Is there an alternative to DirOpus?
Andreas Jelvemark
I want a replacement for DirOpus since I think it's slow, badly programmed,
still 1.3-compatible and BIG!
Does anybody know if there is an alternative with an AREXX port?
-/*Andreas*/ FidoNet 2:200/114.1
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Patrik Berglund
AJ> I want a replacement for DirOpus since I think it's slow, badly
AJ> programmed, still 1.3-compatible and BIG!
AJ> Does anybody know if there is an alternative with an AREXX port?
Have you tried DiskMaster or SID? I think those two are the best PD/SW (etc)
available right now. If you want a copy of them, then you know where you can
get in contact with me... :-) The versions I have aren't the newest versions,
but they show what kind of program it is.
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Michael Goodwin
Patrik Berglund <patrik_...@pb.ct.se> wrote:
>In a message of 09 Jan 94, Andreas Jelvemark wrote to All:
>
> AJ> I want a replacement for DirOpus since I think it's slow, badly
> AJ> programmed, still 1.3-compatible and BIG!
>
> AJ> Does anybody know if there is an alternative with an AREXX port?
>
>Have you tried DiskMaster or SID? I think those two are the best PD/SW (etc)
I didn't know DiskMaster was PD/SW...
>available right now. If you want a copy of them, then you know where you can
>get in contact with me... :-) The versions I have aren't the newest versions,
>but they show what kind of program it is.
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Don Robert DeCosta
>still 1.3-compatible and BIG!
>
>Does anybody know if there is an alternative with an AREXX port?
>
>
> -/*Andreas*/ FidoNet 2:200/114.1
People at my user's group are always asking me what Directory Utility I
use, I always answer CLI and they stare at me.
But really, what's wrong with CLI and Workbench? What am I missing?
I hope I'm not coming across as a jerk but what exactly do DirOpus,
CLImate, DiskMaster and SID do that the CLI-Workbench 2.1-AREXX combo
don't do?
Don DeCosta |The nice thing about sanity is| VM/Nomad2
Do...@cup.portal.com |you can lose it more than once| Amiga/Imagine
R. Brown
|> >I want a replacement for DirOpus since I think it's slow, badly programmed,
|> >still 1.3-compatible and BIG!
|> >
|> >Does anybody know if there is an alternative with an AREXX port?
|> >
|> >
|> > -/*Andreas*/ FidoNet 2:200/114.1
|>
|> People at my user's group are always asking me what Directory Utility I
|> use, I always answer CLI and they stare at me.
|>
|> But really, what's wrong with CLI and Workbench? What am I missing?
|> I hope I'm not coming across as a jerk but what exactly do DirOpus,
|> CLImate, DiskMaster and SID do that the CLI-Workbench 2.1-AREXX combo
|> don't do?
Me too, me too! I've tried several of these utilities, and I've never found one
that I've actually used long-term (Well, I used one with 1.3, but then...). The
CLI and Workbench do most of the things I could want them to, although the
Workbench could be a bit faster and multi-task whilst doing disk operations (a la
Jazzbench...)
|> Don DeCosta |The nice thing about sanity is| VM/Nomad2
|> Do...@cup.portal.com |you can lose it more than once| Amiga/Imagine
Robert Brown.
C.P. Brown
|> >still 1.3-compatible and BIG!
|> >
|> >Does anybody know if there is an alternative with an AREXX port?
|> >
|> >
|> > -/*Andreas*/ FidoNet 2:200/114.1
|>
|> People at my user's group are always asking me what Directory Utility I
|> use, I always answer CLI and they stare at me.
|>
|> But really, what's wrong with CLI and Workbench? What am I missing?
|> I hope I'm not coming across as a jerk but what exactly do DirOpus,
|> CLImate, DiskMaster and SID do that the CLI-Workbench 2.1-AREXX combo
|> don't do?
Glad to see I'm not the only one who feels like this! I could never see the point
of programs like SID and DirOpus, when I can perform file management much faster
using Workbench and the CLI, especially with programs like KingCON and
ToolManager running. Maybe these utilities are attractive for Amiga users who
don't want to use the shell for whatever reason, but I personally really like the
Amiga Shell, which is IMHO a lot nicer than the various UNIX shells in some ways.
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Osma Ahvenlampi
>In a message of 09 Jan 94, Andreas Jelvemark wrote to All:
> AJ> I want a replacement for DirOpus since I think it's slow, badly
> AJ> programmed, still 1.3-compatible and BIG!
> AJ> Does anybody know if there is an alternative with an AREXX port?
>Have you tried DiskMaster or SID? I think those two are the best PD/SW (etc)
>available right now. If you want a copy of them, then you know where you can
>get in contact with me... :-) The versions I have aren't the newest versions,
>but they show what kind of program it is.
MTool is great too. Does only a few things out of the box, but is quite
configurable... Also, it is the only one that can go in LhA archives like they
were directories, at least the only I know...
Available on Aminet.
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Christoph Feck IRZ
resizeable windows, opens on WB, font sensitive, written with
2.0 and 3.0 in mind (not like those DirOpus crap, sorry :), has
_extensive_ file type detection via whatis.library, is very
fast (try deleting 300 files from RAM: with DirOpus, and you'll
see what I mean), etc. etc.
I whished it would be in ROM instead of Workbench :)
3k// Christoph Feck, TowerSystems
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Steve Pontsler
>>I want a replacement for DirOpus since I think it's slow, badly program
ed,
>>still 1.3-compatible and BIG!
>>
>>Does anybody know if there is an alternative with an AREXX port?
>>
>>
>> -/*Andreas*/ FidoNet 2:200/114.1
>People at my user's group are always asking me what Directory Utility I
>use, I always answer CLI and they stare at me.
>But really, what's wrong with CLI and Workbench? What am I missing?
>I hope I'm not coming across as a jerk but what exactly do DirOpus,
>CLImate, DiskMaster and SID do that the CLI-Workbench 2.1-AREXX combo
>don't do?
>Don DeCosta |The nice thing about sanity is| VM/Nomad2
>Do...@cup.portal.com |you can lose it more than once| Amiga/Imagine
At times it can be nice to see two directories at one time...
but I use shell for most everything (3.0). KingCon looks
like it will make things real nice. I just got that off
Aminet this weekend and haven't had much tome to play with it.
STeve
Joel Edward Swan
>>still 1.3-compatible and BIG!
>>
>>Does anybody know if there is an alternative with an AREXX port?
>>
>>
>> -/*Andreas*/ FidoNet 2:200/114.1
>
>People at my user's group are always asking me what Directory Utility I
>use, I always answer CLI and they stare at me.
