cc65 compile for Apple 2e?
Harry Potter
program? I have atools for Win32.
John B. Matthews
<f2bdc7ee-2f32-44ba...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Harry Potter <maspet...@aol.com> wrote:
> Uh, how do I use cc65 to compile an Apple 2 DOS 3.3 or ProDOS
> program? I have atools for Win32.
I don't have either. I'm using GNU make and AppleCommander on Mac OS X.
To compile samples/hello.c, for example:
HELLO=hello
${HELLO}: ${HELLO}.c
cl65 -O -l -t apple2enh ${HELLO}.c
ac -d p1.po ${HELLO}
ac -cc65 p1.po ${HELLO} bin < ${HELLO}
Here's a page that discusses atools, although it may change:
<http://www.cc65.org/doc/intro-6.html#ss6.1>
AppleCommander is an alternative to atools:
<http://applecommander.sourceforge.net/>
In addition to a nice GUI, it works from the command line with cc65 and
other cross-development tools:
<http://applecommander.sourceforge.net/acguide.html>
--
John B. Matthews
trashgod at gmail dot com
home dot woh dot rr dot com slash jbmatthews
Harry Potter
> In article
> <f2bdc7ee-2f32-44ba-bb01-eb746e3c9...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> Harry Potter <maspethro...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Uh, how do I use cc65 to compile an Apple 2 DOS 3.3 or ProDOS
> > program? I have atools for Win32.
>
> I don't have either. I'm using GNU make and AppleCommander on Mac OS X.
> To compile samples/hello.c, for example:
>
emulation programming on trhe last. I need something that is already
compiled for Win32.
> Here's a page that discusses atools, although it may change:
>
> <http://www.cc65.org/doc/intro-6.html#ss6.1>
>
It didn't help. All I'm getting is the help, which is uninformative.
> AppleCommander is an alternative to atools:
>
> <http://applecommander.sourceforge.net/>
>
> In addition to a nice GUI, it works from the command line with cc65 and
> other cross-development tools:
>
I need the command line functionality. But I also need it to be
already compiled for Win32. I really don't want to go through all the
trouble to compile it. But if I have to, I might as well. Thank you,
anyway.
John B. Matthews
<b44d6c0e-de0e-4214...@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Harry Potter <maspet...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 5, 1:45 pm, "John B. Matthews" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <f2bdc7ee-2f32-44ba-bb01-eb746e3c9...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> > Harry Potter <maspethro...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Uh, how do I use cc65 to compile an Apple 2 DOS 3.3 or ProDOS
> > > program? I have atools for Win32.
> >
> > I don't have either. I'm using GNU make and AppleCommander on Mac OS X.
> > To compile samples/hello.c, for example:
> >
> I have WinVis\ta, WinXP and Win98, although I'm no longer doing
> emulation programming on trhe last. I need something that is already
> compiled for Win32.
>
> > Here's a page that discusses atools, although it may change:
> >
> > <http://www.cc65.org/doc/intro-6.html#ss6.1>
> >
> It didn't help. All I'm getting is the help, which is uninformative.
Perhaps it seems that way at first. You've got a lot of reading and
experimenting to do, but that's what makes it such an consuming
avocation!
> > AppleCommander is an alternative to atools:
> >
> > <http://applecommander.sourceforge.net/>
> >
> > In addition to a nice GUI, it works from the command line with cc65 and
> > other cross-development tools:
> >
>
> I need the command line functionality. But I also need it to be
> already compiled for Win32.
It's already compiled for all platforms that run Java, including
Windows. You can learn more about Java here:
> I really don't want to go through all the trouble to compile it. But
> if I have to, I might as well. Thank you, anyway.
You're welcome!
Harry Potter
> Harry Potter <maspethro...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 5, 1:45 pm, "John B. Matthews" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <f2bdc7ee-2f32-44ba-bb01-eb746e3c9...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Harry Potter <maspethro...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Uh, how do I use cc65 to compile an Apple 2 DOS 3.3 or ProDOS
> > > > program? I have atools for Win32.
>
> > > I don't have either. I'm using GNU make and AppleCommander on Mac OS X.
> > > To compile samples/hello.c, for example:
>
> > I have WinVis\ta, WinXP and Win98, although I'm no longer doing
> > emulation programming on trhe last. I need something that is already
> > compiled for Win32.
>
> > > Here's a page that discusses atools, although it may change:
>
> > > <http://www.cc65.org/doc/intro-6.html#ss6.1>
>
> > It didn't help. All I'm getting is the help, which is uninformative.
