IIe Games That Don't Work on the IIgs
Tempest
my Apple IIe games on my IIgs to see which ones work and which ones
don't. I have a fair number of originals and a lot of pirated games,
so there should be a pretty good mix. I plan on testing the ones that
don't work with the built in smatport with an actual Disk II card to
see if that helps things. I'll post the results this weekend.
To help speed my testing along, does anyone have a list of games that
only work with a real Disk II card? I've heard that Karateka and Drol
are two such games, and I did get Drol working by using the card, but
Karateka still wouldn't work (both are non-originals).
Tempest
Polymorph
From memory, I could never get "Speedway Classic" running on my IIgs -
I never did work out for sure whether the game was incompatibile with
the IIgs or something else that prevented it from running (e.g. dirty
disk, etc). But I'm pretty certain the same disk worked fine in my IIe
when tested.
I'd be quite interested in your results. Presumably you will post your
findings somewhere when they're completed?
Cheers,
Mike
antoine
real IIgs with a 5"25 disk drive attached to the smartport interface of
the computer.
The programs that may not work are the ones that rely on false
microprocessor opcodes which exist for the 65c816 and not for the
65c02/6502. Some Sirius games are like that. I've been obliged to NOP
some areas to make them work on the IIgs.
And if you want to go further, list IIgs games that do not work on a ROM 3.
Good luck,
Antoine
Tempest
I couldn't get Karateka to work on my IIgs Smartport, maybe it's the
crack I have. Is the one you're using available somewhere?
I'm using a ROM 3 IIgs if that matters. If anything it should be MORE
compatible with Apple II software.
Tempest
antoine
Search that group for "Karateka: crack and b-side"
av
Kirk Mitchell
One of my favorites that I recall not working as expected was "Elite".
Kirk
Kirk Mitchell
> One of my favorites that I recall not working as expected was "Elite".
>
To clarify, on occasion, while traveling through Hyperspace, you'd get
get pulled out by ... the Nasties. On the //e, you'd fight it out
with them. On the GS, control was impossible and you'd always get
slaughtered. This was on a ROM 1 Woz Special. At least that's what I
remember from the late '80s.
Kirk
Tempest
(i.e. cracked) games with about an 90% success rate. I'll make a big
list of what worked and what didn't (and how it crashed) this
weekend. Games seem to have one of three problems:
1. They start to boot and crash to a monitor program (* prompt). This
is the most common problem.
2. The game won't boot at all with a Check Startup Device message.
This isn't nearly as common.
3. Game loads but has graphical issues (missing graphics, graphics not
updating, etc.). This is the least common
I'm hoping to test the ones that aren't working with a real disk card
to see if that fixes the problem (ala Drol). Failing that I'll try a
different crack and see if that works. Oddly enough one game that
refused to work on my IIe (Lock n Chase) works just fine on the IIgs.
I assume this is a Duo Disk issue and not a IIgs/IIe issue.
A little off topic, but does anyone have a good working .dsk image of
Lode Runner? I lost my original and the ones I can find either crash
(even on my IIe) or say they're actually a data disk. Championship
Lode Runner worked just fine so I can't see why Lode Runner wouldn't
work.
Tempest
Tempest
through, when I say I tested a game I'm just seeing if it loads up and
I can play the game for a few seconds. I'm not doing in-depth testing
that would find problems that occur in games like Elite or Sky Fox.
Tempest
Toinet
Lode Runner, Elite and Skyfox all work on a IIgs computer. Again, see
http://www.brutaldeluxe.fr/crack/
If I were you I would focus on early games, the ones using false
opcodes.
av
Tempest
> If I were you I would focus on early games, the ones using false
> opcodes.
> av
Oh I know Lode Runner works, but I just can't find a good disk image
for it.
I know that Skyfox and Elite load and seem playable on the IIgs, but I
hear they have gameplay issues that aren't obvious right away. Are
you saying the cracks available in that directory fix these issues?
I'm not focusing on any particular time period, I'm simply going
through my library of games.
Tempest
Antoine Vignau
What is your objective? 1/ Are you checking disks that do not load on the IIgs because of the smartport interface (as written in your first post) or 2/ are you checking the behaviour of programs because of either the higher speed or the different microprocessor of the IIgs?
The crack I did and uploaded to bd.fr/crack/ are working unprotected disk images of original games. All those cracks (but Kaves of Karkhan) were done on a ROM 3 IIgs and then tested with success.
