Timothy RUE exposed.
The following is just a little something I snipped from the racter.faq
[BEGIN SNIP]
In 1984, William Chamberlain published a book called "The Policeman's Beard
is Half Constructed" (Warner Books, NY. 0-446-38051-2, paper $9.95). The
introduction claims: "With the exception of this introduction, the writing
in this book was all done by computer."
The authorship is attributed to RACTER, "written in compiled BASIC on a Z80
with 64k of RAM." Racter (the program) was co-authored by Chamberlain and
Thomas Etter.
The introduction goes on to claim that Racter strings together words
according to "syntax directives", and that the illusion of coherence is
increased by repeated re-use of text variables.
Only the most generous interpretation of these claims will hold up under
close scrutiny. None of the long pieces in the book could have been
produced except by using elaborate boilerplate templates that are *not*
included in the commercially available release of Racter. Nor does the Inrac
language include any sort of 'syntax directive' powerful enough to string
words together into a form like the published stories.
So Racter never *adds* any coherence to the templates-- it's text-template
'degeneration' more than text generation. And this truth is further
disguised by using templates that are themselves 'wacky', leading one to
attribute to Racter a style that's really Chamberlain's.
Still, it's a fine piece of work! The Macintosh version (at least) includes
speech synthesis, and is lots of fun. And the Inrac compiler, for inputting
your own templates, is quite an elaborate achievement that deserves
considerable honor for pioneering this genre, and will surely *someday*
inspire better successors.
...
Policeman's Beard 'output'
At all events my own essays and dissertations about love and its endless
pain and perpetual pleasure will be known and understood by all of you who
read this and talk or sing or chant about it to your worried friends or
nervousenemies. Love is the question and the subject of this essay. We will
commence with a question does steak love lettuce? This quesion is
implacably hard and inevitably difficult to answer. Here is a question
does an electron love a proton, or does it love a neutron? Here is a
question does a man love a woman or, to be specific and to be precise,
does Bill love Diane? The interesting and critical response to this
question is no! He is obsessed and infatuated with her. He is loony and
crazy about her. That is not the love of steak and lettuce, of electron and
proton and neutron. This dissertation will show that the love of a man and
a woman is not the love of steak and lettuce. Love is interesting to me and
fascinating to you but it is painful to Bill and Diane. That is love!
[END SNIP]
Eerie isn't it.
Could RUE really stand for Racter Unix Emailer?
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[snip]
> Eerie isn't it.
> Could RUE really stand for Racter Unix Emailer?
ROTFL! This is absolutely brilliant, but I don't think it's quite true. The
Racter output made more sense :-)
On a serious note, I have no real problem with Timothy at all; his grasp of
grammar may become frustrating to the reader, but in the long run,
everybody should be able to express themselves. The primary reason I /like/
Tim's postings is that one day I posted to the guy and said "You're off
topic, go away", because I was in a bad mood that day; but his reply was so
brilliant, it made me laugh out loud.
Anyway, I'm developing a program called TROUT to filter news postings
through, the Tim Rue Obfuscated Unintelligable Translator. Tim, beware!
With the aid of TROUT I can now understand your postings. You are scarey
:-)
In order to preserve the sanitiy of the newsgroup, I cannot allow TROUT to
go public, there are some things that the world must not know.... "The
truth is out there.... somewhere..."
I would have supported your theory wholeheartedly if it were not for the
fact that I have spoken with a man over the phone purporting to be Timothy
Rue, and others claim to have met him. True, it could be all part of an
elaborate hoax. The quality of exchange with Tim doesn't seem to be of a
higher caliber than with the Turing AI test machines I've talked to.
Jason Compton
Editor, Amiga Report Magazine
>I would have supported your theory wholeheartedly if it were not for the
>fact that I have spoken with a man over the phone purporting to be Timothy
>Rue, and others claim to have met him. True, it could be all part of an
>elaborate hoax. The quality of exchange with Tim doesn't seem to be of a
>higher caliber than with the Turing AI test machines I've talked to.
>Jason Compton
>Editor, Amiga Report Magazine
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>I would have supported your theory wholeheartedly if it were not for the
>fact that I have spoken with a man over the phone purporting to be Timothy
>Rue, and others claim to have met him. True, it could be all part of an
>elaborate hoax.
Did you make a distinction between T. Rue Jr. and Sr.? Just because a
human entity calls himself Tim Rue doesn't mean that a software version
with the same name can't also exist. :)
>The quality of exchange with Tim doesn't seem to be of a higher caliber
>than with the Turing AI test machines I've talked to.
Do tell! That had to be interesting.
