AppleTalk on IIGS - Questions...
Jeff Thomas
Apple IIGS and Macintosh using AppleTalk? Is AppleTalk support built-in
on IIGS? Apart from the AppleTalk connectors, what is required in terms
of software on either end?
Also, is there frequently asked questions (faq) about networking using
AppleTalk on Apple IIGS on internet with steps for setting up and
running one?
For exchanging files, is it quicker than "PC Exchange" or "Apple File
Exchange" reading/writing to 3.5" 800kb ProDOS disks with Macintosh?
Would it avoid the resource folk, by directly copying it from the 3.5"
disk to IIGS on the network?
Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Lyle Syverson
> Also, is there frequently asked questions (faq) about networking using
> AppleTalk on Apple IIGS on internet with steps for setting up and
> running one?
For information on networking the IIgs <--> Mac via Appletalk see the
November 2002 issue of _The Lamp!_ at: http://lamp.a2central.com/
Select from the files named TLMP0211
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Jeff Thomas
Using your link, it keeps going to:
http://lamp.a2central.com/GeneratedItems/CSScriptLib.js
and generates this message:
"Not Found
The requested URL /GeneratedItems/CSScriptLib.js was not found on this
server.
Apache/1.3.27 Server at lamp.a2central.com Port 80"
Any idea what could be wrong?
Thanks...
Frank Townsend
http://www.syndicomm.com/~a2.ryan/The_Lamp/Text/2002/TLMP0211.TXT
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Dave Althoff Jr
: Has anyone successfully managed to share files over network between
: Apple IIGS and Macintosh using AppleTalk? Is AppleTalk support built-in
: on IIGS? Apart from the AppleTalk connectors, what is required in terms
: of software on either end?
AppleTalk support is sort of built in to the IIgs. It's fully implemented
in GS/OS...there are some software layer bits that have to be installed to
make it work, and GS/OS will take care of that for you. You do need to
set the Control Panel settings to enable AppleTalk.
I have my system set up as follows:
Apple IIgs running GS/OS 6.0.1
Mac LC-III running MacOS 7.something
Mac G4 running OS-X.2.6
Apple IIgs connected via PhoneNet to Mac LC-III
Mac LC-III running LocalTalk Bridge (available via download from Apple)
Mac LC-III connected to Ethernet hub
Mac G4 connected to Ethernet hub
AppleTalk is enabled on the G4. The G4 can see both the LC-III and the
IIgs, but of course there is no server for the IIgs. Also, while the IIgs
can see a shared directory on the G4, it cannot write successfully to it.
For my file sharing, I use the LC-III as a file server visible to both the
G4 and the IIgs.
There are some annoyances, most particularly that I can't get the G4 to
automagically mount the server on startup, though GS/OS does it very
nicely. That, and neither OS-X nor GS/OS sets filetypes correctly on the
server, though OS-X can be told to ignore filetype, and I have File-a-Trix
on the IIgs to fix 'em there. Understandable, since MacOS, ProDOS, and
OS-X all have different filetype specs.
I find that file transfers between the IIgs and the LC-III are almost as
fast as between the IIgs and its hard drive.
Now, if anybody knows how I could telnet into my G4 via Appletalk.....
--Dave Althoff, ][
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ground.ecn AppleII Librarian
Dave Althoff Jr <dal...@gcfn.org> wrote:
>
>I have my system set up as follows:
>
>Apple IIgs running GS/OS 6.0.1
>Mac LC-III running MacOS 7.something
>Mac G4 running OS-X.2.6
>
>Apple IIgs connected via PhoneNet to Mac LC-III
>Mac LC-III running LocalTalk Bridge (available via download from Apple)
>Mac LC-III connected to Ethernet hub
>Mac G4 connected to Ethernet hub
>
>AppleTalk is enabled on the G4. The G4 can see both the LC-III and the
>IIgs, but of course there is no server for the IIgs. Also, while the IIgs
>can see a shared directory on the G4, it cannot write successfully to it.
>For my file sharing, I use the LC-III as a file server visible to both the
>G4 and the IIgs.
>
>
>Now, if anybody knows how I could telnet into my G4 via Appletalk.....
