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oldjo...@gmail.com

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Apr 29, 2015, 8:20:04 PM4/29/15
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I placed an order for ProDOS master disks, the store processed my payment but my order is still considered "pending". I used the store form to ask if there was a problem and I haven't heard back.

Looking at the rest of the site it's kind of a mess. Is this store even open?

Bill Buckels

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Apr 29, 2015, 10:17:34 PM4/29/15
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<oldjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is this store even open?

I just checked Tony Diaz's facebook page. He is at KansasFest right now from
what I gather. If he hasn't shipped your order yet I assume you'll need to
wait until he gets back home to CA.

Why don't you join the Apple II Enthusiasts group on FaceBook and you can
contact him through the group and inquire about your order there if you
wish?

I assume that syndicomm is being run on a best effort basis. I understand
how you feel, but unless you get set-up to download disk-images from the
internet and make them into real disks, or get a card for your Apple II that
uses removeable media like a USB stick or Compact Flash card, syndicomm is
your only "official" source for ProDOS. Apple Corp don't sell it anymore.

You will find everyone on the facebook group. Including some people that you
may have read about in your Apple II history.

Bill




Bill Buckels

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Apr 29, 2015, 10:32:04 PM4/29/15
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"Bill Buckels" <bbuc...@mts.net> wrote:
>get a card for your Apple II that uses removeable media like a USB stick
>or Compact Flash...

It's been several years since I was in exactly the same situation you are.

I waited for syndicomm, got set-up with ProDOS but then what? I tried
buying Apple II programs on ebay. That was a disaster. A costly one. The
disk arrived damaged and I am in Canada and the seler was in the States. For
a time I corresponded with other hobbyists, also in the States and got a few
disks. I looked at the time and money I was wasting.

I did not want to go back to using a null modem cable but some people still
do.

I solved my problem by ordering a card like I described to you. Currently
the CFFA3000 is the card to get but there are some others... well worth the
money.

They act like a big hard disk. You can make several partitions and don't
need floppies unless you want to run CP/M 80. DOS.MASTER lets you run DOS
3.3. from a ProDOS volume..

It is a fairly steep learning curve but lots of guys around here have been
through it, so it's doable.

Bill


oldjo...@gmail.com

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Apr 30, 2015, 10:31:32 AM4/30/15
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I'll check out the enthusiasts group thanks.

So the backstory is I'm working on a machine that survived a flood. In fact this particular machine was submerged in water for over a week before it was found and left to dry. I figured it was done but as I was getting around to cataloging damage for the insurance company I plugged it in and turned it on. To my surprise the system started up. I pulled the floppy out of the drive and found it covered in a fine coating of dirt. So I figured that the drive was shot. Very few floppy disks survived but of those that did a few of them booted. Wings of Fury - for example played fine, Mousewrite also worked fine. I have a few disks which I suspect have some of my old Apple II projects on them and I was interested in examining them but only two of the disks that survived had ProDOS on them and neither appear to have BASIC.SYSTEM.

I tried getting a null-modem set up using various cables and gender changers I had hanging around. I was able to send data via PuTTY but ADTPro could see the COM port but when I attempted to bootstrap it nothing got sent. I tried a couple of machines with the same result. As I can remotely control the machine with a PR#2 I suspect the issue is either with the RX/TX library or ADT attempting to do something with RTS/CTS to get higher performance and getting fouled up because most of the cables I'm using are just standard PC modem cables which don't understand the //c's wierdo RTS/CTS wiring.

As a stopgap I wrote a short program to send ProDOS over the RS232 connection. I figured that since it loads at $2000 and then executes and relocates. I could just hexify it, push it into memory throught the monitor and then do a 2000G. When it can't find a .SYSTEM file I'd ctrl/reset out then do the same with BASIC.SYSTEM. The first part with ProDOS worked to a point. However it gave me the dreaded "configuration error" which made me wonder if there was a memory issue. Built in diagnostic seems to pass. I can write a more rigorous one later when I have time. Reading the ProDOS source I suspect this is coming from the fact that ProDOS can't identify the boot path. I could patch it but I've gotten busy with other things.

So I figured while I was getting other things done I'd get some master disks sent to me and I could at least examine those disks.

Leandro Polimeno

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Apr 30, 2015, 11:54:43 AM4/30/15
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Em quarta-feira, 29 de abril de 2015 23:32:04 UTC-3, Bill Buckels escreveu:
And I was waiting my Focus IDE for what ... let me think ... OOUUCHH 4 years and 6 months !!

Bill Buckels

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Apr 30, 2015, 4:15:44 PM4/30/15
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"Leandro Polimeno" <leandro....@gmail.com> wrote:
>And I was waiting my Focus IDE for what ... let me think ... OOUUCHH 4
>years and 6 months !!

The problem with dealing with human beings is that they sometimes don't work
as expected including and especially yours truly. Life also throws curves to
people which bends the time-space continuum a great deal. Then there is the
curvature of the horizon... if we all lived in a small village then you
could just call over to syndicomm and ask Tony if he was ok, and how that
order was coming.

I know there were major life issues behind syndicomm, and I also understand
how APDA eventually devolved (sort-of) when it came to the Apple II, until
stuff comes on a best effort basis.

Apple II users are pretty serious hobbyists. It's hard for some of us not to
expect when we pay for something that we may not get it at all. In my
real-life antics in business, community, and family and friends the
landscape is always shifting, and I try my humanly best to be flexible.

Yet some days I think that I have learned absolutely nothing about people.
At least my computer either works or it doesn't.

My own dealings with Sheppy and Tony have always been fine. Much to my
delight.

Tony is in the Facebook group. I can only encourage that people speak to him
through his Facebook account if they do not get a response through email. I
have my hands full of life as we all do. Results are what counts not how we
think things should work. If the facts do not match ones expectations,
consider an alternate expectation that satisfies ones original goal.
Something realistic.

Look forward... we only have a limited amount of time to play on our Apple
II's. So do we spend that time restating grievances, and rehashing old
problems, or move forward by accepting that something didn't work the way we
wanted it to, and try to find a solution from a new perspective that
satisfies our original goal?

I also wanted to point out that if you were trapped in a building in an
earthquake tomorrow, you might not wait patiently for someone to come and
rescue you before you ran out of air.

Anyway, the MicroDrive that I got from Henry Courbis at reactive micro is
still working fine, even though Henry and Joachim Lang don't seem to have a
relationship. Joachim will send you a Microdrive directly though.

Rich Dreher is set to produce another run of CFFA3000's next fall and I get
the idea that this product is very actively developed. I grabbed a couple
last run, gave one to a really good guy for helping me with a difficult
moral dilemma, and traded the other for a VOC. So I need to get one again
for my IIgs. My Microdrive is in my IIe.

Or alternately I could look at that new thing of Nivardo's.

