Clicking GS
Frank Carney
Supertimer
>What is that GOD awful clicking noise when the IIgs is running GSOS?
That's how the Finder checks if there are disks in the 5.25 drives.
It is best to disable the 5.25 drives under GS/OS since you will
not be using them. Go to Preferences in the Finder and choose
the option to disable the 5.25 drive polling.
Frank Carney
Thanks
Frank Carney
Okay, I can't find the setting to disable the 5.25 inch drives. Is it
because I don't have any 5.25 disk drives hooked up?
Pim Blokland
<fra...@cyberhighway.net> wrote:
> > > What is that GOD awful clicking noise when the IIgs is running GSOS?
> > That's how the Finder checks if there are disks in the 5.25 drives.
> Okay, I can't find the setting to disable the 5.25 inch drives. Is it
> because I don't have any 5.25 disk drives hooked up?
If you haven't got any 5.25" drives, they can't click, can they?
And even if there were any 5.25" drives present, they wouldn't click. I'm
afraid Supertimer is pulling your leg: the clicks would come from 3.5"
drives only. And only the UniDisk if I remember correctly. The Apple 3.5
Drive is quiet.
Are you sure the clicks are coming from the disk drive?
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Millennium problem? What millennium problem?
Supertimer
>Supertimer wrote:
>
>> Frank Carney <fra...@cyberhighway.net> wrote:
>>
>> >What is that GOD awful clicking noise when the IIgs is running GSOS?
>>
>> That's how the Finder checks if there are disks in the 5.25 drives.
>> It is best to disable the 5.25 drives under GS/OS since you will
>> not be using them. Go to Preferences in the Finder and choose
>> the option to disable the 5.25 drive polling.
>
>Okay, I can't find the setting to disable the 5.25 inch drives. Is it
>because I don't have any 5.25 disk drives hooked up?
If you don't have any 5.25 drives, then 5.25 drive polling is
not causing the problem. Do you have UniDisk 3.5 drives
by any chance? They also click. If you do have UniDisk
3.5 drives, there is a way to (reversably) turn them into
Apple 3.5 drives. That way they stop clicking and they
will be faster too.
gr...@apple2.com
Frank Carney <fra...@cyberhighway.net> wrote:
> What is that GOD awful clicking noise when the IIgs is running GSOS?
Could it be the AppleTalk pulse?
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> In article <386E7F8C...@cyberhighway.net>, Frank Carney
> <fra...@cyberhighway.net> wrote:
>
> > > > What is that GOD awful clicking noise when the IIgs is running GSOS?
>
>
> > because I don't have any 5.25 disk drives hooked up?
>
LOL!
Forrest
"Frank Carney" <fra...@cyberhighway.net> :
> What is that GOD awful clicking noise when the IIgs is running GSOS?
The ticking from the speaker, which is not always heard, I =suspect= is an
artifact of a timing loop run by using the Ensoniq sound chip (using a blank
sample).
Dave Althoff Jr
: "Frank Carney" <fra...@cyberhighway.net> :
Anything like my GS at work, which occasionally bursts out with sounds
which sound exactly like thunder, only quieter? My system at home doesn't
do it, which is interesting as both systems are ROM 00 upgraded to ROM 01,
and both have the little added-on circuit board near the Ensoniq chip.
One system is noisy, one system is quiet, and I managed to get each into
the right place...
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> The ticking from the speaker, which is not always heard, I =suspect= is an
> artifact of a timing loop run by using the Ensoniq sound chip (using a blank
> sample).
Sad to say; First thought best...
The hypothesis around 5,25" drive scan seems to be true according to the
following facts I encountered in the recording sessions of my first 2 discs:
- The click in Finder is always there, even if no 5,25" drive is connected
to the IIgs;
- When a 5,25" drive is attached, the LED is flashing to the rythm of the
click;
- The internal speaker seems to be more affected than the output from
SoundMeister or AudioAnimator audio cards;
- The click disappears when running many apps but is coming back when a
open/save dialog is called (it's especially useful to get rid of this noise
when sending a synthLAB sequence to a digital audio tape for mastering!)
But this noise is not this annoying when you compare it to the high pitch
"hiss" that drill you inner ear when pulling a menu from the Finder menubar!!!