>
>But really, what's wrong with CLI and Workbench? What am I missing?
>I hope I'm not coming across as a jerk but what exactly do DirOpus,
>CLImate, DiskMaster and SID do that the CLI-Workbench 2.1-AREXX combo
>don't do?
Save time. LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of time. I can flip between directories
and move/copy/protect/archive anything much faster and easier than with the
CLI alone. Much faster than with WB as well.
I use and love the CLI. It's totally second nature to me. However, a
program like DirOpus definately has it's place too. It's sort of like
multitasking. Sometimes to first be convinced you may need to watch over
the shoulder of someone who's using it effectively. You'll say "gee, I
never knew how cool it CAN be."
It's not merely "what" they can do, but with what efficiency and speed.
>Don DeCosta |The nice thing about sanity is| VM/Nomad2
>Do...@cup.portal.com |you can lose it more than once| Amiga/Imagine
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>rites:
>|> >I want a replacement for DirOpus since I think it's slow, badly programme
d
>,
>|> >still 1.3-compatible and BIG!
>|> >
>|> >Does anybody know if there is an alternative with an AREXX port?
>|> >
>|> >
>|> > -/*Andreas*/ FidoNet 2:200/114.1
>|>
>|> People at my user's group are always asking me what Directory Utility I
>|> use, I always answer CLI and they stare at me.
>|>
>|> But really, what's wrong with CLI and Workbench? What am I missing?
>|> I hope I'm not coming across as a jerk but what exactly do DirOpus,
>|> CLImate, DiskMaster and SID do that the CLI-Workbench 2.1-AREXX combo
>|> don't do?
>
>Glad to see I'm not the only one who feels like this! I could never see the p
o
>int
>of programs like SID and DirOpus, when I can perform file management much fas
t
>er
Then you've never used one properly. I could male your head spin using
DirOpus. Though I use the CLI and it's second nature to me, there's no
comparison in speed. And these days, the flexibility of programs like
DirOpus make them just about as flexible as the most convouted CLI commands.
It's a far cry from the early days of simple dir util commands.
>using Workbench and the CLI, especially with programs like KingCON and
>ToolManager running. Maybe these utilities are attractive for Amiga users who
>don't want to use the shell for whatever reason, but I personally really like
>the
>Amiga Shell, which is IMHO a lot nicer than the various UNIX shells in some w
a
So do I. I like to use it. But I also don't mind clicking the mouse three
times instead of typing 30 or 40 characters to make some file moves, etc.
That's not to say I CAN'T do it via CLI, but with the newer dir utils,
almost any CLI command can be done quicker via the dir util.
Eventually your time becomes more valuable than the joy (yes :-) it can be
FUN to some of us) of psyching out complex command sequences.
>ys.
>
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Peter da Silva
R. Brown <rb1...@hermes.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> Me too, me too! I've tried several of these utilities, [...]
I *wrote* one of these utilities, and I don't use it any more since I switched
to 2.x. They're just redundant, really.
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Peter da Silva
Steve Pontsler <swpo...@nyx.cs.du.edu> wrote:
> At times it can be nice to see two directories at one time...
Workbench does that.
It also lets you see three directories at a time.
Or four.
:->
d.g.legor ros
: Nothing beats BrowserII. It's on Aminet. Asynchronous, multiple
I've just been lloking on ftp.luth.se and I cannot find browserII
anywhere, care to give aby pointers?
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voice, please ;-)
The choice of working environment and tools is determined by what you are doing,
and almost as importantly, personal taste. I use the Shell (CLI ?? Time you got
rid of 1.3) for almost everything because I like it and can use it effectively
but I don't expect everyone to (I still have loadwb in my C: directory).
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Yann-Erick Proy
Peter da Silva, respected Amiga programmer (honestly), wrote :
> I *wrote* one of these utilities, and I don't use it any more since I switched
> to 2.x. They're just redundant, really.
I highly recommend to everybody to just give a look at the work Sylvain
Rougier and Pierre Carrette have done upon the concept of Browser, which is
these utility Peter has written a long time ago.
For instance how would you do if you had to change the flags of every file of
a directory (assuming some of the files are in subdirectories) ?
BrowserII provides a simple and efficient way to 'mask' selecting with
subdirectory recursion ability (mask includes flags too).
May the [Amiga] force be with you.
Yann
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Torsten Poulin Nielsen
>Hi
>Peter da Silva, respected Amiga programmer (honestly), wrote :
>> I *wrote* one of these utilities, and I don't use it any more since I switched
>> to 2.x. They're just redundant, really.
>I highly recommend to everybody to just give a look at the work Sylvain
>Rougier and Pierre Carrette have done upon the concept of Browser, which is
>these utility Peter has written a long time ago.
>For instance how would you do if you had to change the flags of every file of
>a directory (assuming some of the files are in subdirectories) ?
I would definitely use the Find shell command from my own ExtraCmds21p
collection :), to select and act upon the files.
In the simple case, I would just use protect with a pattern and the
all switch.
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Christoph Feck IRZ
> Christoph Feck IRZ (fe...@informatik.uni-kl.de) wrote:
> : Nothing beats BrowserII. It's on Aminet. Asynchronous, multiple
> : resizeable windows, opens on WB, font sensitive, written with
> : 2.0 and 3.0 in mind (not like those DirOpus crap, sorry :), has
> : _extensive_ file type detection via whatis.library, is very
> : fast (try deleting 300 files from RAM: with DirOpus, and you'll
> : see what I mean), etc. etc.
>
> : I whished it would be in ROM instead of Workbench :)
>
> : 3k// Christoph Feck, TowerSystems
> : \X/ Amiga - Intuition inside.
>
> I've just been lloking on ftp.luth.se and I cannot find browserII
> anywhere, care to give aby pointers?
browser241.lha os20/wb 218K Workbench-like directory/file manager
At least it's here on ftp.uni-kl.de :)
Mike Noreen
AJ> I want a replacement for DirOpus since I think it's slow, badly
AJ> programmed, still 1.3-compatible and BIG!
Diskmaster.
AJ> Does anybody know if there is an alternative with an AREXX port?
Diskmaster. Current version 2.1c, reportedly available on the cover of
the january issue of Amiga Format.
AJ> -/*Andreas*/ FidoNet 2:200/114.1
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Maxwell A Daymon
: collection :), to select and act upon the files.
: In the simple case, I would just use protect with a pattern and the
: all switch.
This is where directory utilities become important... What if... for some
reason... The files you want to change don't happen to share a pattern?
OR, what if more that the files you want to change show the same pattern?
