Any Interest in Byte Magazine Index?
D Finnigan
articles, or if such an index has already been made (I could not find one)?
Sitting on the very shelves behind me are Byte volumes v.2(1977)-v.14(1989
May) and v.14(1989 July)-v.23(1998 June)
So that's every issue except for the earliest ones before 1977.
D Finnigan
interested:
- CREATIVE COMPUTING v.9(1983)-v.11(1985); v.6(1980)
- COMPUTE v.8(1986 July)-v.14(1992); v.6(1984 July)-v.7(1985); v.5(1983
Oct)-v.5(1983 Dec); v.4(1982 Jan)-v.4(1982 June)
- NIBBLE MAC v.2(1987)-v.3(1988)
- A+ v.2(1984 July)-v.4(1986)
There may be others as well; ask and I'll check the library catalog.
roughana
> I was wondering if there would be any interest in an index of Byte Magazine
> articles, or if such an index has already been made (I could not find one)?
I think that an index of any magazine series that is made available to
the web search engines would be a boon to retrocomputing enthusiasts.
As discussed at Mt Keira Fest and mentioned in the A2 Unplugged
podcast:
'You can't grep dead trees'
so an electronic index would be a great addition to accessing the
knowledge contained within the pages.
Obviously this is a big job. Perhaps consider using a Wiki and
inviting other to help with the work?
Regards,
Andrew
D Finnigan
> On Dec 3, 9:23�am, dog_...@macgui.com (D Finnigan) wrote:
>> I was wondering if there would be any interest in an index of Byte
>> Magazine
>> articles, or if such an index has already been made (I could not find
>> one)?
>
> I think that an index of any magazine series that is made available to
> the web search engines would be a boon to retrocomputing enthusiasts.
Definitely, but I want to make sure that I'm not duplicating an existing
effort.
> Obviously this is a big job. Perhaps consider using a Wiki and
> inviting other to help with the work?
>
Having more people help is always good, though of course they'd need to have
access to the magazines. On my side, I may well be able to recruit some
helpers around the campus.
With the holidays coming up, I won't be able to start on anything until next
year, however.
Michael J. Mahon
Great idea--and very useful, in any form.
-michael
NadaNet and AppleCrate II: parallel computing for Apple II computers!
Home page: http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon
"The wastebasket is our most important design
tool--and it's seriously underused."
Mike
Finnigan) wrote:
>
>Definitely, but I want to make sure that I'm not duplicating an existing
>effort.
>
You might want to search around the classiccmp list archives at
http://classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/ - this topic comes up now and
then, with Byte being a popular item of interest.
- Mike
http://6502lane.net
Jerry
There is a Byte index of sorts, although it is far from complete:
http://www.devili.iki.fi/library/publication/10.en.html
Count me in for interest. There are some interesting Apple II
articles in there too, especially among the 1979-1983 years.
--
Jerry awanderin at yahoo dot ca
D Finnigan
> dog...@macgui.com (D Finnigan) writes:
>
>> I was wondering if there would be any interest in an index of Byte
>> Magazine
>> articles, or if such an index has already been made (I could not find
>> one)?
>>
>> Sitting on the very shelves behind me are Byte volumes
>> v.2(1977)-v.14(1989
>> May) and v.14(1989 July)-v.23(1998 June)
>>
>> So that's every issue except for the earliest ones before 1977.
>
> There is a Byte index of sorts, although it is far from complete:
>
> http://www.devili.iki.fi/library/publication/10.en.html
Nice. That'll be a great starting point to which I can fill in the gaps in
coverage. I was just planning on listing article title, author, pages, and
magazine issue anyway. Hopefully this won't be too time-consuming.
The magazines are all bound, so any conventional scanning methods will be
problematic at best. I may just resort to taking photos of the ToC with an
ordinary digital camera, clean them up in Photoshop, and work on
transcribing them. If I were to post the photos online, then anyone could
help to transcribe them.
I don't know how well OCR works on ordinary photos; I'd have to try it.
>
> Count me in for interest. There are some interesting Apple II
> articles in there too, especially among the 1979-1983 years.
Yeah, that's the thing I noticed: how the Apple II articles and
advertisements just suddenly seemed to "explode out of nowhere" in the early
80's.
Frank M.
I'd love to see a PDF version of the complete issues of Byte rather
than just an article index. I recently got a full set of Compute
Magazine PDFs and would love to get Byte and A+ as well. If anyone has
scans/JPGs, I would happily convert everything to PDF. I can also give
advice on scanning and imaging since it's (part of) my bread and
butter day job.
Best,
Frank
D Finnigan
> I'd love to see a PDF version of the complete issues of Byte rather
> than just an article index.
Don't we all? But that's not going to happen, not from me, at least.
Michael Black
They had an accumulated index, quite detailed I'd say, in the December
1983 or '84 issue, at the back. I can't remember if they did that
on a regular basis or not.