>
> Perhaps it seems that way at first. You've got a lot of reading and
> experimenting to do, but that's what makes it such an consuming
> avocation!
>
> > > AppleCommander is an alternative to atools:
>
> > > <http://applecommander.sourceforge.net/>
>
> Windows. You can learn more about Java here:
>
> <http://java.sun.com/>
>
Which distribution do I download? the "ac" one?
John B. Matthews
<c3b078f8-b843-4494...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Harry Potter <maspet...@aol.com> wrote:
[...][...]
> > > > I need the command line functionality.
> Which distribution do I download? the "ac" one?
Yes, AppleCommander-1.3.5-ac.jar is the command line version.
Harry Potter
> Harry Potter <maspethro...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Which distribution do I download? the "ac" one?
>
> Yes, AppleCommander-1.3.5-ac.jar is the command line version.
>
Can WinRAR decompress .jar files? Which version is the interacvtive
version?
Harry Potter
> Can WinRAR decompress .jar files? Which version is the interacvtive
> version?
One more question: How do I use it? The ac version doesn't run on my
WinVista system, and I don't see an executable on the main version.
John B. Matthews
of questions, which I will summarize:
> Uh, how do I use cc65 to compile an Apple 2 DOS 3.3 or ProDOS
> program? I have atools for Win32.
AppleCommander is an alternative to atools:
<http://applecommander.sourceforge.net/>
> I need the command line functionality. But I also need it to be
> already compiled for Win32. I really don't want to go through all the
> trouble to compile it. But if I have to, I might as well.
It's already compiled for all platforms that run Java, including
Windows. You can learn more about Java here:
> Which distribution do I download? the "ac" one?
Yes, AppleCommander-1.3.5-ac.jar is the command line version.
> Can WinRAR decompress .jar files?
Sorry, I don't use Windows; you don't need to decompress it to use it.
> Which version is the interacvtive version?
The other .jar in the list.
> One more question: How do I use it?
<http://applecommander.sourceforge.net/acguide.html>
> The ac version doesn't run on my WinVista system, and I don't see an
> executable on the main version.
Sorry, I don't use Windows.
I see you have a remarkable curiosity about an impressive list of
systems and languages I don't use:
<http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=aeza2BQAAABwiORfH
i73SsmlBWOjQlL0OPANdqfI6prRsqjc7uCt1A>
It's only fair to give you a chance to catch up on your reading.
Bill Buckels
"John B. Matthews" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:nospam-EB52B2....@web.aioe.org...
> In several articles Harry Potter <maspet...@aol.com> asked a variety
of questions, which I will summarize:
Hi John,
Harry too.
Harry, Java is the same no matter where you use it. You are looking around
for an executable but Java is a runtime environment and uses bytecode that
runs in the runtime environment. The executable is Java.
Jar files are standard libraries for the runtime environment. The fact that
they are zipped means nothing. Java handles all that.
But if you want to learn Java asking questions here probably isn't the best
place. I would go to:
If you are having trouble with Vista opening Java program is it possible you
don't have a Java runtime installed? If it installed, the file association
should exist for "open with" in your registry.
John I still need to install Apple Commander and muck with Aztec C, but I
have been incredibly busy making money lately so haven't had the cycles.
Sorry, I have been remiss:(
And I do use Windows. Linux too, but that's for money not for fun.
Regards,
Bill
John B. Matthews
"Bill Buckels" <bbuc...@mts.net> wrote:
> John I still need to install Apple Commander and muck with Aztec C, but I
> have been incredibly busy making money lately so haven't had the cycles.
> Sorry, I have been remiss:(
Not at all! Ping me if you have questions.
> And I do use Windows. Linux too, but that's for money not for fun.
I use Linux for money _and_ fun. Don't let on! ;-)
Bill Buckels
> Not at all! Ping me if you have questions.
I'll probably redo the Aztec C Windows Cross-Compilers and add AC scripts to
the make files. I'll check-out your environments etc. to see what the best
way might be.
> I use Linux for money _and_ fun. Don't let on! ;-)
Don't worry I won't tell.
I have a number of Windows and Linux cross-applications written in Trolltech
Qt C++ that I have either written or that I support. All the communities in
the Canadian Arctic that have Co-op grocery stores run a mixed Linux and
Windows network. Hey we even put mono on an old Mandrake distro to run
Visual BASIC apps for this client. And we have cross-java apps as well. We
used to have more. We orginally wrote the WEB order entry system using java
and exadel struts, later replaced with ASP.NET and moved from apache to IIS.
