Will someone please send me STM
Karl Thomas
(the Apple2 emulator). I'll name my first born son after you, I'm
desperate. I want to play Karateka once again. I've tried downloading
it four times but it doesn't work. I've used binary to transfer (both
ftp and kermit) it but my MacBinary translator won't recognize it.
Eric Shepherd
Sorry for typos... I'm on a new terminal and my system isn't set up
right for it yet. :)
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Scott M. Rogala
: I seriously doubt Karaeteka will work on STM.
Why? I haven't found anything that doesn't work with STM except Copy ][+.
It emulates beautifully.
: Sorry for typos... I'm on a new terminal and my system isn't set up
: right for it yet. :)
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Ian Schmidt
>I seriously doubt Karaeteka will work on STM.
It works fine, but it's unplayably slow on an LC III.
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kevin a. hendrickson
>I seriously doubt Karaeteka will work on STM.
Wanna put any money on that? :-)
Works fine for me.
>Sorry for typos... I'm on a new terminal and my system isn't set up
>right for it yet. :)
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Eric Shepherd
Nathan Mates
Eric Shepherd <uer...@mcl.ucsb.edu> wrote:
>I was just guessing that a copy-protected game wouldn't load right.
You think these folks are actually uploading the copy-protected
versions of things when they can get around it? Sorry, but you must
have a higher opinion of them than I. :) (Btw, there exist versions
of Lode Runner which had the copy protection removed....)
Nathan Mates
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>
Not only does it work, it works amazingly well. It's sound is complex
enough though, to make it the only Apple II program I have used on
STM so far that has a few clicks in the sound. The best thing about
running Karateka on STM, in my opinion, is running it at high speed.
It seems to average about 2.5Mhz on my Centris 650. Those little blue
guys sure kick fast!
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Ian Schmidt
>Not only does it work, it works amazingly well. It's sound is complex
>enough though, to make it the only Apple II program I have used on
>STM so far that has a few clicks in the sound. The best thing about
>running Karateka on STM, in my opinion, is running it at high speed.
>It seems to average about 2.5Mhz on my Centris 650. Those little blue
>guys sure kick fast!
Yeah, but my ZipGSX runs it at 7 Mhz ;-)
Khym Mahn
Nathan Mates <nat...@cco.caltech.edu> wrote:
> You think these folks are actually uploading the copy-protected
>versions of things when they can get around it? Sorry, but you must
>have a higher opinion of them than I. :) (Btw, there exist versions
>of Lode Runner which had the copy protection removed....)
Heh, the emulator also includes the Autostart ROM and the DOS 3.3
System Master, both still copyrighted by Apple. Heck, Apple is _still_
licensing DOS 3.3! (eew! :-) I suppose if they licensed DOS 3.3, it'd
be OK to distribute, but I really have doubts about including the ROM.
The other emulators I've seen make you get the ROM from a real Apple II.
However, the thing does run pretty fast (Quadra 650). It claims to get
about 2.6MHz, although for some reason, it seems a bit slower than an
unaccellerated GS. Slow video, maybe... BTW:
]CALL-151
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doesn't seem to do anything. Doesn't flash the screen or anything...
Also, how do you install a lowercase character generator and shift key
mod in this thing? :-)
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Khym Mahn
Sheldon Simms <she...@netcom.com> wrote:
>Not only does it work, it works amazingly well. It's sound is complex
>enough though, to make it the only Apple II program I have used on
>STM so far that has a few clicks in the sound. The best thing about
Hmm, APPLEVISION clicks a lot when I run it at 1MHz, and if I don't
limit the speed, it skips a lot of notes. I do have an AppleShare file
server running in the background, but it's idle...
Kevin Lund
>
> ]CALL-151
>
> *300:AD 55 C0 AD 54 C0 4C 3 0 N 300G
>
Yeah, well, it's only at v0.851...but seriously, whatever graphics mode
is in
effect at refresh time is considered to be in effect for the entire
screen.
I'm seriously considering recording mode change times by scan line, which
would give you basic screen-splitting capability, but the fractional-line
splits which this code uses are probably out of the question...
> doesn't seem to do anything. Doesn't flash the screen or anything...