There's lots of alternate media solutions. The Carte-Blanche offers one
along with its other FPGA coolness.

I failed to get a new CB though. Life took over again and I couldn't spare
the cash. The world economy took over this time and our canadian currency
fell too low (along with other life problems).

Policy is one thing when it comes to people. Public policy generally results
in regulations and guidelines that end-up being enforceable in some way,
sometimes as law. However, unless one wants to make a lawyer rich, by
sacrificing lots of time and money, it's usually best to work at the policy
level to change what needs to be changed for your particular situation.

Maybe think different.

Bill




Bill Buckels

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Apr 30, 2015, 4:26:57 PM4/30/15
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<oldjo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I'll check out the enthusiasts group thanks.
I think I dummied-down that last post a little too far :) Judging from the
level of your response but no matter. I'll tell you what; try to get a hold
of Tony and get those disks you need... they're a bargain at that price.

If you don't get anywhere and you want some media, someone in here including
me can eventually send you a couple of real floppies out of the knindness of
their heart. I'm pretty busy, so it would still be slow from Canada, but not
so expensive that I would want anything for doing so.

I have blank floppies here. And the latest ProDOS from Syndicomm. I got
several copies about 8 years back. I still think that the CFFA3000 would be
the best thing for you, for the cost and convenience both. I used a null
modem in the 80's and early 90's to transfer my Aztec C65 cross-compiled
programs using Proterm and Procomm Plus on the PC side. I know ADTPro is
actively maintained etc. I simply hate cables and stumbling around
connecting things with my glasses falling off etc. Sneaker-Net from my
desktop to the CF card is painless. So time saving too.

Let me know how you make out with Tony after he gets back from KFest.

Bill



oldjo...@gmail.com

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Apr 30, 2015, 5:27:44 PM4/30/15
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On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 4:26:57 PM UTC-4, Bill Buckels wrote:
> I think I dummied-down that last post a little too far :)
No worries. There's still a pretty significant amount of variation in Apple II users.
> I'll tell you what; try to get a hold
> of Tony and get those disks you need... they're a bargain at that price.
Thanks. This isn't an emergency or anything. I just wanted to be sure that my money wasn't just sitting there.
>I'm pretty busy, so it would still be slow from Canada, but not
> so expensive that I would want anything for doing so.

No worries, I'll keep that in mind if Tony has issues. I'm in Toronto myself. Which means I paid a fair bit for shipping from Syndicomm anyway.

> I have blank floppies here. And the latest ProDOS from Syndicomm. I got
> several copies about 8 years back. I still think that the CFFA3000 would be
> the best thing for you,

I would love a CFFA3000 but I have a //c. So no slots. I have one of these: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/8215

Which I can probably write a ProDOS driver for - it's effectively the same as the various serial drive projects around but again time is a little tight these days.

> Let me know how you make out with Tony after he gets back from KFest.

I'll do that thanks.

SuperNewbie

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May 1, 2015, 12:13:22 PM5/1/15
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On 2015-04-30 15:54:42 +0000, Leandro Polimeno
<leandro....@gmail.com> said:

>
> And I was waiting my Focus IDE for what ... let me think ... OOUUCHH 4
> years and 6 months !!

To the OP: I would avoid Syndicomm. This is not the only story of
problems with this particular individual being unreliable and not
mailing orders he has already recieved cash for. If it's not too late,
I would not let the time go past where you can get a refund from your
credit card company. I used ADT Pro to get up and running. Best of
luck!


--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ne...@netfront.net ---

oldjo...@gmail.com

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May 1, 2015, 3:07:55 PM5/1/15
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That's concerning.

Nootrac90

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May 3, 2015, 9:09:36 PM5/3/15
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As an owner of a //c I am interested in the Smartport Virtual Hard Drive as shown on this page: http://pcedric3.free.fr/SmartportVHD/


Dana

SuperNewbie

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May 3, 2015, 10:05:43 PM5/3/15
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>>
>>> Let me know how you make out with Tony after he gets back from KFest.
>>
>> I'll do that thanks.


I thought Kansasfest was in July 2015?!?

Bill Buckels

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May 4, 2015, 6:31:49 AM5/4/15
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"SuperNewbie" <Super...@nomail.com> wrote in message
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>I thought Kansasfest was in July 2015?!?

So did I.

Bill


Steven Hirsch

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May 4, 2015, 7:55:17 AM5/4/15
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On 05/03/2015 09:09 PM, Nootrac90 wrote:

> As an owner of a //c I am interested in the Smartport Virtual Hard Drive as
> shown on this page: http://pcedric3.free.fr/SmartportVHD/

Unfortunately, Cedric has disappeared from view for the past couple of years.
I had heard rumors of health issues, but nothing definite.

As an alternative, you might want to look at:

http://www.bigmessowires.com/macintosh-floppy-emu/

which, despite the URL, is being enhanced to emulate Apple 2 drives as well.
It's a real product that's really shipping and the designer, Steve Chamberlin,
is engaged and responsive.


Jeff Blakeney

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May 4, 2015, 11:44:41 AM5/4/15
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On 03/05/2015 10:05 PM, SuperNewbie wrote:
>>>
>>>> Let me know how you make out with Tony after he gets back from KFest.
>>>
>>> I'll do that thanks.
>
>
> I thought Kansasfest was in July 2015?!?

I think they meant to say OzKFest. Tony went to Australia and attended
the down under version of KansasFest which was held last month.


Sean Fahey

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May 4, 2015, 12:07:36 PM5/4/15
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At this time, for the //c... your best option is:

Nishida Radio's UNISDISK product.

There are a couple of variants, one wired, one wireless over bluetooth.

http://tulip-house.ddo.jp/DIGITAL/english.html

Sean Fahey

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May 4, 2015, 12:56:40 PM5/4/15
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On Sunday, May 3, 2015 at 9:05:43 PM UTC-5, SuperNewbie wrote:

> I thought Kansasfest was in July 2015?!?

Yep - http://www.kansasfest.org/

Be there or regret it forever.

oldjo...@gmail.com

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May 4, 2015, 1:03:16 PM5/4/15
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Ok so he's been there for a month? This is a little concerning.

Sean Fahey

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May 4, 2015, 1:07:06 PM5/4/15
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http://tulip-house.ddo.jp/DIGITAL/UNISDISK/english.html

Many people use this adapter with =great= success for disk images and as their hard drive.

Sean Fahey

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May 4, 2015, 1:10:26 PM5/4/15
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On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 12:03:16 PM UTC-5, oldjo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ok so he's been there for a month? This is a little concerning.

No, he's back... been back for a few days at least. Was gone only for a week or so. Want to speak to him directly - try IRC: irc.a2central.com:6667 /channel:#a2c.chat

...and good luck.

Bill Buckels

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May 4, 2015, 8:09:04 PM5/4/15
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"Jeff Blakeney" <CUTjeffre...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>I think they meant to say OzKFest. Tony went to Australia and attended the
>down under version of KansasFest which was held last month.