I work pretty closely with Brad and Phil at linuxcanada.com for the same
client. Brad is now developing on a brand new Mac Plus BTW.
My company ( www.appttius.com ) doesn't play favorites although we are a
Microsoft certified Gold Partner. The only time I get to be an arrogant
developer is when I am reliving the glory days of the old programs for retro
systems. Money is money honey:)
Bill
John B. Matthews
"Bill Buckels" <bbuc...@mts.net> wrote:
Now Bill, you're not arrogant. Ebullient, surely, but not arrogant. :-)
Harry Potter
> "John B. Matthews" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in messagenews:nospam-EB52B2....@web.aioe.org...> In several articles Harry Potter <maspethro...@aol.com> asked a variety
>
> of questions, which I will summarize:
>
> Hi John,
>
> Harry too.
>
> they are zipped means nothing. Java handles all that.
>
ran a program which immediately exited. Mind you, it is a WinVista
system before Service Pack 1 and contains a lot of bugs.
> If you are having trouble with Vista opening Java program is it possible you
> don't have a Java runtime installed? If it installed, the file association
> should exist for "open with" in your registry.
>
It does, but the program doesn't run, anyway.
> John I still need to install Apple Commander and muck with Aztec C, but I
> have been incredibly busy making money lately so haven't had the cycles.
> Sorry, I have been remiss:(
>
> And I do use Windows. Linux too, but that's for money not for fun.
>
I wonder about linux. How good is it? Should I get it?
Michael J. Mahon
>>
>> of questions, which I will summarize:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Harry too.
>>
>> Jar files are standard libraries for the runtime environment. The fact that
>> they are zipped means nothing. Java handles all that.
>>
> I opened the file, and nothing happens. The system acts as if it just
> ran a program which immediately exited. Mind you, it is a WinVista
> system before Service Pack 1 and contains a lot of bugs.
>
>> If you are having trouble with Vista opening Java program is it possible you
>> don't have a Java runtime installed? If it installed, the file association
>> should exist for "open with" in your registry.
>>
>
> It does, but the program doesn't run, anyway.
>
>> John I still need to install Apple Commander and muck with Aztec C, but I
>> have been incredibly busy making money lately so haven't had the cycles.
>> Sorry, I have been remiss:(
>>
>> And I do use Windows. Linux too, but that's for money not for fun.
>>
> I wonder about linux. How good is it? Should I get it?
Not just to run Java. Spend a little time and get it working
on your Windows system. Vista is not as much of a problem as
you suggest. Patience and perseverence pay off like nothing
else.
-michael
AppleCrate: An Apple II "blade server"!
Home page: http://members.aol.com/MJMahon/
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>Ping me if you have questions.
Hello John,
I finally got around to installing a couple of versions of ac and the GUI
version of Apple Commander as well. No questions so far.
In Windows XP this is straight forward as anywhere else and it all works for
me so far as I expected it would. Being the wierd guy that I am and noticing
that some of the files that I downloaded had the zip extension, I did what
any self-respecting java programmer would do and renamed them to .jar from
.zip
Then I got even wierder because I hate to type such long names so I created
some batch files which is MS-DOS-speak for exec files. This saved me typing
some long names at the command line (Windows supports tabbed-scrolling of
filenames like linux or anywhere else at the command prompt but lots of
Windows user don't think to do that... it's more of a unix thing I guess).
Anyhow, to cut to the chase, I thought about what Bill Garber had said about
disliking the command line and how Harry Potter had been looking for
executables, and I backread some of the other posts that we had on ac.
It seems to me that I'd better provide some Windows-like explanations and
some shortcuts and so forth including makefile support for ac going forward
and maybe even an MS-DOS style batch file or two for the old-fashioned of us
that like that sort of thing better when I include ac support with Aztec C.
I also have some playing to do yet because I generally strip the 4 byte
header that the Aztec C cross-compiler puts on in my own routines.
Man! We got wrappers upon wrappers don't we:)
Anyway, if someone (maybe Harry Potter) gave-up on ac, I don't think they
should, (it's quick on a Windows machine) and here's some sample batches
that might help:
The first one is for the gui and the next two are for your stuff.
x--- snip ---x
@echo off
rem save this as ac.bat and put it into your ac directory
rem you must have swt installed as well
java -jar AppleCommander-1.3.5.jar
x--- snip ---x
@echo off
rem save this as acc.bat and put it into your ac directory
java -jar AppleCommander-1.3.5-ac.jar %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9
x--- snip ---x
@echo off
rem save this as acc1.bat and put it into your ac directory
java -jar AppleCommander-1.3.5.1-ac.jar %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9
Well that's the idea anyway...