This is where a directory utility comes in. It lets you click like a
Workbench, and it lets you ACT (often times) like a shell/CLI. Often I
find myself trying to move around files by "concept" not by name or
extension and a directory utility does that well. In fact, the "directory
utility" may be the next GUI user interface. A well written directory
utility synthesizes the CLI and Workbench environment. (MegaD allows more
than just two windows, for those about to argue that point)
You can be old and stuck in your ways, nobody will stop you. (I happen to
enjoy being stuck in my ways. I have my shell and on occasion my
workbench, that's all I need right now) but DON'T act like a clonehead
and hate it just because it's change. The same reason most of you hate
dirutils is the same reason cloneheads hate your Amigas! It's different
and you'll have to learn "a new way of things" Well, don't have a fit! <grin>
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Bernie Cosell
} >>I want a replacement for DirOpus since I think it's slow, badly programmed,
} >>still 1.3-compatible and BIG!
} >>
} >>Does anybody know if there is an alternative with an AREXX port?
} >>
} >>
} >> -/*Andreas*/ FidoNet 2:200/114.1
} >
} >People at my user's group are always asking me what Directory Utility I
} >use, I always answer CLI and they stare at me.
} >
} >But really, what's wrong with CLI and Workbench? What am I missing?
} >I hope I'm not coming across as a jerk but what exactly do DirOpus,
} >CLImate, DiskMaster and SID do that the CLI-Workbench 2.1-AREXX combo
} >don't do?
}
} Save time. LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of time. I can flip between directories
} and move/copy/protect/archive anything much faster and easier than with the
} CLI alone. Much faster than with WB as well.
I must not be understanding. I don't spend LOTS and LOTS of time doing
anything of the kind... I find it convenient enough to work in multiple
directories just by having two [or more] CLIs open. Generous [and obvious]
use of ASSIGNs makes most of the usual moving around simple, and in
any event I spend just about NO time doing any of that stuff, so even
if the utility were psychic and guessed what I wanted to do and did
it before I knew I wanted it done [so it took zero time]
moving/copying/protecting just ain't gonna save me even a single LOTS of
time. About the only thing I occasionally wish I had was something like
the Unix "find" utility [but that was near-psychic, since a brute
force search of my disk looking for a file name match is pretty much
uselessly slow... I can usually remember where the damn file was before
the search blunders across it].
So I have to echo the original question: what is it that you folks
are doing so much and how do these utilities fit into the cycle, such
that the utilities prove to be so valuable, since it would seem that
our Amiga-use reflects VERY different patterns.
/Bernie\
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Steve Pontsler
>Workbench does that.
>Or four.
Oops... that sounded wrong on my part. No actually I guess that is what
I was thinking. I always use the shell and that is all I was thinking
about. But You can open many drives/folder/etc. Workbench doesn't
do it for me....I execute programs from it but that is about it. I guess
I am to use to all those Unix boxes at school that they don't let us put
any type of gui.
Steve
Joel Edward Swan
>
>Peter da Silva, respected Amiga programmer (honestly), wrote :
>
>> I *wrote* one of these utilities, and I don't use it any more since I switc
h
>ed
>> to 2.x. They're just redundant, really.
>
>I highly recommend to everybody to just give a look at the work Sylvain
>Rougier and Pierre Carrette have done upon the concept of Browser, which is
>these utility Peter has written a long time ago.
>
>For instance how would you do if you had to change the flags of every file of
>a directory (assuming some of the files are in subdirectories) ?
>
>BrowserII provides a simple and efficient way to 'mask' selecting with
>subdirectory recursion ability (mask includes flags too).
So does DirOpus. Trivial.
>May the [Amiga] force be with you.
>
>Yann
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Yann-Erick Proy
> >subdirectory recursion ability (mask includes flags too).
>
> So does DirOpus. Trivial.
With how many 'directory windows' ? BrowserII is limited by your memory size
(and the number of directories you have :-)...
Multitasking ? While doing this, can you still use DirOpus to travel in
the directory hierarchy or read a text file ? BrowserII allows you to
do this while doing anything else (like copying 830Kb of lha archives
from your harddisk to a floppy, wich is rather slooooow...)...
BrowserII is a 'functionality-enhanced-but-text-only' Workbench. This means
greatly increased power in comparison to these 'NortonCommander' clones...
Yann
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Yann-Erick Proy
> >a directory (assuming some of the files are in subdirectories) ?
>
> collection :), to select and act upon the files.
>
> In the simple case, I would just use protect with a pattern and the
> all switch.
Now, suppose the files whose protection you want to change are those
with the 'a' flag, may be in subdirectories, end with '.info' but do
not start with 'StayHere'. How would you do that ?
I never stated that everything that can be done with BrowserII can't be
done without it. My opinion is that it is really easier, faster and
doen't imply to dive in the doc : just try the menus. I think it is one
of the most important concepts of GUIs : the first times you use menus
and icons, and when you get accustomed to the thing you use keyboard
shortcuts...
Torsten Poulin Nielsen
>> >For instance how would you do if you had to change the flags of every file of
>> >a directory (assuming some of the files are in subdirectories) ?
>>
>> I would definitely use the Find shell command from my own ExtraCmds21p
>> collection :), to select and act upon the files.
>>
>> In the simple case, I would just use protect with a pattern and the
>> all switch.
>Now, suppose the files whose protection you want to change are those
>with the 'a' flag, may be in subdirectories, end with '.info' but do
>not start with 'StayHere'. How would you do that ?
I would say (to the Find mentioned above),
find sys: type file flags a name #?.info name ~(StayHere#?) exec "protect {} -a"
The argument to exec could be anything, of course. If yoy want to do
it interactively, just say execok instead :)
- Torsten
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Peter da Silva
Maxwell A Daymon <mda...@rainbow.sosi.com> wrote:
> A well written directory
> utility synthesizes the CLI and Workbench environment.
(is this the word you wanted to use?)
In what way? Give us an example of a single operation that doesn't work
just as easily on WB?
Adam D Calow
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>... About the only thing I occasionally wish I had was something like
>the Unix "find" utility [but that was near-psychic, since a brute
>force search of my disk looking for a file name match is pretty much
>uselessly slow... I can usually remember where the damn file was before
>the search blunders across it].
>
What you need is a freely distributable suite of small programs called
Quick Tools. One of the programs, "QFind", will find files on your disk via
a wildcard search. However, instead of searching the disk each time you need
to find something, this program looks in a database of your disk contents
and so returns the result quickly (in less than a second on my system).
