Info on Mehdi Ali
Marc N. Barrett
Here's some info I've uncovered on Mehdi R. Ali, the TOTALLY inept
Commodore Vice President who is probably the most responsible for the
demise of Commodore and the death of the Amiga. He lives in Ridgefield
Connecticut, and his address is 69 Main Street. His phone number (as of
about a year ago, I think this is still current though) is
(203) 431-0632. He got a second phone line, which I do not know the
number for, but if I get it I'll be sure to post it.
Have fun guys. :)
+++++++
++++ Marc Barrett -MB-
++ IRC nick: Cyclone | e-mail: bar...@iastate.edu
E.john Love
: Here's some info I've uncovered on Mehdi R. Ali, the TOTALLY inept
: Have fun guys. :)
I don't know, but I actually think that posting someone's personal contact
information (like home phone numbers, etc.) for the purpose of encouraging
others to "have fun" harrassing them is just plain wrong. I don't care WHO
it is.
I'm disappointed in how things have gone for CBM and the Amiga, being a
long-time user (and now a developer), but this kind of activity just screams
"no class, fanactical user" to me.
Mr. Barrett, please don't be irresponsible, or encourage others to be.
Cheers!!
E. John Love
Art Director
TVI
George Greene
I think we should just turn MB in to his system Admin and Ali as the
one who posted the address and ph#.
I think MB would get a nice big fine for it and maybe lose his
account to boot.
G.
Bruno Fernandes
George Greene <ggr...@koko.csustan.edu> wrote:
>
>I think we should just turn MB in to his system Admin and Ali as the
>one who posted the address and ph#.
>I think MB would get a nice big fine for it and maybe lose his
>account to boot.
I doubt it. It's not as if someone in CT with a phone book could not
have found the same info. Even if the number was unlisted, it would not
be too hard to gather up such info. Why not stop being a turd and cut
Marc some slack? I think he perhaps meant the info as a sort of peace
offering. No matter what he posts, there will always be people jumping
down his throat.
Bruno.
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Greg, Friendly Neighborhood Poet
> <phone number and address deleted, among other things>
> Have fun guys. :)
/\-------(my arrow)
To which E.joh...@tvi.wimsey.com (E.john Love) responded:
>...this kind of activity just screams "no class, fanactical user" to me.
The smiley brings to e-mail and news the same effect as a
smile/smirk/laugh in real life. Smileys are your friends. Smileys are
a good thing. :)
And then, George Greene <ggr...@koko.csustan.edu> wrote:
>I think we should just turn MB in to his system Admin and Ali as the
>one who posted the address and ph#.
>I think MB would get a nice big fine for it and maybe lose his
>account to boot.
Be serious. You want to whine to his sysadmin and the authorities
(who no doubt have more valuable things to do) about a user posting
information already in the public domain. Ever hear of a street list?
A phone book? You or I can get a street listing from any city or town
in the country. You or I (in the US; I don't know about elsewhere)
can get a phone book of any area in the country. I can give you my
friend's unlisted phone number. Is it a crime? Not to my knowledge.
I can just see the message from MB's sysadmin....
"Mr Barrett, I am forced to revoke your account....It has been
brought to my attention that you posted a person's address and
telephone number on an Internet newsgroup....As you know, the posting
of publicly-accessible information in such forums is strictly
forbidden."
I don't understand the stigma around Marc Barrett. I've been
lurking here for a couple years, and he hasn't offended my
sensibilities yet. I have disagreed with some of his thoughts, but I
haven't seen anything to make me flame a post merely because his name
is on it. Granted, this is more of a borderline case, but I've seen
much more innocuous posts (by him) get flamed to hell and back.
I guess that's life.
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Richard Boyd
>: Have fun guys. :)
>Cheers!!
Do not call this number (assuming it is real in the first place). In the
United States, calling someone to harrass them is illegal. Many states
have severe phone stalking laws. I'd stay away from this one.
Zsolt Szabo
> I don't understand the stigma around Marc Barrett. I've been
>lurking here for a couple years, and he hasn't offended my
>sensibilities yet. I have disagreed with some of his thoughts, but I
>haven't seen anything to make me flame a post merely because his name
>is on it. Granted, this is more of a borderline case, but I've seen
>much more innocuous posts (by him) get flamed to hell and back.
