Partitioning a SCSI drive to be ProDOS/MAC
Frank Steven Gimenez
What is the procedure for setting up a SCSI hard drive so that it can be
booted on a Apple //e with the High Speed card, and still have a bootable
partition for the Mac. I use my Apple //e at home but use macs at work and
I would like to use one hard drive to store all of my information between
the two computers.
Apperenty, this is not an easy procedure. I've called around and got the
following responses.
Apple: 1-800-SOS-APPL
(They now have a REAL support team, and they will answer Apple II
questions.
They will even answer Apple III and Lisa questions. Give 'em a call right
now and test it out. Or put it in your rolodex. 1-800-SOS-APPL, skip
the touch-tone questions, and wait for a voice operator)
I called the first time and the guy said that the SCSI HD utility that
comes with the Disk Tools disk on the mac's system disks would work fine.
I called it again, and a different person told me that it wouldn't work.
Quality:
The person told me that it couldn't be done. But if I found a way, send
them the info so that they could publish it.
Alltech:
The tech person said that it could be done but it required third party mac
formatting software, either Hard Drive Toolkit by FWB (they make Hammer
drives) or SilverLining (Both EXPENSIVE programs, when saving money is what
I'm trying to do). Said that he could do it for me if I sent him my drive,
for a fee. But he also said that I could use a modern version of Copy II+
to do a low level format. I have verson 9.0. BTW, is there a way I can
get v9.1?
You guys:
You tell me. What do you think?
Do I need to buy an Apple SCSI drive or will any SCSI drive do?
I have access to mac's Apple HDSC Setup program, and there is a option for
formatting 10 MB ProDOS, Maximum Macintosh (Which is what I want). The guy
from Apple also said that only the LC will recognise it if it had the //e
card because it has special circuitry. Will this program work for me?
I also have Copy II+ v9.0 and the SCSI utility that came with the high
speed SCSI card. The guy from Altech said not to use the SCSI Utility.
and finally, which is better: EasyDrive or ProSel 8?
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Frank M. Lin
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>What is the procedure for setting up a SCSI hard drive so that it can be
>booted on a Apple //e with the High Speed card, and still have a bootable
>partition for the Mac. I use my Apple //e at home but use macs at work and
>I would like to use one hard drive to store all of my information between
>the two computers.
It should be possible. On the Mac side, for a HD to boot, I believe it
needs to find a valid formatted partition + a valid driver for it.
On the //e side, you need a valid ProDOS partition with bootable block.
>Apperenty, this is not an easy procedure. I've called around and got the
>following responses.
Not terribly hard neither.
>Apple: 1-800-SOS-APPL
>(They now have a REAL support team, and they will answer Apple II
>questions.
Cool! Let me jot that down...
> [..]
>I called the first time and the guy said that the SCSI HD utility that
>comes with the Disk Tools disk on the mac's system disks would work fine.
>I called it again, and a different person told me that it wouldn't work.
The DiskTools probably only have drivers for Apple's mechanisms; that's
why you need 3rd party utilities like HDT (awesome!), SilverLining
(supposely good), and others to provide the appropriate driver.
>Quality:
>The person told me that it couldn't be done. But if I found a way, send
>them the info so that they could publish it.
I've been meaning to do a SCSI mini-FAQ too, but I think some one else
have one started already.
>Alltech:
>The tech person said that it could be done but it required third party mac
>formatting software, either Hard Drive Toolkit by FWB (they make Hammer
>drives) or SilverLining (Both EXPENSIVE programs, when saving money is what
Expansive, but very good programs (atleast HDT). Maybe you can find a Mac
friend who owns a copy, and borrow it to do the formatting.
>I'm trying to do). Said that he could do it for me if I sent him my drive,
>for a fee. But he also said that I could use a modern version of Copy II+
>to do a low level format. I have verson 9.0. BTW, is there a way I can
>get v9.1?
//e + Apple SCSI combination, the best utility should be Chinook SCSI
utilities.
>You guys:
>You tell me. What do you think?
>
>Do I need to buy an Apple SCSI drive or will any SCSI drive do?
Majority of SCSI drives work with Apple HS SCSI. You just need to find
the Mac driver so it'll boot/mount on the Mac (you should be able to
find a drive for any SCSI HD in existence).
But best to stick to a popular brand (quantum, conner, maxtor, seagate...
etc), to make things easy.
>I have access to mac's Apple HDSC Setup program, and there is a option for
>formatting 10 MB ProDOS, Maximum Macintosh (Which is what I want). The guy
>from Apple also said that only the LC will recognise it if it had the //e
>card because it has special circuitry. Will this program work for me?
If you can locate a copy of HDT, than I can tell you the procedures
(it's the only one I've worked with, and it can to some low-low-level
stuff).
Basically you select the driver for the HD, and partition it. Than you
format it... :-)
>I also have Copy II+ v9.0 and the SCSI utility that came with the high
>speed SCSI card. The guy from Altech said not to use the SCSI Utility.
Try to find a copy of Chinook SCSI utility.
>and finally, which is better: EasyDrive or ProSel 8?
Dunno, every body raves about ProSEL 8|16, haven't heard much about
EasyDrive.
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Dan Crutcher
That's a no-brainer: ProSel by several miles.
Jay Krell
>What is the procedure for setting up a SCSI hard drive so that it can be
>booted on a Apple //e with the High Speed card, and still have a bootable
>partition for the Mac. I use my Apple //e at home but use macs at work and
>I would like to use one hard drive to store all of my information between
>the two computers.
for a Mac and II also happens to make it bootable on the Mac. If you have
an Apple hard drive, just format it with Advanced Disk Utils on a IIGS and
put a Mac partition on it. If you have a non-Apple drive, you need to 1>
get a Mac driver from some Mac utilities which is difficult for the
non-programmer or 2> get the Mac driver out of Advanced Disk Util
which is easy if you have Rez, Derez, and a shell, which is mostly just
programmers.
>I have access to mac's Apple HDSC Setup program, and there is a option for
>formatting 10 MB ProDOS, Maximum Macintosh (Which is what I want). The guy
>from Apple also said that only the LC will recognise it if it had the //e
>card because it has special circuitry. Will this program work for me?
with Apple drives unless you get the non-crippled version included with
A/UX and 2> It is not special circuitry in the LC that lets it access ProDOS
volumes, but the ProDOS File System init (aka "extension") that you can
get from the IIe card software on ftp.apple.com.
I've never used EasyDrive, but Prosel-16 is great.
`:wq
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