HOWTO->install a new scsi HD for a IIe/IIgs ?
Courtney Thomas
Where can I find out how to install a new scsi HD for both a IIe and a
IIgs ?
I'd like to request no assumptions whatever. For example, what slot
choices do I have for the controller ?
What software is required ? Where can I get it ? etc.....
Gratefully,
Courtney
Mark Cummings
> choices do I have for the controller ?
I don't know what controller you have (if any) but, I guess any slot
depending on what you are prepared to sacrifice or what other cards you
have. For example if you put an Apple High-Speed SCSI (AHS) card in a IIe in
slot 3 you won't be able to use an 80-column card in the Aux slot. If you
put it in slot 6 you cant use a disk controller in slot 6 which is default.
Of course if you dont have a SCSI controller that will be your BIG hurdle,
because they are no longer made. Only IDE controllers are available new.
SCSI fetch quite a high price 2nd hand on e-bay. Often more than you could
set up a IDE card like the Focus.
I have used my AHS card in my IIe in slot 7, that would be the "norm" as
that slot is not used by much else, also that will allow it to boot before
the 5.25" disk. Remember that on a IIe the boot sequence starts at slot 7
and works down until it finds a disk controller card, then attempts to boot
it.
I have also used my AHS card in slot 2 and slot 6 & slot 7 on a IIGS ROM-1,
and the same in a ROM-3. Using slot 6 loses the 5.25 drive in the smartport.
Using AppleTalk affects the options too.
I prefer to use slot 2 on the GS ROM-1 and "Scan" as the boot sequence,
because it allows me to boot a 3.5" floppy if I put one in the drive at
power on. If I don't put a floppy in it continues to boot the hard disk on
the AHS card.
> What software is required ? Where can I get it ? etc.....
Hard drive set up utilities (format & partitioning software) depends on your
controller card. Most cards come with software for that particular card. The
AHS comes with Apple High Speed SCSI Utilities disk. This allow you to
format and partition the HDD. Other software often works with the AHS too.
Advanced Disk Utilities (ADU) (comes with System 6.0.1 for the GS) works
with the AHS card. Chinook SCSI Utilities works too.
For a Focus card you are limited to the Focus Formatter that comes with the
card. This won't work on any other hard drives including SCSI drives.
For a Vulcan (pretty rare now) card you are limited to the Vulcan Utilities
disk to set up your drive.
For system software...
On the IIe you can put almost anything on it that you'd use on a floppy.
Probably ProSel-8 would be a good choice. This is now freeware.
On the GS you can install system 6.0.1 for your ROM-1 or ROM-3 GS (not
ROM-0). This can be obtained from http://www.a2central.com/ or download it
if you know what your doing (easier to buy though if it's your first time).
Another option that many people would use is ProSel-16, also freeware.
perhaps if you specify your controller card and what other cards in you IIe,
or GS, and what ROM version your GS is, you will get more specific reply's.
HTH,
Mark
Courtney Thomas
Thanks for your kind help.
The Apple SCSI controller is now recognized [slot 6].
Can I not format a HD [Seagate 2Gig] using ProDOS ?
Is OS6.01 the only way I can use the HD ? If yes, how do I prepare the
floppies once I have downloaded the OS onto a Mac ? Also, once I get
6.01 to boot, what is required to get the HD going. Any caveats ?
BTW, ROM 01.
Appreciatively,
Courtney
Mark Cummings
great news
>Can I not format a HD [Seagate 2Gig] using ProDOS ?
2G, phew, you started off with a huge drive. 250M-500M is plenty IMO for
most IIe's or GS's.
Before you take too much of my advice, I will point out that I have ruined
two HDDs by accidently (OK intentionally !) reformatting them on the GS
using various combinations of formatting software, and those drives have
never been usable again. One of those drives had faulty blocks and the other
did not have the right driver on it.
If you just stick to partitioning it (not low level formatting) under ADU on
system 6.0.1 you should be OK. ADU will at least be able to create enough
partitions to utilize all of the drive, and AFAIK wont delete any Mac
drivers on the HDD.
Also ProDOS can only use 32MB partitions, larger partitions will have to be
HFS. Sorry, but you can't have a 2G ProDOS partition. ProDOS-8 can only see
the first 8 partitions and this is for the latest version of ProDOS. Some
versions can only see 2 partitions. GS/OS can see many more, up to 32 per
drive I think. So your best bet is to partition X number of ProDOS
partitions and the rest HFS. on my 1.2G SCSI drive I had 7 ProDOS partitions
and a 1G HFS partition. This minimised the desktop clutter in System 6.0.1
to about 10-12 icons depending on other floppy/RAM drives. If you just use
ProDOS partitions you would have 62 partitions which GS/OS won't allow, so
you'd be wasting half your drive with 32 partitions. And 32 drive icons +
extras from floppys will make a mess on your desktop.
Although the System 6 book says you can have 32 partitions using ADU, I
could only get a maximum of 8 on my 1.2G drive, I still don't know why and
no-one has been able to help me. On my Focus card I can get a lot more and
it uses a similar program to ADU, actually looks like a modified version.