People hate him because he posts negative but accuratte information about
C=, the Amiga, the future of the Amiga, etc. In fact, if my memory serves
me right, I believe it was he who first posted about the cancellation of
certain events, the liquidation of certain C= subsidiaries, and
eventually the liquidation of C=. Of course back then people told him
that he just did that to be a dick.
Well, after people realized that he wasn't full of it, but in fact was right
most of the time, they started hating him all the more. Sort of like the
Grim Reaper, who is not inherently evil but always brings bad news and is
thus disliked by everyone who doesn't understand his intentions. He's the
person who will say what is obvious, yet feared by all to such a degree
that they dare not think of it.
Ernie Gorrie
Barrett) writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <30id34$9...@news.iastate.edu>
> Posted: 20 Jul 1994 05:35:32 GMT
>
> Org. : Iowa State University, Ames, IA
>
>
> Here's some info I've uncovered on Mehdi R. Ali, the TOTALLY inept
> Commodore Vice President who is probably the most responsible for the
> demise of Commodore and the death of the Amiga. He lives in Ridgefield
> Connecticut, and his address is 69 Main Street. His phone number (as of
> about a year ago, I think this is still current though) is
> (203) 431-0632. He got a second phone line, which I do not know the
> number for, but if I get it I'll be sure to post it.
>
> Have fun guys. :)
>
> +++++++
> ++++ Marc Barrett -MB-
> ++ IRC nick: Cyclone | e-mail: bar...@iastate.edu
What a jerk you are.
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George Greene
Well then I guess calling the campus where has his account
and talking to the Admin Offcie and the Vp in charge about
this post wouldn't do a thing....Guess What the people there
were not happy at all this was not on the person I talk to
top ten list of smart things to do on the net.
I don't care if MB flams the hel out of me or the amiga thats
what a Kill File is for. but when you make a post putting
a persons Ph# and Address giving thosands of people a way making
ass of them self by calling a Ph# that could be anyones is just
plan dum.
Who ever phone number it is isn't having fun folks their answering
a lot of phone calls and maybe having to change a # they had for
years and why because a bunch ass holes call them all hours of the
night.
MB is most likly sitting back a laughing his ass off at the way
he bated some of us in to calling this number and it really sad.
But if the Campus Administer ment what he said I don't think
MB will be laughing for long. (shit falls harder from the top!)
Think of it this way if MB had posted your home phone and address
wwould you like it?? of some one posted MB you think he like it??
I thought that MB was an ass but boy I didn't think he was this
big of one.
Flam away I know some of you will but thats what kill files are for..
Geo.
Michael van Elst
>People hate him because he posts negative but accuratte information about
>C=, the Amiga, the future of the Amiga, etc.
Well, he most often comes with one or two pieces of information he found
in a magazine or newspaper. But then he starts to draw conclusions that
are utter wrong.
>eventually the liquidation of C=. Of course back then people told him
>that he just did that to be a dick.
I wouldn't call him dick. Too much honor.
Regards,
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Gavan Moran
> People hate him because he posts negative but accuratte information about
> C=, the Amiga, the future of the Amiga, etc. In fact, if my memory serves
> me right, I believe it was he who first posted about the cancellation of
> certain events, the liquidation of certain C= subsidiaries, and
> eventually the liquidation of C=. Of course back then people told him
> that he just did that to be a dick.
> Well, after people realized that he wasn't full of it, but in fact was right
> most of the time, they started hating him all the more. Sort of like the
Thats a load of crap. Barrett was saying xx is dead, there will be no
yy chipset etc. for years, and most of the time he was just plain WRONG
or lying. Eventually, C= did go bust but it hardly took a genius to
figure that out. If Barrett was 'right' about that it was sheer coincidence
as he was CONTINUALLY claiming C= was just about to go bust. He was always
posting things about 'insider contacts' at cbm claiming the cancellation of
various things and was WRONG about 70% of the time. He simply threw
so much lies and misinformation out that some of them were (coincidentally)
correct.