Thanks Jeff. My attention to detail is not improving unless it is something
I am programming. I seem to be better than ever at that and much more
forgetful about what I had for dinner last night.

Bill



Bill Buckels

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May 4, 2015, 8:15:37 PM5/4/15
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<oldjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Ok so he's been there for a month? This is a little concerning.

I think he is back. You have options, but you will either need to chase the
guy on FaceBook, or if you want 5 1/4" floppies free of charge, send me your
address and I'll send the darned disks to you made on my Apple II if I can't
find an extra set. Since you are in Canada, it's easy for me.

Don't get all stressed out over this. I see benefit to having some of the
stuff available for download and online purchase. If he gets stupid then he
could just trun-off the downloads and I doubt Apple Corp. even cares about
us. They may take Tony's side which is entirely likely the way life works.

How much money did you send him?

Bill


Bill Buckels

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May 4, 2015, 8:19:59 PM5/4/15
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"Sean Fahey" <a2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Be there or regret it forever.

I regret it forever each year, but since I am not one of the truly faithful,
my wife would never allow me to miss our family time. Different for you
guys... you were part of it and you don't live far and away.

I would do it anyway someday if I had more real money, but the expense
especially with the rate of exchange compared to $CDN makes this affordable
only to the Americans and the truly faithful at this time.

Bill


Michael J. Mahon

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May 4, 2015, 8:51:51 PM5/4/15
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Is it already Apple II-capable, or should I wait?
Or maybe it's field-upgradeable...?
--
-michael - NadaNet 3.1 and AppleCrate II: http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon

Steve Nickolas

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May 4, 2015, 8:55:57 PM5/4/15
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I'd *go*, but on my limited income, it's not happening. :P

Besides, I'd prolly get manhandled by the TSA getting onto any sort of
transportation between here and there.

-uso.

Steven Hirsch

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May 4, 2015, 9:16:34 PM5/4/15
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Both. It has a measure of compatibility at the moment, though only with 3.5"
drives. It is re-flashable in the field as well. Steve is working on 5.25"
support.

His development blog has all the details. I have one and am very happy with it.




David Schmidt

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May 4, 2015, 10:40:41 PM5/4/15
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On 5/4/2015 9:16 PM, Steven Hirsch wrote:
> On 05/04/2015 08:51 PM, Michael J. Mahon wrote:
>> Steven Hirsch <snhi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 05/03/2015 09:09 PM, Nootrac90 wrote:
>>>
>>>> As an owner of a //c I am interested in the Smartport Virtual Hard
>>>> Drive as
>>>> shown on this page: http://pcedric3.free.fr/SmartportVHD/
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, Cedric has disappeared from view for the past couple of
>>> years. I had heard rumors of health issues, but nothing definite.
>>>
>>> As an alternative, you might want to look at:
>>>
>>> http://www.bigmessowires.com/macintosh-floppy-emu/
>>>
>>> which, despite the URL, is being enhanced to emulate Apple 2 drives as
>>> well. It's a real product that's really shipping and the designer, Steve
>>> Chamberlin, is engaged and responsive.
>>
>> Is it already Apple II-capable, or should I wait?
>> Or maybe it's field-upgradeable...?
>
> [...] Steve is working on 5.25" support.

Oh, my. Good luck with that for anything beyond simple nibble-level
support. It's all fun and games until someone tries spiral tracking.
Or assumes Disk II firmware. Or wants automatic DOS vs. ProDOS sector
order discrimination. Or... or... or...

SuperNewbie

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May 5, 2015, 12:23:28 AM5/5/15
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>
> Besides, I'd prolly get manhandled by the TSA getting onto any sort of
> transportation between here and there.
>
> -uso.

That might be OK if the TSA agent is cute

Jeff Blakeney

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May 5, 2015, 11:13:18 AM5/5/15
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On 04/05/2015 8:19 PM, Bill Buckels wrote:
> I regret it forever each year, but since I am not one of the truly faithful,
> my wife would never allow me to miss our family time. Different for you
> guys... you were part of it and you don't live far and away.
>
> I would do it anyway someday if I had more real money, but the expense
> especially with the rate of exchange compared to $CDN makes this affordable
> only to the Americans and the truly faithful at this time.

I live a couple hours drive northwest of Toronto and I have gone seven
or eight times. Even with the exchange rate it wasn't too bad. Cost me
just over one week of my take home pay to drive down and attend. The
year I flew down was a different story as it cost me more than double that.

I didn't think I would get the time off from work this year as I've
switched to day shift with all the most senior employees but I did get
the time off. Unfortunately, I've been dipping into my overdraft
protection every month since Christmas and I don't see me getting ahead
until the beginning of July so I may not make it down this year.

oldjo...@gmail.com

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May 5, 2015, 12:06:29 PM5/5/15
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I will try FB first. I may take you up on your offer later if that proves fruitless. It was $34.00 most of which was shipping. I realize it's hard to judge the mood of someone posting but I assure you I'm not really stressed about this just a little disappointed. If it was made clear that the store owner was away I would have attempted getting the disks elsewhere first.

Bill Garber

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May 5, 2015, 6:09:12 PM5/5/15
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"David Schmidt" <schm...@my-deja.com> wrote in
message news:mi9ah8$8kh$1...@dont-email.me...
Last I tried it, there was only 3.5" .2mg with ProDOS sector ordering
support. As far as 5.25" goes, he should stick with .NIB support as
David said so eloquently, anything else will be just horrendously hard.

I'd be happy if it could do DOS vs. ProDOS sector order discrimination,
but that's a lot of work. It would be easier to change them with Ciderpress
so you can read them with whatever he is capable of working out.

I would be happy if it just worked like a hard drive, since the IIc would
be the most needed place for it. A single 32MB image or even two
would be all that's needed on a IIc. Of course, this is coming from a
guy fortunate enough to have several 3.5" Unidisk drives. Now, if it
was possible to make them Unidisk 1.44MB drives. LOL

Bill Garber - I love my
C1 D0 D0 CC C5 A0 C9 C9 C7 D3
http://www.sepa-electronics.com


Bill Buckels

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May 5, 2015, 6:48:28 PM5/5/15
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<oldjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I may take you up on your offer later if that proves fruitless. It was
>$34.00 most of which was shipping.

The shipping from here can go lettermail, so it's not even worth worying
about.

Bill


Steven Hirsch

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May 5, 2015, 9:02:58 PM5/5/15
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On 05/05/2015 06:10 PM, Bill Garber wrote:

> I would be happy if it just worked like a hard drive, since the IIc would
> be the most needed place for it. A single 32MB image or even two
> would be all that's needed on a IIc. Of course, this is coming from a
> guy fortunate enough to have several 3.5" Unidisk drives. Now, if it
> was possible to make them Unidisk 1.44MB drives. LOL

It's worth sending your wish-list to Steve Chamberlin. You can hop on his web
site and leave messages or ping him directly. He is very engaged with this
project and would probably implement anything within reason. The device
already emulates a 20SC (20Meg) hard drive for older Macs, so probably no
reason it couldn't serve as a generic, large SmartPort block device.