I'll let you know when I've put together something more substantial, like a
complete build and test script of sorts. So much to do and so little time:)
Bill
John B. Matthews
"Bill Buckels" <bbuc...@mts.net> wrote:
> "John B. Matthews" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:nospam-E5F70F....@aioe.org...
> >Ping me if you have questions.
[...]
> x--- snip ---x
> @echo off
> rem save this as ac.bat and put it into your ac directory
> rem you must have swt installed as well
> java -jar AppleCommander-1.3.5.jar
Good point about swt. You should be able to double click on it, too.
> x--- snip ---x
> @echo off
> rem save this as acc.bat and put it into your ac directory
> java -jar AppleCommander-1.3.5-ac.jar %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9
Thanks! Is that the usual DOS idiom for "as many parameters as are
sent?" Would "%1 %2 %3 %4" be OK for up to four? Do you know a DOS
equivalent to bash "${@}", in effect meaning "all parameters, quoted."
java -jar AppleCommander-1.3.5-ac.jar "${@}"
Looks like time for me to update the command-line guide:
<http://applecommander.sourceforge.net/acguide.html>
schmidtd
> Thanks! Is that the usual DOS idiom for "as many parameters as are
> sent?"
Bill Buckels
news:nospam-6CB84D....@aioe.org...
> Thanks! Is that the usual DOS idiom for "as many parameters as are sent?"
> Would "%1 %2 %3 %4" be OK for up to four?
Yes. And all that a windows user needs to do to find out more is type help
at the cmd prompt. This convention has been in use for as long as I
remember. Which isn't saying much since my memory fades fast these days:)
and since you are not a windows user you'll just have to take my word on it
<g> or I'll need to eat more fish.
>Do you know a DOS equivalent to bash "${@}", in effect meaning "all
>parameters, quoted."
There is NO globbing as such like in bash or ksh or sh or perl that I am
aware-of... to me batch file syntax is a hybrid like a cross between the old
CP/M SUBMIT and GWBASIC and other stuff Gates worked on. There is syntax
like cut uses and the notion of fields and so forth and pipes and
redirection and all that but the notion of a argument array isn't quite
there to my knowledge... however a SHIFT keyword does exist ... and
redirection from a filelist is supported.
Here's a little snippet that provides equivalent output for the first 10
args, arg0 being the filename similar to what we are all familiar with, and
there is no such thing as %10 or %11 etc... (you'll note the immediate
variable %%i is accepted in the set of args, and if you were to run the
thing it just lists each of the args on a new line in both examples)...
@echo off
REM the cmd interpreter has only 10 args available
REM however if the shift command is used it has more
for %%i in (%0 %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9) do echo %%i
:BEGIN
if [%0] == [] goto END
echo %0
SHIFT /0
goto BEGIN
:END
Despite its limitations cmd can pretty-much be counted-on to be available to
all Windows users.
Bill
Bill Buckels
news:89525839-e520-4040...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
>No. The usual DOS idiom is %*. (Without the period. :-)
Hey, I didn't know that... I just tried it.
And you don't get the batch file name with the rest of the args. that is
cool. Thanks.
Bill
John B. Matthews
"Bill Buckels" <bbuc...@mts.net> wrote:
> "schmidtd" <schm...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:89525839-e520-4040...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
> >No. The usual DOS idiom is %*. (Without the period. :-)
>
> Hey, I didn't know that... I just tried it.
>
> And you don't get the batch file name with the rest of the args. That
> is cool. Thanks.
Excellent! I'll add something like this to go along with the bash
example:
@echo off
rem save this as ac.bat and put it into your ac directory
java -jar AppleCommander-1.3.5-ac.jar %*
Bill Buckels
"John B. Matthews" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:nospam-BE0B26....@aioe.org...
>Excellent! I'll add something like this to go along with the bash example:
Cool. And I'll eat more fish so I can remember like a shmidt:)
Bill
Bill Garber
"Bill Buckels" <bbuc...@mts.net> wrote in message news:QZeqk.29472$1N1....@newsfe07.iad...
Then you'll be a "schmidtd head"? 8>D j/k
Bill Garber from GS-Electronics
http://www.garberstreet.com
Bill Buckels
"Bill Garber" <will...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:KpWdneIs476TCDTV...@comcast.com...
>Then you'll be a "schmidtd head"? 8>D j/k
Already I can't remember schmidtd<g>
mdj
> "Bill Garber" <willy4...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:KpWdneIs476TCDTV...@comcast.com...