The database is built up by running one of the other programs in the suite
and takes no longer than a search by the normal type of "find" utility (I do
this just before I do a backup of my harddrive).
Other tools are provided to make moving around a disk faster. The archive name
I got it from is QuickTools.lha, but this was off of a cover disk, so I do not
know if it is somewhere on the network.
Adam Calow
ee9...@brunel.ac.uk
Yann-Erick Proy
> >with the 'a' flag, may be in subdirectories, end with '.info' but do
> >not start with 'StayHere'. How would you do that ?
>
> I would say (to the Find mentioned above),
>
> find sys: type file flags a name #?.info name ~(StayHere#?) exec "protect {}
> -a"
Bless you ! :-)
You can see my point now when I say "[BrowserII] doesn't imply to dive in the
doc".
Something I haven't mentionned yet is that a double-click on a filename in
a BrowserII window will launch it as workbench would have done, if the
file is an icon or has an icon associated to it in the directory (i.e the
window), and as shell would have done if not (in this case you get a requester
for last minute arguments). That means that a double click on the filename of
an icon project will launch the corresponding application with this project
as argument...
BrowserII also enables you to copy or move files in the 'drag and release'
Workbench manner. Copy or move depends on context like Workbench (move if
in same device, copy either) but can be forced by option ('Always Copy', etc).
Last, BrowserII lets you add menus to its menu bar for tools and commands
you would like to launch from it (sorta ToolManager...). Again, your commands
can be launched in workbench or shell mode and can take as arguments the
files you selected in any of its windows...
Maybe you can see now that I like this program because it is so dicrete...
Yann
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Anthony Campbell
> > A well written directory
> > utility synthesizes the CLI and Workbench environment.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
> (is this the word you wanted to use?)
>
> In what way? Give us an example of a single operation that doesn't work
> just as easily on WB?
Separating an icon from its file?
I found that after WB2.04, that the 2 window dir util I was using
(SID) was much less usefull.
I now use a 1024x800 Screen, with a Workbench window, a Shell, and
MegaD3.1. And Toolmanager, and TTX, and Terminus, and LineMan, and
TinyClock, and ...
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Gael_Marziou
> I've just been lloking on ftp.luth.se and I cannot find browserII
> anywhere, care to give aby pointers?
You can find it in :
pub/aminet/os20/wb/browser241.lha
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SChampion
It all depends on the user.... Personally, I use all 3. I also seek to
enhance my use of each... Toolman, csh, Total customization of DirOpus,
MagikWB.
I used to always have a shell open.... Now I close them becuase another is
only a menu away. My Dopus is usually a titlebar. Its nice to have time,
date, and memory displayed... it even has a not so good cpu monitor.
Dopus is always a couple of clciks away. same with a shell. WB is of
course always available, but usually hidden behind some screens.
Some things are quick with Dopus... Lha extracts, moving large numbers of
files from 20 dirs to 20 other dirs with a dir overlap of 5, managing my
1000 font files or so, etc... Then WB is nice, too. All my commonly used
programs are in my toolman menu. Not so common ones I have to hunt.
CLI can be cool to use.... Stuff without icons, things too complex for WB
that isn't set up in dopus, etc. In fact I use my CLI about as much, maybe
more than Dopus. So much I want to get a VT terminal to take it of my WB
screen.
I don't type really fast, but Im good at clicking.. I also have a horrrible
memory. So Dopus and WB make something much quicker. WB is nice for
somethings... CLI is the all powerful interface you can do anything with,
even if it is a bit slower.
Thats why the Amiga was made with both GUI and Dos interfaces. No single
user interface is better than any other. Thats my biggest problem with
MACs.
Its a useless argument... Just do what works for you. We all are
individuals and are perfectly capable of making our own decisions....
That's why we all use Amiga, right?
Mark Rose
(andreas_...@p1.f114.n200.z2.ct.se):
AJ> I want a replacement for DirOpus since I think it's slow, badly
AJ> programmed, still 1.3-compatible and BIG!
AJ> Does anybody know if there is an alternative with an AREXX port?
Try MegaD. It is ShareWare ($30), has an ARexx port, can open more
than two windows at one time, is 2.04+ only and _nice_. It is on
Aminet and on Fish 82x.
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Peter Kittel Germany
>
>This is where directory utilities become important... What if... for some
>reason... The files you want to change don't happen to share a pattern?
>OR, what if more that the files you want to change show the same pattern?
>
>This is where a directory utility comes in. It lets you click like a
>Workbench, and it lets you ACT (often times) like a shell/CLI.
But this is a place where the current (>=2.0) Workbench also really
shines. In such situations I switch the WB windows to Show All Files,
View by Names and click and drag there to my heart's content. You get
practically the same comfort as with a directory utility, but still
have the advantage to have as many directory windows open as you like,
in sizes you can easily adapt to the situation.
Else, I'm also a (standard) Shell type. I tried WShell once, but did
not like its cursor use for inline editing at all, and came back to
the standard Shell.
>A well written directory
>utility synthesizes the CLI and Workbench environment.
Yes, but sometimes I suspect that some dirutil advocates just did not
yet realize that this is exactly also offered by the standard WB and
Shell combo!
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Paul Kelly
In a message dated Wednesday 12 January, you wrote to
about Re: What ever happened to CLI and Workbench?:
BC> So I have to echo the original question: what is it that you folks are
BC> doing so much and how do these utilities fit into the cycle, such that
BC> the utilities prove to be so valuable, since it would seem that our
BC> Amiga-use reflects VERY different patterns.
Not attempting to be sarcastic Bernie, but have you ever /seen/ anyone really
/using/ a dir util such as Dopus? If not, then it is real hard to explain the
difference 'convincingly'.
Seesya,
Paul.
Bowie J. Poag
More like, try to -AVOID- MegaD. It sucks. Those of us with more than 6
neurons either use MegaD or DirWork. I use Dirwork myself, which does
everything DuhOpus does, with twice the speed and half the memory that DirOpus
feels it needs to hog. One things for sure--those of us who know what were
doing know to avoid using DirOpus at all costs.
DirOpus, to put it plainly, if a fat bloated old cow that should be taken out
behind the barn and shot, repeatedly.