My cracks there answer to point 1 but do not guarantee point 2.
Antoine
Tempest
I'm trying to do both however due to time it's mostly 1 rather than
2.
My setup is:
* ROM 3 IIGs
* Speed set to normal (IIe speed)
* 5.25 drive connected to the Smartport
* A 5.25 Disk II card (see step 3 below)
My current testing methodology is:
1. Attempt to boot the game
2. If the game boots play the game for a few moments to see if it
appears to work (no funny graphics glitches or other problems)
3. If the game fails to load I try it again with a 5.25 drive
connected to a real Disk II card
I'd like to test the games thoroughly but I just don't have the time
to play through each and every one (I've got hundreds of games to get
through).
> My cracks there answer to point 1 but do not guarantee point 2.
Hopefully your cracks will fix the bulk of the games that aren't
working. So far I've only run into a small handful of games that have
gameplay issues after they load.
* Crystal Castles - Graphics don't appear to be updated. You can see
the gems disappear where Bentley is supposed to be moving, but he
stays stationary. You can hear the rest of the game running as well
(enemies moving and such) but they don't appear on the screen. The
game is actually playing though as I managed to stumble into a warp an
go to screen 3.
* Impossible Mission - There are funny white dots that appear behind
you where you move, like the graphics aren't being updated properly.
The game seems to play alright though.
* Mr. Robot - Same problem as IM but much worse. The game is barely
playable because of the mess of graphics that end up all over the
screen.
* Night Flight - Some of the graphics don't load (only the cockpit).
No idea if the game is still playing or not because I don't know the
game, might be crashed.
Tempest
Antoine Vignau
Question: where is your Disk II controller card installed? In slot 6
and you switch from "Disk port" to "Your card" in the control panel or
is it located in another slot?
If it is in another slot, that may explain why some games do not load
or crash, programmers/crackers assume the Disk II interface *MUST
ALWAYS BE* in slot 6, ahem!
Antoine
Tempest
> OK. Thanks for the clarification.
>
> Question: where is your Disk II controller card installed? In slot 6
> and you switch from "Disk port" to "Your card" in the control panel or
> is it located in another slot?
Yes the card is located in slot 6. To use it I attach the drive to
the card, select My Card and then type PR#6 from the command prompt.
Tempest
Alex Lee
Does Sky Fox completely work on the IIGS? The cracked version I had
back in the day would always wig out when you flew into the clouds. I
think I was able to test it on a IIe and it worked fine on that, but
this was a LONG time ago.
- Alex
Tempest
I'll admit that I've never really played Sky Fox much. How do you fly
into the clouds? I'll test it tonight.
Tempest
Antoine Vignau
IIRC, there is a protection check when you reach the clouds and either
you are stuck above the clouds or the game reboots, I can't remember.
I need to check that on my crack, I missed the thing, that's for sure!
Antoine
Michael J. Mahon
Isn't there some control panel option controlling the copying of the hires
buffers to IIgs screen buffers?
-michael - NadaNet 3.1 and AppleCrate II: http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon
Antoine Vignau
it.
av
Alex Lee
> On Aug 12, 4:16 pm, Alex Lee <ale...@mac.com> wrote:
>> On 2011-08-12 16:15:13 +0100, Toinet said:
>>
>>> On 12 aoūt, 15:35, Tempest <temp...@atariprotos.com> wrote:
>>>> Also keep in mind that due to the sheer number of games I need to get
>>>> through, when I say I tested a game I'm just seeing if it loads up and
>>>> I can play the game for a few seconds. I'm not doing in-depth testing
>>>> that would find problems that occur in games like Elite or Sky Fox.
>>
>>>> Tempest
>>
>>> Lode Runner, Elite and Skyfox all work on a IIgs computer. Again, see
>>> http://www.brutaldeluxe.fr/crack/
>>> If I were you I would focus on early games, the ones using false
>>> opcodes.
>>> av
>>
>> Does Sky Fox completely work on the IIGS? The cracked version I had
>> back in the day would always wig out when you flew into the clouds. I
>> think I was able to test it on a IIe and it worked fine on that, but
>> this was a LONG time ago.
>>
>> - Alex
>
> I'll admit that I've never really played Sky Fox much. How do you fly
> into the clouds? I'll test it tonight.