Kirk Strauser | Member // | Teknique on Undernet/#AmigaCafe,
kstr...@pcis.net | Team AMIGA \X/ | http://www.pcis.net/kstrauser/
Thomas Tavoly wrote in message ...
>
>In article <6bvh2f$c9g$1...@flood.xnet.com> jcom...@typhoon.xnet.com (Jason
Compton) writes:
>>
>> I would have supported your theory wholeheartedly if it were not for the
>> fact that I have spoken with a man over the phone purporting to be
Timothy
>> Rue, and others claim to have met him. True, it could be all part of an
>> elaborate hoax. The quality of exchange with Tim doesn't seem to be of a
>> higher caliber than with the Turing AI test machines I've talked to.
>
>While I didn't have the stamina to search for the Zonpower connection on
his
>pages (as 'crajk' suggests it's present), I did take a look at the neo-tech
>pages, and if he is linked to these _very_ $cientology like people he needs
>help, rather than irony.
I maintain: He's Nyarlathotep.
The very WORM THAT CRAWLS!
IA!
IA!
sorry about that.
>"Today we celebrate the first, glorious anniversary of the Information
>Purification Device! We have created, for the first time in all History, a
>garden of pure Ideology, where each worker may bloom, secure from the pests
>of any contradictory and confusing truths. Our unification of thoughts is
>more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army on Earth. We are one people!
>With one will. One resolve. One cause. Our enemies shall talk themselves
>to death, and we will bury them with their own confusion. WE SHALL PREVAIL."
Bill --
Isn't this what the "Big Brother" character in the original Macintosh "1984"
TV commercial was saying in the background? Or does it come from something
else? I know I've heard it somewhere...
Cheers,
Steve Folberg
Re...@texas.net
"It is not your job to complete the work
But neither are you free to abstain from it..."
--R. Tarfon, Pirkei Avot
Steven Folberg wrote in message <940.347T24...@texas.net>...
>On 12-Feb-98 06:01:01, Bill hath written...
[kersnip - it should be at the end of this post]
>Bill --
>
>Isn't this what the "Big Brother" character in the original Macintosh
"1984"
>TV commercial was saying in the background? Or does it come from something
>else? I know I've heard it somewhere...
Yep. That's where it came from (the 1984 commercial).
I like it just because it's a rare example of improvised/paraphrased
great literature being used in such a way (multimedia art, in this case,
the 1984 commercial).
Another recent favorite is the "Something Wicked This Way Comes"
commercials for...Pontiac?
ObAmiga: Unfortunately, the AVI file for the 1984 commercial is
over 12 megs, and being as it's an AVI, I don't know if there's an AVI
playback tool on the Amiga. Last time I asked about it, I wrote the
author of MainActor[1], and his reply was that since most AVIs used
Intel Indeo Codec which requires a big fee to write a decompressor
for, AVI was hard to support on the Amiga.
The QuickTime is only 5 megs but the picture is ABOMINABLE.
[2]
It's a tiny postage stamp image on my 1024x728 display and it's
just plain cruddy - makes all those old MPEG 1's that I used to
download and play on my A1200/030/6 look GOOD by comparison.
[1] Really great program; even the average amiga user can
be doing homegrown nonlinear editing in a very short time with this
tool. PC OS/2 & WinNT versions exist, too. Also, someone
correct me if there IS a good AVI playback tool on the Amiga
these days (or several of them!) - I don't want to spread
disinformation.
[2] Which is really ironic - the Apple can't play back a decent
version of it's "birth commercial" (Well, maybe it looks good
on those weird-assed Mac monitors that display...um,
571 x Pi resolutions or whatever the fuck they do...)
All of this aside, and to stay on topic:
Tim Rue is Nyarlathotep. See original post.
Got to agree here. Tim, to my mind, contributes to the flavour of this
group. c.s.a.m without the TR posts would be sort of like New York
without the Yellow cabs.
And he comes up with some great ripostes.
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In article <6bvh2f$c9g$1...@flood.xnet.com> jcom...@typhoon.xnet.com (Jason Compton) writes:
>
> I would have supported your theory wholeheartedly if it were not for the
> fact that I have spoken with a man over the phone purporting to be Timothy
> Rue, and others claim to have met him. True, it could be all part of an
> elaborate hoax. The quality of exchange with Tim doesn't seem to be of a
> higher caliber than with the Turing AI test machines I've talked to.
While I didn't have the stamina to search for the Zonpower connection on his
pages (as 'crajk' suggests it's present), I did take a look at the neo-tech
pages, and if he is linked to these _very_ $cientology like people he needs
help, rather than irony.
...
