I'll be at KansasFest 2010 - but you won't know me by sight :)
sfahey
Re: I'll be at KansasFest 2010 - but you won't know me by sight :)
By: Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet to comp.sys.apple2 on Thu Nov 19 2009 09:46 pm
> I finally decided to attend the entire event and to meet all of the
> SPECIAL A2 folks.
> It would be so nice to see Rubywand there too.
>
> Cheers!
> Tom
Sure, come on out. The more the merrier.
Sean Fahey
www.a2central.com
bbs.a2central.com
justahobby
Internet <tada...@gmail.com> said:
> I finally decided to attend the entire event and to meet all of the
> SPECIAL A2 folks.
> It would be so nice to see Rubywand there too.
>
> Cheers!
> Tom
not friggin dr. tom!
UNDEAD!
fu...@off.turdbag
of the Internet <tada...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I finally decided to attend the entire event and to meet all of the
>SPECIAL A2 folks.
>It would be so nice to see Rubywand there too.
>
>Cheers!
>Tom
Fuck off you vile piece of diseased dog shit.
Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet
Richard Bennett everybody! Richard Bennett!!!!
He knows how to make his feces fasination and his hate
known for sure.
Do let me know if you'll be attending KansasFest 2010 too.
If you are going - I'll surely need to hire a security guard.
With that flaming red hair - and your psycho-rave persona
- one never knowns what danger you might present to me when
we are both there.
Cheers!
Tom
IUnknown
<tadap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 29, 3:08 am, f...@off.turdbag wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:46:00 -0800 (PST), Saint Isadore Patron Saint
> > of the Internet <tadap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >I finally decided to attend the entire event and to meet all of the
> > >SPECIAL A2 folks.
> > >It would be so nice to see Rubywand there too.
>
> > >Cheers!
> > >Tom
>
> > Fuck off you vile piece of diseased dog shit.
>
> Richard Bennett everybody! Richard Bennett!!!!
> He knows how to make his feces fasination and his hate
> known for sure.
>
> Do let me know if you'll be attending KansasFest 2010 too.
> If you are going - I'll surely need to hire a security guard.
>
> With that flaming red hair - and your psycho-rave persona
> - one never knowns what danger you might present to me when
> we are both there.
>
> Cheers!
> Tom
Tom, you should give richard a break. Holding on to that hate for all
these years must have taken a real toll on his sanity.
Ya know what would be cool. If Nathan Mates could grace us with his
presence and proclaim us all to be mortal sinners. I hear he has
plenty of time on his hands since pandemic studios bit the dust ...
poor guy.
Mike
Michael J. Mahon
I just took a look at your blog--very nice!
You wrote, in part:
>At any rate, after a handful of successful disk image transfers, I
>loaded up the Apple /// Dealer Diagnostic disk. I�m not sure if the
>obvious issues with the color video modes are the fault of the Apple
>III or the monitor it�s plugged in to. I�ll need to dig further into
>that:
The problem with the color video test pattern shown is a problem with
the monitor and its sync levels, not with the Apple III.
-michael
NadaNet and AppleCrate II: parallel computing for Apple II computers!
Home page: http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon
"The wastebasket is our most important design
tool--and it's seriously underused."
RBF
<tadap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 29, 3:08 am, f...@off.turdbag wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:46:00 -0800 (PST), Saint Isadore Patron Saint
> > of the Internet <tadap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >I finally decided to attend the entire event and to meet all of the
> > >SPECIAL A2 folks.
> > >It would be so nice to see Rubywand there too.
>
> > >Cheers!
> > >Tom
>
> > Fuck off you vile piece of diseased dog shit.
>
> Richard Bennett everybody! Richard Bennett!!!!
> He knows how to make his feces fasination and his hate
> known for sure.
>
> Do let me know if you'll be attending KansasFest 2010 too.
> If you are going - I'll surely need to hire a security guard.
>
> With that flaming red hair - and your psycho-rave persona
> - one never knowns what danger you might present to me when
> we are both there.