I recommend that you practice partitioning a smaller SCSI drive, like 80MB,
then setup GS/OS on that so you don't wreck your 2G drive straight away. To
get a HFS partition is a bit of a hassle too. First you partition the drive,
then format the partitions as ProDOS, then install System 6.0.1, make sure
you add the HFS.FST (BTW there is a patched version of this you should use
as the one that comes with System 6 is faulty and can mess up your HDD),
then re-boot your GS, then reformat the HFS partition as HFS instead of
ProDOS to get the full use of it. Ive done this about 20 times, so I could
probably do it blindfolded now. :)
Mark
Jonathan Adams
Revision D cards will only work in a IIgs.
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william strutts
"Mark Cummings" <fig...@primus.com.au> wrote in message
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> I recommend that you practice partitioning a smaller SCSI drive, like
80MB,
> then setup GS/OS on that so you don't wreck your 2G drive straight away.
To
> get a HFS partition is a bit of a hassle too. First you partition the
drive,
> then format the partitions as ProDOS, then install System 6.0.1, make sure
> you add the HFS.FST (BTW there is a patched version of this you should use
> as the one that comes with System 6 is faulty and can mess up your HDD),
> then re-boot your GS, then reformat the HFS partition as HFS instead of
> ProDOS to get the full use of it. Ive done this about 20 times, so I could
> probably do it blindfolded now. :)
>
> Mark
>
What patched version of HFS driver? I just got my HD working on my
IIgs with seven ProDOS partitions. Will this affect ProDOS partitions?
I have HFS loaded so that I can read Mac floppies. Is this important
to get this patched HFS driver?
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Wayne Stewart
Jonathan Adams wrote:
> If you use a RamFAST card in a IIe, it has to be revision C or earlier.
> Revision D cards will only work in a IIgs.
I've heard that but I've been using a Rev D with the 3.01-F ROMin a IIe
for the last 4 or 5 years. Especially nice with the 1mb cache.
Wayne
David Chiu
was not "won't work in file://e," but "not recommended for file://e."
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Greg Buchner
"william strutts" <wrstr...@nospam.home.com> wrote:
> What patched version of HFS driver? I just got my HD working on my
> IIgs with seven ProDOS partitions. Will this affect ProDOS partitions?
> I have HFS loaded so that I can read Mac floppies. Is this important
> to get this patched HFS driver?
There is a bug in the Sys 6.01 HFS.FST that has problems reading larger
volumes. The patch is available on Ground. If you're using it to read
Mac floppies, it shouldn't be a problem.
You also shouldn't have a problem reading HD volumes you've created
yourself with that HFS.FST. The main problem comes in reading files
(again from larger volumes, at least >64MB, maybe larger) that have been
created on a Mac or another IIGS with the patched HFS.FST.
If I remember right, when they were originally creating the HFS.FST,
they followed some example code for part of it...the example code was
incorrect.
Greg B.
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Wayne Stewart
David Chiu wrote:
> I believe the exact words used in the advertisement for Rev D at the time
> was not "won't work in file://e," but "not recommended for file://e."
The ramfast manual has a troubleshooting section for the IIgs and one for
the IIe. I wonder if the won't work on a IIe stiries I hear stem from the
ramfast
needing an enhanced IIe to work? I origionally bought my ramfasts for a
couple of IIgs but if I'd known how well they work on a IIe I would have
brought an extra for my IIe back then.
Wayne
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For the IIgs it is rather simple.
If you have the full set of GSOS 6.0.1 Floppy disc you can format, partitioning, initialisation and installation without any other needs if you have the Apple SCSI Card Rev C(not High Spoed)
If you have the high speed card you need Apple SCSI Tools 2 on a separate floppy Disk.
In both case it is not possible to create one System Boot Floppy with all needed files on it.
Including HFS.FST for large partitions, the SCSI drivers and the Advanced Hard Disk Utility
But the Apple IIgs has a wonderful RAM Disk, you can use use for the first installation.
Go to the gs console and aktivate RAM Disk (2400k)
Go to Slot configuratio and set boot device on slot 6. you force boot from Floppy.
Put in GSOS 6 install Disk and boot from.
In Installation dialog select RAM Disk as Target.
Install the system 6 in RAMDISK.
Use custom installation to add HFS.FST and Advanced Disk Utility.
After quit installation you can switch to console and configure slot boot from ram.
Reset system and reboot! Not switch off power!
Normally system 6 boots directly from RAMDISK.
If you have SCSI Card Rev C ( not high speed)
You can directly start Advanced Disk Utils and do formatting and partitioning.
If you have the high speed version. You have todo the setup from SCSI Tools 2 Disk. Reboot again ( not power off!) and start the Advanced Disk Utility tool.
If you have do partitioning successfully go to console again and change boot slot to 6
Insert Install System 6 Floppy again and install System on your 1st GDOS Partition.
If you have your SCSI Card in Slot 7 with ID you can change in console slot boot to „scan“ normally next boot is directly from your Hard Disk.
Desktop Shows all partitions including your big HFS
Best regards Thorsten