Apple IIc+ and self diagnostic
CyberDez
I just purchased an apple IIc+ on eBay and doing the usual key combination
on reset to activate the diagnostic it ends with a "System OK" but in the
middle of text screen filled of garbage characters: is it normal for the
IIc+? I remind well that on the IIe enhanced the "System OK" message was on
a clear black background ... :-?
Thanks in advance
CyberDez
aiia...@gmail.com
may be bad. Maybe someone
else will know which chips on
the board this corresponds to.
Try memory test program (not
built in test) and maybe it will
tell you if the RAM is bad.
Rich
Mitchell Spector
Odd as it is, that is completely normal. I had the same concern when I
first picked up an Apple IIc Plus about a decade ago. If you want to run a
more extensive diagnostic (on any Apple II model for that matter) you may
want to try the "Apple II Diagnostics" that was used by authorized Apple
dealers. It came on a 3.5 floppy and automatically detected which Apple II
model it was running on, changing the test options to correspond to that
particular machine.
Mitchell Spector
CyberDez
Thank you VERY much for the info! Now I'm quite sure my machine is not
broken as I feared... :-)
A diagnostic disk like the one you mentioned would be a really good thing to
have handy expecially when dealing with vintage computers but where can I
find it? Making back the bootable disk from a disk image would not be a big
problem. There are also two other disks I am desperately looking for:
- Zip Chip Utilities
- Dalton Disk Disintegrator rev. 2.1 or higher
Any idea where can I found them? Until now my searches over the net produced
no useful results... :-(
Best regards and thanks again!
CyberDez
SloppyMagoo
I have a disk labeled "ZipGS Utilities Version 1.2" that came with my
ZipGS.
Not quite what you state below, but would you be interested in a copy?
Thanks,
Joe
Jeff Blakeney
wrote:
>I have a disk labeled "ZipGS Utilities Version 1.2" that came with my
>ZipGS.
>
>Not quite what you state below, but would you be interested in a copy?
I doubt it will do him any good as the ZipGS is an accelerator card
for the IIgs and he has a IIc+. The IIc+ has the equivalent of a Zip
Chip built into it (replacement chip for the 6502 processor) so he is
looking for the 8 bit Zip Chip utilities.
--
Jeff Blakeney - Dean of the Apple II University in the
Apple II Community on Syndicomm.com
CUT the obvious from my address if you want to e-mail me
CyberDez
Il 12-05-2005 8:27, nell'articolo
1115879255.1...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "SloppyMagoo"
<joes...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> Hey there!
>
> I have a disk labeled "ZipGS Utilities Version 1.2" that came with my
> ZipGS.
>
> Not quite what you state below, but would you be interested in a copy?
Maybe it will not works on my IIc+ but it could too... :-)
You can send me the .dsk or .2mg disk image at this address (scrambled for
avoid spamming).
powerdez...@tiscali.spasmtop.it
Strip down "spamstop" and "spasmtop" to have the correct one.
Thanks in advance: I will tell you if it works on the IIc+ or not
Best regards
CyberDez
Sean Fahey
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>
> Maybe it will not works on my IIc+ but it could too... :-)
>
It won't. You really need the disk that comes with the 4/8MHz Zip Chip. The
software is the same for both the 4 and 8 MHz versions.
Bill Garber
"Sean Fahey" <a2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: "CyberDez" <spamming....@msn.com> wrote in message
I email'd it to him just now. He should be good to go.
CyberDez: Let me know how it works for you, and if you
have actually received it. Good Luck.
Apple II Forever, Apple II Together
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Mitchell Spector
>> Odd as it is, that is completely normal. I had the same concern when I
>> first picked up an Apple IIc Plus about a decade ago. If you want to run a
>> more extensive diagnostic (on any Apple II model for that matter) you may
>> want to try the "Apple II Diagnostics" that was used by authorized Apple
>> dealers. It came on a 3.5 floppy and automatically detected which Apple II
>> model it was running on, changing the test options to correspond to that
>> particular machine.