Just keep the nose of the SkyFox pointed at the sky and increase
altitude. Eventually, the game mode will freeze or not. You can't
properly play the game without getting above the clouds, because you
need to take out ground targets AND enemy fighters to complete missions.
Put a blight on playing it on the IIGS, otherwise excellent game for
the Apple II.
- Alex
Tony Kavadias
Yes, but there is a minor problem with using Alternate Display Mode:
the control panel sets up an interrupt generator for the IIGS to
interrupt every vertical blanking interval to copy High-Res Page 2
from bank $00 to bank $E0, making the games "stutter". The reason for
this is because the Mega II does not shadow Page 2 text or high-
resolution Apple IIe graphics.
I have a few games that appear to "fail" on the Apple IIGS because the
games use text Page 2 for some reason--often, this is just for showing
some text so as to configure things like how many players and whether
to use joystick or keyboard, but they revert back to Page 1 high-
resolution graphics in order to play the game. I find myself enabling
Alternate Display Mode just for that period of time to read the text
display, but disabling it just to be able to play the game without
having sound generation and timing issues!
--tonza
Eric Rucker
The ROM 3 CYA's does actually fix that, but for compatibility reasons with the ROM 00/01, it's not shadowed unless you enable alternate display mode (which does NOT use the VBL interrupt-based copying method on the ROM 3.)
Tempest
success rate was rather high, and I'm confident that most of the non-
working programs can probably be fixed by finding and using a
different crack (some cracks worked while others failed). There were
only one or two showstoppers for me that would make me hold onto my
IIe, but more on that later.
As I mentioned earlier, My setup is:
* ROM 3 IIGs
* Speed set to normal (IIe speed)
* 5.25 drive connected to the Smartport
* A 5.25 Disk II card (see step 3 below)
My current testing methodology is:
1. Attempt to boot the game
2. If the game boots play the game for a few moments to see if it
appears to work (no funny graphics glitches or other problems)
3. If the game fails to load I try it again with a 5.25 drive
connected to a real Disk II card
4. Enable alternate display mode and see if that fixes anything
I'll list the games by category (works, doesn't work, works with disk
II card, works with problems, etc.) and by whether or not they
original disks or copies. So without further ado, here's the list:
Games that don't work
**************************
Originals
------------
Apple Panic
Archon (most of the graphics don't appear)
GI Joe (Crashes at the map)
Kung Fu Master
Moon Patrol
Mr. Do!
Realm of Impossibility (actually boots, but some graphics don't appear
then reboots when the game starts)
Strike Fleet (most of the graphics are missing)
Super Boulder Dash (Graphics don't appear)
The Goonies
Track & Field
Wasteland (Graphics don't appear)
Copies
---------
A.E. (Title screen graphics are missing then crashes)
Aquatron
Archon (works with a real card, but then has the same problem as the
original)
Black Magic (crashes)
Bolo (crashes)
Burgertime
Cannonball Blitz
Crazy Mazy
Crystal Castles (Brantley's graphics don't move and enemies don't
appear, but the game still plays even though you can't see anything)
Death Maze 5000
Eagle Eggs (crashes)
Exterminator
Flap & Smack (graphics don't appear)
Genesis (title screen doesn't go away, but game can be heard playing)
Gumball (Graphics are missing)
Karate Champ
Lady Tut (some cracks crash, others load but the title screen never
disappears even though the game can be heard playing)
Narnia (graphics don't appear)\
Neptune
Night Flight (Graphics are missing)
One on One (graphics don't appear)
O'Riley's Mine
Pitfall
Pitfall II
Plasmania (crashes)
Reptron
Rescue Raiders (V. 1.2)
Ruski Duck (won't load)