>
> Also, how do you install a lowercase character generator and shift key
> mod in this thing? :-)
Hmm, I had a gut feeling that the shift-key mod involved tying the state
of the
shift key to button #3. I never verified this, but I went ahead and put
that
control in anyway. So if that is really how it was supposed to work, the
mod
is in already...
Jay Krell
> of the shift key to button #3.
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Sheldon Simms
>In article <2q77u7$s...@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>,
>Eric Shepherd <uer...@mcl.ucsb.edu> wrote:
>>I was just guessing that a copy-protected game wouldn't load right.
>
> You think these folks are actually uploading the copy-protected
>versions of things when they can get around it? Sorry, but you must
>have a higher opinion of them than I. :)
Sure it's cracked, but not pirated. (at least for me)
fishe...@cobra.uni.edu
y'know, this being the Apple II group and all, I think I have the
perfect solution for you!
***buy a used Apple!!!***
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Jim Nitchals
>Yeah, I smell real illegalities here, but I suspect that Nitchals and co have
>inadvertantly adopted the same attitude as Apple Inc about the A2: They Just
>Don't Care.
I've personally spent a great deal of time and money contacting authors
and acquiring rights to their Apple II programs in conjunction with a
future release of STM. In the meantime, STM is Kevin's property, and
the FTP site is his. I am not responsible for STM or its distribution,
nor for the arrangement of the FTP site. However, I can state with
confidence that the use of the software on cassandra is strictly for
testing compatibility wtih STM, a fair use if I ever heard one for
programs no longer being viably marketed or sold in any way.
In addition, I have already opened discussions with fellow employees
at Apple Computer to secure legal rights for Kevin to use the Apple II
ROM images. The System Disk images are available for $50/year each,
and next week I'll personally walk over to the licensing department
and plunk down $100 to cover the STM disk images for another year.
What Kevin has provided to the Apple II community already, and what
we plan to provide in commercial form, are and will be of great value.
In some cases, I have already succeeded in securing rights where the
author himself did not know how to proceed due to confusion about the
publisher's remaining rights. That's right: the authors themselves
did not know who had the publication rights to their own product.
In other cases, the author hadn't even realized that their agreement
had lapsed, and that they owned all the rights themselves. With
such widespread lack of interest in the Apple II programs they wrote,
I hope it'll be clear that our efforts are bringing those programs
back into availability, and without our efforts they would have died.
My name recognition among the old Apple II programming community
has helped, too. I've been more successful with the majority of
programmers who remembered me than with those who didn't, but they
were *all*, without exception, grateful for my efforts.
You accuse me of a "Just Don't Care" attitude. That hurts.
If you had a shred of concern for the interest of Apple Computer Inc.,
the Apple II community, or the countless authors who made the Apple II
great, you'd be discouraging the "Hey D00D, where's that FTP site
that has that cool copy of Karateka?!" messages, and encouraging our
efforts to test and debug STM.
>Hmm, I've managed to hit nearly 900 khz once or twice (LC III 4/80, 8-bit
>video), but in general it doesn't make it above 400, and the sound is
>absolutely horrific (bee-eee-eee-eee-eep...get the picture? :)
Performance points on an LC III are useful information. I only have
a Mac II, a Mac IIfx, and an LCII to test with; Kevin uses a IIsi.
My expertise is in software optimization, and there have been substantial
improvements to the emulator that haven't shown up in public releases
yet.
>Forget that, I wanna stick in a TransWarp, Phasor, and my DataLink 2400 ;)
Maybe in a PowerPC version :)
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Help please.
In article <2qbt7c$n...@news.iastate.edu>, irs...@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt) writes:
> In article <2q8ree$1...@ivy.bga.com> kh...@bga.com (Khym Mahn) writes:
>
>>Heh, the emulator also includes the Autostart ROM and the DOS 3.3
>>System Master, both still copyrighted by Apple. Heck, Apple is _still_
>>licensing DOS 3.3! (eew! :-) I suppose if they licensed DOS 3.3, it'd
>>be OK to distribute, but I really have doubts about including the ROM.
>>The other emulators I've seen make you get the ROM from a real Apple II.
>
> inadvertantly adopted the same attitude as Apple Inc about the A2: They Just
> Don't Care.
