Transferring Files
julian814
transfer files from a PC to an Apple//? I'm talking about transfers
with Hyperterm on the PC and Proterm on the Apple. I know you don't
with ADT, but not all the files I want to transfer are in .dsk format.
Here's the deal - I have two PC's. The older one has a working modem,
but is considerably slower than the other, and can't do half the stuff
the newer one can. The modem recently died in the newer one. What I'd
like to do is put the modem from the older one into the newer one and
just use the older one to transfer files onto my Apples. They both have
floppy drives, the newer one has a CD burner on it, while the older one
just has a CD ROM. I figure if I need files off the internet, I could
use the newer one to burn them on CD or put them onto floppies, then do
the transfers with the older one. There isn't enough room upstairs to
keep my Apples hooked up to my newer one, and there isn't a phone line
I can use in my basement workshop. So, will my plan work, or not?
Ralph Glatt
aiia...@gmail.com
on the Apple II to Hyperterminal on the PC
using a modem or a serial cable.
There are certain commands you need to
give both comm programs, so they don't
have to 1)dial 2)wait for answer.
Rich
Chris Alaimo (Jibbajaba)
IMHO just using a null modem cable is much easier than what it sounds
like you are trying to do. Buying an older Mac (like a Quadra or
something) is the easiiest way to do it. My mac Quadra can get on the
web, so I just download stuff straight from the web and put it on ProDOS
formatted disks.
Chris
BluPhoenyx
Sure, just make sure your terminal software sets matching baud rates,
data bits, stop bits and parity. Also make sure the baud rate you use is
handled on the Apple side. It seems like 9600 usually works best but for
the GS you should be able to go higher.
I suggest ProTerm for the Apple. AFAIK, it's still available for sale
pretty cheap on the web. There are other terminal softwares available
but ProTerm is so useful even when offline.
Another thought, try ADT for writing disk images directly.
Cheers,
Mike T.
julian814
Thanks, Rich, that's all I really needed to know.
Ralph Glatt
julian814
Okay, I guess I haven't made myself clear. My internet connection is on
the second floor of my house, and the room I have it in doesn't have
enough room to have more than one computer set up at one time. If it
did, then yeah, I'd go with the null modem connection. I do have a Mac,
but it doesn't have a floppy drive on it, and I really can't afford to
get any more equipment right now. What I have will have to do for now.
The main thing is that now I know that I can make the transfer from PC
to Apple// using a serial connection, which should be good enough for
my purposes. Thanks, anyway.
Ralph Glatt
julian814
Thanks, Mike. I do have Proterm, so that should be no problem. One of
the reasons I'd kinda like to have the software on CD is so I have an
easy, compact archive of software, so I won't have to download off the
net all the time. I have ADT, but I'm not sure how I'd be able to use
it to convert software off the net into .dsk images. Anyway, it
shouldn't be long before I'm in business. ;-)
Ralph Glatt
Rubywand
>
> This is something I want to be sure of - do you need a modem to
> transfer files from a PC to an Apple//? I'm talking about transfers
> with Hyperterm on the PC and Proterm on the Apple. I know you don't
> with ADT, but not all the files I want to transfer are in .dsk format.
You can transfer files directly using a NULL modem cable connection.
Information is included in the FAQs at ...
http://home.swbell.net/rubywand/Csa2T1TCOM.html
....
> I figure if I need files off the internet, I could
> use the newer one to burn them on CD or put them onto floppies, then do
> the transfers with the older one. There isn't enough room upstairs to
> keep my Apples hooked up to my newer one, and there isn't a phone line
> I can use in my basement workshop. So, will my plan work, or not?
>
> Ralph Glatt
Should work fine.
Rubywand
Rubywand
>
....
> I have ADT, but I'm not sure how I'd be able to use
> it to convert software off the net into .dsk images.
....
ADT can not convert files to .dsk images. ADT will convert a whole 5.25"
diskette on an Apple II to a .dsk image file on a PC when it does a transfer
from an Apple II to a PC.
For more about ADT ...
http://home.swbell.net/rubywand/Csa2T1TCOM.html#003
On an Apple II, you could use DSK2FILE or (on a IIgs) ASIMOV to create
.dsk disk images from diskettes.
You can create .dsk images on a PC and move files to and from the
images. For more info, see the FAQs at ...
http://home.swbell.net/rubywand/Csa2FLUTILS.html .
Rubywand
Terry Olsen
in my PC. I can transfer files by sticking a prodos formatted Zip disk in
my PC and use CiderPress to copy back and forth...
"Rubywand" <ruby...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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Rubywand
>
> You know what's cool? I have a Zip drive on my GS, and I have a Zip drive
> in my PC. I can transfer files by sticking a prodos formatted Zip disk in
> my PC and use CiderPress to copy back and forth...
>
Could you go into more detail about the process?
Rubywand
Mike Maginnis
wrote:
I'm not sure how Terry does it, but I do a similar Zip disk shuffle.
I've got MacOpener on my PC which lets me access HFS-formatted media.
It's a snap to transfer images that way. Granted, MacOpener isn't
free...