Shamus (title screen music never stops and eventually crashes)
Space Quarks (I think I have one crack that works)
Spy Strikes Back
Spy's Demise
Super Zaxxon
Twerps
Up N Down
Winter Games
Zorro
Games That Work With Issues
************************************
Originals
-------------
Archon II: Adept (title and option screen graphics don't appear but
works fine after that)
Arctic Antics (Some black graphics are red)
Bards Tale II (border around screen is corrupted)
Impossible Mission II (Some black graphics are red)
Legend of Black Silver (Some black graphics are red)
Rad Warrior (Some black graphics are red)
Rampage (Some black graphics are red)
Sky Fox (Can't enter clouds)
Copies
---------
Beautiful Boot (menu graphics don't appear but you can still select
games)
Mr. Robot (graphical garbage remains wherever you move, become almost
unplayable)
Impossible Mission (white dots remain wherever you move)
Games That Work With The Disk II Card
**********************************************
Copies
---------
Arcade Machine
Drol
Hardball
Robot Rascals
Seven Cities of Gold (works but then may crash, I couldn't get a game
to start)
Games That Work
*********************
Originals
------------
All Infocom Games
All Sierra Games
AD&D: Champions of Krynn
AD&D: Curse of the Azure Bonds
AD&D: Pool of Radiance
AD&D: War of the Lance
Adventure Construction Set
Age of Adventure
Airheart
Aliens
Alternate Reality: The Dungeon
Amnesia
Arkanoid
Bards Tale
Bards Tale II (see above)
Bards Tale III
Battle Chess
Battlezone
Board Games (Keypunch software)
Captain Power
Centauri Alliance (has a IIgs speed up mode option)
Centipede
Chess Master 2100
Commando
Crossbow
Dark Heart of Uukrul
Deathsword
Deep Space
Defender
Dig Dug
Dondra: A New Beginning
Donkey Kong
Dragon Wars
Dragons Eye
Eternal Dagger
Frogger (Main Street publishing)
Galaxian
Gauntlet
Gemstone Warrior
Gremlins
Hacker
Ikari Warriors
Infiltrator II
Joust
Jungle Hunt
Kings Bounty
Knights of Legend
LA Crackdown
Last Ninja
Lords of Conquest
Maniac Mansion (has some slight color issues on the title screen)
Monsters and Make Believe
Ms. Pac-Man
Music Construction Set
Pac-Man
Phantasie II
Pinball Construction Set (EA version)
Pipe Dream
Platoon
Prince of Persia
Realms of Darkness
Robotron: 2084
Scrabble
Stargate
Tangled Tales
Tass Times in Tonetown
Temple of Apshai Trilogy
The Movie Monster
Times of Lore
Toy Shop
Ultima I (Ultima Trilogy Version)
Ultima II (Ultima Trilogy Version)
Ultima III (Ultima Trilogy Version)
Ultima IV
Ultima V
Vegas Video Poker
Viper Patrol
Where in the World Is Carmen Sandiego?
Where in Time is Carmen Sandiego?
Wings of Fury
Wizards Crown
Xevious
Copies
----------
All Scott Adams Adventures
All Sierra Hi-Res Adventures
3-D Skiings
Adventure
Alcazar: The Forgotten Fortress
Ancient Art of War
Ancient Art of War at Sea
Apple at Play
Apple Cider Spider
Apple Panic
Asteroid Field
Auto Duel
Axis Assassin
B.C.'s Quest For Tires
Bandits
Bats in the Belfry
Beach Head
Beer Run
Bellhop
Berzap
Beyond Castle Wolfenstein
Blister Ball
Bouncing Kamungas
Bruce Lee
Bubble Bobble
Buck Rogers
California Games
California Raisins
Captain Goodknight
Castle Smurenstein
Castle Wolfenstein
Cavern Creatures
Choplifter
Chrono Warrior
Conan
Congo Bongo
County Carnival
Crisis Mountain
Crossfire
Cubit
Cyberstrike
Cyclod
Cyclotron
Deep Water
Defender
Diamond Mine
Dig Dug
Dino Eggs
Dino Smurf
Dino Smurf
Dog Fight
Dr. Dracupig
Dragon Fire
Dragons Keep
Draw Poker
Drelbs
Dueling Digits
Dung Beetles
Eamon
Evolution
Fahrenheit 451
Falcons
Family Feud
Fire Bug
Fishies
Frogger II
Gamma Goblins
Gemstone Healer
Genetic Drift
Ghostbusters
Gobbler
Gremlins
Hacker
Halloween
Hard Hat Mack
Head On
Howitzer I & II
Jawbreaker
Jawbreaker II
Jeopardy
Jump Jet
Jumpman
Jungle Hunt
Karateka
Kid Nikki
Klan Cookout
Knight Orc
Labyrinth
Labyrinth (Lucasarts)
Little Computer People
Lock n Chase
Lode Runner II
Lost Tomb
Lost Tomb
Mad Bomber
Marble Madness
Mario Bros.