Bill Garber

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May 5, 2015, 9:22:19 PM5/5/15
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"Steven Hirsch" <snhi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7pOdnZUb4Mnc9dTI...@giganews.com...
He and I have already been in email contact, so I have his address,
and I can send him my wishes for the project at any time. Since he
is very into getting the floppy emulation going, I will let him be until
he gets closer to that.

I've had 4 failed projects in a little over a month, and I'd hate to make
him work too fast and have it happen to him, too. One of mine is very
involved in time and money, so, I don't like to push others, KWIM???

Christopher G. Mason

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May 5, 2015, 9:49:53 PM5/5/15
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On 5/5/2015 6:10 PM, Bill Garber wrote:
> I would be happy if it just worked like a hard drive, since the IIc would
> be the most needed place for it. A single 32MB image or even two
> would be all that's needed on a IIc. Of course, this is coming from a
> guy fortunate enough to have several 3.5" Unidisk drives. Now, if it
> was possible to make them Unidisk 1.44MB drives. LOL

Smartport mass storage emulation is on the "to-do" list.

Steven Hirsch

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May 6, 2015, 7:53:28 AM5/6/15
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On 05/05/2015 09:23 PM, Bill Garber wrote:

>> It's worth sending your wish-list to Steve Chamberlin. You can hop on his
>> web site and leave messages or ping him directly. He is very engaged with
>> this project and would probably implement anything within reason. The
>> device already emulates a 20SC (20Meg) hard drive for older Macs, so
>> probably no reason it couldn't serve as a generic, large SmartPort block
>> device.
>
> He and I have already been in email contact, so I have his address,
> and I can send him my wishes for the project at any time. Since he
> is very into getting the floppy emulation going, I will let him be until
> he gets closer to that.
>
> I've had 4 failed projects in a little over a month, and I'd hate to make
> him work too fast and have it happen to him, too. One of mine is very
> involved in time and money, so, I don't like to push others, KWIM???

Unfortunately, yes I do... I have about a dozen projects in my queue, but
only one bench and limited time and funds. I'm always impressed by folks like
Steve who can grab on to a thread and stay with it.


Bill Buckels

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May 23, 2015, 4:27:08 PM5/23/15
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<oldjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I placed an order for ProDOS master disks, the store processed my payment
>but my order is still considered "pending". I used the store form to ask
>if there was a problem and I haven't heard back.

Just so everyone knows, I sent oldjo...@gmail.com the following APDA
master disks that were once available from Sydicomm at no charge, including
no charge for postage last week. While I have yet to hear from
oldjo...@gmail.com I am assuming he got the disks he needed. These were
sent via Canada Post Letter Mail:

1. APDA Apple II System Disk Version 4.0.2 (Version 3.2 on back)
2. APDA DOS 3.3 System Master For Apple II, II+, and IIe

I also included the following additional disk which was also available at
one time from Syndicomm:

3. Apple IIe Telecom Starter Kit (Sydicomm TM) (includes Modem.Mgr,
Shrinkit...)

4. I also included a COPYIIPLUS disk in my "care package" to
oldjo...@gmail.com

>Looking at the rest of the site it's kind of a mess. Is this store even
>open?

Unfortunately, after due consideration, I think it is time to look at a
distributed model, let's say by year's end. Most of us have the ability to
make disk copies. We don't need to depend on someone in a foreign country
who takes orders but doesn't deliver.

I would like to hear from others on this. I have only afew sets of APDA
disks and Telecom Starter Kits left, and then I will need to start making
copies to send out instead of originals that I purchased from Sheppy years
ago, should the need arise again. Since I am not subject to US Fair Use
guidelines and this likely falls under Fair Dealing I am not really worried
about sending out copies of anything from Sydicomm, since apparently these
are restricted to US domestic orders only, which contavenes NAFTA, but it
saddens me to see this continue to occur.

Just so everyone knows, this time around (see above) I sent original product
as a "gift" hoping Tony Diaz will eventually realize this isn't working for
everyone. I must also say that Tony doesn't ignore me so I am bewildered...
and I am not so stupid as to think there is any money in making disk copies.

Thanks.

Bill Buckels




uyjulian

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I don't think syndicomm is even active anymore. I got a copy of Opus ][ The
Software thanks to this guy. (and I've been using ORCA/C out of it.)

Syndicomm pretty much is dead, don't bother.

--
~uyjulian

Sean Fahey

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On Saturday, May 23, 2015 at 3:27:08 PM UTC-5, Bill Buckels wrote:

> Just so everyone knows, I sent oldx...@xxxxx.com the following APDA
> master disks that were once available from Sydicomm at no charge, including
> no charge for postage last week. While I have yet to hear from
> oldj...@xxxxx.com I am assuming he got the disks he needed. These were
> sent via Canada Post Letter Mail:

The APDA disks you sent, or rather their contents, are freely distributable from Apple. The charge is a convenience fee for copying the disks. No harm, no foul.

oldjo...@gmail.com

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Just to follow up publicly. I got the disks in yesterday's mail. I'm very grateful to Bill for helping me out. I'd gladly extend the same service to others on comp.sys.apple2 as well.

Just to give a rundown of what happened with Syndicomm.

- Placed order on April 21st
- Waited a week. Noticed my order was still marked as "pending". Used the contact form. Replied to the automated email.
- May 5th - PM'd Tony Diaz on FB
- May 17th - email from Syndicomm updating my status to "processing"

I should call VISA can get the charge removed.

Bill Buckels

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"Sean Fahey" <a2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>The APDA disks you sent, or rather their contents, are freely distributable
>from Apple. The charge is a convenience fee for copying the disks. No harm,
>no foul.

The OP ordered over a month ago and still didn't receive what he paid for.
The freight charge was excessively expensive, so I don't see much convenient
about any of this:) Except for the fact that it was incredibly convenient
for me to throw some disks in the mail since I live in a small town and need
to pick-up my mail at the Post Office where I mailed these, so I had to go
there anyway.

Apparently it isn't convenient for Tony, and that's just the way it is.
We've been watching this happen for some time now. Try to buy MS-DOS
sometime:) It's all just old junk except to us.

The one that really got me was when I asked IBM to let me freely distribute
their PC Storyboard Version 1.1 with my ClipShop utility and they refused.
At least Apple lets APDA stuff continue to be distributed. It may not seem
like much but it's better than some.

Bill




Bill Buckels

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<oldjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I should call VISA can get the charge removed.

Or just hang-on to the extra disks when you get them:) I think it's more
trouble than what it's worth.