>
Dave, I have similar setups for my GS at work and at home. However, I
also run IPNetRouter on the equiv of your LC-III. (I use a PPC7100 at
home and a PPC8550 (workgroup server) at work, each running OS8.5 or
8.6, but I think 7.5.3+ will work if it can run OpenTransport.) Then any
machine (GS or Mac) on the localtalk cables can use MacIP to telent to
machines on the network (WAN or LAN). I can telnet using Spectrum to the
ground.ecn.uiowa.edu or to a AIX machine handling one of my email accounts
or to the HPUX workstation in my office.
So, installing IPNetRouter ($, but not too expensive, www.sustworks.com)
will get you on the way, out the door, ... I haven't tried to telent to
my wife's iMac OSX 10.2 yet and I use a Mac as fileserver to bridge
Appletalk between GS and OSX (haven't tried direct file-sharing). I do
not know if one can telnet to OSX as it is, or a telent deamon needs to be
installed and running. I can telnet from OSX to other unix boxes without
problems.
In summary, IPNetRouter and MacIP, will accomplish what you need for the
GS and classic MacOS. I do not use the GS for telnet regularly because
Spectrum will always lock up at some (random) time during a session. I do
not know if it a Spectrum problem or the tcp addon problem. In theory it
works, in practise it always fails. Telnet on the Macs running Mac
Proterm always works faultlessly.
Give IPNetRouter a try, I think you can run it for a 30 day period as is
without paying a registration fee. You will like it so much you will
register, pay a fee, and they'll send your registraton code ASAP by email.
(Maybe 30 secs if paying by credit card ;-) )
Hmmm, does a LC-III have enough memory to run OT? OT may requite more RAM
than a LC can hold. If so, find a CSi or something that can handle more
RAM. I tend to run PPC's now and forget what the 680x0 machines can do.
--Steve
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Dave Althoff Jr
: >Now, if anybody knows how I could telnet into my G4 via Appletalk.....
: >
: Dave, I have similar setups for my GS at work and at home. However, I
: also run IPNetRouter on the equiv of your LC-III. (I use a PPC7100 at
: home and a PPC8550 (workgroup server) at work, each running OS8.5 or
: 8.6, but I think 7.5.3+ will work if it can run OpenTransport.) Then any
: machine (GS or Mac) on the localtalk cables can use MacIP to telent to
: machines on the network (WAN or LAN). I can telnet using Spectrum to the
: ground.ecn.uiowa.edu or to a AIX machine handling one of my email accounts
: or to the HPUX workstation in my office.
IPNetRouter. Hmmmmmmmm.....
: So, installing IPNetRouter ($, but not too expensive, www.sustworks.com)
: will get you on the way, out the door, ... I haven't tried to telent to
: my wife's iMac OSX 10.2 yet and I use a Mac as fileserver to bridge
: Appletalk between GS and OSX (haven't tried direct file-sharing). I do
: not know if one can telnet to OSX as it is, or a telent deamon needs to be
: installed and running. I can telnet from OSX to other unix boxes without
: problems.
By default, telnet is installed but not enabled in OSX; the preferred
method is via SSH, but if telnet is the only supported protocol...well,
telnet is supplied, you just have to edit the startup scripts to fire the
daemon.
: In summary, IPNetRouter and MacIP, will accomplish what you need for the
: GS and classic MacOS. I do not use the GS for telnet regularly because
: Spectrum will always lock up at some (random) time during a session. I do
: not know if it a Spectrum problem or the tcp addon problem. In theory it
: works, in practise it always fails. Telnet on the Macs running Mac
: Proterm always works faultlessly.
: Give IPNetRouter a try, I think you can run it for a 30 day period as is
: without paying a registration fee. You will like it so much you will
: register, pay a fee, and they'll send your registraton code ASAP by email.
: (Maybe 30 secs if paying by credit card ;-) )
...And it might eliminate the occasional restart of the OS-X box. I've
had a couple of nasty crashes. Normally when an app crashes you can
recover in OS-X, but both "Internet Connect" and "DVD Player" have crashed
on me in such a way that they took the keyboard and mouse with them. Had
I been able to log in remotely, I could have fixed the problem! 8-)
: Hmmm, does a LC-III have enough memory to run OT? OT may requite more RAM
: than a LC can hold. If so, find a CSi or something that can handle more
: RAM. I tend to run PPC's now and forget what the 680x0 machines can do.
I'm not sure. I think that machine is running classic networking at the
moment, though it might have OT installed but not running. I really
didn't care...the LC-III doesn't even have a monitor connected, and the
ONLY thing I use it for is to serve as my network router. If IPNetRouter
will work on that machine it will turn the LC-III in to exactly what I
need it to be...!
