Integer BASIC manual?
DMn2004404
of predecessor, Integer BASIC. Does anyone know if Asimov has a
digital copy of the programming manual for this language, or, if not,
where I might find one?
Brandon Taylor
schmidtd
1000bit.it has a copy of Jef Raskin's manual - which includes some
amount of (Integer) BASIC reference material:
http://www.1000bit.it/support/manuali/download.asp?id=533
There are other snippets in, for example, the Red Book - but I'm not
sure there exists a purely referential book of Woz's Integer BASIC.
D Finnigan
The best that you will find will be the rather spartan run-down in the Red
Manual, and the tutorial which is Raskin's book.
There wasn't ever an Integer BASIC reference manual published by Apple,
mostly because the language was superseded by Applesoft after not too long
(cassette release was in 1977). I'd be surprised if one could find even very
many 3rd-party books on it.
Older editions of The Apple II User's Guide by Lon Poole, et al, have
coverage of Integer BASIC. The newer editions probably do too, but by 1985,
the date of the 3rd edition, most of the coverage was focused on the
enhanced //e and IIc.
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Sean Fahey
> There wasn't ever an Integer BASIC reference manual published by Apple,
> mostly because the language was superseded by Applesoft after not too long
> (cassette release was in 1977). I'd be surprised if one could find even very
> many 3rd-party books on it.
The "Apple II BASIC Programming Manual" doesn't count? I also
recommend "Intimate Instructions in Integer BASIC" by Brian Blackwood
(Howard Sams Pub)
D Finnigan
It certainly counts, but not as a reference manual. For Applesoft, there's
the Blue Book, as well as the Applesoft II Reference Manual. Then there's
the Applesoft Tutorial.
For integer BASIC, there is no explicit book that is labeled as the
"reference manual."
Bill Garber
"D Finnigan" <dog...@macgui.com> wrote in
message news:dog_cow-1...@macgui.com...
> Sean Fahey wrote:
>> On Mar 28, 3:07�pm, dog_...@macgui.com (D Finnigan) wrote:
>>
>>> There wasn't ever an Integer BASIC reference manual published
>>> soft after not too long (cassette release was in 1977). I'd be
> surprised if one could find even very many 3rd-party books on it.
>>
>> The "Apple II BASIC Programming Manual" doesn't count?
>> I also recommend "Intimate Instructions in Integer BASIC"
>> by Brian Blackwood (Howard Sams Pub)
>>
>
> It certainly counts, but not as a reference manual. For
> Applesoft, there's the Blue Book, as well as the Applesoft
> II Reference Manual. Then there's the Applesoft Tutorial.
>
> For integer BASIC, there is no explicit book that is
> labeled as the "reference manual."
Although the "Apple II BASIC Programming Manual" isn't label
as a reference manual, it pretty much is one. 8^)
Bill
D Finnigan
>
> Although the "Apple II BASIC Programming Manual" isn't label
> as a reference manual, it pretty much is one. 8^)
>
It has an interesting writing style, that's for sure. :-)
"Unless you type with a hammer."
Mike Westerfield
addition to the reference manual, it includes a complete Integer BASIC
compiler written in ORCA/Pascal. The manual includes a high-level
discussion of how the compiler is written, too.
Mike Westerfield
Michael J. Mahon
I've always really enjoyed Jef Raskin's style--here and in the Applesoft
manual.
-michael - NadaNet 3.1: http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon
Linards Ticmanis
I love tutorials and textbooks that don't take themselves too seriously,
though it is hard to pull off well.
But isn't this an old American tradition? My father had an textbook, I
believe it was an American textbook, on some fairly obscure area of
bio-chemistry. The time frame was probably the 1970s. IIRC he told me
the book contained numerous jokes like the following: in a list of
needed materials for some experimental setup: "a crate of beer" with a
footnote along the lines of "actually you need only five milliliters,
but having the rest is ideal for drowning your sorrow in case the
experiment, as usual, doesn't work out." (this is from very hazy memory,
not a verbatim quote). At that time, anything like that would've been
absolutely impossible in a university-level German textbook, that's why
he told me about it (approvingly) even when I was a child.
Unfortunately things seem to have converged; German-language teaching
material has become more humorous, while big-company Apple, and other
self-important groupings of people around the world, successively
dropped the humor.