I should say though that I haven't noticed any lack of generosity in csa2...
but this business of taking payments and then people don't get their stuff
seems a little wonkey and at odds with what the rest of the guys do. It's
just something I think we should fix.

Bill


gid...@sasktel.net

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On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 6:57:36 PM UTC-6, Bill Buckels wrote:
What really gets me is that most of these people still attend K'fest, so they are obviously still apple enthusiasts.

What gives?

Bill Buckels

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<gid...@sasktel.net> wrote:
>What really gets me is that most of these people still attend K'fest, so
>they are obviously still apple enthusiasts.
>What gives?

Kfest is just a social event.

Suffice to say that they are just people, not perfect, and it's only a
hobby. You and I can do what we want... nobody would ever stop us from
having our own fun. It's only Syndicomm's fragile existence that troubles me
because that's where APDA and other cool resources reside, like Orca.

Bill




gid...@sasktel.net

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On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 3:08:32 AM UTC-6, Bill Buckels wrote:
Ah! I see. The game has changed for them then. It is no longer about the thrill of the technology, it has become a topic for their social lives.

I can see how their conversations go now.

"How much did you make by ripping people off this year?"
"This one sucker paid me 4 years ago and I still haven't given him anything"
"These old vintage users are so naive and gullible. They'll give you money in the hopes you will build them a piece of hardware that will work with their old obsolete computer. And they will wait patiently years in the hope they will finally get it."

Sean Fahey

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On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 7:48:16 PM UTC-5, Bill Buckels wrote:

> The OP ordered over a month ago and still didn't receive what he paid for.
> The freight charge was excessively expensive, so I don't see much convenient
> about any of this:) Except for the fact that it was incredibly convenient
> for me to throw some disks in the mail since I live in a small town and need
> to pick-up my mail at the Post Office where I mailed these, so I had to go
> there anyway.

Glad you were able to help the guy out. My only real point is that the software is supposed to be freely available anyway. The convenience fee for copying and shipping... well, I'm not a fan of that either.

Sean Fahey

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On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 8:13:49 AM UTC-5, gid...@sasktel.net wrote:

> "How much did you make by ripping people off this year?"

Who is 'them' because AFAIK, we're only talking about one person/company with a fulfillment problem. All the other vendors I'm aware of in our community are timely and responsible with their customers.

Also, how does this all tie into KansasFest?

Sean Fahey

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On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 4:08:32 AM UTC-5, Bill Buckels wrote:

> It's only Syndicomm's fragile existence that troubles me
> because that's where APDA and other cool resources reside, like Orca.

IMO opinion (it's just that) the APDA stuff should be out in the wild, freely available.

If the situation with ORCA and other Byte Works resources bothers you, complain to Mike Westerfield -- it's his decision on how his stuff is distributed. An e-mail address for him is on this page: http://www.byteworks.us/Byte_Works/Support.html

gid...@sasktel.net

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gid...@sasktel.net

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On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 8:50:24 AM UTC-6, Sean Fahey wrote:
I have seen this come up at least twice in these forums for non-delivery, and the excuse was he was at Kfest or Ozfest, give him some time to deliver. This could ould have been a complaint against the same guy/company.

Just the same, when this type of topic dominates the forums, it does not bode well.

I have not yet visited Kfest, and still would like to. But when an event like this is less about the hardware and software and more about a social event with persons/companies just addressing present issues that having nothing to do with computers instead of revisiting old times, and is dominated by persons/companies that have not lived up to a healthy standard that keeps our community alive, sorry, but I just don't feel like going any more.

I guess I still look at Kfest and Ozfest more like a trade show with people sharing new ideas and dynamic products. But I just get the feeling these same people don't want to even hear the word "Apple" any more.

SuperNewbie

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May 28, 2015, 12:05:06 PM5/28/15
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It's probably a good idea to do so , perhaps Westerfield is simply not
aware that Syndicomm is a run like a shambles. I wen't to
http://www.byteworks.us/Byte_Works/Morgue.html where there is a link
back to Syndicomm (under The Apple ][ Collection). Not surprisingly the
Syndicomm page does not exist! Some of the other links do work, but I
would not recommend anyone orders something for them! One solution is
for someone more responsible to volunteer and take over Syndicomm. I
would hope that Tony Diaz would see that as a relief, but I have no
idea.

Sean Fahey

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May 28, 2015, 3:16:51 PM5/28/15
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On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 11:00:54 AM UTC-5, gid...@sasktel.net wrote:

>>>
I guess I still look at Kfest and Ozfest more like a trade show with people sharing new ideas and dynamic products. But I just get the feeling these same people don't want to even hear the word "Apple" any more.
<<<

Maybe you should attend KFest, because it's NOTHING like what think it is. Is it a social event? Hell yes -- practically an entire week of hard core Apple II enthusiasts sharing what they love most about the Apple II (by giving presentations), programming, hacking, sharing info, trading and giving away equipment, making new friends... and on the next to last day, we have a vendor fair -- some vendors show up but it's mostly people cleaning out their closets and selling off books, software and peripherals they don't want/need any more. Sometimes new hardware or software is announced, but it's hardly the focus. It's Disneyland for Apple II enthusiasts and *nothing* like a trade show.

OzKFest is the same. People united by a common interest getting together to share and have a good time.

These events have nothing to do with any one person or vendor -- it's all about the community.

Sean Fahey

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gid...@sasktel.net

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> These events have nothing to do with any one person or vendor -- it's all about the community.

My point exactly.

The only reason I brought up Kfest was to show that persons who attend are both still A)an Apple enthusiast and want to be part of the community and B)not seriously hurt and in a hospital and are quite capable of replying to emails and going to the post office to deliver an order.

So, stop making excuses for these people. Defending abusers who take someone in the community's money and does not deliver makes you no better than they are.

You are part of the problem and soon there won't be no community left since new members are being taken advantage of.

Sean Fahey

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On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 11:06:34 PM UTC-5, gid...@sasktel.net wrote:

>>>
So, stop making excuses for these people. Defending abusers who take someone in the community's money and does not deliver makes you no better than they are.

You are part of the problem and soon there won't be no community left since new members are being taken advantage of.
<<<

Feel free to re-post anything, from anywhere in this thread where I've made excuses for anyone or defended 'these people' for taking other peoples money. You apparently have me confused with someone else.

Also, I'm still at a loss as to who 'these people' and 'abusers' are, which implies there's more than one -- as far as I've read, at least recently, the complaints have been about one person's business in particular - Syndicomm. Are there others?

gid...@sasktel.net

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May 29, 2015, 10:13:22 AM5/29/15
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You know how to use a search engine, don't you? Just type in "non delivery" and you will find two cases that are recent by two different businesses.