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Supertimer
>> > What is that GOD awful clicking noise when the IIgs is running GSOS?
>>
>> The ticking from the speaker, which is not always heard, I =suspect= is an
>> artifact of a timing loop run by using the Ensoniq sound chip (using a blank
>> sample).
>
> Sad to say; First thought best...
>
> The hypothesis around 5,25" drive scan seems to be true according to the
>following facts I encountered in the recording sessions of my first 2 discs:
>
> - The click in Finder is always there, even if no 5,25" drive is connected
>to the IIgs;
>
> - When a 5,25" drive is attached, the LED is flashing to the rythm of the
>click;
>
> - The internal speaker seems to be more affected than the output from
>SoundMeister or AudioAnimator audio cards
That explains it. I do not use my internal speaker. I have a set of
PC amplified speakers connected to the headphone jack of the
IIGS. The output from the jack is apparently quieter. But this
could also be the fact that I have a ROM 3.
T. Sean
ones that'll work on a iic?) instead of "click click" you hear more like
a "boink...boink...boink"
My favorite noise.
In article <20000101152216...@ng-bh1.aol.com>,
super...@aol.com (Supertimer) wrote:
> Frank Carney <fra...@cyberhighway.net> wrote:
>
> >What is that GOD awful clicking noise when the IIgs is running GSOS?
>
> That's how the Finder checks if there are disks in the 5.25 drives.
> It is best to disable the 5.25 drives under GS/OS since you will
> not be using them. Go to Preferences in the Finder and choose
> the option to disable the 5.25 drive polling.
>
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Pim Blokland
> - The click in Finder is always there, even if no 5,25" drive is
> connected
> to the IIgs;
>
> - When a 5,25" drive is attached, the LED is flashing to the rythm of
> the
> click;
>
> - The internal speaker seems to be more affected than the output from
> SoundMeister or AudioAnimator audio cards;
Have you done any soldering at all inside your GS? AFAIK the speaker is
not connected to the disk drive electronics, so it does not click all of
its own. Something must have been tampered with.
Besides, the Finder accesses the 5.25" drive only when it starts up or
when you double click the drive icon. When you do nothing, the drive is
silent. The only drive that flashes periodically is the Unidisk 3.5.
> But this noise is not this annoying when you compare it to the high
> pitch
> "hiss" that drill you inner ear when pulling a menu from the Finder
> menubar!!!
The GS does not make noises when you pull down the menu bar.
In GS/OS 6.0.x, you can assign noises to several actions, such as when
you put something in the Trash. But NOT when you pull down a menu. So,
again: something must have been tempered with.
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Same excuse every time
Jeff Blakeney
wrote:
>The GS does not make noises when you pull down the menu bar.
>In GS/OS 6.0.x, you can assign noises to several actions, such as when
>you put something in the Trash. But NOT when you pull down a menu. So,
>again: something must have been tempered with.
My ROM 01 machine, when I was using the internal speaker as my only
sound output, used to make all sorts of noises but I didn't find them
all that annoying as they weren't very loud. I used to get quiet
clicks when the IIgs was polling drives and I could here other noises
which changed depending on what I was doing with the computer at the
time. Pulling down menus did make a distinctive sound.
The ROM 3 had improved sound hardware so it probably isn't even
noticeable on thos machines.
I'd suggest to anyone who finds these noises to be too annoying to
turn down their system volume in the Control Panel, plug the headphone
jack into a stereo with some kind of noise reduction system or get a
stereo output card for their machine and use it instead. I'm not 100%
certain that any of these steps will eliminate the noises but it will
certainly help reduce them.
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Pim Blokland
Blakeney) wrote:
> The ROM 3 had improved sound hardware so it probably isn't even
> noticeable on thos machines.
Oops... you've got me there. I confess. I have a ROM 3. With a noisy
fan. And a noisy harddisk. And I've always got music playing on my
stereo.
However, there's one thing you will never get me to admit: that the
5.25" drive clicks. It just sits there, doing nothing, being absolutely
silent.
Yes, it is connected.