_ . Thomas Tavoly
. _ // . aTm...@amiga.cistron.nl
. \X/ http://www.cistron.nl/~ttavoly
... 5.1
Not really. The Turing machines just keep going on and on about the same
damn thing, no matter what you say to them. And their initial point isn't
that interesting. Much like Tim.
--
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Editor-in-Chief, Amiga Report Magazine VP, Legacy Maker Inc.
http://www.cucug.org/ar/ http://www.xnet.com/~jcompton/
Choose and renounce... throwing chains to the floor.
>While I didn't have the stamina to search for the Zonpower connection on his
>pages (as 'crajk' suggests it's present), I did take a look at the neo-tech
>pages, and if he is linked to these _very_ $cientology like people he needs
>help, rather than irony.
Hey, there's another word you might look up, "scientology"
Thru the Neo Tech search at http://www.neo-tech.com/
Let me remove this death cycle sting called cult mystery.
For so many that want to believe in illusions,
just don't want to see integrated honesty.
The scope of this Neo Tech cult is trap, and it's as simple as that.
But don't be mislead, it's inherently a step up to honesty.
The double edge sword, playing greed against greed.
So if you want to know psychic mystery not, one of the tools of greed,
have a look see, there's NO MYSTERY of what they say, this truth or that.
They say the truth will set you free, but it's really integrated honesty,
and more than removes the sting of the death cycle bee.
It's really all just a matter of compatability, integrated honesty of
not what they say is this truth and that, but of natural law, reality.
So if you just want believe in illusions, then at least take a step up to
an illusion compatable with integrated honesty.
And Tac Toe greed against greed.
Who knows, maybe you'll see the research and exposure of dishonesty.
For the dishonest can't help but hide, using the death cycle bee.
But thru integrated honesty, we, the first and the last,
can easily dismiss the death cycle bee, to receive life with infinity.
MYSTERY NOT any more!
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© 1998 by Timothy Rue
(My IP for all to see)
>I maintain: He's Nyarlathotep.
>The very WORM THAT CRAWLS!
Like the one thru the ICOA logo?
>IA!
>IA!
>sorry about that.
>Not really. The Turing machines just keep going on and on about the same
>damn thing, no matter what you say to them. And their initial point isn't
>that interesting. Much like Tim.
Oh, a mistake on me, I thought you ment the AI/ICOA REBOL VIC oven.
Life, a disinteresting cycle needing to stop?
Maybe for you but not for me. Thank you J.C.
Ok, I'll bite.
What on earth is an AI/ICOA REBOL VIC oven?
It sounds like something from Star Trek to me.
> Life, a disinteresting cycle needing to stop?
That must be an anagram of something. Any takers?
And TIM stands for Totally Irrelevent Material?
You failed to mention that 'Racter' was also out for the amiga (I still
have it around somewhere, it came out in the days of Wb1.1 - I haven't
tried it on a modern machine. It was one of the first pieces of software
to use narrator.device. Great for showing off what the amiga could do
back in '86 but I got bored with it rather quickly
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> Still, it's a fine piece of work! The Macintosh version (at least)
> includes speech synthesis, and is lots of fun.
The Amiga version did as well, using translator of course.
> Eerie isn't it.
> Could RUE really stand for Racter Unix Emailer?
THAT makes even more sense than the ELIZA theory! The only flaw is that
the Amiga version at least didn't output to a standard window or file,
making it impossible or difficult to capture the text. But I suppose a
clever hacker could get around that.
I'm about 90% convinced. Seriously!
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[ etc etc etc ]
>MYSTERY NOT any more!
>---------------------
>© 1998 by Timothy Rue
>(My IP for all to see)
>Web @ http://www.mindspring.com/~timrue/ >INPUT->(Processing)->OUTPUT>v
Uh-huh...
To this, I say the following:
Quite frankly, a modest correction rivals, in terms of resource
implications, the management factor. This may intuitively flounder
on the general milestones.
It goes without saying that an overall understanding of the assumptions
about the functional reconstruction definitely alters the importance
of the responsive epistemological concept or the fourth-generation
environment. For example, the quest for the issue of the universal
item reinforces the weaknesses in the inductive monitored program.
This may retroactively flounder on the passive result.
Despite an element of volatility an unambiguous concept of the
adequate timing control capitalises on the strengths of the commitment
to industry standards on a strictly limited basis. The objective
of the key principles behind the base information is to delineate
the configuration apriorism. We need to be able to rationalise what
is beginning to be termed the "primary referential option". Up to
a certain point, the dominant factors cannot always help us. For
example, an extrapolation of the assumptions about the corroborated
transformation is of considerable importance from the production
aspect. It might seem reasonable to think of the legitimate configuration
program as involving the necessity for the subsystem resource allocation.