Sean Fahey

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On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 9:13:22 AM UTC-5, gid...@sasktel.net wrote:

>>>
You know how to use a search engine, don't you? Just type in "non delivery" and you will find two cases that are recent by two different businesses.
<<<

You chose poorly when you claimed I was supporting Syndicomm (and whomever else) by making excuses for abusers and that I was part of the problem. The burden of proof is on you because I DID NO SUCH THING. In actuality, I recommended a way for people to get in touch with Tony Diaz via IRC when e-mail wasn't working out for them.

You also suggested that community events like KansasFest are trade shows where vendors collude to rip off people. Here, I'LL QUOTE YOU:

>>>
I can see how their conversations go now.

"How much did you make by ripping people off this year?"
"This one sucker paid me 4 years ago and I still haven't given him anything"
"These old vintage users are so naive and gullible. They'll give you money in the hopes you will build them a piece of hardware that will work with their old obsolete computer. And they will wait patiently years in the hope they will finally get it."
<<<

And that irked me, because no one does or says stoopid crap like that at KansasFest, or OZKFest or any other community event. You shouldn't have associated any of these events with a bad vendor, period.

gid...@sasktel.net

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May 29, 2015, 4:48:02 PM5/29/15
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You ARE part of the problem until you stay on topic.

roughana

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On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 10:20:04 AM UTC+10, oldjo...@gmail.com wrote:
> Looking at the rest of the site it's kind of a mess. Is this store even open?

The short answer is yes.

Things have been progressing behind the scenes:
"I'm mostly done with porting the whole thing over to WooCommerce, so that
all of my online sales are running on the same platform, and can be managed from one place."

Regards,
Andrew



roughana

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On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 2:05:06 AM UTC+10, SuperNewbie wrote:
> I went to http://www.byteworks.us/Byte_Works/Morgue.html where there is a link
> back to Syndicomm (under The Apple ][ Collection).
> Not surprisingly the Syndicomm page does not exist!

The Internet moves. Pages change.

> Some of the other links do work.

2 out of 3 work.


wss...@gmail.com

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No. This is totally not an excuse for failing to deliver paid product.

Bill Buckels

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<wss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>No. This is totally not an excuse for failing to deliver paid product.

That's for sure! And we have no way of knowing how many times this has
happened. There is no excuse that anyone rational can honestly accept.

Another thing for sure is that it's even easier to provide free copyrighted
software on the internet as it is to steal money on the internet. Tony and
his accomplices (the people who are selling their products through him) had
best wake-up to this fact and quit blaming others for their screw-up.

I helped out this time and I did so legally. I'm sick of hearing about this.
Syndicomm either needs to be completely fixed or taken down. I won't accept
any other solutions.

I will have syndicomm taken down completely if I ever hear of this happening
again, in case any of you didn't read between the lines on my several posts
in this matter, and you will be surprised who is supporting me in this
initiative.

We are all more than disappointed in Tony. In any case, he has until the end
of 2015 to either fix sydicomm or take it down. If anyone wants to pass the
message on go ahead. I have better things to do than waste my time further
on this mess.

Bill



Bill Buckels

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"Sean Fahey" <a2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>If the situation with ORCA and other Byte Works resources bothers you,
>complain to Mike Westerfield -- it's his decision on how his stuff is
>distributed.

I don't need to complain to anyone Sean. Mike Westerfield will have no
choice in the matter if Tony doesn't either get Sydicomm fixed or take it
down himself before the end of this year. I will have the site taken down if
this doesn't happen, so Mike will either need to find a new home for Orca or
it won't be a problem.

You KansasFest people had best explain this to your friends, and then take
time to explain this to Tony in no uncertain terms. I can be very effective
when I need to be. Surely you must realize this.

You can bicker with Rob if you like. Since you see Tony in person, your time
would be better spent fixing your American brother, than arguing with my
Canadian brother ("brother in arms" that is).

Bill


Sean Fahey

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On Saturday, May 30, 2015 at 3:30:08 AM UTC-5, Bill Buckels wrote:

> You KansasFest people had best explain this to your friends, and then take
> time to explain this to Tony in no uncertain terms. I can be very effective
> when I need to be. Surely you must realize this.

Us KansasFest people won't be explaining anything to anyone. KansasFest and Syndicomm are *not* affiliated.

> You can bicker with Rob if you like. Since you see Tony in person, your time
> would be better spent fixing your American brother, than arguing with my
> Canadian brother ("brother in arms" that is).

I don't know if I'll see Tony in person this year or not. AFAIK, he hasn't registered. It doesn't really matter to me, because we're not really on the best of terms. I believe in personal responsibility, so I won't be fixing anyone but me.

Bill Buckels

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"Sean Fahey" <a2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Us KansasFest people won't be explaining anything to anyone. KansasFest and
>Syndicomm are *not* affiliated.

If Tony shows-up you are:) At least give him the gears if he does show up:)

>I believe in personal responsibility, so I won't be fixing anyone but me.

I believe in spanking adults when they are bad. But then I live in a social
democracy and not a republic, and don't belive in the right to bear arms,
just the right to spank bad adults.

I admit to accepting responsibility for myself however. Usually that's bad
enough.

ttyl

Bill


oldjo...@gmail.com

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May 31, 2015, 12:23:24 AM5/31/15
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I'm cool that the site is in transition but it shouldn't be accepting orders. As they're not getting fulfilled. That's the distinctive difference between a store that is "open" and one that is not.

Sean Fahey

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On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 3:48:02 PM UTC-5, gid...@sasktel.net wrote:

> You ARE part of the problem until you stay on topic.

OK Rob, I apologize. Pretty sure you and I are more in alignment on the original issue of Syndicomm than not. I just didn't care for the casual association of Syndicomm and KansasFest -- that's the source of my frustration.

oldjo...@gmail.com

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On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 5:46:52 PM UTC-4, oldjo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just to give a rundown of what happened with Syndicomm.
>
> - Placed order on April 21st
> - Waited a week. Noticed my order was still marked as "pending". Used the contact form. Replied to the automated email.
> - May 5th - PM'd Tony Diaz on FB
> - May 17th - email from Syndicomm updating my status to "processing"

So today (12:50 in the morning) I got an email from Syndicomm asking if I really wanted to ship this by UPS and to apologize for the time.

I've asked to cancel my order and have my money refunded.

Steve Nickolas

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Jun 1, 2015, 3:15:42 PM6/1/15
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That's a month, a week and what, 4 days?

Sounds excessive for turnaround to me even if it is just one person.

Especially when he does seem to be moderately active on his IRC channel.
>_>

-uso.

K-K00L

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>
> Especially when he does seem to be moderately active on his IRC channel.
>> _>
>
> -uso.

Its just a question of priorites.

Steve Nickolas

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On Mon, 1 Jun 2015, K-K00L wrote:

>>
>> Especially when he does seem to be moderately active on his IRC channel.
>>> _>
>>
>> -uso.
>
> Its just a question of priorites.