The hardest part these days is keeping one step ahead of the Click of
Death.
- Mike
magi...@tarnover.org
The Computist Project
http://www.computist-project.net
Andy McFadden
>> You know what's cool? I have a Zip drive on my GS, and I have a Zip drive
>> in my PC. I can transfer files by sticking a prodos formatted Zip disk in
>> my PC and use CiderPress to copy back and forth...
>
> Could you go into more detail about the process?
Partition the ZIP disk under GS/OS. You can use ADU or the RamFAST
utilities. Format the partition(s) with ProDOS. The disk will now
work on the IIgs and on the PC with CiderPress. Note that, depending on
your OS and the type of ZIP drive you have, you may need drivers on the
Windows side.
It's necessary to partition it first to make GS/OS happy. There's some
weird thing where if you just format it as a large ProDOS volume, eject
it, and reinsert it, GS/OS may not see the volume. I remember doing
something similar with my Floptical disks.
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Terry Olsen
(Look in CiderPress help under "Opening a Physical Volume").
I have a SCSI IOMega Zip 250MB hooked up to my GS. I use it instead of a
hard drive because I can swap disks, reboot, and have a totally different
GSOS running. My BBS runs on a Zip disk that only has Prodos & Metal
installed.
Anyway, I have a Zip drive in my PC as well. I can put a Prodos formatted
Zip disk in the PC and using CiderPress, copy files directly to the Zip
disk. Put the Zip disk back in the GS and all the files I copied to it from
the PC are there.
I can also make 2mg images using Asimov on the GS. Save the 2mg files to
the Zip disk, move it over to the PC and, using CiderPress, copy them off
for use in the emulator. I used this method to copy Orca C from the real GS
to the emulator.
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Michael J. Mahon
I use a flash card in CFFA, do a block copy of a hard drive partition
to a CFFA partition, carry the flash card to my PC, insert it in a
flash card reader, and use CiderPress to mount it and copy it to
my emulated hard drive partition on the PC.
Once on the PC, backups to CDRs, etc, are trivial.
The same dance works fine for 1.44MB 3.5" floppies with a Superdrive
and controller on the Apple II.
CiderPress has revolutionized the way that I transfer files between
the Apple and the world. (Thanks, Andy! ;-)
-michael
8-voice music synthesizer using NadaNet networking!
Home page: http://members.aol.com/MJMahon/
Rubywand
>
> CiderPress, which runs in windows, can read/write
> to physical Prodos disks.
Doesn't work. The Iomega (parallel) drive reads PC formatted Zip disks
fine under Windows. Under Cider Press v1.2.4 with a ProDOS Zip disk (3
partitions) inserted it just offers to format the disk.
The ProDOS Zip disk was created on the IIgs and works correctly there.
Rubywand
Rubywand
>
....
>
> The hardest part these days is keeping one step ahead of the Click of
> Death.
>
> - Mike
> magi...@tarnover.org
>
> The Computist Project
> http://www.computist-project.net
Wonder about that every so often. After 8 years, the SCSI Zip on the
IIgs still works okay, though.
Rubywand
Rubywand
>
....
>
> Partition the ZIP disk under GS/OS. You can use ADU or the RamFAST
> utilities. Format the partition(s) with ProDOS. The disk will now
> work on the IIgs and on the PC with CiderPress. Note that, depending on
> your OS and the type of ZIP drive you have, you may need drivers on the
> Windows side.
So far, it doesn't work. Cider Press just offers to format the disk.
The Zip disk is ProDOS formatted. It has three partitions with a few
files and does fine on the IIgs.
On the PC, I'm using Windows/ME. The Zip drive is the parallel type (not
SCSI).
Rubywand
Michael J. Mahon
In CiderPress, don't try to open the volume with the "Open" dialog--
instead use "Open Volume..." under the File dropdown.
The Open dialog is for files.
-michael
8-voice music synthesizer using NadaNet 2.0 networking!
Home page: http://members.aol.com/MJMahon/
"The wastebasket is our most important design
tool--and it is seriously underused."
Andy McFadden
>> Doesn't work. The Iomega (parallel) drive reads PC formatted Zip disks
>> fine under Windows. Under Cider Press v1.2.4 with a ProDOS Zip disk (3
>> partitions) inserted it just offers to format the disk.
>>
>> The ProDOS Zip disk was created on the IIgs and works correctly there.
>
> In CiderPress, don't try to open the volume with the "Open" dialog--
> instead use "Open Volume..." under the File dropdown.
>
> The Open dialog is for files.
Yup. CiderPress does not offer to format disks; that's Windows trying
to be helpful. The Open Volume menu item opens devices at the block
level rather than asking Windows to find the filesystem.
You should also be able to use the Volume Copier item in the Tools menu
to see the ProDOS partitions and copy them on/off the Zip disk.
I should probably add a new section to the web site tutorial that covers
this stuff, especially since the Volume Copier interface is somewhat
less than intuitive.
Rubywand
>
> Rubywand wrote:
> > ....