>
>Hello Mitchell,
>Thank you VERY much for the info! Now I'm quite sure my machine is not
>broken as I feared... :-)
>A diagnostic disk like the one you mentioned would be a really good thing to
>have handy expecially when dealing with vintage computers but where can I
>find it? Making back the bootable disk from a disk image would not be a big
>problem.
At this point, to prevent it from disappearing forever, I may as well
archive it and upload it to both the Ground and Asimov FTP sites.
Although it's on a 3.5 disk, I do remember being able to move the
files to a 5.25 so I could run it on my Apple IIe and IIc.
It's actually called "Apple IIxx Diagnostic, V3.0" (where xx is model
it's running on). It uses the AppleWorks style interface. Since it was used
by Apple techs, it's not surprising it's the most extension diagnostic tool
available. At least from what I can recall.
>There are also two other disks I am desperately looking for:
>
>- Zip Chip Utilities
I think I have that somewhere, but would have to do some digging. I
remember it working on the IIc Plus as there is a hardware equivalent
of the 4 MHz Zip Chip built-in (Apple actually licensed the technology).
FYI: You can slow down to 1 MHz operation by holding down the ESC
key when cold-booting the IIc Plus, or with an Apple-Control-Esc-Reset
combination key press.
>- Dalton Disk Disintegrator rev. 2.1 or higher
I have Disk Disintegrator Deluxe 5.0, the final version. It originated
from here (Montreal, Canada) so it's only fitting I should have a copy. :)
I have some of the older versions, such a 4.2a.
Mitchell Spector
Bill Garber
"Mitchell Spector" <mitc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I wouldn't mind a copy of DDD 5.0, if you'd be so kind as to email it to me.
Thanks,
Mitchell Spector
>"Mitchell Spector" <mitc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>: CyberDez <spamming....@msn.com> wrote:
>: >Hello Mitchell,
>: >Thank you VERY much for the info! Now I'm quite sure my machine is not
>: >broken as I feared... :-)
>: >A diagnostic disk like the one you mentioned would be a really good thing to
>: >have handy expecially when dealing with vintage computers but where can I
>: >find it? Making back the bootable disk from a disk image would not be a big
>: >problem.
>:
>: At this point, to prevent it from disappearing forever, I may as well
>: archive it and upload it to both the Ground and Asimov FTP sites.
>: Although it's on a 3.5 disk, I do remember being able to move the
>: files to a 5.25 so I could run it on my Apple IIe and IIc.
>:
>: It's actually called "Apple IIxx Diagnostic, V3.0" (where xx is model
>: it's running on). It uses the AppleWorks style interface. Since it was used
>: by Apple techs, it's not surprising it's the most extension diagnostic tool
>: available. At least from what I can recall.
>:
>: >- Dalton Disk Disintegrator rev. 2.1 or higher
>:
>: I have Disk Disintegrator Deluxe 5.0, the final version. It originated
>: from here (Montreal, Canada) so it's only fitting I should have a copy. :)
>: I have some of the older versions, such a 4.2a.
>
>I wouldn't mind a copy of DDD 5.0, if you'd be so kind as to email it to me.
I've uploaded both Disk Disintegrator Deluxe 5.0 and Apple II Diagnostic,
compressed as SHK archives, to the ground FTP site. For the time being,
until they're sorted, you can download them from here:
ftp://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/upload/
I also made DSK and 2MG disk image files and uploaded them to Asimov
for people out there using emulators.
Mitchell Spector
Bill Garber
: "Bill Garber" <will...@comcast.net> wrote:
:
: >I wouldn't mind a copy of DDD 5.0, if you'd be so kind as to email it to
me.
:
: I've uploaded both Disk Disintegrator Deluxe 5.0 and Apple II
Diagnostic,
: compressed as SHK archives, to the ground FTP site. For the time being,
: until they're sorted, you can download them from here:
:
: ftp://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/upload/
:
: I also made DSK and 2MG disk image files and uploaded them to Asimov
: for people out there using emulators.
:
: Mitchell Spector
Thanks, but you can't download from their UPLOAD folder.