Masquerade
Microsoft Olympic Decathlon
Midnight Magic
Millionware
Miner 2049er
Miniature Golf
Minrer 2049er II
Missiles Defense
Monopoly
Montezuma's Revenge
Mouse Attack
Mr. Cool
Mutants
Neutrons
Night Crawler
Night Mission
Number Munchers
Oil's Well
Oregon Trail
Out World
Outpost
Pac-Man
Pengo
Pick a Dilly Pair
Pick n Pile
Pinball Construction Set (Budge Co)
Pirates
Pooyan
Pornopoly
Puck Man 2
Quest For The Holy Grail (Superior Software)
Raster Blaster
Renegade
Roach Hotel
Road Block
Run For The Money
Sabotage
Sammy Lightfoot
Sea Fox
Serpentine
Sheila
Snack Attack
Sneakers
South Pacific Quest
Space Eggs
Space Raiders
Spy Hunter
Spy vs Spy
Spy vs Spy II
Stellar 7
Summer Games
Summer Games II
Sun Dog: Frozen Legacy
Super Bunny
Super Password
Swashbuckler
Taipan
Talon
Tapper
The Games: Summer Edition
The Games: Winter Edition
The Heist
Thief
Threshold
Track Attack
Trivia Arcade
Trivia Buff
Trolls and Tribulations
Tsunami
Tube Way
Twerps
Victory Road
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
World Games
Zoo Master
Zork I
Zork II
Zork III
Tempest
Goonies
Mr. Do
Wasteland
Archon
Realm of Impossibility
Rescue Raiders
Mr. Robot
I'd really like to get working versions of these games. The rest I
could live without, but these are some of my favorites (especially
Wasteland!). I'm going to start looking for working cracks of all the
games I listed as not working and post my findings.
I hope this information is helpful to everyone and I hope people will
add to the list.
Tempest
Antoine Vignau
av
nyder
> So in the end the only real deal breakers for me were:
>
what we need is a new IIgs version.
grab the sounds from the C64 version
graphics of the EGA DOS version
and somehow hack into the Apple II version
and of course, make it all work!
But seriously, I love that game. Haven't played it since the 80's or
90's probably.
Tempest
The emulators don't do this, only the real hardware. It's also not
all the black graphics, only some (like the building tops in
Rampage). It's very odd.
Tempest
Tempest
A.E. - Found a crack that gets past the title screen (with graphics)
but the game reboots and crashes
Arcade Machine - Found working crack (is this game one or two sided?)
Cannonball Blitz - Found a working crack, but the graphics don't
update so the game is unplayable
Rescue Raiders - The crack I had was actually working, but the little
Sir Tech intro doesn't display. The game starts after that but
crashes as soon as the game screen with the helicopter is shown.
Might version 1.3 fix this? I can't find a .dsk file for it.
Robot Rascals - Found working crack
Wasteland - I found a way to get the game working. You need to make
copies using the games built in utility from a real set of disks, then
use the Wasteland Boot disk found in the asimov archive to boot the
game. When the game prompts you to insert your play disks, use the
disks you made earlier. Oddly the play disks in the archive or disks
I made from the boot master wouldn't work, only the ones I made from
the real disks.
Zorro - Found working crack (Zorro alt 3)
Star Blazer - Found working crack
Mr. Do - Found working crack
Spy's Demise - Found working Crack
Shamus - Found working Crack
Impossible Mission - Found a crack that didn't have the graphics issue
Repton - Found a working crack
Moon Patrol - Found working crack
Super Boulder Dash - Found working crack
Russki Duck - Found working crack
Realm of Impossibility - No luck with the crack in the archive, but I
found this note on a webpage that leads me to believe it's possible:
Jack R. Nissel (COMPUTIST #56, page 20):
Realm of Impossibility DOES work on the Ilgs,
it’s EA’s protection routine that does not. See
COMPUTIST #50, page 20 and also
COMPUTIST #49, page 16 for infomtation on
how this is done. A salesman friend has asked
me to crack several EA programs for him
because a customer couldn’t get them to run on
a Hgs. However, the cracked versions run just
fine. Keep in mind: there is a second disk check
at $569 (and $5F8 or $5FE) that should be
looked into. Some of the EA programs need the
JMP $569 to shut the disk drive off at the end
of a disk read, so I edit the calls to $5F8 (or
$5FE)
Antoine Vignau
works above the cloud ;-)
Crack info @ http://www.hackzapple.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2820
Crack image @ http://www.brutaldeluxe.fr/crack/SKYFOX_really_cracked.rar
Antoine
Tempest
It crashes at the title screen on my IIgs. Seems to work on my IIe
though.