>
>>about 2.6MHz, although for some reason, it seems a bit slower than an
>>unaccellerated GS. Slow video, maybe... BTW:
>
> video), but in general it doesn't make it above 400, and the sound is
> absolutely horrific (bee-eee-eee-eee-eep...get the picture? :)
>
>>
>>*300:AD 55 C0 AD 54 C0 4C 3 0 N 300G
>>
>>doesn't seem to do anything. Doesn't flash the screen or anything...
>
> expected.
>
>>Also, how do you install a lowercase character generator and shift key
>>mod in this thing? :-)
>
>
Chris Deschu
Hey, did you find a patch for it or something? The last time I tried
to boot Karateka on my //gs (ROM01), it died horribly. Thanks, that
was a cool game...
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>Hey, did you find a patch for it or something? The last time I tried
>to boot Karateka on my //gs (ROM01), it died horribly. Thanks, that
>was a cool game...
I haven't played it in a while, but the cracked copy I used to have worked.
Paul A Hagstrom
> >]CALL-151
> >
> >*300:AD 55 C0 AD 54 C0 4C 3 0 N 300G
> >
> >doesn't seem to do anything. Doesn't flash the screen or anything...
That's because you're JMP'ing to $0003 not $0300.
-Paul Hagstrom
hags...@mit.edu
Khym Mahn
Paul A Hagstrom <hags...@athena.mit.edu> wrote:
>In article <2qbt7c$n...@news.iastate.edu> irs...@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt) writes:
>
>> >]CALL-151
>> >
>> >*300:AD 55 C0 AD 54 C0 4C 3 0 N 300G
>> >
>> >doesn't seem to do anything. Doesn't flash the screen or anything...
>
>That's because you're JMP'ing to $0003 not $0300.
Oh yeah :) I meant 4c 0 3 :)
BTW, watch your attributions... I wrote the assembly deal, not Ian...
Karl Thomas
>***buy a used Apple!!!***
I have //e and a //e card for Mac LCII. I have no use for either except
for games. I don't want to keep the //e hogging up desk space and I've
replaced the //e card with an accelerator. Anyway, I've got STM and I've
successfully transferred most of the files to my Mac.
It seems that you don't think this was an appropriate place to post the
message. Have you ever thought how many people are now using Apple //
software on other platforms -- the //e card, as well as software
emulators for both Macs and PC's?
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> FISHE...@COBRA.UNI.EDU
Ian Schmidt
>Heh, the emulator also includes the Autostart ROM and the DOS 3.3
>System Master, both still copyrighted by Apple. Heck, Apple is _still_
>licensing DOS 3.3! (eew! :-) I suppose if they licensed DOS 3.3, it'd
>be OK to distribute, but I really have doubts about including the ROM.
>The other emulators I've seen make you get the ROM from a real Apple II.
Yeah, I smell real illegalities here, but I suspect that Nitchals and co have
inadvertantly adopted the same attitude as Apple Inc about the A2: They Just
Don't Care.
>However, the thing does run pretty fast (Quadra 650). It claims to get
>about 2.6MHz, although for some reason, it seems a bit slower than an
>unaccellerated GS. Slow video, maybe... BTW:
Hmm, I've managed to hit nearly 900 khz once or twice (LC III 4/80, 8-bit
video), but in general it doesn't make it above 400, and the sound is
absolutely horrific (bee-eee-eee-eee-eep...get the picture? :)
>]CALL-151
>
>*300:AD 55 C0 AD 54 C0 4C 3 0 N 300G
>
>doesn't seem to do anything. Doesn't flash the screen or anything...
Hmm, have to try that...poking around the switches manually seemed to work as
expected.
>Also, how do you install a lowercase character generator and shift key
>mod in this thing? :-)
Forget that, I wanna stick in a TransWarp, Phasor, and my DataLink 2400 ;)
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> > Hmm, I had a gut feeling that the shift-key mod involved tying the state
> > of the shift key to button #3.
>
> Yep, I think that is correct.
Curious that this is what unfreezes Serpentine; I thought it was rather
unlikely that a key which the ][+ couldn't even recognize would have that
effect, but I have a glimmering now as to how it might be possible (though
still no clue why Serp. might freeze).