I always make them into 1440K images and write them to disk
with CiderPress and read them with the Superdrive. I'll get
them once moved to download folders.
Mike OMalley
> "Bill Garber" <will...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I also made DSK and 2MG disk image files and uploaded them to
> Asimov for people out there using emulators.
Thanks for doing this Mitchell - that's 2 more pieces of Apple ][ history
and software preserved.
Actually, I just checked, and on Asimon, the DSK version of the Diagnostic
disk was not there - just the 2MG and the SHK.
Hope you can upload the DSK as well, for those of us who cannot use SHKs,
DSKs, or 2MG files.
All the best,
Mike "Moose" O'Malley
____________________________________________________
Moose's Software Valley - Established July, 1996.
WEB: http://move.to/moose
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PZ
disks, maybe 20 of them, that are filled with $DD archives of 140k
floppies. I remember how upset I was when ShrinkIt first came out and
became the defacto standard... since I knew I'd have to rearchive all
of them. I'm sure I'll get around to it some day. Or maybe I should
just upload them to asimov and watch eveyone with emulators whine for a
change.
- Paul
Although I don't think I ever got up to v5.
ground.ecn AppleII Librarian
Mitchell Spector <mitc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Bill Garber" <will...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I've uploaded both Disk Disintegrator Deluxe 5.0 and Apple II Diagnostic,
>compressed as SHK archives, to the ground FTP site. For the time being,
>until they're sorted, you can download them from here:
>
>ftp://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/upload/
>
anonymous users do not have read access to upload, unfortunately.
The files are in apple2/apple8/Utils/
ftp://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/apple8/Utils/
Thanks Mitchell!
--Steve
--
--Steve (appl...@ground.ecn.uiowa.edu)
Matthew Russotto
PZ <skie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Wow, thats a blast from the past. I still have a box full of 800k
>disks, maybe 20 of them, that are filled with $DD archives of 140k
>floppies. I remember how upset I was when ShrinkIt first came out and
>became the defacto standard... since I knew I'd have to rearchive all
>of them. I'm sure I'll get around to it some day. Or maybe I should
>just upload them to asimov and watch eveyone with emulators whine for a
>change.
I reverse-engineered the DDD format a while back, actually, so emulator
users wouldn't have to whine for long before someone wrote a utility.
You don't happen to have a DDD version of that damaged pre-release Moonmist on
the Asimov archive, do you? It was compressed with DDD, damaged, then
uncompressed and uploaded at some point. I think I could recover it
from the damaged DDD file.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
Ed Eastman
Thankx,
Ed
ground.ecn AppleII Librarian wrote:
> anonymous users do not have read access to upload, unfortunately.
> --Steve
Craig Bower
> IIc+? I remind well that on the IIe enhanced the "System OK" message was
> on
> a clear black background ... :-?
Hi CD,
Here's a few pictures of my IIC+, notably one after a succesful "System OK"
self test.
http://www.turbo-2.com/apple/#tcp
The extra random characters on the screen is a result of a completely
different self-test routine in ROM on the IIc+ than that in the //e ROM.
It's perfectly normal.
Congrats on the IIc+ purchase, by the way! :)
Later,
Craig
PZ
luck finding it.
- Paul
CyberDez
I wish to thanks all the members of this forum that provided me the infos
and the software I needed for my Apple IIc+
Every diagnostic test has been passed succesfully and the hard task was only
to have Shrinkit up and running but luckily I've found on the net a .dsk
image with the executables on it and all gone well.
Transferring disk images with MacADT was really easy.
To handle the Apple II disk images on the Mac I used the excellent ADFS.
Regards, and THANK YOU very very much again! :-)
CyberDez
Lockar
Hey, I want spiffy neatly colored Apple //e!!! LOL
Cool pics! :D
-Lockar
In article <t8dhe.63291$tg1.32634@edtnps84>, Craig Bower
Craig Bower
news:270520051721153291%loc...@locutus.DOTorg...