If you REALLY want to see an offensive dickhead though, check out
the 'socially challenged' Dave Connors - some sort of screwed up
loser from Australia who's currently offending people on most of the
Amiga groups. I guess there either (a) Aren't many people around that
part of Australia and he spends his days posting to Amiga groups
and nights shagging sheep or
(b) Is such an anti-social wanker that nobody wants to know him.
I think the latter is the more likely.
Gavan
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Greg, Friendly Neighborhood Poet
George Greene <ggr...@koko.csustan.edu> wrote:
>In article <30jk4m$m...@bigboote.WPI.EDU> gr...@oconnor.WPI.EDU (Greg,
Friendly Neighborhood Poet) writes: >>In a fury of articles,
>>Marc N. Barrett (bar...@iastate.edu) wrote:
>>> Here's some info I've uncovered on Mehdi R. Ali...
>>
>>>I think we should just turn MB in to his system Admin and Ali as the
>>>one who posted the address and ph#.
>>>I think MB would get a nice big fine for it and maybe lose his
>>>account to boot.
I (gr...@wpi.wpi.edu)replied that this level of disciplinary action
is unlikely.
>Well then I guess calling the campus where has his account [sic]
>and talking to the Admin Offcie [sic] and the Vp in charge about
>this post wouldn't do a thing....Guess What the people there
>were not happy at all this was not on the person I talk to [sic]
>top ten list of smart things to do on the net.
Let's see, "calling...and talking," California to Iowa? I'm not sure
Mr. Barrett is worth that much time, money and aggravation to me! :)
>I don't care if MB flams the hel [sic] out of me or the amiga
>thats [sic] what a Kill File is for. but when you make a post putting
>a persons [sic] Ph# and Address giving thosands of people a way making
>ass of them self [sic] by calling a Ph# that could be anyones [sic]
>is just plan dum [sic].
I'm sorry. I took the original post as a joke. It may not be a
"smart thing to do on the Net," but I jumped into the discussion when
people started mentioned fines and revoked accounts.
That sort of action implies one of two things:
a) the posting breaks the law.
b) the posting violates Iowa State's computer or conduct policies.
As far as the posting breaking the law, I don't think re-printing
information that is accessible as a matter of public record is
illegal. There's nothing in the post threatening to commit a crime.
I'm no lawyer, so perhaps someone better versed in these issues could
help clear this up.
As far as the computer and conduct policies at Iowa State, I don't
know what they are, so I can't say much.
I think anyone who took this post seriously enough to actually call
"Ali's number" is "just plain dum."
>Think of it this way if MB had posted your home phone and address
>wwould [sic] you like it?? of [sic] some one posted MB you think he
>like it [sic] ??
It's a chance a people take when they do anything on the public
record... being born, installing a phone, buying property, getting a
driver's license with their SSN on it. Name, phone number (if
listed), and address are contact information. They are public records.
In fact, look at my .sig. ;)
If people call or mail harassing me, _that_ is a crime. Posting my
address is not.
Bill Zimmer
>
> Here's some info I've uncovered on Mehdi R. Ali, the TOTALLY inept
>Commodore Vice President who is probably the most responsible for the
>demise of Commodore and the death of the Amiga.
I see that you're taking some heat on posting this, Marc. Sometimes I think
that if you could somehow post fifty dollar bills to the net people would
complain.
Not to demean any of Ali's stellar accomplishments while he held the
reigns at C=, he also hired Syndes (the guy who created the IBM PC Jr.).
Per Dave Haynie's (Hazy) May 1st conference on Portal:
ScottJ: DAve, Brian Jackson said AAA was designed in 1989. If CBM had
wanted could it have benn in the A3000?
hazy: No idea, but it was started around 6 years ago. AAA was underway
in 1989, but we didn't get any chips until '92. Of course, more
investment in the project would have delivered it much sooner.
AAA could do most of what your high-end SVGAs can today, many things
no one does right now. Included were: higher resolutions (110MHz
video, 1280x1024ni, some 24-bit modes). Up to 16MB of Chip RAM
in the 64-bit system, with VRAM support. 1,2, and 4MB floppies,
single-speed CD-ROM (in the floppy interface) 8 channels of 16-bit
audio, rates up to 110kHz, 8-bit audio digitizer. The blitter
could do math, with or without saturation, on chunky pixels. The
AA folks worked on the low-end "AA+" design, but no silicon was made.
