Source Code to Merlin 16+ For the Apple ][ GS

[michael...@gmail.com]

Does anyone know if the merlin 16+ assembly language source code was ever released? If so where can I download it in emulator format. .2mg?

[D Finnigan]

michaelcain2005 wrote:
> Does anyone know if the merlin 16+ assembly language source code was ever
> released? If so where can I download it in emulator format. .2mg?
>

When Mr. Bredon died, all his software was released for free to the public
by his widow. For the majority of his work, this was A-OK. However, Merlin
had been published by Roger Wagner, so there was a question as to whether
Merlin could be freely given away at that point.

I'm not sure what the result of this all was. This all happened over a
decade ago, and I only got into the Apple II world in 2004. If you search
this newsgroup for merlin + bredon + wagner, you should get the results.

Here's some:

http://macgui.com/usenet/?group=2&id=18626
http://macgui.com/usenet/?group=1&id=178911

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[Charlie]

On 10/19/2013 4:41 PM, D Finnigan wrote:
> michaelcain2005 wrote:
>> Does anyone know if the merlin 16+ assembly language source code was ever
>> released? If so where can I download it in emulator format. .2mg?
>>
>
> When Mr. Bredon died, all his software was released for free to the public
> by his widow. For the majority of his work, this was A-OK. However, Merlin
> had been published by Roger Wagner, so there was a question as to whether
> Merlin could be freely given away at that point.
>
> I'm not sure what the result of this all was. This all happened over a
> decade ago, and I only got into the Apple II world in 2004. If you search
> this newsgroup for merlin + bredon + wagner, you should get the results.
>
> Here's some:
>
> http://macgui.com/usenet/?group=2&id=18626
> http://macgui.com/usenet/?group=1&id=178911
>

The original poster asked specifically about the availability of the
Merlin 16+ source code. The actual programs are at:

http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/USA2WUG/Glen.Bredon.In.Memoriam/A2.Software/

The file Merlin.GS.BXY contains the program plus a lot of source code
that may or may not be what he is looking for. I'm not sure what
"Merlin GS" is but there seems to be a lot of modules for instance
"Merlin.GS:Ed.16.S" that sure look like part of the source code.

There is also a file named Merlin16.BXY but unfortunately it will not
open with CiderPress. Probably corrupted.

Charlie

[D Finnigan]

Charlie wrote:
>
> The original poster asked specifically about the availability of the
> Merlin 16+ source code.

Are you saying that Merlin 16+ wasn't published by Wagner?

[Charlie]

No that's not what I meant. In fact I used Merlin 16+ for many years
and I legally purchased it through Roger Wagner's company.
All I was doing in my overly verbose way was point the original poster
to what might be what he wants.
I am also saying now, since you brought it up, that Wagner never
published the *source code*.

The only thing I am absolutely positive about when it comes to the legal
ramifications of downloading, using and/or making derivative works from
that source code is that no one else on this earth knows either.

Charlie

[Sean Fahey]

On Saturday, October 19, 2013 10:32:45 PM UTC-5, Charlie wrote:

> The only thing I am absolutely positive about when it comes to the legal
> ramifications of downloading, using and/or making derivative works from
> that source code is that no one else on this earth knows either.

We could ask Roger Wagner. He's accessible.

I think we'll find that Roger Wagner Software was just Glen's distributor and that he retained the rights to his software.

[tada...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, October 19, 2013 12:42:01 PM UTC-7, michael...@gmail.com wrote:
> Does anyone know if the merlin 16+ assembly language source code was ever released? If so where can I download it in emulator format. .2mg?

Not desiring to really get into this NG again here's the info on it all - I drove to visit Anna (his Widow) at her home 700 miles to get all of his programs for all apple models with their complete src. codes and at my request Anna released all of it to PUBLIC DOMAIN (that means anybody can do whatever they wish with all of it). Roger Wagner did publish it in the distant past for Glen but Roger had no ownership nor distribution contract for it. I took Glens personal computer and all of his disks back home with me making copies of all of it putting it all online for download and when Anna came up to my home in Laytonville on one of her trips to Northern California with her friend I gave her his computer and all his disks and all of Glens photos back to her then. She posted on CSA2 that thanks to me she made all of it public domain. You will find her post in the history of CSA2 if you doubt any of this. If any of it online is now corrupt if you ask me by snail mail for any of it I still have it all.

