browsers.
>>> And this is a reason I ask you guys to write letters to your
>>> representatives. The more letters we write, the bigger chance that
>>> government will do something - and this action will not send Bill
>>> Gates broke.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Government regulation is good in some instances, but I don't think it
>> would be good in this instance. They would create standards based on
>> information that is out-of-date, and it would hold back innovation.
>
> No need for the government to "create standards". Simply
> requiring all government agencies publishing content for
> external (i.e. non-private, or non-secret data via the internet)
> to do so using open standards, so that they are accessible for
> all, not just those that choose a broken, albeit popular
> platform.
>
It's not broken, it just exceeds the standard.
zalek
wrote:
> zalekwrote:
> couldn't figure out what improvements it liked.
I am not so pesimistic - YOU CAN define standards they will not hold
you down - you define the minimal set of instructions that every
browse MUST understand. If MS wants to define more instructions - it
is still OK, as long as COMMERCIAL sites will not drop browsers that
are not using this instructions. Now we are in a state were government
interversion is needed - it will reduce price wordprocessors and
spreadsheets and will make programming of web pages much easier.
Zalek
John Slade
<Zalek...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ohhnt21pu40m2opvr...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:35:06 -0800, "John Slade"
> <hhit...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>
>><Zalek...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:pdmjt213qb3rfn785...@4ax.com...
>>> This is the email I sent to my repesentatives. If you'll send your
>>> email too, it maybe convince the US Congress/Senate to sponser this
>>> law, regardless of MS lobbying efforts.
>>>
>>
>> Microsoft is not now, nor has it ever been a monopoly. At all times in
>>it's existence there have been other choices. No opinion from judges can
>>change that. The root of the word "monopoly" is "mono" which means one. It
>>does not mean two or three it means one and one only. That's why anyone
>>with
>>a little sense knows that Microsoft is not a monopoly. Using words and
>>phrases to qualify they meaning of "monopoly" is the refuge of those who
>>competed with Microsoft and got handed their asses. Even the people who
>>cried about Microsoft giving away a browser probably use OS X, Unix and
>>Linux versions that come with free browsers.
>>
>> It's really sad when people let their hatred of Bill Gates and
>>Microsoft take over reason.
>>
>>John
>>
> John,
>
> Did you notice that I wrote "de-facto monopoly"? Here is explanation
> from Wikipedia:
<spin snippage>
I know what you meant. You qualified "monopoly". Microsoft is not, nor
has it ever been a monopoly.
John
Ronald J. Hall
I'm not sure why this is in comp.sys.atari.advocacy, but while MS may
or may not be a "pure" monopoly, it surely is monopolistic, as well as
being very antagonistic towards any competitor... Too many examples to
list here.
Isn't "embrace, extend, and extinguish" one of their main mottos? :(
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Maverick
Mitch
zalek <Zalek...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My letter is not a protest against MS - MS is doing what every good
> corporation should do - to milk consumers as much as they could.
You don't understand the purpose of a corporation at all.
You don't understand what it is trying to do, what it should do, or
what it must in order to do the other things.
It sounds like you are framing what corporations should do as what
Microsoft has been doing -- placing Microsoft as the pinnacle of
exactly what a corporation must be. That's just so WRONG it can't be
excused.
zalek
> In article <1172030667.424537.250...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>
> zalek <ZalekBl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > My letter is not a protest against MS - MS is doing what every good
> > corporation should do - to milk consumers as much as they could.
>
> You don't understand the purpose of a corporation at all.
> You don't understand what it is trying to do, what it should do, or
> what it must in order to do the other things.
>
> It sounds like you are framing what corporations should do as what
> Microsoft has been doing -- placing Microsoft as the pinnacle of
> exactly what a corporation must be. That's just so WRONG it can't be
> excused.
Well, if I am wrong - please correct me. What is a purpose the purpose
of corporation?
Zalek
Lefty Bigfoot
(in article
<1172407034.4...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>):
Line the pockets of the execs as much as possible without
getting caught.
Mitch
<Zalek...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > My letter is not a protest against MS - MS is doing what every good
> > > corporation should do - to milk consumers as much as they could.
> >
> > You don't understand the purpose of a corporation at all.
> > You don't understand what it is trying to do, what it should do, or
> > what it must in order to do the other things.
> >
> > It sounds like you are framing what corporations should do as what
> > Microsoft has been doing -- placing Microsoft as the pinnacle of
> > exactly what a corporation must be. That's just so WRONG it can't be
> > excused.
>
>
> Well, if I am wrong - please correct me. What is a purpose the purpose
> of corporation?
Typically, you can't say much other than 'to stay in business.'
After that, the attitudes and intentions and real behaviors of a
corporation (and every different perspective on them) come into play
too much to say anything meaningful.
For instance, your summary above is investor-centric and extremely
anti-consumer. That is, it assumes the consumer is to be fought and
overcome. Companies with excellent products that are recognized as
excellent don't take that attitude, and companies with poor products
that can't stand the light of consumer review often take that attitude.
For everything in between those, it's hard to pin down the 'purpose' of
a company or corporation much. But it's very cynical and pessimistic to
assume that all corporations exist and plan primarily to fight and
overcome the consumer for his dollar.
John Slade
"Maverick" <S...@ranch.org> wrote in message
news:sfadnRX-p-jO5kLY...@bresnan.com...
I said this before, a judge or jury's opinion does not change the fact
the Microsoft isn't now nor has it ever been a monopoly.
John
Steve Carroll
"John Slade" <hhit...@pacbell.net> wrote:
That's a 'Michael Glasser' argument if I've ever heard one... and it
doesn't change the fact that MS has operated with a power unseen prior
to their obtaining it.
--
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"Not only do I lie about what others are claiming,
I show evidence from the records".-Snit
Sandman is not a pro because "his site's didn't perfectly validate"-Snit
"Once we see or hear of couples - even a relatively small number - who
engage in legal, consensual,adult incestuous relationships, the whole
idea of incest with minors becomes thinkable." - Snit
LazarX
> WTF!?!! I thought everything "Just Worked" on Macs. Ad this to the list
> of hundreds, yea thousands of things you can't do on your Mac......
> banking.
>
> Of course you could boot to Windows on your mac just to do your
> banking.... LOL on, and to do your work..... and and and and...
I manage my Bank of America accounts, pay my Comcast, PSE&G, and Vonage
bills, as well as my Columbiahouse and NY Times subscriptions all on
my eMac. I also use it for my Desktop Publishing and image editing work.
I use my Windows machine for games.
Daniel Mandic
> and image editing work. I use my Windows machine for games.
That's your problem!
Why don't you tell your story to a haircutter!?
Best regards,
Daniel Mandic
John C. Randolph
> This is the email I sent to my repesentatives.
Send it to citybank, and you might reach someone who actually cares.
-jcr