>
> Cheers!
> Tom
I'm flattered that after 20 years, you still think every anonymous
flame must be from me. Sorry to burst your bubble cockhead, but I'd
care more about a shit stain in my toilet than randomly flaming a drug
fucked psychotic nobody, in a newsgroup from the 1990s that nobody
reads.
IUnknown
>
> - Show quoted text -
Mike, you are taking this waaaay to seriously. Most of the flaming,
spite and hatred came from the righteous brothers in that era
regardless....
Personally, I thought I was being funny... but I guess people are
still looking for someone to hate.
Mike
<mjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>Mike wrote:
>
>> http://6502lane.net
>
>I just took a look at your blog--very nice!
>
>You wrote, in part:
>
--<snip>--
>
>The problem with the color video test pattern shown is a problem with
>the monitor and its sync levels, not with the Apple III.
>
>-michael
>
>NadaNet and AppleCrate II: parallel computing for Apple II computers!
>Home page: http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon
>
>"The wastebasket is our most important design
>tool--and it's seriously underused."
Thanks for pointing that out! That will save me some time, I'm sure.
I'm glad you like the blog, too. I'll be adding more in the coming
days, I hope.
Mike Spurgeon
> I'm flattered that after 20 years, you still think every anonymous
> flame must be from me.
You have to admit, the writing style is the same...
Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet
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I got an email from Nathan Mates several years ago *(YES Ian there
really is
a sound god)* way back when I was on AOL only. He said in the email
to me
that he was sorry he had waged a hate war towards me and really
thought I did
a lot for the A2 world - even stimulating him to do a IIGS game
'Turkey Shoot'.
Nathan really isn't some bible slapper know it all. He's a great guy
that just
dislikes real software pirates. Even in that email to me saying I
wasn't the
grand software pirate like Joe proclaimed me. He said he didn't care
to establish
a friendly relation with me but, I could email him if I really needed
something
that he could do for me and if possible he would.
I'd LOVE to see Nathan posting here in CSA2land. I'm going to email
him and see
if he would like to go to KansasFest with me (all my treat of
course). Can you
just imagine; Nathan, Richard, myself and Rubywand all together live
at the 2010
KansasFest. Now that could be a really amazing event. Who knows
'Miracles may
Happen'.
Cheers!
Tom
Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet
>
> - Show quoted text -
We read it.
Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Mike, you are taking this waaaay to seriously. Most of the flaming,
> spite and hatred came from the righteous brothers in that era
> regardless....
>
> Personally, I thought I was being funny... but I guess people are
>
> - Show quoted text -
The Righteous Brothers were one of my all time FAVs. Nobody should
take
anything too serious. If you do it just eats away at you until
something
explodes. Being funny is the best thing you can give folks.
I don't hate anything or anybody now. I don't think Nathan has any
hate
left in him. He gave it up as did I -- thinking it to be harmful to
yourself.
But, Richard on the other end could flame and rant on forever and
never even
realize he's doing such. Nathan and Richard are both great
programming talents.
The two of them working on a program jointly (maybe even with Mister
Lee) helping
out on a few lines and functions --- oh what a beautiful dream.
Cheers & Apple ]['s forever!
Tom
Steven
Make sure that the Kansas National Guard is there. Hi Tom, long time. I
remember Nathan from his CalTech days, went to see him once many years ago.
--
The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today?
(c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, Inc., A Rot in Hell. Co.
Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet
I'll Email our fantastic president tomorrow and
advise him of the dates and where he should call
in the guards and declare marshal law and a curfew.
> Hi Tom, long time. I
> remember Nathan from his CalTech days, went to see him once many years ago.
I've never met Nathan in person but I'd love to. Maybe KansasFest
2010
will be a great place to meet. I hope I can get him to agree to come
to
it with me.
Cheers!
Tom
> --
> The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today?
> (c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, Inc., A Rot in Hell. Co.- Hide quoted text -
IUnknown
That whole era was kind of a sad joke. It was like watching family
members fight over the scraps of a worthless estate held by a relative
they didn't really know....