It wasn't significantly cheaper than a low-end AAA system, and did
much less. SResources were too tight for both. We were on the
right track in 1990. The A3000 was out, AAA was well underway.
I started working on the A3000+, which brought the AA chipset and
DSP3210 to the Amiga. Had the A3000+ become the A4000 in April
of 1992 like we had planned, momentum wouldn't have been lost.
But they delayed AA for absolutely no reason (aside perhaps Sydnes'
ego) for about 6 months, so Christmas '92 was a disaster, since
the AA systems weren't ready. This same genius forced replacement
of the A500 with the A600, the first time in history C= cancelled
a system that was selling well. The A600 had started out as the
A300, a sub-A500, probably something like a C64 if it had remained
on course. At the high end, you add in 6 months of delay on
the A4000, another delay due to the A4091 being necessary, and
AAA didn't get the system support it needed quickly enough.
Doesn't it just make you sick.
Bill Zimmer - z...@ibx.com
Peter Kittel Germany
>In article <30jk4m$m...@bigboote.WPI.EDU> gr...@oconnor.WPI.EDU (Greg, Friendly Neighborhood Poet) writes:
>
>> I don't understand the stigma around Marc Barrett.
>
>C=, the Amiga, the future of the Amiga, etc.
Your memory serves you wrong. It has been proven many times that Marc
posted blatant lies. He also stated publicly that his goal was to
destroy Commodore as a company. He's a person full of hate.
>Well, after people realized that he wasn't full of it, but in fact was right
>most of the time,
I can't imagine where you get this.
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Dennis Grant
In article <30lstq$b...@bigboote.WPI.EDU> gr...@fledgling.WPI.EDU (Greg, Friendly Neighborhood Poet) writes:
[stuff deleted to save bandwidth]
>
> If people call or mail harassing me, _that_ is a crime. Posting my
> address is not.
True, but how about posting your address along with an incitation to harass?
That becomes more of a grey area, I think.
I have to admit, when I say the first posting, first I lauged out loud, then I
was tempted to call Mr. Ali and give him a piece of my mind (I can spare it, and
he needs it more than I do), but then after a moment's reflection, I was
thinking something along the lines of "ohh boy, here we go again."
I think Marc's "idea centre" is wired directly to his fingers, without going
through his "rational thought centre"
Marc is very Common Sense Impared.
>
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>
> I don't understand the stigma around Marc Barrett. I've been
>lurking here for a couple years, and he hasn't offended my
>sensibilities yet. I have disagreed with some of his thoughts, but I
>haven't seen anything to make me flame a post merely because his name
>is on it. Granted, this is more of a borderline case, but I've seen
>much more innocuous posts (by him) get flamed to hell and back.
>
I completely agree. There are many more people that are much worse
than MB has ever been IMO, and they mostly hang in csaa.
Scott
Joseph Crowe
|> In article <30jk4m$m...@bigboote.WPI.EDU> gr...@oconnor.WPI.EDU (Greg, Friendly Neighborhood Poet) writes:
|>
|> > I don't understand the stigma around Marc Barrett.
|> People hate him because he posts negative but accuratte information about
|> C=, the Amiga, the future of the Amiga, etc.
|> Well, after people realized that he wasn't full of it, but in fact was right
|> most of the time, they started hating him all the more.
Yeah Robodude. Marc has hit the target on occasion. But I think
most of the time amounts to a major stretch of the truth. OTOH,
given your record, I can understand this statement coming from you.
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David Connors
>From: mo...@bnr.ca (Gavan Moran)
>Subject: Re: Info on Mehdi Ali
>Date: 21 Jul 1994 12:32:32 GMT
>Zsolt Szabo (robo...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu) wrote:
>> People hate him because he posts negative but accuratte information about
>> C=, the Amiga, the future of the Amiga, etc. In fact, if my memory serves
>> me right, I believe it was he who first posted about the cancellation of
>> certain events, the liquidation of certain C= subsidiaries, and
>> eventually the liquidation of C=. Of course back then people told him
>> that he just did that to be a dick.
