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Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab

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Mar 19, 1988, 5:03:30 PM3/19/88
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At last week's BADGE meeting, Jim Mackraz gave a "Beta Version" of
his talk that he will deliver at the developer's conference in April, and a
new catch-phrase was born ("You, too, can have this for only FIVE DOLLARS!").

However, Jimm made an announcement that pleasantly surprised
everyone.

In the entire history of the Amiga, the team that has developed the
hardware and software has pretty much remained a closed family; the same
people have been responsible for fixing the bugs and pushing the envelope.
As a result, almost no new people have been brought on board to carry the
machine forward.

Until now.

Commodore has hired Bryce Nesbitt.

The advantages are obvious. The man has zillions of great ideas,
and the coding talent to make them happen, and make them happen elegantly.
In his own personal effort to better understand the machine, he has
disassembled major portions of the OS to find out what's REALLY going on,
and has found all sorts of bugs this way. Without actually being a member
of the official team, he has learned an astounding amount of the insides of
the Amiga.

The main disadvantage to this is that he has to move from Berkeley
to West Chester.

Well-wishers may wish to send him some congratulatory mail.

SevereSmileyMode (ON);

I don't know about anyone else, but I've noticed a surprising
corrolary here. Bryce, all by himself, learns an incredible amount of stuff
about the system, even some things that the original developers didn't know.
As a result, they decide to make him a part of the team.

Now, take this scenario, and compare it to plots you've seen on
_Star Trek: The Next Generation_, and see if you notice any similarities.

HINT: The relevant character is played by Wil Wheaton.

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Marco Papa

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Mar 20, 1988, 1:21:09 PM3/20/88
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In article <54...@well.UUCP| ew...@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) writes:
| However, Jimm made an announcement that pleasantly surprised
|everyone.
| Commodore has hired Bryce Nesbitt.
| The main disadvantage to this is that he has to move from Berkeley
| to West Chester.

Way to go, CBM, and congratulations to Bryce.

-- Marco

P.S.:
Of course, I lied again. :-)

Robert Brown

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Mar 20, 1988, 7:57:35 PM3/20/88
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This is the first time I've ever written to the net, but here goes...

This may be a naive question, but is there a terminal program for the
Amiga which supports X Windows? I just bought my Amiga A2000 today and
have only seen the reviews in Amiga World.

The main reason I would like to have such a beast is that I hack on Sun
Workstations at work and it would be *real nice* to work on the graphic
programs from the comfort of my bed. (Talk about tele-commuting!)

Robert

Matt Dillon

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Mar 21, 1988, 1:29:30 AM3/21/88
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I think you are somewhat confused as to the complexity of X.
Even if you can get it running over a modem (btw, this is quite possible)
the response time would be incredibly bad considering the amount of
information that would have to be sent. Even at 9600 bps it would be
unacceptable.

X itself is huge and complex... not something you find in everyday
terminal programs. I believe there is an X port in the works at Commodore.

-Matt

Andy Finkel

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Mar 24, 1988, 4:27:42 PM3/24/88
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In article <54...@well.UUCP> ew...@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) writes:
>SevereSmileyMode (ON);
>
> I don't know about anyone else, but I've noticed a surprising
>corrolary here. Bryce, all by himself, learns an incredible amount of stuff
>about the system, even some things that the original developers didn't know.
>As a result, they decide to make him a part of the team.
>
> Now, take this scenario, and compare it to plots you've seen on
>_Star Trek: The Next Generation_, and see if you notice any similarities.
>
> HINT: The relevant character is played by Wil Wheaton.
>
>(-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

There is one thing seriously wrong with this scenerio...

I am not planning on going bald.

:-) :-) :-)

--
andy finkel {ihnp4|seismo|allegra}!cbmvax!andy
Commodore-Amiga, Inc.

"Never test for an error condition you don't know how to handle."

Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.

Dale Luck

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Mar 24, 1988, 8:20:16 PM3/24/88
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In article (Matt Dillon) writes:

> X itself is huge and complex... not something you find in everyday
>terminal programs. I believe there is an X port in the works at Commodore.
>
> -Matt

You are quite right, Matt. X is complex but not anymore complex than
all this networking jazz I just learned over the last 6 months getting X
running on the amiga. There is still alot of graphics work I need to do
to get the performance up to my level of expectation.

I do need to clarify one point though. Commodore is not working on X.
It is being done by an independant organization and at this time is
not planned on being part of any system software from Commodore.

Dale Luck

Bob Page

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Mar 25, 1988, 1:15:12 PM3/25/88
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Leo:

>_Star Trek: The Next Generation_, and see if you notice any similarities.

andy responds:


>I am not planning on going bald.

Ever played any Shakespeare? :-) [no, not the Amiga software!]

..Bob
--
Bob Page, U of Lowell CS Dept. pa...@swan.ulowell.edu ulowell!page
"Nicaragua" is Spanish for "Vietnam."

Chad_The-Wa...@cup.portal.com

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Mar 26, 1988, 4:15:01 AM3/26/88
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Just ONE thing that seems a little strange in "The New Generation"... You
would think that by the 24th century the Helsinki Formula would be working
correctly... :-) :-) :-) :-) BTW. I REALLY liked the last two shows (
Wesley and the Academy, Worf and the klingons...)

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Chad 'The_Walrus' Netzer
Certified AmigaManiac

rgd...@mipl3.jpl.nasa.gov

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Mar 28, 1988, 6:38:35 AM3/28/88
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Topic: amiga, Entry # 10754
Path: elroy!ames!pasteur!ucbvax!ernie.Berkeley.EDU!rbrown
From:
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: X Windows
Summary: Is there a simple terminal program which supports it?
Keywords: X-Windows, terminal programs, modem
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Date: 21 Mar 88 00:57:35 GMT
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In article <23...@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> rbr...@ernie.Berkeley.EDU
(Robert Brown) writes:

>This may be a naive question, but is there a terminal program for the
>Amiga which supports X Windows? I just bought my Amiga A2000 today and
>have only seen the reviews in Amiga World.
>
>The main reason I would like to have such a beast is that I hack on Sun
>Workstations at work and it would be *real nice* to work on the graphic
>programs from the comfort of my bed. (Talk about tele-commuting!)

I'm not sure you'd really want to run X Windows over a modem (slooow), but...

Dale Luck (the creator of the graphics.library for you newcomers) is currently
working on an X Windows port. It is his own project, not related at all to
Commodore. I saw a back-room demo of it at NCGA last week. It was running
on Hedley's 1008X800 monitor. It currently consists of only the X Windows
server, and only in monochrome for Hedley's monitor, but he's working on
the X library and support for other resolutions. He said he first wants to
support every network imaginable, and then support the frame buffers that are
(hopefully) coming out soon. Actually, he said it would be easier to write
an X driver for a frame buffer than it would to make the Amiga graphics.library
work on a frame buffer (but both are in the works...)

He didn't have a release date, but it's still several months off.

Oh, BTW, it was X version 11, and, of course, multitasks well.

I hope I don't get in trouble for posting this, but he didn't say to keep it
quiet......... :-)

Bob Deen @ NASA-JPL Multimission Image Processing Lab
rgd...@mipl3.jpl.nasa.gov span: mipl3::rgd059

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