Anyone who felt that most A2 software should be classified as
'abandonware' was labeled as an evil pirate. Realistically, did anyone
REALLY think that EA gave a rats ass if I downloaded 'Bards Tale' for
IIe?
I/We never denied that what we were doing was technically copyright
infringement.... I freely admit to downloading and playing the
classics.... but I never went so far as to distribute/sell them, and I
willfully *purchased* software like GSoft basic from guys that were
actively selling it (MikeW!)
I was labeled as a 'pirate' even tough I really *never* pirated any
software that took money out of the hands of the guys that were
left.....
The guys from brutal deluxe even went so far as to dedicate an entire
web page to my activities, even though what they documented was a
complete bait job ... (running a phony ftp site on a 28.8k modem with
a trial earthlink account and posting the ip address to the csa2
newsgroup and watching joe kohn log in)
What I *was* advocating at the time was a more relaxed status for
'abandonware'... you know, software where the copyright owners don't
care, are dead or simply do not exist anymore...
Joe, Nathan and Richard felt that if the current copyright holder
couldn't be found and contacted for an AFFIRMATIVE release as
'abandonware', it should be labeled as off limits.
I saw the futility in this.... there was no way that EA, Interplay,
Origin, Apple, etc were EVER going to reclassify the software. The
lawyers would take one look at the request, laugh and throw it in the
round file.
So I took a different path, and tried to convey my message to Nathan,
Joe, etc.... to no avail.
Looking back on it all, I shouldn't have gotten caught up in the
negativity ....
Cest la vie I suppose....
Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet
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> - Show quoted text -
It was all a facinating time line for sure. Like nothing I've
encountered before or sense.
It was the best psychology research I could have ever learned about by
any other method.
Cheers!
Tom
b...@bob.us
as we know it, not 2012.
Toinet
>
> <cut cut>
>
> The guys from brutal deluxe even went so far as to dedicate an entire
> web page to my activities, even though what they documented was a
> complete bait job ... (running a phony ftp site on a 28.8k modem with
> a trial earthlink account and posting the ip address to the csa2
> newsgroup and watching joe kohn log in)
>
>
http://www.brutal-deluxe.fr/DrTom/
Just reactivated the webpage, not for flame, just for history.
Antoine
IUnknown
Very interesting read. I thank for for not labeling the page "Steve
Mentzer is a filthy pirate" as it was formerly titled.... :)
I am not one to defend Dr. Tom... then or now.... My beef was with
nathan and joe who went to great lengths to stifle a lot of people
still interested in the apple II.
The fact that Dr. Tom allegedly pirated a bunch of COMMERCIALLY
AVAILABLE AND SUPPORTED software is not in the same domain of interest
as people wanting to play apple blaster on the Apple II+ they just
pulled out of their grandmothers' basement.
All that being said, I am not terribly thrilled with my name being on
this 'historical' page either..... especially since you seem to
implicate that I willfully attempted to defraud you....
Toinet
>
> - Afficher le texte des messages précédents -
You know, the page is the exact copy of the one written in 1997, there
has been no change in it before I uploaded it this morning. I don't
know who was behind the IUnknown name as your message was not signed,
thanks to your message I know :-)
I don't want to let people know who was bad or good or whatever. As I
said, it is only for historical reasons I uploaded it this morning, I
can shorten the names, replace with *** or even remove the pages, it
is not of great interest.
But all I know is that the pages were towards Dr. Tom but not towards
you, it has never been titled the way you said. I remember the story
with Dr. Tom but with you, I have to admit I don't know what you were
accused of (is that the FTP site you mentioned earlier?), can you
refresh my memory?
Thank you,
antoine
Olivier ZARDINI
> Mentzer is a filthy pirate" as it was formerly titled.... :)
>
> this 'historical' page either..... especially since you seem to
> implicate that I willfully attempted to defraud you....
Hi,
As Antoine said, and I agree, this is history. It is part of the
past.