Tempest
Charlie
> On Aug 13, 6:45 pm, Antoine Vignau<antoine.vig...@laposte.net> wrote:
>> There is: Alternate Display Mode. It shadows text page 2 and displays
>> it.
>> av
>
> Yes, but there is a minor problem with using Alternate Display Mode:
> the control panel sets up an interrupt generator for the IIGS to
> interrupt every vertical blanking interval to copy High-Res Page 2
> from bank $00 to bank $E0, making the games "stutter". The reason for
> this is because the Mega II does not shadow Page 2 text or high-
> resolution Apple IIe graphics.
I've never heard that High-Res Page2 wasn't shadowed. It displays fine
on my ROM 01 GS with Alternate Display Mode OFF. TEXT Page 2 doesn't.
There is even a register ($C035 bit 2) to turn on/off hires2 shadow.
> I have a few games that appear to "fail" on the Apple IIGS because the
> games use text Page 2 for some reason--often, this is just for showing
> some text so as to configure things like how many players and whether
> to use joystick or keyboard, but they revert back to Page 1 high-
> resolution graphics in order to play the game. I find myself enabling
> Alternate Display Mode just for that period of time to read the text
> display, but disabling it just to be able to play the game without
> having sound generation and timing issues!
>
> --tonza
Is it possible that what you are seeing is caused just by the Alternate
Display Mode interrupting for Page 2 text even when it isn't being
displayed?
Charlie
Tempest
1. Why do some games crap out on boot and say "Not a Startup Disk"
with the little sliding apple graphic?
2. Why do some games show a red color where it should be black. Not
all the black graphics, just some parts of the black graphics?
3. Why do some games not show all the graphics? You can hear them
playing, but half of the graphics are missing or not being updated.
Is there a way to fix any of these problems?
Tempest
Tempest
IIgs.
Tempest
Antoine Vignau
80-col mode?
Antoine
Tempest
Yes I do, but doesn't my IIe also boot in 80 Column mode? Could that
be causing problems?
Tempest
Tempest
Magic and Might & Magic II to the list of original games that work
(just found my originals).
Tempest
Alex Lee
I'm still reading. This list is really comprehensive. Great work!
- Alex
Antoine Vignau
>
> I'm still reading. This list is really comprehensive. Great work!
>
> - Alex
+1
Tempest
them. Only one more to add for now:
Copy of Star Warrior (by Epyx) works just fine.
Now if only we could get some of those non-working ones working
(especially those EA games) or fix that red/black issue. Still, I'm
happy with the percentage of games that do work.
Tempest
sicklittlemonkey
Very interesting. I'll compare your lists to any games I've looked at
for emulation problems in the past.
Hopefully a resident GS expert can have a look at the red/black
issue ... is this some black1/black2 palette issue? You could "visit
the monitor" whilst in the game to test that theory. All my II's are
in storage unfortunately.
Cheers,
Nick.
Tempest
> Hopefully a resident GS expert can have a look at the red/black
> issue ... is this some black1/black2 palette issue? You could "visit
> the monitor" whilst in the game to test that theory. All my II's are
> in storage unfortunately.
>
Antoine Vignau
What are your Display settings in the control panel? Set to Default
or...?
Antoine
Tempest
I'll have to check tonight but I believe I have it set to 80 columns
with a black border.
Tempest
80 Columns
Black Border
Black Background
It's not set to default because I find the blue hard on the eyes and
most Apple II games used a black background which looks silly with a
blue border.
Tempest
magnusfalkirk
made any difference? It might be something that simple that is causing
your problem.
Dean
Tempest
Antoine Vignau
Do not boot a 6502-only, I'm pretty sure it won't boot (Lady Tut,
Sirius games)
Antoine
Tempest
Black issue. I'll re-try some of the games that weren't working in 40
column mode tomorrow.
I'm not sure what you mean by not booting a 6502 only.
Tempest
about everything works now! Even Beautiful Boot works, which makes
things much easier.