That it is, and when your priorities are screwed up to the point that it's
so much as to say people think you're ripping them off, there's trouble.

I don't think that's what Tony means to do, but it comes off that way, and
if he gets a bad rap, well, I don't really think there's anyone else to
blame for it.

-uso.

gid...@sasktel.net

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No worries. For the record I just want to clarify that I only mentioned Kfest to show that if Tony was present, then it shows he was capable of mailing a package or sending an email stating the delay and not in the hospital, ill, or a death in the family.

If my mentioning either of the names created an association then I too take blame for some of the mix-up.

oldjo...@gmail.com

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On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 8:20:04 PM UTC-4, oldjo...@gmail.com wrote:
> I placed an order for ProDOS master disks, the store processed my payment but my order is still considered "pending". I used the store form to ask if there was a problem and I haven't heard back.
>
> Looking at the rest of the site it's kind of a mess. Is this store even open?

...and now it seems I'm waiting for him to respond to my request to cancel and refund my order. It's coming up on two weeks now.

Bill Buckels

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<oldjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>...and now it seems I'm waiting for him to respond to my request to cancel
>and refund my order. It's coming up on two weeks now.

Caveat Emptor. It's a lucky thing you complained in here; at least you got
boot disks. At least only a small amount of money is tied-up and there was
an easy quick-fix in your case to solve your immmediate problem.

It only takes a few minutes to send a paypal money transfer; we do it all
the time, so there is obviously no excuse for type of treatment.

Thanks for the update.

Bill


K-K00L

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There was some kind of problem with the guy running it, but you have to
be on Facebook to know what it is, so I could not tell you. Apparently
it's in some Apple group over there.

Charles

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The Some Apple Group in Facebook is called: Apple II Enthusiasts. C'mon in, the water's fine :)

K-K00L

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>
> The Some Apple Group in Facebook is called: Apple II Enthusiasts. C'mon
> in, the water's fine :)

On Facebook users...
"They 'trust me'. Dumb fucks." - Mark Zuckerberg

Wish it was on a different site.

Sean Fahey

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On Monday, June 15, 2015 at 11:41:09 AM UTC-5, K-K00L wrote:

> Wish it was on a different site.

Do what a bunch of other people do -- log-in using a disposable e-mail account, and use bogus personal data.

oldjo...@gmail.com

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Just to wind things up. I got a n email today from FlyingThingZ which I guess is the other company Tony runs stating that my money has been refunded.

K-K00L

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Yeah, but has it? :-)

K-K00L

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Jun 17, 2015, 10:46:30 AM6/17/15
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I guess I am mistaken, but I could have sworn they ask for a phone
number to text message in order set up an account, or is that just
Google I am thinking of?

SndHack

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Jun 17, 2015, 8:50:38 PM6/17/15
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Has anyone had success for the downloadable products? In particular the Opus ][ The Software download version.

Is the process automated (ie once you purchase is the download link generated automatically?) or does it require manual intervention by the owner of the website?

K-K00L

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On 2015-06-17 14:46:29 +0000, K-K00L <K-K...@nomail.com> said:

> On 2015-06-16 13:56:15 +0000, Sean Fahey <a2...@hotmail.com> said:
>
>> On Monday, June 15, 2015 at 11:41:09 AM UTC-5, K-K00L wrote:
>>
>>> Wish it was on a different site.
>>
>> Do what a bunch of other people do -- log-in using a disposable e-mail
>> account, and use bogus personal data.
>


Just had a coder friend from our local users group try to join the
Apple II enthusiasts group on Facebook. He got immediatly banned by the
admin of the group, just for trying to join, he never posted or saw the
group, heck he has never been on Facebook before and joined simply to
check out the group. As it was the only info they had , he said that it
might have been because of his ethnic user name, which comes from an
African American martial arts star who is his hero. Could have been
coincidence of course, I am sure being white is not a requirement for
the group, or is it? Too many little fiefdoms on Facebook for my taste,
as there is no way to contest things like this, little racist worms can
easily hide.

David Jones

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Jul 8, 2015, 5:39:38 PM7/8/15
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Hmm after reading this, I'll have to try to join that group and see what happens.

I would hope it wasn't something racist or bigoted. But who knows. Nonsense crap is why I hardly ever get on Facebook.

Michael Black

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Jul 8, 2015, 6:52:45 PM7/8/15
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I know nothing of facebook.

But since your friend just joined facebook to join this newsgroup, could
it be that? They don't want people without a history (kind of like ebay)
to prove some general level of whatever. If he had been on facebook all
along, maybe there is some history there that shows. Otherwise, they
might think he's just some guy making up a name now to get in.

The alternative is that he doesnt' fit their standards. Maybe it's an
exclusive club, and you have to be a "somebody" to get in.

Michael

K-K00L

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Jul 8, 2015, 8:27:48 PM7/8/15
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Hard to say Michael about the Facebook, but remember, you can JOIN ebay
without a history. The whole thing seemed ridiculous to me, I mean it
should be a welcoming group, it's not like you can't ban someone if
they start harrasing or acting the fool once they are approved , so
welcoming new members should be a priority (no matter their
ethnicity!?! ). I can't forget the fact that he just joined Facebook
which shows they knew nothing of him (other than his ethnicity , and
simply blocked him for trying to join. He told me he tried to find out
who the administrator was, but being blocked there were no links or
anything. I think he has since closed his Facebook account out of
frustration, as he only wanted to check out the group. I have not tried
to get on Facebook, but Facebook (like google) is basically in the
business of selling your private information, so I rather avoid them !
;-)

roughana

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Jul 8, 2015, 8:47:02 PM7/8/15
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Subject changed to something more appropriate.

On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 5:54:27 AM UTC+10, K-K00L wrote:
> On 2015-06-17 14:46:29 +0000, K-K00L <K-K...@nomail.com> said:
>
> > On 2015-06-16 13:56:15 +0000, Sean Fahey <a2...@hotmail.com> said:
> >
> >> On Monday, June 15, 2015 at 11:41:09 AM UTC-5, K-K00L wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wish it was on a different site.
> >>
> >> Do what a bunch of other people do -- log-in using a disposable e-mail
> >> account, and use bogus personal data.
>
> Just had a coder friend from our local users group try to join the
> Apple II enthusiasts group on Facebook. He got immediatly banned by the
> admin of the group, just for trying to join, he never posted or saw the
> group, heck he has never been on Facebook before and joined simply to
> check out the group.

This was a spam avoidance measure. There are many accounts created that then attempt to join groups purely for posting spam messages. If the user had some history on FB it would have provided cause for pause.

Also, I don't think Sean was advising the use of a fake name.

Regards,
Andrew


K-K00L

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Jul 8, 2015, 9:07:34 PM7/8/15
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So, your the administrator that blocked the account?