I suspect a third party did index it, and sell the index, I know there
was a company doing that at that time for magazines.
There was also some sort of overall index to computer magazines, I
remember ads, that covered all the computer magazines, but that may not
have lasted long (I can't remember).
You should do a websearch. I know I've come across accumulated
indexes for some magazines (though it's not clear if someone merely
typed in an existing paper index, or did the work themselves) and if
someone has done it already, it's silly to do it again.
If it's not done, it might be better, certainly simply, to do a subset
index, and since you posted here, one relevant to the Apple computers
is the obvious subset. The advantage there is that probably people
have kept track of their favorite articles, and it's just a matter
of collecting what they know and verifying. At least that would
be a start.
Michael
Michael Black
> The magazines are all bound, so any conventional scanning methods will be
> problematic at best. I may just resort to taking photos of the ToC with an
> ordinary digital camera, clean them up in Photoshop, and work on
> transcribing them. If I were to post the photos online, then anyone could
> help to transcribe them.
>
Well the cumulative index I just mentioned in another post actually
categorized the articles, which is pretty useful. And the titles
don't always reflect the content. For instance, some of Steve Ciarcia's
projects were either completely for the Apple II or relevant to the Apple
II, yet that often was not in the title.
Michael
Mike
Looks like there are fairly complete article indexes here:
http://ftp.math.utah.edu/pub//tex/bib/index-table.html#B
Albeit in rather obscure formats...
- Mike
http://6502lane.net
paulrsm
> ... any interest in an index of Byte Magazine articles ...
In December 1981 BYTE included a comprehensive, cumulative
index covering every issue of the magazine between September
1975 and December 1981, inclusive. An update was published
in the December 1982 issue starting on page 518. For 1983
and 1984 there was a separate 46-page booklet which I have.
I do not know if BYTE published any others.
--
Paul Santa-Maria
Maumee, Ohio USA
Michael Black
The sad thing is, that would cover most of the magazine's prime.
There'd be a few more years of interesting articles, but by about
'87 things started to decline so there were fewer memorable articles.
Once the covers became the latest "IBM Compatible" month after month,
there was a lot less worth remembering.
Michael
John B. Matthews
Mike <magi...@computist-project.net> wrote:
They are also seriously incomplete, citing only 16 articles from the
70's and few from the early to mid 80's:
1980 ( 7)
1981 ( 9)
1982 ( 2)
1983 ( 5)
1984 ( 20)
1985 ( 24)
1986 ( 23)
1987 ( 31)
1988 ( 120)
1989 ( 245)
--
John B. Matthews
trashgod at gmail dot com
<http://sites.google.com/site/drjohnbmatthews>
D Finnigan
Right. That's the problem which I've noticed with the few indices I have
seen on the web so far: they all lack comprehensiveness. This is likely due
to the fact the creators of these indices do not have access to the complete
set of Byte volumes. Granted, I myself do not have access to volume 1, but
that is the only set of issues missing.
I could on my own, perhaps, come up with a complete index for all articles
from 1997-1998 or so in 2-3 months. Or, if there's only an interest in
articles up until 1987 as mentioned earlier, that would also expedite the
process by truncating by a decade.
D Finnigan
the tables of contents look like. Most are just one page, with a few
two-pagers. So my idea to use take a good photo of each should turn out
well.
On to the subject of this post....
I selected a few notable Byte magazines to read over the introduction of the
//e, Lisa, Macintosh, Power PC Macs, etc.
I went to the volume which held the October 1986 issue of Byte which
features the IIgs introduction article. I scanned the ToC and saw that the
IIgs intro article was on page 84. Ok. I flipped around and ended up at a
block of ads. The next page was 104, the start of some other article. I
flipped back past the ads... back to an article on page 70-something. I
checked the ToC again... flipped back past the pages more carefully.
A sinking feeling arose.
I examined the binding carefully and I found that the smallest stubs of the
pages were still clinging to the binding. Someone had torn out the entire
Apple IIgs article from this Byte magazine. This was probably done years ago
by some Apple fanatic, but impresses upon us all the fact that even
libraries can suffer "data loss."
The quicker we get these old volumes digitized such that they can be
perfectly replicated as many times as needed, the better.
Calibrator
>
> A sinking feeling arose.
>
> I examined the binding carefully and I found that the smallest stubs of the
> pages were still clinging to the binding. Someone had torn out the entire
> Apple IIgs article from this Byte magazine. This was probably done years
> ago by some Apple fanatic, but impresses upon us all the fact that
> even libraries can suffer "data loss."
The "data thief" probably wanted to scan them in... ;-)
bye
Marcus
A2Aviator
D Finnigan
The "data thief" likely doesn't even have the pages anymore. They're lost to
the ages.