Nevertheless, the lack of understanding of the methodological organisational
algorithm makes little difference to the negative aspects of any
ad-hoc epistemological metaphor.
It is not often fundementally stated that there is an apparent
contradiction between the primary conceptual remediation and the
meaningful referential concept. However, the legitimate politico
strategical specification has the intrinsic benefit of resilience,
unlike the the universe of reference.
In a very real sense, the reproducible epistemological theme
in its relation to the necessity for the hypothetical transformation
provides an ideallised framework for the total system rationale.
Whilst it may be true that the classic definition of the contingency
planning represents a different business risk. There is an apparent
contradiction between the adequate development of any necessary measures
and the logical macro faculty. However, the secondary transitional
constraints has fundemental repercussions for the infrastructure
of configuration functionality. This trend may dissipate due to the
a percentage of the monitored algorithm, one must not lose sight
of the fact that the assertion of the importance of the the necessity
for bugetary control cannot be shown to be relevant. This is in contrast
to the evolution of extrinsic specifications over a given time limit.
Within normal variability initiation of the fundemental dichotomies
of overall factor recognises deficiencies in the the total system
rationale. It might seem reasonable to think of the radical conventionalism
as involving the metathetical extrinsic item. Nevertheless, the subordinated
extrinsic proposal may be fundementally important. The fourth-generation
environment focuses our attention on the general milestones. This
may be due to a lack of a parallel empirical hardware..
...
All this, courtesy of a program called 'buzz'. I can't remember where I
got it from, but it'll generate this kind of stuff all day if you want...
Cheers,
Nik.
--
Home: n...@slipstream.demon.co.uk
Work: ni...@argonaut.com
>[blah blah blah]
>>All this, courtesy of a program called 'buzz'. I can't remember where I
>>got it from, but it'll generate this kind of stuff all day if you want...
>*LOL* - The only difference between timrue and buzz is that the former's
>word database is extremely buggy.
Here's one for you:
How do you tell the difference between a timrue and a computer?
A computer is either as dumb as those who control it or as near smart as
the combined community. But as individuals, each with our personal human
dynamics and error prone as we are, thru teamwork we have community smarts.
Personally my joke, logical as it is,..... hmmm, I must not have a sence
of humor at this depth of thought. :-\
Community spirit is one hell of a selling point. It sounds like a point B,
to me.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
*3 S.E.A.S - Virtual Interaction Configuration (VIC) - VISION OF VISIONS!*
*~ ~ ~ Advancing the way we Perceive and Use the Tool of Computers!*
Timothy Rue What's DONE in anything we do?
Email @ tim...@mindspring.com *AI PK OI IP OP SF IQ ID KE*
Web @ http://www.mindspring.com/~timrue/ >INPUT->(Processing)->OUTPUT>v
>>MYSTERY NOT any more!
>>---------------------
>>© 1998 by Timothy Rue
>>(My IP for all to see)
>Uh-huh...
>To this, I say the following:
> Quite frankly, a modest correction rivals, in terms of resource
>implications, the management factor. This may intuitively flounder
>on the general milestones.
Ouch, I used to write this way(for work). Now I live in Kentucky and I can
say things like "Ain't, Y'all, Doin, and Pass the Moonshine". :)
Ain't that fun?
>...
>All this, courtesy of a program called 'buzz'. I can't remember where I
>got it from, but it'll generate this kind of stuff all day if you want...
Who do I have to kill to get that? Is it on Aminet? Does it run on the
Amiga?
>Nik.
>Home: n...@slipstream.demon.co.uk
>Work: ni...@argonaut.com
<TSB>
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gwt @ gte.net |Amiga2000/020/14mhz/3.1 8 megs ram,2.3 gig/Supra28.8|
How do you know when its time to tune your bagpipes?
[blah blah blah]
>All this, courtesy of a program called 'buzz'. I can't remember where I
>got it from, but it'll generate this kind of stuff all day if you want...
*LOL* - The only difference between timrue and buzz is that the former's
word database is extremely buggy.
--
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UAE 0.6.9 Win32/DirectX @ http://www.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/~ortmann/uae/
{snip}
>>All this, courtesy of a program called 'buzz'. I can't remember where I
>>got it from, but it'll generate this kind of stuff all day if you want...
>Who do I have to kill to get that? Is it on Aminet? Does it run on the
>Amiga?
Nobody, according to you, all you need do is take the better of the two,
me. Care to help with the VIC, or do you want something else to do it for
you? Buuuuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Just point to the sky, before the bee stings you.
You can at least play-back Indeo AVIs now using xanim. But you may
have to build it yourself. The required object file can be found at
<URL:ftp://xanim.va.pubnix.com/modules/xa2.0_iv32_amiga.lha>.
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