>> Well, after people realized that he wasn't full of it, but in fact was right
>> most of the time, they started hating him all the more. Sort of like the
> Thats a load of crap. Barrett was saying xx is dead, there will be no
>yy chipset etc. for years, and most of the time he was just plain WRONG
>or lying. Eventually, C= did go bust but it hardly took a genius to
>figure that out. If Barrett was 'right' about that it was sheer coincidence
>as he was CONTINUALLY claiming C= was just about to go bust. He was always
>posting things about 'insider contacts' at cbm claiming the cancellation of
>various things and was WRONG about 70% of the time.
How do you KNOW he was wrong?
[ ... ]
> If you REALLY want to see an offensive dickhead though, check out
>the 'socially challenged' Dave Connors - some sort of screwed up
>loser from Australia who's currently offending people on most of the
>Amiga groups.
You called?
>I guess there either (a) Aren't many people around that
>part of Australia and he spends his days posting to Amiga groups
>and nights shagging sheep or
I only read *ONE* Amiga news group - .advocacy. I have changed a followup to
another group.
> (b) Is such an anti-social wanker that nobody wants to know him.
> I think the latter is the more likely.
Come on, you're an Amiga owner - how can you possibly THINK about anything?
Though I guess I should be grateful that you post was at least to the point,
and you didn't branch off to blather on about SCREENS.
David Connors
da...@splat.paxnet.com.au
David Connors
>From: da...@splat.paxnet.com.au (David Connors)
>Subject: Re: Info on Mehdi Ali
>I only read *ONE* Amiga news group - .advocacy. I have changed a followup to
>another group.
D'OH! That's the second time I've done that - it would read "HAVEN'T".
Anyway, this is one of my pet hates. I follow up to some article - some
Amiga weenie decides that it (the article) is appropriate to all of the other
Amiga groups, so they alter the follow ups line.
Guess who get's the blame? The nasty evil PC user.
David Connors
da...@splat.paxnet.com.au
joe solinsky
:Medhi Ali's contact information
One question: IS IT valid????
I'm not going to call because my conversation would be like:
"Hello, is Mr. Medhi Ali there?"
"Thanks."
"Hello, Mr. Ali? As in the ex-president of Commodore?"
"yes"
"Well, I have owned an AMiga for ages, and I think it stinks that you screwwed
things up for us all. Or did you?"
"keep talking..."
"
.
.
.
"
(click) ~~~ "Yes, we have the trace sir, you may hang up now. He's calling
from California."
Just a scenario
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>> If you REALLY want to see an offensive dickhead though, check out
>>the 'socially challenged' Dave Connors - some sort of screwed up
>>loser from Australia who's currently offending people on most of the
>>Amiga groups.
>You called?
>>I guess there either (a) Aren't many people around that
>>part of Australia and he spends his days posting to Amiga groups
>>and nights shagging sheep or
Wrong country. New Zealanders are famous for "shagging sheep",
you myopic North Americans.
>I only read *ONE* Amiga news group - .advocacy. I have changed a followup to
>another group.
>> (b) Is such an anti-social wanker that nobody wants to know him.
>> I think the latter is the more likely.
Just to put my five cents worth in -- I know Dave Connors
personally. He is a more popular person outside InterNet
than any of you Amiga-nerds could ever know. David reads
and posts to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy because he used to own
an Amiga, but found that the PC was much better in a lot of
areas. Dave gives the facts.
>Come on, you're an Amiga owner - how can you possibly THINK about anything?
>Though I guess I should be grateful that you post was at least to the point,
>and you didn't branch off to blather on about SCREENS.
Isn't it just typical: killing the messenger for the message.
Just because Dave is arguing the point with Amiga users, he's
suddenly "socially challenged". I say again: Dave presents the
facts. Go and check them out for yourself. Whenever Dave is
presented with an argument that he knows nothing about, he
doesn't blow his own horn and make assumptions -- he checks
things out. I challenge all of you to honor the debate by
doing the same.
BTW, I hold no opinion on the Amiga/PC debate, as do not (and
have not) owned either. I work with UNIX on XTs. Flame me
all you want; tell me I know nothing about Amigas or PCs. I'll
just agree. But Dave is playing fair. Why don't all of you?