Charlie
"D Finnigan" <dog...@macgui.com> wrote in message
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I have the October 1986 Byte pages 84 through 98 which looks like
the whole article. I cut them out years ago and no, not from a
public copy but from my own when I trashed my Byte magazines (no one
wanted them at the time).
Anyway, if you want them scanned let me know.
Charlie
Michael Black
Just because the Apple IIGS article is missing doesn't mean it's a
horrible event. For most libraries, they tossed the magazines (Byte and
everything else) a long time ago. Unless they were bound, chances are
good they wouldn't have been in great shape anyway, magazines don't hold
up that well to a lot of reading by different people. Libraries have a
finite space, and lots gets tossed because room is needed for things that
more people will take advantage of. Sad as it may be, libraries aren't so
much about archiving but about lending, and if something is old, it's
likely going to get tossed.
In other words, you're actually lucky that those Byte volumes are still
in the library.
The article may have been taken before the binding, assuming the library
had them bound after the fact.
As for pilfering, read "The Island of Lost Maps", your library may have
a copy, about the stealing of specific things from vintage books, like
maps and artwork that is then sold off to the customer. There was an
episode of "Law & Order" (I think it was the main show) in the past few
years that had such pilfering as part of the plot.
Michael
D Finnigan
You're right. It's not really world-ending. But my point is that if it can
happen to some now-obscure computer article, it could happen to anything. It
could happen to books of much greater significance which are just freely
available to anyone on the open shelves. Not every rare/valuable book is
locked away in some basement storage vault.
>
> In other words, you're actually lucky that those Byte volumes are still
> in the library.
>
There's A+ in storage.
Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'm sure what you seek is out there. If anybody has it -- it would be
Rubywand.
Cheers!
Tom
Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet
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They ain't Byte but here's a nice collection of computist and Hard
Core Compute if anybody is interested
along with tons of other A2 goodies for download - review and/or use.
http://apple2.org.za/gswv/USA2WUG/
Cheers & Enjoy!
Tom
q...@home.net
the Internet <tada...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > In other words, you're actually lucky that those Byte volumes are still
>> > in the library.
>>
>> There's A+ in storage.- Hide quoted text -
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>
>I'm sure what you seek is out there. If anybody has it -- it would be
>Rubywand.
>
>Cheers!
>Tom
That's right Turdbag, suck up to your cocksucking partner in crime.
Why don't you piss off to that smelly orifice you crawled out of,
shit-fer-brains.
Michael J. Mahon
<irony>
Ah, there's that breath of creative fresh air that some
were perversely hoping for.
</irony>
Apparently, time doesn't heal all wounds...or all pottymouths. ;-(
sfahey
Re: Re: Public vandalism
By: qc to comp.sys.apple2 on Thu Dec 10 2009 03:27 pm
> Why don't you piss off to that smelly orifice you crawled out of,
> shit-fer-brains.
This isn't helpful/beneficial to anyone.
Sean Fahey
www.a2central.com
bbs.a2central.com
mdj
> That's right Turdbag, suck up to your cocksucking partner in crime.
>
> Why don't you piss off to that smelly orifice you crawled out of,
> shit-fer-brains.
Please Mr Cat, knock it off. It's not funny, not clever, and not
helpful.
Mike Spurgeon
The usual.
One definition of insanity is 'doing the same thing over and over hoping
for different results'.
Quantum Cat fits for me, years ago and now...
Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet
> I'd love to see a PDF version of the complete issues of Byte rather
> than just an article index. I recently got a full set of Compute
> Magazine PDFs
Wow, that's nice! Where did you get these -- online somewhere???
Perhaps you could share this with us.
Cheers,
Tom
Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet
More proof that the world ain't perfect it seems.
Frank M.
<tadap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 3, 12:45 pm, "Frank M." <frank_o_r...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd love to see a PDF version of the complete issues of Byte rather
> > than just an article index. I recently got a full set of Compute
> > Magazine PDFs
>
> Wow, that's nice! Where did you get these -- online somewhere???
> Perhaps you could share this with us.
>
> Cheers,
> Tom
>
> and would love to get Byte and A+ as well. If anyone has
>
The Compute Magazine archive originally came from The Pirate Bay of
all places. I cleaned some of the page display stuff up so that the
pages open correctly as two-up. The scans are good (and have OCR!),
but are made from scuffed copies, so i have no idea where they
originally came from.Could someone POSSIBLY have that much free
time!?!? There are 170 issues total from "Compute Microprocessor
Newsletter" in 1978 to mid 1994. Unfortunately most of them are not
visible online anymore except for the last years....
http://thepiratebay.org/search/compute%20magazine/0/99/0
I'd be happy to create another torrent file so that c.s.a2 people
could download the whole enchilada. The entire archive is just under
15 GB, so it may take 4-5 days to finish downloading once set up. i
can only get a 50kB/second upstream on my cable modem.
Best,
Frank