>
> >Then you'll be a "schmidtd head"? 8>D j/k
>
> Already I can't remember schmidtd<g>
All this schmidtd triggering is getting hysterical ...
Michael J. Mahon
/ /
_/_/ ;-)
-michael
AppleCrate II: An Apple II "blade server"!
John B. Matthews
"Michael J. Mahon" <mjm...@aol.com> wrote:
> mdj wrote:
> > On Aug 19, 10:31 am, "Bill Buckels" <bbuck...@mts.net> wrote:
> >> "Bill Garber" <willy4...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >>
> >> news:KpWdneIs476TCDTV...@comcast.com...
> >>
> >>> Then you'll be a "schmidtd head"? 8>D j/k
> >> Already I can't remember schmidtd<g>
> >
> > All this schmidtd triggering is getting hysterical ...
> ___
> / /
> _/_/ ;-)
Just a Schottky in the dark:
You should have tried harder to -/\/\/\/-
(ASCII for schematics and ye shall receive:-)
mdj
> In article <gMydnVo69pNvzzfVnZ2dnUVZ_sPin...@comcast.com>,
> "Michael J. Mahon" <mjma...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > mdj wrote:
> > > On Aug 19, 10:31 am, "Bill Buckels" <bbuck...@mts.net> wrote:
> > >> "Bill Garber" <willy4...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> > >>news:KpWdneIs476TCDTV...@comcast.com...
>
> > >>> Then you'll be a "schmidtd head"? 8>D j/k
> > >> Already I can't remember schmidtd<g>
>
> > > All this schmidtd triggering is getting hysterical ...
> > ___
> > / /
> > _/_/ ;-)
>
> Just a Schottky in the dark:
> You should have tried harder to -/\/\/\/-
> (ASCII for schematics and ye shall receive:-)
With just one more component, we'll have the capacity for relaxation,
and could wave on like a bunch of squares ...
John B. Matthews
<1ca666a1-e34a-48a2...@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
mdj <mdj...@gmail.com> wrote:
A Faraday keeps the doctor at bay:
--| >->oE |--
(That's me relaxing, supine between the plates of a large capacitor.
Notice how my hair is aligned with the field. I'm actually a little
heavier and don't really have that much hair. Would that affect my
characteristic impedance?)
Michael J. Mahon
I got a charge out of your art, and I like the way you coulomb your
hair!
BTW, I don't consider impedance being characteristic of you. ;-)
"The bun is the lowest form of wheat."
mdj
> John B. Matthews wrote:
> > In article
Absolutely. Ohm watt a joule he is! If he consumes a little more
supply from the ampere, he'll volt right over us ...
> "The bun is the lowest form of wheat."
Round these parts, it's sarcasm. We consider a pun to be its own
reword...
Michael J. Mahon
Some years back, some friends and I were discussing the correct verb
to use with "pun"--like you "tell" a joke, or "make" a rhyme.
Finally, we gleefully agreed with the suggestion that you "let" a pun.
;-)
Steven Hirsch
My wife wanted to hear a geek pun and I couldn't resistor...
Bill Garber
"Steven Hirsch" <snhi...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:Dt2dncQ0N_QtnTHV...@giganews.com...
If you keep a Usenet thread going with OT posts for
more than 10 days...........ya might be a redneck!!!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
John B. Matthews
Steven Hirsch <snhi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> mdj wrote:
> > On Aug 20, 1:12 am, "John B. Matthews" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >> In article <gMydnVo69pNvzzfVnZ2dnUVZ_sPin...@comcast.com>,
> >> "Michael J. Mahon" <mjma...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> mdj wrote:
> >>>> On Aug 19, 10:31 am, "Bill Buckels" <bbuck...@mts.net> wrote:
> >>>>> "Bill Garber" <willy4...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:KpWdneIs476TCDTV...@comcast.com...
> >>>>>> Then you'll be a "schmidtd head"? 8>D j/k
> >>>>> Already I can't remember schmidtd<g>
> >>>> All this schmidtd triggering is getting hysterical ...
> >>> ___
> >>> / /
> >>> _/_/ ;-)
> >> Just a Schottky in the dark:
> >> You should have tried harder to -/\/\/\/-
> >> (ASCII for schematics and ye shall receive:-)
> >
> > With just one more component, we'll have the capacity for relaxation,
> > and could wave on like a bunch of squares ...
>
> My wife wanted to hear a geek pun and I couldn't resistor...
Shirley you meant "couldn't -/\/\/\/-".
A woman I know wanted to join the service, but they wouldn't
--u-u-u-u--. O henry!