>
> Hey, I want spiffy neatly colored Apple //e!!! LOL
>
> Cool pics! :D
>
> -Lockar
Heh, Hi Lockar,
A screwdriver, primer, spray paint and access to cleaning facilities
(bathtub)
are all you need to make any //e "shine" - Just wait till I get a power
supply
and keyswitches for my "orange" (no pun intended) Apple //e! :) Currently,
it's hanging on the wall in my computer room, looking somewhat like a
priceless Warhol missing a keyswitch.
Once it's complete, I'll update the page and add "orange" Apple pictures!
Also have to add the WOZ IIgs and the "Irish Bastard" as I like to call
my apple II europlus I recently acquired. Why the mean name? It was
originally assembled in Ireland, and sports a few genetic differences from
my apple II plus that was built in the USA.
Later,
Craig
Lockar
Trust me, I mine would never come out so good. I don't see to be any
good when it comes to painting (anything). How long does it take you
to do each machine?
-Lockar
In article <I4Ole.13970$9A2.8593@edtnps89>, Craig Bower
Craig Bower
>
> Trust me, I mine would never come out so good. I don't see to be any
> good when it comes to painting (anything). How long does it take you
> to do each machine?
>
> -Lockar
Hey,
At the price of a "new" project //e on ebay, you can afford to munge
up a lot of paint jobs! :)
On average, the longest part of the repaint is the drying process. I'm
always dying to get my greasy little fingers on the case for reassembly
right before the paint actually tacks. So far, I've shown restraint and
let them dry long enough. It's a really simple process, pull case lid,
unscrew bottom panel, and sometimes, unmount the keyboard from
the case. Sometimes, the keyboard is mounted on a "pedestal" style
of bracketry from the pan. Then it's a matter of poking a jeweler's
screwdriver through the case lid to remove the "apple //e" emblems.
Give it a thorough cleaning with soap and water, allow it to completely
dry and then begin priming, wait for it to tack, prime another coat, then
let it completely dry. Apply color, lightly and evenly for the first coat,
then give it enough additional coats to bring the color out and hide the
yellowed beige case color. Let that dry, and during that time, clean
the mobo, pan, keyboard, keycaps, etc. Then reassembly is quick,
painless, and usually improves the wall you hang the computer on! :)
Paint runs are not really a major concern in the paint job as you can have
a tack rag or hell, even paper towel handy to blot up any runs in the
paint before they tack. The rough texture of the case allows for a
lot of second chances during the painting process.
Later,
Craig
Michael J. Mahon
Contrary to expectations, I've found that diagnostic disks are seldom
of much use to Apple users. A RAM test is a good thing to have, but
few of them will cycle continuously waiting for the occasional error,
which is a common form of RAM failure. Most other tests are done as
well or better by simply using the machine.
The truth is that Apple II's are very reliable, and if they don't work,
they usually don't work enough to run a diagnostic. ;-)
Perhaps it is best to think of most diagnostics as "confidence tests"
that simply make you feel better by not finding anything obviously
wrong. But again, the real test of a machine is whether it works
predictably and reliably in normal use.
If a machine begins to behave inconsistently, then it's time to stop
and think about it, then try simple "substitutions" to diagnose the
cause of the problem. (Like using a different disk drive if you are
having disk problems.) When you can "move the problem" by moving a
component, you have localized the failure.
Again, thankfully, a working machine seldom develops problems more
severe than a flaky power supply, a dirty disk head, or an oxidized
connector or chip lead.
An important exception is a machine which constantly has cards and
devices inserted and removed. This is an opportunity for carelessness
which can lead to chip damage that can be much trickier to locate.
-michael
8-voice music synthesizer using NadaNet networking!
Home page: http://members.aol.com/MJMahon/
Bill Garber
"Michael J. Mahon" <mjm...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Michael, as usual your logic is impeccable. I have had 2 such machines,
which were not running good enough to run any tests. After many swaps
of components to determine the failures, only 1 of them was working.
Sad to say, the one I couldn't fix was a clone. You know the one, The
Viking. A rare find indeed, it would have been nice to have gotten it
running, but time only allows so much work to be done on any one machine,
so out it goes. :o(