--
Linards Ticmanis
schmidtd
> But isn't this an old American tradition? My father had an textbook, I
> believe it was an American textbook, on some fairly obscure area of
> bio-chemistry. The time frame was probably the 1970s. IIRC he told me
> the book contained numerous jokes like the following: in a list of
> needed materials for some experimental setup: "a crate of beer" with a
> footnote along the lines of "actually you need only five milliliters,
> but having the rest is ideal for drowning your sorrow in case the
> experiment, as usual, doesn't work out."
I remember one problem my college physics textbook had - we had to
work out the amount of friction one could apply, sliding down
bedsheets tied up and thrown out a window as an escape route from your
significant other's dormitory window. There was a velocity you
couldn't exceed when landing, and only so much weight the sheets would
support...
Darren Stone
A document titled "Preliminary Apple BASIC Users Manual" from October
1976 is available here:
http://www.applefritter.com/node/4103
It seems to cover an early version of Woz BASIC for the Apple I.
--
D Finnigan
>
> It seems to cover an early version of Woz BASIC for the Apple I.
>
It looks very similar to the material published in the Red Book.
Charles Richmond
Problem 39 on page 348 of _Systems Programming_, by J.J. Donovan
(published in 1972) said:
39. Implement a full PL/I compiler. *
... and at the bottom of the page, the footnote said ...
* For the instructor who assigns all odd-numbered problems.
;-)
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Michael J. Mahon
> On 03/29/11 01:06, D Finnigan wrote:
>
>>Bill Garber wrote:
>>
>>>Although the "Apple II BASIC Programming Manual" isn't label
>>>as a reference manual, it pretty much is one. 8^)
>>>
>>
>>It has an interesting writing style, that's for sure. :-)
>>
>>"Unless you type with a hammer."
>
>
> I love tutorials and textbooks that don't take themselves too seriously,
> though it is hard to pull off well.
>
> But isn't this an old American tradition? My father had an textbook, I
> believe it was an American textbook, on some fairly obscure area of
> bio-chemistry. The time frame was probably the 1970s. IIRC he told me
> the book contained numerous jokes like the following: in a list of
> needed materials for some experimental setup: "a crate of beer" with a
> footnote along the lines of "actually you need only five milliliters,
> but having the rest is ideal for drowning your sorrow in case the
> experiment, as usual, doesn't work out." (this is from very hazy memory,
> not a verbatim quote). At that time, anything like that would've been
> absolutely impossible in a university-level German textbook, that's why
> he told me about it (approvingly) even when I was a child.
I've always remembered a line from a Raytheon "variable micrologic"
computer describing its no-operation instruction:
"NOP does absolutely nothing, and takes exactly two cycles
not to do it."
;-)
-michael
NadaNet 3.1 for Apple II parallel computing!
Home page: http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon/
"The wastebasket is our most important design
tool--and it's seriously underused."
Michael J. Mahon
> On 4/1/11 12:51 PM, schmidtd wrote:
>
>> On Apr 1, 11:20 am, Linards Ticmanis<ticma...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>>> But isn't this an old American tradition? My father had an textbook, I
>>> believe it was an American textbook, on some fairly obscure area of
>>> bio-chemistry. The time frame was probably the 1970s. IIRC he told me
>>> the book contained numerous jokes like the following: in a list of
>>> needed materials for some experimental setup: "a crate of beer" with a
>>> footnote along the lines of "actually you need only five milliliters,
>>> but having the rest is ideal for drowning your sorrow in case the
>>> experiment, as usual, doesn't work out."
>>
>>
>> I remember one problem my college physics textbook had - we had to
>> work out the amount of friction one could apply, sliding down
>> bedsheets tied up and thrown out a window as an escape route from your
>> significant other's dormitory window. There was a velocity you
>> couldn't exceed when landing, and only so much weight the sheets would
>> support...
>
>
> Problem 39 on page 348 of _Systems Programming_, by J.J. Donovan
> (published in 1972) said:
>
> 39. Implement a full PL/I compiler. *
>
> ... and at the bottom of the page, the footnote said ...
>
> * For the instructor who assigns all odd-numbered problems.
>
> ;-)
Indeed!
And Don Knuth's beautiful "The Art of Computer Programming" series
is filled with clever puns, inspired epigraphs, and cute in-jokes!
mdj
> And Don Knuth's beautiful "The Art of Computer Programming" series
> is filled with clever puns, inspired epigraphs, and cute in-jokes!
"Any inaccuracies in this index may be explained by the fact that it
has been sorted with the help of a computer."
:-D
Michael J. Mahon
And one of my favorites in the index:
"circular definition- see 'definition, circular'"