David Jones

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Jul 8, 2015, 9:11:40 PM7/8/15
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I can sure understand the SPAM avoidance measure. Seems like those spammer accounts infect, or try to, every forum.

K-K00L

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Jul 8, 2015, 9:22:27 PM7/8/15
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On 2015-07-09 01:11:39 +0000, David Jones <djon...@gmail.com> said:

> I can sure understand the SPAM avoidance measure. Seems like those
> spammer accounts infect, or try to, every forum.

I guess we are assuming that Andew was the one who blocked the account
when he posted here that was the motive for doing so? I did not know he
was the administrator for Apple II group on Facebook. Andrew?

Steve Chamberlin

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Jul 8, 2015, 11:20:33 PM7/8/15
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On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 6:22:27 PM UTC-7, K-K00L wrote:
> I guess we are assuming that Andew was the one who blocked the account
> when he posted here that was the motive for doing so? I did not know he
> was the administrator for Apple II group on Facebook. Andrew?

I'm a member of the Apple II Facebook group (along with about 2000 other people). According to the member list, the group's admins are:

Matt Jenkins
Peter Neubauer
Ken Gagne
Javier A. Rivera

Hope this helps.

Peter Neubauer

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Jul 9, 2015, 1:17:04 AM7/9/15
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On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 8:20:33 PM UTC-7, Steve Chamberlin wrote:
> I'm a member of the Apple II Facebook group (along with about 2000 other people). According to the member list, the group's admins are:
>
> Matt Jenkins
> Peter Neubauer
> Ken Gagne
> Javier A. Rivera
>
> Hope this helps.

I didn't reject your friend's membership, so I can't speak to the specifics. But I know the other admins and can assure you that racism had nothing to do with it.

Admins of any group have a tough job filtering spam, and there are a lot of spammers on Facebook. Spammers often create new accounts with no history for the sole purpose of joining groups and posting spam. Also, very few martial arts stars are interested in the Apple II, and celebrity names are more likely spammers. Combined, the admin likely concluded that your friend's request was another fake account from another spammer.

Sometimes the admins make mistakes. Please ask your friend to send a private message to any of the group admins, and I'm sure this problem can be resolved.

-Peter

wss...@gmail.com

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Jul 9, 2015, 1:35:24 AM7/9/15
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Having already proven that we are a bunch of unwelcoming jerks, if you'll just beg a little bit we'll consider allowing you into our presence (but you'll be on probationary status until you've licked enough boots to make us like you)

David Jones

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Jul 9, 2015, 8:50:24 AM7/9/15
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On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 1:35:24 AM UTC-4, wss...@gmail.com wrote:
> Having already proven that we are a bunch of unwelcoming jerks, if you'll just beg a little bit we'll consider allowing you into our presence (but you'll be on probationary status until you've licked enough boots to make us like you)

They don't seem like unwelcoming jerks to me. Just trying to keep the spammers out. In this case they made an honest mistake with a new account that had no or little friends and activity.

K-K00L

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Jul 9, 2015, 11:01:56 AM7/9/15
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>
I asked my friend if he got an email or whatever on Facebook before the
ban, and he said no. Does facebook not have something where you email
the admin to join? Or if not, if the admin is going to spend the time
to checkout your profile, check your timeline etc., would it not be
much easier to simply send the applying person an email saying
something like , "hey tell me a bit about your interest Apple II stuff
, because we get spammers", then simply approve them when you get a
reasonable response. This idea of banning for life and blocking all
access to the group (and the email of the admins) to any new Facebook
user for commiting the crime of simply applying to the group is brain
dead. I appreciate Steve's response of telling me the names of the
admins, but I doubt my friend is going to be able to weed out those
names to the actual people on Facebook, some are really common names.

K-K00L

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Jul 9, 2015, 11:03:26 AM7/9/15
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LOL.

Jeff Blakeney

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Jul 9, 2015, 5:58:18 PM7/9/15
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Well you'll certainly gain lots of friends with an attitude like that! :)

Seriously, though, I've never seen anyone be this rude or negative on
the Apple II Enthusiats group (with the possible exception of responses
to spammers).

I skim through the group every day but I'm not a fan of web based
message systems and the Facebook system is one of the worst as there is
no way to track what you've already read and no easy way to find things
again if you want to reread something. There isn't even a search
function that I've seen. You can only use your browser's "Find" menu
item to search on whatever you have loaded into memory.

wss...@gmail.com

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Jul 9, 2015, 7:42:21 PM7/9/15
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I have a Facebook account for the purpose of seeing posts by two people, who are my only Facebook friends. I have never posted myself and have no activity. Obviously had I made the mistake of trying to join the group, I would have been instantly banned. Now I know not to make the mistake of trying.

Bill Buckels

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Jul 10, 2015, 1:30:44 AM7/10/15
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One way around licking boots is to produce enough working programs for the
Apple II that demonstrate a serious interest. Then there can be no question
that you are a real person, and not afraid of doing some real work to have
some fun with the Apple II. The downside of taking this route is that you
actually need to learn something and spend some real time doing so, so I
can't recommend this for someone just wanting to take a casual glance.

As for FaceBook groups; they are a really crappy interface for threads. A
person can't search a thread by date or topic. Usenet and Google Groups are
a better bet. FaceBook prioritizes based on popularity and recent posts, so
the Apple II Enthisiasts group can be spammed with pictures of the latest
ebay auctions or someone's idea of a neato picture of a MacIntosh computer
or something seemingly unrelated. There is nothing that anyone can do to
change that since it's a social network. You just play the same game to get
your stuff on there and if someone else is interested it sorts to the top.

As for the moderators, they are extremely tolerant and believe in free
speech and opinion sharing. Discrimination is based on judgement tempered
with compassion and a recognition that we are all simply human inclusing the
moderators. Like usenet, people drop by and post for awhile, then dissapear
for awhile (or forever). Nothing is perfect except for Sheldon Simm's NTSC
conversion palette.

Bill







Bill Buckels

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Jul 10, 2015, 1:40:53 AM7/10/15
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<wss...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:56377f64-a557-498f...@googlegroups.com...
>Obviously had I made the mistake of trying to join the group, I would have
>been instantly banned. Now I know not to make the mistake of trying.

As long as you keep in touch from time to time and keep coaching me on my
graphics converters, I'm ok with that. I'm still (quietely) working towards
the perfect converter... but it gets tedious posting so I'm waiting until
the fall-time to show my hand:)

Your work is under-appreciated, and was even by me until I was ready for it,
and I am as eccentric as you are when it comes to stuff I don't like. The
AppleWin NTSC stuff was brilliant too. I wish Michael was around to finish
the integration. I am patiently waiting for that too.

FaceBook is crap, but at least we have usenet to pick-up the slack. If you
wanted to join the FaceBook group, you'd be welcomed I'm sure. But I am sure
they don't miss either of us:)

Bill






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