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Green Eric L
But this is a place where the current (>=2.0) Workbench also really
shines. In such situations I switch the WB windows to Show All Files,
View by Names and click and drag there to my heart's content. You get
practically the same comfort as with a directory utility, but still
Uhm, not quite. If I want to move some files out of dh2:tmp/mt into
dh0:mf/inputs, I can whip out ``sid'' and type "dh2:tmp/mt" into the
first box and "dh0:mf/inputs" into the second box. Then I select my
files and hit the MOVE box. With Workbench, I have to open dh2:, wait
for the disk to gronk, open tmp, wait for the disk to gronk, open
inputs, then open dh0:, wait for the disk to gronk, open mf, wait for
the disk to gronk, open inputs. Now I have six windows cluttering up my
workbench, of which only two are of any conceivable interest to me but I
had to go through all that stupid directory tree of windows to get where
I wanted to be. Then after I copy the files, I have to go back and delete
them -- there's no "moving" of files across device boundaries using
WorkBench. (Actually SID is copying then deleting, but it's doing that
automatically -- I'm not having to do it).
Now in actuality all I did was go to the CLI and type "copy #?.mf
mf:inputs", followed by "delete #?.mf", but that's not the point. The
point is that since the workbench doesn't allow you to easily get to a
particular point in the directory tree without going through the
entire tree, those of us who have organized/ "deep" disks need a
faster way to get where we're going. Typing in the directory name for
where we're going is simply faster than wading through a silly tree.
That's also why I usually use "sid" when I'm moving archives to floppies
for backup... the stuff I want to archive is usually sitting someplace
like "dh2:tmp/finished", so I'd have to go through all those huge
directories to get there. Even with 2.1, big directories take a while for
Workbench to grok. Wading through several of them just to get to a directory
containing a whole five files I want to move to floppy does NOT strike
me as a fun time.
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Joel Edward Swan
>
>} >>I want a replacement for DirOpus since I think it's slow, badly programme
d
>,
>} >>still 1.3-compatible and BIG!
>} >>
>} >>Does anybody know if there is an alternative with an AREXX port?
>} >>
>} >>
>} >> -/*Andreas*/ FidoNet 2:200/114.1
>} >
>} >People at my user's group are always asking me what Directory Utility I
>} >use, I always answer CLI and they stare at me.
>} >
>} >But really, what's wrong with CLI and Workbench? What am I missing?
>} >I hope I'm not coming across as a jerk but what exactly do DirOpus,
>} >CLImate, DiskMaster and SID do that the CLI-Workbench 2.1-AREXX combo
>} >don't do?
>}
>} Save time. LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of time. I can flip between directories
That may be some of the root of misunderstanding. I do a LOT of file moving
and arc/dearcing on my system. Also searching and printing.
>} and move/copy/protect/archive anything much faster and easier than with the
>} CLI alone. Much faster than with WB as well.
>
>I must not be understanding. I don't spend LOTS and LOTS of time doing
And that's the bottom line. I wish you could look over my shoulder for 10
minutes. Then you would :-) Really. BTW- I too use CLI lots.
>anything of the kind... I find it convenient enough to work in multiple
>directories just by having two [or more] CLIs open. Generous [and obvious]
>use of ASSIGNs makes most of the usual moving around simple, and in
>any event I spend just about NO time doing any of that stuff, so even
>if the utility were psychic and guessed what I wanted to do and did
>it before I knew I wanted it done [so it took zero time]
Since when can you type file names in "zero" time. ;-)
>moving/copying/protecting just ain't gonna save me even a single LOTS of
>time. About the only thing I occasionally wish I had was something like
>the Unix "find" utility [but that was near-psychic, since a brute
>force search of my disk looking for a file name match is pretty much
>uselessly slow... I can usually remember where the damn file was before
>the search blunders across it].
There is a find that may be what you're looking for. It builds a file
database with the command updatedb and then the find command searches it
very quickly. It then list the directories and files that match.
I also wrote a set of two batch commands that will do the same thing, only
my database file is a bit larger (but gives more info). Let me know if you
want either one.
>So I have to echo the original question: what is it that you folks
>are doing so much and how do these utilities fit into the cycle, such
>that the utilities prove to be so valuable, since it would seem that
>our Amiga-use reflects VERY different patterns.
Hard to just explain with words (I'm no writer :-() but if I could SHOW
you on my machine, aaarg.
Here's a quick senario. I download LHa files to a download: directory. I
pop open DirOpus. One window shows download: and the other ram:. With one
mouse click I select the LHA file and immediately click in the RAM: window.
Bingo, the file unarcs to RAM:. I then see there is a READ.ME file. I
double click on the readme file and the text pops reader opens. By pressing
the left mouse button and moving top to bottom I can scroll all over the
file (there are key equivs for all of these, of course). If I want, while
in the text reader I type "s" (or click on "S" button) and then do a word
search. Hmm, I'll keep the text on paper. Type "p" or click on "P" and the
printer window pops up. Hmm, let's see, use title as header, pick the font
and style of the header - okay, add the page number and date - click click),
press "print" and bingo, hard copy. I decide to keep the file LHARCed in
another directory. Select "all" button for ram: and select delete. I then
pick the destination to move the LHA file, select the file and click on
"move." Done.
I know the explanation -sounds- long in print, but I can do it MUCH faster tha
n
anyone using all the CLI equivalents like muchmore, ptype, etc.
>
> /Bernie\
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Seeing is believing.
Joel Edward Swan
>: collection :), to select and act upon the files.
>
>: In the simple case, I would just use protect with a pattern and the
>: all switch.
And what if the files don't fit a patterm :-). Oops, type them all in one
by one. Hmm, with a dirutil, click at the most once on each file name and
press delete. You could also select them by pattern in DirOpus of course.
Very quick.
Joel Edward Swan
>> >subdirectory recursion ability (mask includes flags too).
>>
>> So does DirOpus. Trivial.
>
>With how many 'directory windows' ? BrowserII is limited by your memory size
Only one is needed for the above task. You can have directory recursion in
only one directory at a time. What are you trying to ask??
>(and the number of directories you have :-)...
>
>Multitasking ? While doing this, can you still use DirOpus to travel in
>the directory hierarchy or read a text file ? BrowserII allows you to
Yep :-) They've made the file readers, formatters, etc. as run alone
modules.
>do this while doing anything else (like copying 830Kb of lha archives
>from your harddisk to a floppy, wich is rather slooooow...)...
>
>BrowserII is a 'functionality-enhanced-but-text-only' Workbench. This means
>greatly increased power in comparison to these 'NortonCommander' clones...
Yeah, I used browser II for a while too, and still have it available on a
menu. It's pretty neat. It has strengths, as does each of the methods
mentioned here. It's just that I've found I never need it, or wb, or hardly
the CLI anymore these days. To each his own. Like I said before, I only
wish we could show each other our methods and machines in real time :-) We'd
all learn some neat new ideas!
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Joel Edward Swan
>
>>> >For instance how would you do if you had to change the flags of every fil
e
> of
>>> >a directory (assuming some of the files are in subdirectories) ?