-Paul Hagstrom
hags...@mit.edu
Kent Radek
>In article <sheldonC...@netcom.com> she...@netcom.com (Sheldon Simms) writes:
>>It seems to average about 2.5Mhz on my Centris 650. Those little blue
>>guys sure kick fast!
>Yeah, but my ZipGSX runs it at 7 Mhz ;-)
And my Power Mac runs it at a blazing 0.5 MHz... :)
Can someone refresh my memory on the ftp location of STM 0.85? I have 0.82,
but I forgot where I picked it up...
goo
Mitchell Spector
>In article <1994May7.0...@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cde...@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Chris Deschu) writes:
>
>>Hey, did you find a patch for it or something? The last time I tried
>>to boot Karateka on my //gs (ROM01), it died horribly. Thanks, that
>>was a cool game...
>
>I haven't played it in a while, but the cracked copy I used to have worked.
I've never been able to get "Karateka" to boot from my ROM 01 or
ROM 3, but I was successful when I tried it from a ROM 00 GS. I should point
out though, that the ROM 00 had an old Disk ][ drive connected via the a
20-pin controller card (not the Apple 5.25 through the GS's Smartport). In
fact I'm positive it's just a smartport incompatibility problem since the
very same copy of "Karateka" refused to load on my old Apple //c! Works just
fine on my Apple ][ and ][+ machines, though I think I'll go see what
happens running it from my Apple //e with DuoDisk (simular enough to the
Apple 5.25, though again I think it's the smartport on the //c and IIgs).
A couple of games dislike the smartport, "Drol" comes to mind...
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Mitchell Spector
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> In article <2q8kil$m...@news.iastate.edu>,
> Hey, did you find a patch for it or something? The last time I tried
> to boot Karateka on my //gs (ROM01), it died horribly. Thanks, that
> was a cool game...
Disk II controller cards. I also have a cracked version which boots on anything
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Chris Deschu <cde...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> wrote:
>
>Hey, did you find a patch for it or something? The last time I tried
>to boot Karateka on my //gs (ROM01), it died horribly. Thanks, that
>was a cool game...
Interesting, I picked up a boxed copy at a trade show for $2, and
it booted and played fine on my ROM 01. This leads me to believe that
there was more than one version (or more than one kind of copy protection).
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>In article <1994May7.0...@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
>Chris Deschu <cde...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> wrote:
>>Hey, did you find a patch for it or something? The last time I tried
>>to boot Karateka on my //gs (ROM01), it died horribly. Thanks, that
> Interesting, I picked up a boxed copy at a trade show for $2, and
>it booted and played fine on my ROM 01. This leads me to believe that
>there was more than one version (or more than one kind of copy protection).
There were something like 6 versions of the game. You never kow what
you'll get. Of course, the best thing about Karateka, like all ofhter II
software, is that it san be had for $2. I've gambled that away in 2
seconds in Atlantic City and have nothing to show for it. Spend $2
on Karateka and at least you get to keep the box. :)
Joel Schmidt
No. I think something was wrong with his copy of Karateka (not the copy
protection either). I love that game and when I realized it would work on my
IIgs, I was so happy. I spent 5 minutes playing with mo problems at all on an
Apple IIc external drive.
Joel Schmidt, please address E-Mail as follows,
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David Empson
Grover Thomas <gro...@emunix.emich.edu> wrote:
> In article <1994May7.0...@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
> Chris Deschu <cde...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> wrote:
> >
> >Hey, did you find a patch for it or something? The last time I tried
> >to boot Karateka on my //gs (ROM01), it died horribly. Thanks, that
> >was a cool game...
>
> Interesting, I picked up a boxed copy at a trade show for $2, and
> it booted and played fine on my ROM 01. This leads me to believe that
> there was more than one version (or more than one kind of copy protection).
I have heard that it is only the cracked version of Karateka which has
a problem.
The problem is that on every disk access, Karateka takes a copy of the
ROM from the Disk II controller card and patches it. It then uses the
patched copy to do the disk I/O. The resulting code crashes on the
IIc and IIgs because the routines in the firmware are in a slightly
different location.
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