--Dave Althoff, ][.
Big Bird
< : Hmmm, does a LC-III have enough memory to run OT? OT may requite more RAM
< : than a LC can hold. If so, find a CSi or something that can handle more
The LCIII has 4MB soldered on, and a 72-pinn SIMM slot which can take
up to a 32MB SIMM. I'm sure 36MB is enough.
< ONLY thing I use it for is to serve as my network router. If IPNetRouter
< will work on that machine it will turn the LC-III in to exactly what I
< need it to be...!
And a 68k-only license for IPNetRouter is discounted off the general
license cost.
Mark Geary
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Dave Althoff Jr
: In article <bkslsb$ls1$1...@acme.gcfn.org>,
: Dave Althoff Jr <dal...@gcfn.org> wrote:
: < ground.ecn AppleII Librarian (appl...@ground.ecn.uiowa.edu) wrote:
: < : Hmmm, does a LC-III have enough memory to run OT? OT may requite more RAM
: < : than a LC can hold. If so, find a CSi or something that can handle more
: The LCIII has 4MB soldered on, and a 72-pinn SIMM slot which can take
: up to a 32MB SIMM. I'm sure 36MB is enough.
Mine has 8Mb. But it doesn't have to do much. OT supposedly requires
5Mb, but Apple also assumes you're going to run an application or two.
: < ONLY thing I use it for is to serve as my network router. If IPNetRouter
: < will work on that machine it will turn the LC-III in to exactly what I
: < need it to be...!
: And a 68k-only license for IPNetRouter is discounted off the general
: license cost.
I noticed that. I also downloaded it.
Not that it has done me any good...I found out why I'm not running Open
Transport: When I switch to OT, AppleTalk quits working.
Grumble...everything is (barely) in spec with MacOS 7.5.3, OT 1.1.2, but
while classic networking works perfectly, OT networking doesn't work at
all. Any suggestions? I get errors when I try to activate any AppleTalk
port.
The hassles I've had trying to make the LC-III work were enough to
convince me that, yes, OS-X was a dramatic improvement for the Mac world.
I just wish parts of it behaved more like GS/OS. 8-)
ToasterKing
<dal...@gcfn.org> wrote:
> I noticed that. I also downloaded it.
>
> Not that it has done me any good...I found out why I'm not running Open
> Transport: When I switch to OT, AppleTalk quits working.
> Grumble...everything is (barely) in spec with MacOS 7.5.3, OT 1.1.2, but
> while classic networking works perfectly, OT networking doesn't work at
> all. Any suggestions? I get errors when I try to activate any AppleTalk
> port.
>
> The hassles I've had trying to make the LC-III work were enough to
> convince me that, yes, OS-X was a dramatic improvement for the Mac world.
> I just wish parts of it behaved more like GS/OS. 8-)
>
> --Dave Althoff, ][.
You probably need to reinstall Open Transport. I had to do it many
times back when I used System 7.5.x. Try this first: Restart with
extensions off (hold down shift). Open the Chooser and turn AppleTalk
on. Restart with extensions off again. Open the Chooser and turn
AppleTalk off. Restart normally. Use Network Software Selector to
switch back to the Open Transport interface and see if it works now.
If not, you've got a corrupt file somewhere.
I can't remember exactly how I did it, but maybe this will work:
Before doing this, locate an installer for Open Transport. Sometimes
you can get away with simply trashing Preferences files, but there's
also a resource installed into the System file ("suitcase") when OT is
installed. If this is corrupt, you'll need the installer to fix it.
Apple used to have an independent software installer for it on their
FTP site. Hopefully it's still in Apple Software Updates on their web
site. You can install it from the system software installed, but guess
what... The 7.5 update 2.0 installer (7.5.3) will probably tell you
that 7.5.3 is already installed and won't let you install custom
components. The 7.5 installer may let you install OT, but it might not
completely work correctly without being updated to its version for
7.5.3, which the 7.5.3 installer won't do because "7.5.3 is already
installed". You really need the independent installer from Apple.
First, use Network Software Selector to switch to the Open Transport
interface (it un-hides particular files that are hidden when in Classic
Networking). Open the Preferences folder inside your System Folder.