>>>
>>> I would definitely use the Find shell command from my own ExtraCmds21p
>>> collection :), to select and act upon the files.
>>>
>>> In the simple case, I would just use protect with a pattern and the
>>> all switch.
>
>>Now, suppose the files whose protection you want to change are those
>>with the 'a' flag, may be in subdirectories, end with '.info' but do
>>not start with 'StayHere'. How would you do that ?
>
>I would say (to the Find mentioned above),
>
>find sys: type file flags a name #?.info name ~(StayHere#?) exec "protect {}
-
>a"
That command in itself is the best defense for dirutils ;-) Thanks.
>The argument to exec could be anything, of course. If yoy want to do
>it interactively, just say execok instead :)
>
>- Torsten
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-Joel
Joel Edward Swan
>Maxwell A Daymon <mda...@rainbow.sosi.com> wrote:
>> A well written directory
>> utility synthesizes the CLI and Workbench environment.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
> (is this the word you wanted to use?)
>
>In what way? Give us an example of a single operation that doesn't work
>just as easily on WB?
Until WB offers filetype detection, it lacks alot of usefulness. That and
buffered directory listings, and on and on.
In the meantime, read my quick description elsewhere of a quick dirutil
session. Can't do -most- of that session from WB. The part you can do
would take much longer.
>--
>Peter da Silva. <pe...@sugar.neosoft.com>.
> `-_-' Ja' abracas-te o teu lobo, hoje?
> 'U`
>Looks like UNIX, Feels like UNIX, works like MVS -- IBM advertisement.
Come on guys. :-) Each will obviously have it's strengths and weaknesses.
The only exception may be workbench. It has no clear advantages that beat
out both CLI and dirutil together. It may beat the CLI now and then, but
certainly never better than both. Okay, sometimes "as good as".... almost. :-
)
Joanne Albano
>But this is a place where the current (>=2.0) Workbench also really
>shines. In such situations I switch the WB windows to Show All Files,
>View by Names and click and drag there to my heart's content. You get
>practically the same comfort as with a directory utility, but still
>have the advantage to have as many directory windows open as you like,
>in sizes you can easily adapt to the situation.
I have noticed that show by name and size do not give you the size of
the whole directory and the files in bytes. Is there a way todo this?
We're thru bein cool
>Come on guys. :-) Each will obviously have it's strengths and weaknesses.
>The only exception may be workbench. It has no clear advantages that beat
>out both CLI and dirutil together. It may beat the CLI now and then, but
>certainly never better than both. Okay, sometimes "as good as".... almost. :-
Ahem. Maybe not by itself, but with Arexx, ToolManager, and, say,
Angie, it can get pretty efficient. For example: I download a
file, and to unpack it I drag it to the "Process" icon on my
ToolManager dock, where an Arexx script looks at it and automagically
uses the correct archive program to unpack it, then pops up
an Arq requester asking whether I want to delete the original
archive.
Or, I can drag a document file onto my View icon, and based on
the file's extension and some other attributes it will load the file into
MuchMore, AmigaGuide or even ViewTek (for IFF files) as appropriate,
automatically (I only have 2.04, so I can't use MultiView ;( ).
Jeremy
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Daniel Barrett
Hey, all you people who are saying that directory utilities
are so much better than CLI/Workbench...
How about writing a review of yours for c.s.a.reviews? Here's
your chance to say all the good and bad things about your directory
utility, give formal examples of operations that are easier/faster,
give benchmarks maybe...???
Write to amiga-revie...@math.uh.edu if you need
review guidelines.
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Kent Polk
> buffered directory listings, and on and on.
Not to mention that Peter's original Browser doesn't allocate 9 MB of
memory on my A4000 to list the contents of an NFS-mounted directory
that has about 300 files in it - like WorkBench does. And can list
that directory about 3 times faster than Workbench can.
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Peter da Silva
Joel Edward Swan <joe...@cup.portal.com> wrote:
> Only one is needed for the above task. You can have directory recursion in
> only one directory at a time. What are you trying to ask??
Let's say I have a directory full of files I want to distribute into
two or three other directories. Having more than two directories open at
a time is essential.
[one positive result from all this: I'm busily implementing Browser on X using
Tk/Tcl.]
Peter da Silva
> > -a"
Wimp. This is why I like UNIX. That way I can say really MANLY things like:
find `awk -F: '$3>=100 {print $6}'` -size +200 -print |
xargs du -s | awk '{ t += $1 } END { print t }'
Bernie Cosell
} >So I have to echo the original question: what is it that you folks
} >are doing so much and how do these utilities fit into the cycle, such
} >that the utilities prove to be so valuable, since it would seem that
} >our Amiga-use reflects VERY different patterns.
}
} Hard to just explain with words (I'm no writer :-() but if I could SHOW
} you on my machine, aaarg.
}
} Here's a quick senario. I download LHa files to a download: directory. I
} pop open DirOpus. One window shows download: and the other ram:. With one
} mouse click I select the LHA file and immediately click in the RAM: window.
} Bingo, the file unarcs to RAM:. I then see there is a READ.ME file. I
} double click on the readme file and the text pops reader opens. By pressing
} the left mouse button and moving top to bottom I can scroll all over the
} file (there are key equivs for all of these, of course). If I want, while
} in the text reader I type "s" (or click on "S" button) and then do a word
} search. Hmm, I'll keep the text on paper. Type "p" or click on "P" and the
} printer window pops up. Hmm, let's see, use title as header, pick the font
} and style of the header - okay, add the page number and date - click click),
} press "print" and bingo, hard copy. I decide to keep the file LHARCed in
} another directory. Select "all" button for ram: and select delete. I then
} pick the destination to move the LHA file, select the file and click on
} "move." Done.
Thanks very much for this description. Obviously it is different strokes
for different folks, since I do the very same sorts of things you describe
here --- I understand the cycle you describe very well... I suspect it is
one we all run through! But still, it is hard to see how dopus can
save much time.
I do it the old fashioned way: I *type* "lha x <file>", then I type
"ls", and "muchmore read.me" and such. I'd guess that I spend
maybe 1/100th of my time actually *typing* versus waiting for lha
to finish, reading the read.me file, scanning the files in the
directory. And so if *all* of the file manipulations were done
by magic and took _zero_ time, I don't think I'd even be able to
measure how much time.