> >
> > The Iomega (parallel) drive reads PC formatted Zip disks
> > fine under Windows. Under Cider Press v1.2.4 with a ProDOS Zip disk (3
> > partitions) inserted it just offers to format the disk.
> >
> > The ProDOS Zip disk was created on the IIgs and works correctly there.
>
> In CiderPress, don't try to open the volume with the "Open" dialog--
> instead use "Open Volume..." under the File dropdown.
>
> The Open dialog is for files.
>
> -michael
Turns out part of the problem was that v1.2.4 doesn't include "Open
Volume", etc. commands. Things improved a bit after downloading and
installing v2.2.0.
Rubywand
Rubywand
After downloading and installing v2.2.0, Cider Press did fine
transferring files from the ProDOS Zip disk to disk images,etc. on the PC
(running Win/Me).
Being able to have two copies of CiderPress going is a nice feature.
When it came to transferring files from .dsk images, .shk files, etc. to
the ProDOS Zip disk, the response was very glitchy. It looks like one or two
files made it; but, there was always an "ASPCI request failed" error and most
copies failed. Sometimes an empty file was written; usually, nothing got
written.
Also noticed that the error leaves the Windows Clipboard full; but, will
not allow trying another copy-- you get a 'Can't Write to Clipboard' error
which seems to require closing CiderPress(es) and restarting the program(s).
After the ASPCI error, the user can avoid the problem by going to the
Clipboard window and doing a Delete to clear the contents.
Perhaps the main problem is in dealing with parallell-interface Zip
Drives.
Rubywand
Mike Maginnis
wrote:
I had to go through a couple of drives before I got one that works.
They're cheap, even on eBay, though so it wasn't a big deal. The
worst part was wasting good disks on bad drives.
Andy McFadden
> When it came to transferring files from .dsk images, .shk files, etc. to
> the ProDOS Zip disk, the response was very glitchy. It looks like one or two
> files made it; but, there was always an "ASPCI request failed" error and most
> copies failed. Sometimes an empty file was written; usually, nothing got
> written.
Interesting. What OS are you using?
I'm going to guess Win98/ME since you're getting ASPI request failures,
and Win2K/XP uses SPTI instead. If so, your experience is very similar
to what Bill Garber went through with CF card readers. Data can be read,
but writes either fail with strange errors or only pretend to succeed.
If that's the case, let me know and I'll update the Hardware Compatibility
page with the info. Bill had a workaround involving a Windows hex editor
that may or may not be useful. (If it works, there's a chance that
CiderPress can be adapted to work the same way.)
> Also noticed that the error leaves the Windows Clipboard full; but, will
> not allow trying another copy-- you get a 'Can't Write to Clipboard' error
> which seems to require closing CiderPress(es) and restarting the program(s).
> After the ASPCI error, the user can avoid the problem by going to the
> Clipboard window and doing a Delete to clear the contents.
That sounds like a bug in CiderPress.
Rubywand
>
....
>
> They're cheap, even on eBay, though so it wasn't a big deal. The
> worst part was wasting good disks on bad drives.
>
Does your Zip drive use the parallel interface or a SCSI interface?
Rubywand
Bill Garber
"Andy McFadden" <fad...@fadden.com> wrote in message
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> Rubywand <ruby...@swbell.net> wrote:
>> When it came to transferring files from .dsk images, .shk files,
>> etc. to
>> the ProDOS Zip disk, the response was very glitchy. It looks like one or
>> two
>> files made it; but, there was always an "ASPCI request failed" error and
>> most
>> copies failed. Sometimes an empty file was written; usually, nothing got
>> written.
>
> Interesting. What OS are you using?
>
> I'm going to guess Win98/ME since you're getting ASPI request failures,
> and Win2K/XP uses SPTI instead. If so, your experience is very similar
> to what Bill Garber went through with CF card readers. Data can be read,
> but writes either fail with strange errors or only pretend to succeed.
>
> If that's the case, let me know and I'll update the Hardware Compatibility
> page with the info. Bill had a workaround involving a Windows hex editor
> that may or may not be useful. (If it works, there's a chance that
> CiderPress can be adapted to work the same way.)
Hex Workshop is able to write the entire image to the ProDOS disk, but,
you must be careful to start the write to the proper sector on the ZIP, CF,
or hard drive to ensure reading peoperly on the Apple. Trouble is, I can't
any longer duplicate this as I now have an XP machine. :o)
Bill Garber
Mike Maginnis
wrote:
SCSI, though I've experienced the CoD on parallel drives as well.
Rubywand
>
> On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:04:32 GMT, Rubywand <ruby...@swbell.net>
> wrote:
>
....
>> Does your Zip drive use the parallel interface or a SCSI interface?
>
> SCSI, though I've experienced the CoD on parallel drives as well.
>
> - Mike
> magi...@tarnover.org
>
> The Computist Project
> http://www.computist-project.net
From what I read back when the Click of Death was first noticed, it was
more likely to infect built-in drives.
Anyway, one thing that can't be good for a Zip drive is having to
repeatedly zero in order to try finding a weak track. If you notice a disk is
starting to produce that behavior, you can avoid trouble by moving the
contents to a new disk.
Rubywand