Drag these files to the Trash or to a temporary folder:
TCP/IP Preferences
Remote Access (folder)
Open Transport (folder, if it exists)
Open Extensions folder and remove these items:
Any files starting with "Open Transport" or "OpenTpt"
Network Extension (if it exists)
Open Control Panels folder and remove these items:
PPP
TCP/IP
Remove these items from System Folder:
MacTCP DNR
Use the installer (do a custom installation if necessary) to first
remove Open Transport, then reinstall it. Restart the computer. If
Open Transport/PPP was installed, you'll need to use its installer to
remove/reinstall it too.
I didn't have too many problems with 7.5.3/7.5.5, but reinstalling Open
Transport was definitely the biggest pain in the ass and is something I
never want to deal with again!
Good luck,
TK
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>
> AppleTalk is enabled on the G4. The G4 can see both the LC-III and the
> IIgs, but of course there is no server for the IIgs. Also, while the IIgs
> can see a shared directory on the G4, it cannot write successfully to it.
> For my file sharing, I use the LC-III as a file server visible to both the
> G4 and the IIgs.
>
> There are some annoyances, most particularly that I can't get the G4 to
> automagically mount the server on startup, though GS/OS does it very
> nicely. That, and neither OS-X nor GS/OS sets filetypes correctly on the
> server, though OS-X can be told to ignore filetype, and I have File-a-Trix
> on the IIgs to fix 'em there. Understandable, since MacOS, ProDOS, and
> OS-X all have different filetype specs.
>
I've heard (research, research, research...) that Mac OS version 7.5.3 is
the last OS to properly support Appletalk as used in the IIgs. There are
some bits in the packet that have been re-used. I don't think you will be
able to get your G4 working (properly) with the IIgs because I doubt that
7.5.3 will run on a G4.
- Mike
Wayne Lafreniere
Contrary to Mike's missive, I'm running Mas OS 8.6 on a 8600/300Mhz which works
fine with all my Macs and a IIGS. I've just finished installing Appleshare
Server 2.01 on a scavenged IIci and have succesfully booted the IIGS over the
network from the Appleshare server, strange boot screen (like a Mac thermometer
bar), with a hard drive, with a floppy boot and with no floppy drives at all.
Wayne Lafreniere
M. Pender
Wayne Lafreniere <wplafr...@lynx.bc.ca> wrote in message
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> I've not seen the rest of this thread but,
>
> Contrary to Mike's missive, I'm running Mas OS 8.6 on a 8600/300Mhz which
works
> fine with all my Macs and a IIGS. I've just finished installing Appleshare
> Server 2.01 on a scavenged IIci and have succesfully booted the IIGS over
the
> network from the Appleshare server, strange boot screen (like a Mac
thermometer
> bar), with a hard drive, with a floppy boot and with no floppy drives at
all.
>
> Wayne Lafreniere
Maybe you can help me out then--when my IIgs boots I get a box that says:
The selected AppleTalk connection could not be found. Be sure it is
installed and that the slot settings in the control panel are correct.
I've checked the cabling and tried every variation of slot setting possible
on both the Mac and the IIgs. I've also confirmed that AppleTalk and the
cable I'm using are working by connecting the Mac to another Mac running OS
9.
Any suggestions?
- Mike
Marsha
"M. Pender" <mpe...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1Zrxb.2614$a54.359
@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:
> Maybe you can help me out then--when my IIgs boots I get a box that
> says:
> The selected AppleTalk connection could not be found. Be sure it is
> installed and that the slot settings in the control panel are correct.
What ROM version of GS are you using?
Did you install the 7th GS/OS 6.0.1 disk onto the server?
My ROM 1 when booting without a serer available drops down to the next
bootable slot.
My ROM1
Slot 1 Your Card (My SCSI card)
Slot 7 Appletalk
Startup slot 7
Appletalk dongle connected to Printer port on back of computer
Booting from a Mac LCII OS 7.1 10MB running Appleshare 3.0.3
(Using AppleShare Admin be sure to enable Apple II booting)
Bill Garber
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>
> "M. Pender" <mpe...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1Zrxb.2614$a54.359
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>
> > Maybe you can help me out then--when my IIgs boots I get a box that
> > says:
> > The selected AppleTalk connection could not be found. Be sure it is
> > installed and that the slot settings in the control panel are correct.
>
> What ROM version of GS are you using?
> Did you install the 7th GS/OS 6.0.1 disk onto the server?
I never used disk 7, but I wasn booting either. ;-)
> My ROM 1 when booting without a serer available drops down to the next
> bootable slot.