Nothing has been changed on the pages since then (12 years old !).
You were probably the wrong guy at the wrong place, but putting on
your FTP site the exact copy of Convert 3200 sent to Dr Tom few weeks
before, didn't help to make you as a hero four our point of view, at
the time we were selling it. The primary idea of this web page was to
deliver a full review of the story, including all first hand documents
(mails...). We have let everyone express his point of view, including
the answer you made at the time. As Antoine said, we can replace you
name with wildcard if it is really what you want. Not sure anyway that
anyone do care about this old story.
I don't think there is a link from Brutal Deluxe current Web site
to this page. There is no need for that nowdays.
Olivier
ps : I don't remember anything like "Steve Mentzer is a filthy pirate"
on the web page title.
barana
I have a question to dr tom.
I have no axe to grind, I was in highschool while this was happening.
And in another country
It just interests me,
Dr tom, did u ask these ppl to forgive u who you wronged all those
years ago? And
Have you received appropriate mental health care since.
Again my questions are unloaded, just interested in the response.
-daniel
Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet
> Wow that page is pretty heavy
> I have a question to dr tom.
> I have no axe to grind, I was in highschool while this was happening.
> And in another country
> It just interests me,
> Dr tom, did u ask these ppl to forgive u who you wronged all those
> years ago?
NO! I never did the things they claim I did so why should I ask them
to forgive me
for something I DID NOT personally do?
> And
> Have you received appropriate mental health care since.
Other than having a touch of old age dementia at 64 - I don't have any
mental
problems that need treating. Some folks say I'm crazy --- but, you
know how
misinformation gets twisted around on the Internet and especially on
CSA2. :)
> Again my questions are unloaded, just interested in the response.
> -daniel
Well, there you have it Daniel. Enjoy!
Cheers
Tom
Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet
If you want to teach history make sure it's not misinformation
like:
http://www.brutal-deluxe.fr/DrTom/
is full of.
Cheers!
Tom
wyeo
However, I have only a doubt that this "Tom" is the same Dr. Tom.
Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet
> 10 years later I can't believe what I am seeing.
>
> However, I have only a doubt that this "Tom" is the same Dr. Tom.
Oh but I am! Doubt no more. :)
Cheers
Tom
(Dr. Tom)
Charles T. Turley, Ph.D. (retired)
wyeo
> What I *was* advocating at the time was a more relaxed status for
> 'abandonware'... you know, software where the copyright owners don't
> care, are dead or simply do not exist anymore...
But in real world, the "status" interpretation would have been
overwritten by the respective countries' Copyright Laws.
Fundamentally, the government dictates to everyone (in their
respective juristriction) what can and cannot be allowed. Unless you
have monies to fight against the government throught the court
system ...
Unless you manage to get yourself a seat in the government, and pushed
for the laws to be changed, and have it successfully changed.
Not that I don't support your stance, a "reasonable sunset clause" in
Copyright Laws would be great, but we should all obey laws, no matter
how stupid they are at times.
> Joe, Nathan and Richard felt that if the current copyright holder
> couldn't be found and contacted for an AFFIRMATIVE release as
> 'abandonware', it should be labeled as off limits.
What I felt is, they are right. A person just can't [legally]
distribute without expressed permission. The law is written that way
to protect a copyright owner's interest.
> I saw the futility in this.... there was no way that EA, Interplay,
> Origin, Apple, etc were EVER going to reclassify the software. The
> lawyers would take one look at the request, laugh and throw it in the
> round file.
Likewise it os true, but eventually you may be able to find out
reasons why they block it, e.g. Intellectual Property Rights, Re-
release of the game, etc etc etc...
BUT .. you still get those who are willing and have agreed to
reclassify their software status to copyrighted freeware !
> So I took a different path, and tried to convey my message to Nathan,
> Joe, etc.... to no avail.
Unfortunately, there will always be the different camps in their
stance.
Respectfully, they are also correct in their stance; but I'd support
your clause to the extent of trying to get the governments to change
their laws.