It's all online for your download needs. if you want my snail mail info you can email me asking for it.
To: tada...@gmail.com

I will not make any more post or replies to this newsgroup!

Tom Turley

[Sean Fahey]

On Saturday, October 19, 2013 11:46:04 PM UTC-5, Sean Fahey wrote:

> We could ask Roger Wagner. He's accessible.
>
> I think we'll find that Roger Wagner Software was just Glen's distributor and that he retained the rights to his software.

Clarification: I meant Glen retained his rights to his own software.

[Steven Hirsch]

On 10/20/2013 12:47 AM, tada...@gmail.com wrote:

> It's all online for your download needs.

That's not completely correct. Over the years there have been many bits and
pieces I've looked for in vain. Whether or not you care to participate in the
community, it would be a nice gesture to post a complete collection for others
to sort through.

How large is the entire tarball?

[drk...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, October 19, 2013 3:42:01 PM UTC-4, michael...@gmail.com wrote:
> Does anyone know if the merlin 16+ assembly language source code was ever released? If so where can I download it in emulator format. .2mg?

http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/USA2WUG/Glen.Bredon.In.Memoriam/A2.Software/

See if this does it for you.

Ken
www.Apple2Online.com

[Antoine Vignau]

The latest update to Merlin 16+ was performed by Richard B.
That was a long time ago too,
av

[Steven Hirsch]

Among the more conspicuous absences from the public release of Glen Bredon's
sources is the package that let you run DOS 3.3 apps under ProDOS (I forget
what it's called).

There's also a SYS file that let you use memory on a Ramworks style card as
disk cache. Never seen that either.

If anyone has these, would appreciate a private note.

Steve

[Steve Nickolas]

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013, Steven Hirsch wrote:

> On 10/24/2013 05:19 PM, Antoine Vignau wrote:
>> The latest update to Merlin 16+ was performed by Richard B.
>> That was a long time ago too,
>> av
>
> Among the more conspicuous absences from the public release of Glen Bredon's
> sources is the package that let you run DOS 3.3 apps under ProDOS (I forget
> what it's called).

DOS Launcher?

-uso.

[David Schmidt]

DOS.MASTER
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOS.MASTER

[Steve Nickolas]

Yeah, my bad.

I really need to try to implement that "DOS 3.3 API on ProDOS 8
filesystem" hack.

-uso.

[michael...@gmail.com]

Hi,

thank you for the link. do you know what I should look for on here? I'm looking for the Merlin 16+ 4.12 source code. Do you know what I should look for?

Thank you in advance.

[Steven Hirsch]

Yup, that's the one. Mssr. Turley either didn't get a complete image or
hasn't released everything.

[michael...@gmail.com]

Hi,

Do you know if v4.12 of Merlin 16+ source code was released or 4.08 of the source was released?

Thank you in advance.

[Antoine Vignau]

Another Michael?
av

[D Finnigan]

Antoine Vignau wrote:
> Another Michael?

Who is looking for source code? And who wants a .2MG???

[Antoine Vignau]

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[Steven Hirsch]

On 10/24/2013 08:58 PM, michael...@gmail.com wrote:

> thank you for the link. do you know what I should look for on here? I'm
> looking for the Merlin 16+ 4.12 source code. Do you know what I should look
> for?

Harry Potter returns.

[David Schmidt]

No, no. You're thinking of Michael Hardy.
http://youfailit.net/?p=49

[michael...@gmail.com]

who's this Michael Hardy?

[Just Me]

Ian thinks it's you.

[michael...@gmail.com]

Hi, sorry but why would it be me? and who is lan? My first name is Michael, my last name is Cain. I do not understand. and who is Michael Hardy? I've never heard of him. I'll do a search on him. I'm using a Macintosh with Sweet16 Installed. I have an Apple GS for sale. It's in it's box. I grew up with the Apple Computers. I'm an apple fan. I remember back in the day when the Apple's Came out. That was good times. I'm a 16 bit type of guy. Now they got all of these Stupid MicroSoft Windows Versions. I'm use to using Macintosh OS X 10.8. I'll google this Michael Hardy. It seems that he is not liked. But this is not me. I can prove my name is legit.

[Sean Fahey]

On Sunday, October 27, 2013 1:12:34 PM UTC-5, michael...@gmail.com wrote:

> I can prove my name is legit.