>
> My ROM1
> Slot 1 Your Card (My SCSI card)
> Slot 7 Appletalk
> Startup slot 7
> Appletalk dongle connected to Printer port on back of computer
ROM-3 you use printer port and set only slot 1
to AppleTalk, slot 7 remains set to YourCard.
Also should be using printer port on Mac.
> Booting from a Mac LCII OS 7.1 10MB running Appleshare 3.0.3
> (Using AppleShare Admin be sure to enable Apple II booting)
I used OS 8.1 on a PowerMac 7100 running AppleShare 2.0.1,
at least I think that was the version. I believe you do need
a higher version of Apple Share for booting though.
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>
ROM 3, System 6.0.1
Actually I think I've found the problem--when I removed the ZipGS card
Appletalk worked properly. There are several DIP switches on the card and
one is probably set wrong.
Thanks again,
- Mike
Marsha
"M. Pender" <mpe...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> I think I've found the problem--when I removed the ZipGS card
> Appletalk worked properly. There are several DIP switches on the card
> and one is probably set wrong.
A GS can boot from AppleShare 2.0 and 3.0.x, boot support code was
removed in later versions.
re. switches, from http://apple2.org.za/gswv/a2zine/faqs/Csa2ACCEL.txt
This first paragraph was for general use, not including booting as that
relied on the ROM code as mentioned in the second paragraph.
<<AppleTalk or Interrupt Delay should always be disabled (SW1-3 set to
ON). The desktop will run much slower if you enable it. The only reason
most people needed it was for AppleTalk under system 5, and now there is
an init on tybalt that fixes that. System 6 fixed the problem but
requires CPS Follow to be enabled for the fix to work.
>>
<< With "Appletalk delay" on, every time an interrupt occurs your Zip
will disable acceleration for 5 ms, just like it does with the paddles
and the speaker and the others. This is a significant effect because with
VBL interrupts going you have one every 16 ms, so your Zip spends nearly
1/3 of the time not accelerating you.
Why this "fixes" appletalk: in system 5 and earlier (including the ROM
appletalk code), there are software timing loops which assume 2.8 mhz
operation. As you speed the system up, it gets more and more likely to
drop incoming packets because it thinks they are being sent too slowly to
be correct, when in reality the appletalk code is timing out too fast.
>>
Ned Ludd
> ROM-3 you use printer port and set only slot 1
> to AppleTalk, slot 7 remains set to YourCard.
> Also should be using printer port on Mac.
Seems to me the same is true for ROM 1. At least I seem to recall trying
to use slot 2 for Appletalk so I could still keep the printer attached,
but for some reason it wouldn't work.
Bill Garber
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I believe that is correct, but on ROM-1 slot 7
must also be set to AppleTalk.
M. Pender
>
> A GS can boot from AppleShare 2.0 and 3.0.x, boot support code was
> removed in later versions.
My IIgs has a Ramfast and a hard drive, so booting off the network has
limited appeal. My main goal is to store the contents of archives (Asimov,
etc.) on a hard disk or CDROM on a PC or a Mac and access those files from
the IIgs.
> re. switches, from http://apple2.org.za/gswv/a2zine/faqs/Csa2ACCEL.txt
> This first paragraph was for general use, not including booting as that
> relied on the ROM code as mentioned in the second paragraph.
I finally have my IIgs up and running Appletalk over ethernet on a
Mac/PC/Linux network.
I found out that my ZipGS was misconfigured and I had a bad Appletalk cable.
I was using a phone cord with Farallon connectors and the phone cord only
had two wires, not the usual four. That said, I never did figure out why I
was getting that "AppleTalk connection not found" error message. It just
seemed to go away.
Thanks to everyone who offered their advice--its sweet now that its working.
- Mike
Jalapeno
"M. Pender" <mpe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
> I found out that my ZipGS was misconfigured and I had a bad Appletalk cable.
> I was using a phone cord with Farallon connectors and the phone cord only
> had two wires, not the usual four. That said, I never did figure out why I
> was getting that "AppleTalk connection not found" error message. It just
> seemed to go away.
>
That message comes from the SCC.manager during initialization of the
AppleTalk stack. If your misconfigured Zip interfered with the AppleTalk
timing then that is the likely explanation of its occurance and the
proper configuration is the likely explanation of its disappearance.