Games That Work With 40-Columns
------------------------------------------------
Originals
-----------
Apple Panic
Archon
Archon II
GI Joe
Kung Fu Master
Goonies
Realm of Impossibility
Strike Fleet
Super Boulder Dash
Track and Field
Wasteland (no need for the funny boot disk)
Copies
======
Aquatron
Archon
Black Magic
Crystal Castles
Eagle Eggs
Flap & Smack
Gumball
Lady Tut
Narnia
Neptune
Night Flight
Pitfall II
Repton
Rescue Raiders
Ruski Duck
Sky Fox
Spy's Demise
Spy Strike Back
Super Zaxxon
Up N Down
AE, Mr. Do (original), Moon Patrol (original), Twerps, Burgertime, and
Cannonball Blitz still don't work. I'm fairly certain that if I play
with some of the alternate cracks that AE and Cannonball Blitz will
work. I'll try that later.
So basically 99.9% of the games work now. I'm really happy with the
results of my testing.
Tempest
Antoine Vignau
Antoine
Tempest
> What a great surprize ;-)
> Antoine
I still find it odd that the IIgs 80 column mode was the cause of all
the problems, but I suppose it's a bit different than having an 80
column card in a IIe. I'm sure there's a long winded technical
explanation that I won't understand anyway. ;)
The red/black bug still bothers me though. 40 column mode didn't fix
that.
Some originals still don't work (Mr. Do, Moon Patrol, Drol, etc.) but
much like the Rom 01/3 compatibility issue, as long as there's a crack
that works I'll be happy. I'll post an updated list only what doesn't
work and keep updating that as I find new things. A list of things
that DO work is too unwieldy to manage. :)
Tempest
Antoine Vignau
> On Sep 11, 4:16 am, Antoine Vignau <antoine.vig...@laposte.net> wrote:
>
> > What a great surprize ;-)
> > Antoine
>
> I still find it odd that the IIgs 80 column mode was the cause of all
> the problems, but I suppose it's a bit different than having an 80
> column card in a IIe. I'm sure there's a long winded technical
> explanation that I won't understand anyway. ;)
IIgs.
>
> The red/black bug still bothers me though. 40 column mode didn't fix
> that.
>
> Some originals still don't work (Mr. Do, Moon Patrol, Drol, etc.) but
> much like the Rom 01/3 compatibility issue, as long as there's a crack
> that works I'll be happy.
lunar base for the same price. Still and always available at
http://www.brutaldeluxe.fr/crack/
> I'll post an updated list only what doesn't
> work and keep updating that as I find new things. A list of things
> that DO work is too unwieldy to manage. :)
>
> Tempest
Antoine
Tempest
> > that.
>
> Apart from some Electronic Arts programs, which behave as described?
Arctic Antics
Impossible Mission II
Legend of Black Silver
Rad Warrior
Rampage
Tempest
=========================
Originals
-------------
Moon Patrol
Mr. Do!
Copies
---------
Burgertime (both the Joystick and Keyboard versions)
Drol
One on One
vladitx
> Games that don't work on the IIgs
> =========================
>
> Originals
> -------------
> Moon Patrol
http://www.bootzero.com/video/4.html
So I guess the original 5.25" disk must've been working, too.
Have you tried with both IIgs' on-board and controller in slot #6?
Tempest
that it uses an illegal opcode which wouldn't be solved by using a
disk card.
Speaking of games that need a disk card, is there a crack of Drol that
works without the card?
Tempest
Tempest
on the IIgs! So that's another one down.
Burgertime still stumps me. I had this on my IIe back in the day
(the Freeze crack with the joystick) and it worked just fine then, but
now when I try it on either my IIe or IIgs it crashes right after the
crack screen. Any ideas? It's not just the file from Asimov, my copy
that used to work does the same thing!
One on One I could live without. I never thought it was all that
great of a game. I'm sure the crack to get it to work on the IIgs
would be welcomed by some, but it's nothing I'd get excited over.
Tempest
N.N. Thayer
> Burgertime still stumps me. I had this on my IIe back in the day
> (the Freeze crack with the joystick) and it worked just fine then, but
> now when I try it on either my IIe or IIgs it crashes right after the
> crack screen. Any ideas? It's not just the file from Asimov, my copy
> that used to work does the same thing!
only run on my dad's II+, never on my Laser 128EX.
N.N. Thayer
Apple IIe (original) - 6502
Apple IIe (enhanced/platinum) - 65C02
Laser 128EX - 65C02
Apple IIGS - 65C816
Hmmmmmmmmmm.....
Tempest
thing that' changed about my IIe setup is that I'm using a DuoDisk
instead of two 5.25" drives. I can't believe that has anything to do
with it.
Tempest
David Griffith
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David Griffith
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