Jeff Blakeney
wrote:
>However, there's one thing you will never get me to admit: that the
>5.25" drive clicks. It just sits there, doing nothing, being absolutely
>silent.
>Yes, it is connected.
It isn't the 5.25" drive that clicks. It is the speaker in the IIgs
that clicks when the IIgs polls the 5.25" drive.
Also, keep in mind that the IIgs doesn't always poll the 5.25" drive.
Only programs that do a HandleDiskInsert command in their event loop
will continuously poll all the drives looking for new disks. The
Finder in System 6.0.1 does this as well as several other modern
applications. If the 5.25" drive is being polled, you will see the
drive light flash ever second or so.
Dave Althoff Jr
: On Fri, 07 Jan 2000 21:56:32 +0100, Pim Blokland <appl...@at.at>
: wrote:
: >However, there's one thing you will never get me to admit: that the
: >5.25" drive clicks. It just sits there, doing nothing, being absolutely
: >silent.
: >Yes, it is connected.
: It isn't the 5.25" drive that clicks. It is the speaker in the IIgs
: that clicks when the IIgs polls the 5.25" drive.
: Also, keep in mind that the IIgs doesn't always poll the 5.25" drive.
: Only programs that do a HandleDiskInsert command in their event loop
: will continuously poll all the drives looking for new disks. The
: Finder in System 6.0.1 does this as well as several other modern
: applications. If the 5.25" drive is being polled, you will see the
: drive light flash ever second or so.
...But the poll is so quick that you might need to turn the room lights
off to see it. Mine isn't doing it right now, but I know I have seen this
behavior on my GS at work (!). Strange, too, since the drive has no way
to tell the system if a disk has been inserted...
Hmmm...I wonder...since GS/OS does in fact somehow poll the 5.25" drive, I
wonder if there would be some way to get it to tell GS/OS when a disk is
inserted. Sensing a disk would be easy enough, requiring two switches
(one to sense the disk, one to sense the closed door), but I wonder how
one would get the message back to the SmartPort.......
Blake Patterson
I removed my 5.25" drive from the GS as I've little need for it right
now. With the speakers turned up (and not even WAY up) I definitely
hear the clicking. I've just got an Apple 3.5" drive hooked to it (the
"GS" 800K drive, not a UniDisk or some such other drive).
bp
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Jeff Blakeney
<bl...@blakespot.com> wrote:
> I removed my 5.25" drive from the GS as I've little need for it right
>now. With the speakers turned up (and not even WAY up) I definitely
>hear the clicking. I've just got an Apple 3.5" drive hooked to it (the
>"GS" 800K drive, not a UniDisk or some such other drive).
I just tried it on a ROM 01 here and the click isn't very audible to
begin with but it is there regardless of whether there is 5.25" drive
attached or whether the AppleDisk5.25 driver is active or not.
I guess the ROM 01 motherboard might be picking up the polling of the
3.5" drive too. I couldn't easily hook up a hard drive and disconnect
both the 5.25" and 3.5" drives to test this theory.
It could also be that the click is caused by something else the
computer is doing. After all, you can here other activity like
pulling down menus and such so we might have been barking up the wrong
tree for years. :-)
By the way, I couldn't get my ROM 3 to make any clicks or other noises
even with the volume turned all the way up and listening with a pair
of good quality headphones plugged into the headphone jack.
Jeff Blakeney
wrote:
>Hmmm...I wonder...since GS/OS does in fact somehow poll the 5.25" drive, I
>wonder if there would be some way to get it to tell GS/OS when a disk is
>inserted. Sensing a disk would be easy enough, requiring two switches
>(one to sense the disk, one to sense the closed door), but I wonder how
>one would get the message back to the SmartPort.......
You would end up having to patch or probably rewrite the AppleDisk5.25
driver to get it to support disk sensing with 5.25" drives so you
wouldn't necessarily have to get the signal back to the SmartPort,
although that would be the nicest design. You could just hook up the
sensing circuit to the internal joystick connector.
Adalbert Goertz
It isn't the 5.25" drive that clicks. It is the speaker in the IIgs
that clicks when the IIgs polls the 5.25" drive.
>>
>>
I never noticed that clicking. But I dont use the Finder as a launch.
Is this relevant?
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