Donald Bailey
chippy
In article <YH9yb.619$IF6....@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
Donald Bailey <dba...@nospam.inherentsys.ca> wrote:
> M. Pender wrote:
> >
> > I've heard (research, research, research...) that Mac OS version 7.5.3 is
> > the last OS to properly support Appletalk as used in the IIgs. There are
> > some bits in the packet that have been re-used. I don't think you will be
> > able to get your G4 working (properly) with the IIgs because I doubt that
> > 7.5.3 will run on a G4.
> >
>
Usually on eBay. Last winter I had 64 Mac SE's and SE30's with
AppleShare Server 2 and/or 3 for sale. I only sold 10 of them (average
price $5.00) gave away about 10 of them and the rest ended up in a land
fill in Michigan because I had no takers and needed the space. I had the
same problem with Apple Extended Keyboard (ADB, works great on the
IIgs). I have about 50 of them in a box and couldn't sell one last
winter for $0.99! I had 10 Mac SE's with Apple Internet Router and only
sold the one that had an ethernet card in it for $5.00. The rest went
into the landfill with the servers.
I may still have one or two copies of the server software still
available for sale in the original box. I may even have one still shrink
wrapped. And I still have the ADB keyboards, but only until I need the
space.
--
apnemh (at) earthlink dot net
M. Pender
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> Where exactly does one find AppleShare Server 3 or less these days?
I expect that you could find it in the old downloads area on Apple's web
site at www.apple.com. There's a name for the older downloads area, but I
don't recall it right now.
In any case, I just installed and used the normal Mac OS software. I have a
Mac SE/30 running system 7.5.5 that is configured as a file server and
Power Macintosh 7600 running system 9.0 that is also configured as a file
server.
Both work fine for file sharing -- I haven't tried booting the IIgs from
Appletalk, so I can't say whether that would work.
- Mike
Bill Garber
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> Donald Bailey <dba...@nospam.inherentsys.ca> wrote in message
> news:YH9yb.619$IF6....@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> > Where exactly does one find AppleShare Server 3 or less these days?
>
> I expect that you could find it in the old downloads area on Apple's web
> site at www.apple.com. There's a name for the older downloads area, but I
> don't recall it right now.
It's called this:
http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html
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wife is near) I had ~60 Sun Sparc Classics, all with type 5 keyboards
and couldn't find anybody interested in them, even free. I've since
turfed the keyboards and I've still got the Classics under my basement
stairs.
If you still have a copy of AppleShare and a keyboard you don't mind
parting with let me know what you'd want for them.
Donald
Lockar
On a ROM 03 you can have Appletalk set to Slot 1 or Slot 2. I have
booted my ROM 03 from either slots.
-Lockar
In article <1g54g0o.qm0vdo1ts7jeoN%sp...@luddite.ca>, Ned Ludd
chippy
Donald Bailey <dba...@nospam.inherentsys.ca> wrote:
> I know the feeling of needing space (checks over shoulder to see if the
> wife is near) I had ~60 Sun Sparc Classics, all with type 5 keyboards
> and couldn't find anybody interested in them, even free. I've since
> turfed the keyboards and I've still got the Classics under my basement
> stairs.
>
> If you still have a copy of AppleShare and a keyboard you don't mind
> parting with let me know what you'd want for them.
>
Hi Donald,
I still have tons of keyboards. I only have 2 copies of AppleShare 3.0
left, and one copy of AppleShare 2.0.x left. One of the AppleShare 3.0's
is perfect for a collector because it is still in the shrink wrap. That
one will cost more, but the other has known good disks.
Contact me at apnemh (at) earthlink (dot) net.
Steven N. Hirsch
> "M. Pender" <mpe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:24hyb.10464$a54....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
>
>>Donald Bailey <dba...@nospam.inherentsys.ca> wrote in message
>>news:YH9yb.619$IF6....@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>>
>>>Where exactly does one find AppleShare Server 3 or less these days?
>>
>>I expect that you could find it in the old downloads area on Apple's web
>>site at www.apple.com. There's a name for the older downloads area, but I
>>don't recall it right now.
>
>
> It's called this:
>
> http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html
That looks like updates only. No full package for Appleshare server.
Bill Garber
"Steven N. Hirsch" <shi...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Yeah, mostly. Sorry. Just trying to help.