It's over. You were lazy and didn't cover your tells very well. A GMail account doesn't provide anonymity.

[michael...@gmail.com]

man your screwed in the head lol. Prove I'm this Hardy dude. I can prove I'm not by my id.

[Sean Fahey]

On Sunday, October 27, 2013 2:03:47 PM UTC-5, michael...@gmail.com wrote:

> I can prove I'm not by my id.

You may already have resources, but just in case:

http://dmh.mo.gov/opla/pubs/wheretogo.htm

[gid...@sasktel.net]

Nobody has to prove anything. You are welcome to stick around IF (a big IF) you have something to contribute to the community. Just quit asking for source code.

[michael...@gmail.com]

Hey, Shean or whatever your name is. I'm not interested in your missouri department of health. By the way, I'm going to report you to google for slander, false accusations and anything else that I can use against you. You do not know me and I am not this Hardy jerk, whoever he is. You jump to conclusions and maybe you should check yourself into a metal hospital. From what I have read about this hardy guy he is a pirate of software which in many cases uses open source, so if people don't want him stealing their products then I suggest they don't release their source code's. But try to prove it in a court of law the judge will just tell you the same thing I've said. I know, my dad is a judge in Florida and he handles cases like this. But leave me alone I have done nothing wrong. I am reporting you to google. have a nice day Mr. Shean.

[michael...@gmail.com]

I see nothing wrong with asking for source code to an obsolete operating system. I'm not this hardy guy. I will have things to contribute in the near future. Right now I'm in the Middle of creating a game for the Macintosh called Solitaire Kings. I'm a Mac Guy not a Windows Person and what I've read about this Hardy guy is that he pirates windows games which all appears to be open source. There is no law against using other people's source code as long as he doesn't decompile or reverse engineer the executable to obtain the source code. I bet that's why he's never been prosecuted because what he is doing is not illegal.

[Tempest]

>>what I've read about this Hardy guy is that he pirates windows games which all appears to be open source. There is no law against using other people's source code as long as he doesn't decompile or reverse engineer the executable to obtain the source code. I bet that's why he's never been prosecuted because what he is doing is not illegal.

You seem to be awfully defensive of a guy you claim to have never heard of before.

I swear I'm not this guy, but from what I've read he seems like a fine upstanding individual that doesn't do anything wrong and we'd all be lucky to have as a friend. But I swear I'm not this guy. Honestly!

>> I will have things to contribute in the near future.

Just as soon as I figure out how to plaster my name all over it.

[Egan Ford]

On 10/28/13 2:26 PM, michael...@gmail.com wrote:
> I bet that's why he's never been prosecuted because what he is doing is not illegal.

Source code does not guarantee the right to "derivative" works. I say
"derivative" because Mr. Hardy adds no value to said works, just claims
credit for the work.

Each plagiarized release from Mr. Hardy may or may not violate the
copyright of each plagiarized target. One would have to make that
determination on a case-by-case basis.

To prosecute/sue an individual for stealing others work, you usually
have to show some type of damages (but not required). Damages is how
you fund lawsuits as well (copyright enforcement is usually a civil
matter). The age and relevance of the plagiarized code isn't
significant enough for the copyright holder to care enough for the
expense and time of pursuing Mr. Hardy, and IMHO, it is the real reason
he has not been sued.

Copyright holders can probably pursue a DMCA take-down of the
plagiarized works if they violate the copyright.

[osgeld]

>I'm a Mac Guy not a Windows Person

oh well, geez that must make you a saint

>and what I've read about this Hardy guy is that he pirates windows games which all appears to be open source.

Lemmins GS was neither windows or open source, he got ahold of it by showing up out of no where beg spamming for souce code, which is exactly your MO

>There is no law against using other people's source code as long as he doesn't decompile or reverse engineer the executable to obtain the source code.

Yes there are leagle binding licences that tell you exactly what you can and can not do with open source software, maybe you should read them sometime, every OSS project has them, and if they do not its automatically "ALL RIGHTS RESERVED" no matter if the author put it out into the public domain or not.

>I bet that's why he's never been prosecuted because what he is doing is not illegal.

I bet its more along the lines of that he doesnt have the balls to do something big, and there's not too many people defending source code for a decade + old program they wrote when they were a kid.