So I guess that utilities like that just aren't for me. They may
make life easier and cleaner, but that's not a real factor for me
[obviously, YMMV], and I'm still just not convinced that it is
_really_ a time saver. As for all of the copying and protecting
and stuff, again, you folks are, apparenlty, in a pretty different
world from mine. If I have to move things around, it is almost
always a directory at a time [which is trivial from the CLI], and
it is hard for me to imagine a circumstance in which I'd want to
tweak the protection bits in 60% of the files in a directory [and
worse, whose names are not matches by a file-pattern].
On the other hand, I did learn long ago that folks' work
environments vary _wildly_ and so it is very difficult to predict
what sorts of utilities are actually useful --- either in an
esthetic sense or in an actual efficient sense. Some folks can't
live without a full Emacs, I [as it turns out] have always thought
Emacs was a bit of a crock and have favored simpler editors. I
thought C was a pretty good compromise as a language, but worked
with folks at both ends of the spectrum: folks who believed that if
you wanted it done right and fast, you should do it in assembler,
and folks at the other end who thought that C *was* little more
than a glorified assembler.
The only moral to keep in mind is that hyperbole is almost always
incorrect [e.g. that it saves 'LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of time'].
For a review/recommendation to be of any _real_ use I think you
have to be a bit more expository [as you were above] in just *why*
the utility is so time-effective.
[BTW as a side note, I wonder how much a careful and precise directory
structure [so things tend to be organized sensibly in directories, and
the directories are all in logical, easy to find places] makes something
like dopus less of a big-win. I have noticed that the work habits of
folk generally matches their favorite utilities, and so it might well
be that I'm a lot more careful about the directory hierarchy [since it
is such a critical part of my being able to navigate and manipulate
my HD effectively]; whereas dopus users have discovered that they don't
need to worry about that kind of thing, since dopus will handle
the details... dunno...]
Borge Noest
>...I have yet another suggestion. I swear by Chris Hames' DirWork...
Me too, but it can crash a filesystem task and doesn't handle AGA pics too
well :(.
>: Jason Compton Nothing Absolutely :
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Joel Edward Swan
>structure [so things tend to be organized sensibly in directories, and
>the directories are all in logical, easy to find places] makes something
>like dopus less of a big-win. I have noticed that the work habits of
Interesting you mention logical layout in directories. I'm sure you would
also agree that a generous dose of logical assigns would also help.
However, I can't agree with the conclusion that this would make something
like DirOpus less of a "big-win." Why? Simply because the logical layout
of directories also helps in the use of DirOpus.
I have clear cut sub-divisions of directories and a liberal use of logical
assigns. I find that it is very helpful for BOTH my CLI and DirOpus use.
When the layout design helps to limit typing in CLI, I find it also helps
eliminate clicking with DirOpus (or typing when I type the path in directly).
>folk generally matches their favorite utilities, and so it might well
>be that I'm a lot more careful about the directory hierarchy [since it
>is such a critical part of my being able to navigate and manipulate
>my HD effectively]; whereas dopus users have discovered that they don't
>need to worry about that kind of thing, since dopus will handle
>the details... dunno...]
Not at all. I don't think careful though out hierarchy is a CLI or DirOpus
or WB issue. Nada. It's a user issue.
> /Bernie\
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-Joel
d.g.legor ros
: > I've just been lloking on ftp.luth.se and I cannot find browserII
: pub/aminet/os20/wb/browser241.lha
I got hold of MTool, YUK! and Browser just caused my system to bomb,
I think I'll stick with SID
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Steve Dunham
: Gael_Marziou (ga...@gnlab027.grenoble.hp.com) wrote:
: : > I've just been lloking on ftp.luth.se and I cannot find browserII
: : > anywhere, care to give aby pointers?
: : You can find it in :
: : pub/aminet/os20/wb/browser241.lha
: : --
: : Gael Marziou : ga...@gnlab030.grenoble.hp.com or Gael_M...@hp6330.desk.hp.com
: I got hold of MTool, YUK! and Browser just caused my system to bomb,
: I think I'll stick with SID
ABCdir is the most beautiful and efficient program that I have seen
for doing these things, but I can't use it because it keeps
crashing... (Does anyone know of a bugfree version? I'm using an
A1200 with 6M of RAM)
Steve Dunham
dun...@gdl.msu.edu
Marc 'Nepomuk' Heuler
> > At times it can be nice to see two directories at one time...
>
> Workbench does that.
>
> It also lets you see three directories at a time.
>
> Or four.
I tried, right now. Show all files, view by name. Clicked on the Tool
drawer. Waited ~30 secs. Beep, the display flashes and the title bar
tells me to free some chip memory. Gee, I have 1 MB of chipmemory (~700K
free before trying to look at the directory), which is enough to hold my
tool directory 20 times _inclusive_a_complete_copy_of_Directory_Opus_.
If Workbench doesn't display 290 files one time, how should it show them
four times?
BTW, Workbench now canceled one of my scripts - it complained there's not
chip memory left and quit. Boy, I hate Workbench.
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Maxwell A Daymon
: drawer. Waited ~30 secs. Beep, the display flashes and the title bar
: tells me to free some chip memory. Gee, I have 1 MB of chipmemory (~700K
: free before trying to look at the directory), which is enough to hold my
: tool directory 20 times _inclusive_a_complete_copy_of_Directory_Opus_.
: If Workbench doesn't display 290 files one time, how should it show them
: four times?
The reason Workbench can't do this is because it stores all the filenames
and dates as one HUGE graphic image. (That scrolls slower than an XT
running Windoze) Directory Opus and all other INTELLIGENTLY programmed
dir utils store directories ***AS TEXT***
THIS is why the Shell/Workbench combination doesn't work. Even in OS3.0
(and probably 3.1) Even though it buffers the image in fast RAM, it's
still stored as an GRAPHIC IMAGE.
Once Commodore `resolves' this little problem, the Shell/Workbench vs
DirUtil wars can start again. Until then, because of that one MAJOR
problem, Workbench is a joke for managing files.
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> ABCdir is the most beautiful and efficient program that I have seen
> for doing these things, but I can't use it because it keeps
> crashing... (Does anyone know of a bugfree version? I'm using an
> A1200 with 6M of RAM)
Beautiful it can be (can't remember well, I only tested it once...), but
not good: That damn shell - it has won't understand that some people use
Csh (csh won't get closed with 'endcli'!) and those file lists use mouse
buttons so nonstandardically that it makes me sick... YUCK! :(
I stick with DirWork and keep waiting for update (to get add icon which
uses OS def_icons (anything non-MagicWBish looks ugly ;)) and more file
types etc).
> Steve Dunham
> dun...@gdl.msu.edu
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Jonathan Potter
>DirOpus, to put it plainly, if a fat bloated old cow that should be taken out
>behind the barn and shot, repeatedly.
Over 25,000 Amiga users and most of the Amiga magazines think you're wrong.
And I hope you've registered DirWork.
Jon
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Maxwell A Daymon
: In article <bpoag...@bbs1984.chi.il.us> bp...@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bowie J. Poag) writes:
: >DirOpus, to put it plainly, if a fat bloated old cow that should be taken out
: >behind the barn and shot, repeatedly.
: Over 25,000 Amiga users and most of the Amiga magazines think you're wrong.
: And I hope you've registered DirWork.
If INOVA wasn't the one selling DirOpus, I'd have 4.11 in a minute.
I SHOULD have origninally gotten 4.0, but even though it was advertised for
months it wasn't available yet and I got 3.41 instead - then I was told I
couldn't return it. I called INOVA right when 4.0 came out and whoever it
was on the other end wanted my credit card number for a $75 upgrade!
Needless to say I hung up on him and got the $50 upgrade offer in the mail
Upgrade for 3.41 owners (to 4.0) was $50 + shipping
" " (to 4.11) $50 + shipping
How much to buy it BRAND NEW mail order? $56 + shipping.
THAT is absurd!
* If I pay the extra $6, that gives me the right to run DirOpus 3.41 on
one machine and 4.11 on another (also, I could sell 3.41 to make back the
$6 extra - and chances are - I'd make back more than $6)
* I could upgrade and "save" $6. If I did this, I'd still only have ONE
usage license and COULD NOT LEGALLY SELL the old version! (So I could not
make back the money I spent on the upgrade)
My choice? Neither, I threw DirOpus in the closet. It makes me sick to
even look at the thing. I won't sell it because I don't feel it would be
morally correct to LET someone else have it. I think DirOpus is the one
of the biggest rip-offs in the Amiga market, and it's because of one
thing: the upgrade scam.
Directory Opus? It's a good program (although I wish they'd KILL every
ounce of 1.3 code in there) It was ALMOST good enough to overlook the
OBVIOUS rip-off ala INOVA, but not quite...
I have a feeling I'll be a shell/workbench person for a while longer.
(Keep in mind I received DirOpus 3.41 DAYS before 4.0 came out, which was
the SPECIFIC VERSION I requested.)
Maxwell Daymon
mda...@rainbow.sosi.com
Jonathan Potter
>Directory Opus? It's a good program (although I wish they'd KILL every
>ounce of 1.3 code in there) It was ALMOST good enough to overlook the
>OBVIOUS rip-off ala INOVA, but not quite...
All 1.3 code will be gone in the next version. There's not actually
that much 1.3 code in there actually; mostly it's just that features
aren't available unless you're running 2.0.
>I have a feeling I'll be a shell/workbench person for a while longer.
>(Keep in mind I received DirOpus 3.41 DAYS before 4.0 came out, which was
>the SPECIFIC VERSION I requested.)
If you requested 4.0 and received 3.41 I'm VERY surprised you weren't
able to return it - whom did you buy it from originally? Inovatronics
directly or somewhere else?
As to the upgrade cost; basically, the SRP was raised for 4.0 and the
upgrade cost from 3.41 followed along behind. I wouldn't feel too badly
about it - I just upgraded Borland C++ to 3.1 for $395, and one month
later 4.0 came out for another $275 (total cost of the package new is only
$795). Spitting :-)
Maxwell A Daymon
Mike Noreen
JP> Over 25,000 Amiga users and most of the Amiga magazines think you're
JP> wrong. And I hope you've registered DirWork.
500 Millions flies doesn't make eating shit right. DiskMaster is more
powerful and far faster and smaller than DOpus. IMHO.
JP> Jon
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Borge Noest
>>DirOpus, to put it plainly, if a fat bloated old cow that should be taken out
>>behind the barn and shot, repeatedly.
>Over 25,000 Amiga users and most of the Amiga magazines think you're
>wrong.
And this user thinks he's right. So what does that tell us? Nothing.
>And I hope you've registered DirWork.
Nope. But it's worth registering. I'm waiting to buy the next version of
it.
>| Jonathan Potter | | |
Karsten Weiss
JP> All 1.3 code will be gone in the next version. There's not actually
JP> that much 1.3 code in there actually; mostly it's just that features
JP> aren't available unless you're running 2.0.
Hopefully this 'About' picture will be gone, too. What a waste of
memory!
So long,
Karsten
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Svein Kolden
It may not be the most advanced, and certenly not the most
updated file-utility, but I have used as long as I can
remember, and NOTHING shall make me use DirOpus !!!!!
Filemaster (I use v2.0, any newer ??) does all I want it to
(except showing AGA :-( , and you should at least give it
a try...
Yours, Frode Gill
(Norway, so ignore any misspelling !!)
Paul van der Heu
: I have a feeling I'll be a shell/workbench person for a while longer.
: (Keep in mind I received DirOpus 3.41 DAYS before 4.0 came out, which was
: the SPECIFIC VERSION I requested.)
Try to get ahold of the januari issue of Amiga Format and be a happy user of
DiskMaster 2.1c .. more configurable, total control and only 80K .. you can
EVEN use it on an original A1000 (running KS1.2) with 256K ..
Dopus is WAY to big for what it's supposed to do.. And gives me less control.
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Dierk Schroeder
> I prefere a program called 'FileMaster'.
> It may not be the most advanced, and certenly not the most
> updated file-utility, but I have used as long as I can
> remember, and NOTHING shall make me use DirOpus !!!!!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
HI, could you please tell me why? It works fine for me for
over a year now and I扉e never been sorry to by this
programm.
Dierk
Wenn es einen Weg gibt, eine wichtige Entscheidung zu verzoegern, so wird ihn
eine gute Buerokratie, ob oeffentlich oder privat, ohne Zweifel finden.
Alan MacAnespie
[discussion about DirOpus features deleted]
> Hopefully this 'About' picture will be gone, too. What a waste of
> memory!
>
> | UUCP: kar...@addx.stgt.sub.org | 'Life Is Ours, |
Actually, in e-correspondence with Jonathon Potter, he stated that the
About picture was constructed by drawing, not a bitmap. I don't have my
notes, but I think he said it was something like 4K. (It was definitely
less than 10K total).
BTW, has anyone else looked at the AREXX scripts on Aminet that allow
Dopus to display the contents of LhA files like the archive was a
directory? These are cool! You can select individual files for
extraction just as if they were regular files in a directory.
Hmm, let's see. The Aminet entry is:
DOpusLhARexx.lha util/dir 25K 20+DOpus ARexx scripts for LhA support
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