Big Bird
Bill Garber <will...@comcast.net> wrote:
<
< I used OS 8.1 on a PowerMac 7100 running AppleShare 2.0.1,
< at least I think that was the version. I believe you do need
< a higher version of Apple Share for booting though.
Both AppleShare 2 and 3 will boot an Apple II if properly
configured. AppleShare 2 was written for MacOS 6. I don't know whether
it will run on a latter OS.
Michael J. Mahon
>I still have tons of keyboards. I only have 2 copies of AppleShare 3.0
>left, and one copy of AppleShare 2.0.x left. One of the AppleShare 3.0's
>is perfect for a collector because it is still in the shrink wrap. That
>one will cost more, but the other has known good disks.
I see this thing about shrink-wrap a lot. Don't "collectors" know
how easy it is to re-shrink-wrap anything?
-michael
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Bill Garber
"Michael J. Mahon" <mjm...@aol.com> wrote in message
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: chippy wrote:
:
: >I still have tons of keyboards. I only have 2 copies of
AppleShare 3.0
: >left, and one copy of AppleShare 2.0.x left. One of the
AppleShare 3.0's
: >is perfect for a collector because it is still in the shrink
wrap. That
: >one will cost more, but the other has known good disks.
:
: I see this thing about shrink-wrap a lot. Don't "collectors"
know
: how easy it is to re-shrink-wrap anything?
But of course. Any collector that has experience.
I do not regard shrink-wrapping as a valid criteria
for trusting an item to be NIB, but I imagine there
are many who will fall for that. I would rather buy
used anyway, as I use the stuff. However, I do get
mighty perturbed when an item is supposed to be a
working item and arrives in a less-than-described
condition. Usually people are pretty straight-forward
in their descriptions and I will occasionally make a
purchase that is a chance at best, but I make out okay
for the better part of it. You are correct though, and
I've even seen shrink-wrapping accessories sold on
eBay itself.
Ned Ludd
> : That looks like updates only. No full package for Appleshare
> server.
>
> Yeah, mostly. Sorry. Just trying to help.
Try starting here:
http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/
I know it was there recently because I downloaded it. There are 4 disk
images:
FILE SERVER, PRINT SERVER, WORKSTATION & APPLE II
Though I've never been able to install the Apple II files from that
download, the installer complains about the disk not being original.
I missed the start of this thread, so I'm not sure what you're trying to
set up, but if you just need to use a Mac as a fileserver for the GS,
you can just install Sys 7.5.3 (free from Apple) and 'custom install'
the appropriate software from the Network menu.
If you're wanting to boot the GS from the Mac then I guess that doesn't
help much.
chippy
mjm...@aol.com (Michael J. Mahon) wrote:
> chippy wrote:
>
> >I still have tons of keyboards. I only have 2 copies of AppleShare 3.0
> >left, and one copy of AppleShare 2.0.x left. One of the AppleShare 3.0's
> >is perfect for a collector because it is still in the shrink wrap. That
> >one will cost more, but the other has known good disks.
>
> I see this thing about shrink-wrap a lot. Don't "collectors" know
> how easy it is to re-shrink-wrap anything?
>
I mean that it is still in the original shrink wrap. It has never been
opened. That seems to make it more valuable to some collectors.
Re-shrink wrapping software and selling it as never been opened is
simply fraud. Buyer beware. I am not one of those sellers.
Michael J. Mahon
Of course you aren't--I didn't mean to imply that you were.
But shrink wrap is regularly reapplied by retailers and others,
and there is essentially no way to authenticate "original" shrink
wrap. As a result, it is surprising that it carries much weight in
determining value (since the real issue is whether it is in "mint"
condition).
A further irony--if a collector has an "original shrink-wrapped"
subspace communicator, how can he even be sure that there's
something in there without breaking the shrink wrap and erasing
the incremental value of the shrink-wrap? It's a bizarre concept,
since it precludes even seeing what's inside!
Reminds me of a story my father used to tell me. He said,
"Watermelons are white inside until you cut them and light
strikes them, then they turn red." It took me a while to get
the epistemological joke.
Ned Ludd
http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/system6a.html
:)
Lockar
2.x does and it doesn't. It doesn't like the fact that System 7.0
is Multitasking there for it has some problems. I did get it to work
once but I don't remeber what I did to get it to work. If you have
System 7.0x then I suggest to use AppleShare 3.0.
-Lockar
In article <btednWuy_In...@io.com>, Big Bird <ge...@io.com>
wrote: