Any GNO/ME Activity?

[D Finnigan]

I'm sure it's been 4 or more years ago by now, but I recall there was some
interest in restarting GNO development. Actually, it looks like it's been a
decade now-- since 2012 when GNO sources were put on Github.
http://www.gno.org/gno/

Bobbi ported some Unix v7 utilities to GNO:
https://github.com/bobbimanners/GNO-Extras


Anyone using GNO/ME on the IIgs? Any activity?

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The New Apple II User's Guide:
https://macgui.com/newa2guide/

[Stephen Heumann]

On 2022-07-30 01:01:56 +0000, D Finnigan said:
> Anyone using GNO/ME on the IIgs? Any activity?

I still use GNO, and I'd love to see more activity around it.

I keep the GNO version of ORCALib updated so that current versions of
ORCA/C can be used with it:
https://github.com/byteworksinc/ORCALib/releases

A few years ago, I did some other stuff for GNO, including porting a
Bourne-like shell to it:
https://github.com/sheumann/hush

I know Kelvin Sherlock has also done some work on GNO (system updates
and programs for it). Some of that work is in his fork of the GNO
repository:
https://github.com/ksherlock/gno

--
Stephen Heumann

[D Finnigan]

Yes, that's what I thinking of that was more recent than 2012.

Did GNO not have a killer app? TCP/IP was the upcoming thing in the 1990s,
and GNO never had a TCP until just recently, if I understand correctly.
Derek Taubert's GS-TCP was never completed.

[Stephen Heumann]

On 2022-07-31 14:06:27 +0000, D Finnigan said:
> Did GNO not have a killer app? TCP/IP was the upcoming thing in the 1990s,
> and GNO never had a TCP until just recently, if I understand correctly.
> Derek Taubert's GS-TCP was never completed.

As far as I'm concerned, the value of GNO is mostly in having a
Unix-like environment on the GS, both in terms of the command-line
environment and programming interfaces. A key part of that is also
that it integrates with the existing IIGS system, including running
ORCA languages and utilities (and up to one desktop application). It's
an alternative environment that allows you to run that stuff while
providing more features and (in my experience) better stability than
the ORCA shell.

GS/TCP was never completed, or at least never released. However,
TCP/IP is now available in GNO using MariGNOtti, Kelvin Sherlock's
Marinetti-to-GNO translation layer. Of course, you could use Marinetti
directly and not rely on GNO, but GNO with MariGNOtti is the only setup
that provides a sockets API on the IIGS. That could be quite useful
for porting code from other platforms.

--
Stephen Heumann

[Steven Nelson]

Inquiry re gno prompted me to install gno on my Rom1 GS w/ uthernet2 card. All seems well until I activate marignotti (:usr:local:bin:marignotti &). gno immediately drops into monitor. Does marignotti require uthernet (1) card. If so, my Rom3 GS has the uthernet board. Is there anyway to change the ':' separator to a '/'? My unix/linux exposure is causing me a lot of mistyping using gno. Is there a gno discussion group or board to ask questions in? I think ftp in gno would be neat. I use SAFE2 now which works well.
--Steven

[D Finnigan]

Steven Nelson wrote:
>
> Is there a gno discussion group or board to ask
> questions in?

There was a newsgroup comp.sys.apple2.gno but it was removed 11 years ago
for inactivity.

[Steven Nelson]

Ignore most of my previous msg re gno problems. I was using gno v2.0.4, not 2.0.6. My bad. Spent a couple hours this afternoon installing gno2.0.6 and then gno.2006.09.shk and marignotti4.bxy. All seems to be working. ftp connected to my rpi server; ls and cd worked but I havent actually transferred any files yet, Neato! --Steven

[D Finnigan]

It's a really neat and under-appreciated system which unfortunately came as
the sun was setting on the IIgs.

[Kent Dickey]

In article <dog_cow-1...@macgui.com>,

Apple DTS support really disliked GNO and the way it (ab)used the tool
startup/shutdown to allow some multitasking. It's indirectly mentioned
in a few technotes as "do not do this". It basically doomed GNO since
even mentioning using GNO meant you could get no support. And GNO
wasn't super stable, you had to reboot a lot, especially if you tried
running desktop apps.

Apple resisted Multifinder on the Mac for a while as well (some 3rd
party hacked it together first), but they did come around on the Mac at
least.

Kent

[David Schmidt]

On 8/8/22 11:18 PM, Kent Dickey wrote:
[...]

> Apple resisted Multifinder on the Mac for a while as well (some 3rd
> party hacked it together first), but they did come around on the Mac at
> least.

"Some third party" being Andy Hertzfeld and his app, Switcher. He
writes about it on folklore.org (I'm sure this URL will get garbled, but
go there and search on "switcher") :
https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Switcher.txt

[Christopher G. Mason]

On 7/29/2022 9:01 PM, D Finnigan wrote:
> I'm sure it's been 4 or more years ago by now, but I recall there was some
> interest in restarting GNO development. Actually, it looks like it's been a
> decade now-- since 2012 when GNO sources were put on Github.
> http://www.gno.org/gno/
>
> Bobbi ported some Unix v7 utilities to GNO:
> https://github.com/bobbimanners/GNO-Extras
>
>
> Anyone using GNO/ME on the IIgs? Any activity?
>

Tenox's aclock got ported to GNO/ME. A word of warning for developers,
some of the C headers in GNO/ME 2.0.6 distro are broken. Don't ask me
which ones because I don't remember. Its been awhile.