--- Colin (rushing to the defence of a friend) Smith
Marc N. Barrett
>Marc Barrett (our anti-stud local) wrote:
>:Medhi Ali's contact information
>
>One question: IS IT valid????
>I'm not going to call because my conversation would be like:
>"Hello, is Mr. Medhi Ali there?"
>"Thanks."
>"Hello, Mr. Ali? As in the ex-president of Commodore?"
> "yes"
>"Well, I have owned an AMiga for ages, and I think it stinks that you screwwed
>things up for us all. Or did you?"
> "keep talking..."
>"
>.
>.
>.
>"
> (click) ~~~ "Yes, we have the trace sir, you may hang up now. He's calling
>from California."
>
>Just a scenario
If he has Caller ID (a strong possibility, lots of people have it
now, as it doesn't cost very much) then he wouldn't have to have you
keep talking to trace the call, he'd have your number between the first
and second rings before even picking up the phone.
+++++++
++++ Marc Barrett -MB-
++ IRC nick: Cyclone | e-mail: bar...@iastate.edu
+ Always remember - there's nothing worse anymore - than the AMIGA
Kevin Brown
>: Commodore Vice President who is probably the most responsible for the
[...]
>: Have fun guys. :)
>
>: +++++++
>
>I'm disappointed in how things have gone for CBM and the Amiga, being a
>long-time user (and now a developer), but this kind of activity just sc
>
You don't know Mr. Barrett too well, do you? Good for you...keep it
that way if you can.
Mark Constable
If you REALLY want to see an offensive dickhead though, check out
the 'socially challenged' Dave Connors - some sort of screwed up
loser from Australia who's currently offending people on most of the
Amiga groups. I guess there either (a) Aren't many people around that
part of Australia and he spends his days posting to Amiga groups
and nights shagging sheep or
(b) Is such an anti-social wanker that nobody wants to know him.
I think the latter is the more likely.
He and Barret no doubt thrive on seeing their names mentioned on the
net by other people, yep, I'd say they have real personality problems.
They can't cut it on their own territory so they, just like vultures,
pray on weaker foe. It's *real* easy to kick someone when they're
half down already.
Barret posting ANY personal phone number without prior consent is a
net no-no.
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Gavan Moran
> I only read *ONE* Amiga news group - .advocacy. I have changed a followup to
> another group.
Really, your posts seem to appear in many. In fact frequently I have
seen you crosspost to pretty much ALL the Amiga groups _and_ piss around
with follow-ups to redirect them to groups like alt.sex.masturbation etc.
New usenet users might not be too clued in on things like follow-ups
so I tihnk your posts are verging on malicious
> Come on, you're an Amiga owner - how can you possibly THINK about anything?
You REALLY have a problem don't you. I'd put you in my kill file
but it's always good to be able to laugh at someone. At least I know,
no matter how bad my life might get it could NEVER get as sad as yours.
Gavan Moran
> da...@splat.paxnet.com.au (David Connors) writes:
> Wrong country. New Zealanders are famous for "shagging sheep",
> you myopic North Americans.
I'm neither myopic nor a North American
> Just to put my five cents worth in -- I know Dave Connors
> personally. He is a more popular person outside InterNet
> than any of you Amiga-nerds could ever know. David reads
> and posts to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy because he used to own
> an Amiga, but found that the PC was much better in a lot of
> areas. Dave gives the facts.
Dave posts a blatant load of shit, there is very little
'fact' in his posts and a lot of blatant insults. I think
it's pretty obvious he wants attention or maybe has experienced
a lot of abuse and feels the need to abuse others (albeit
verbally) . Its sad really, I don't know whether to laugh
at him or pity him.
> >Come on, you're an Amiga owner - how can you possibly THINK about anything?
Yes, Dave certainly gives the facts as shown by the above quote
from him.
> >Though I guess I should be grateful that you post was at least to the point,
> >and you didn't branch off to blather on about SCREENS.
> Isn't it just typical: killing the messenger for the message.
> Just because Dave is arguing the point with Amiga users, he's
> suddenly "socially challenged". I say again: Dave presents the
> facts. Go and check them out for yourself. Whenever Dave is
> presented with an argument that he knows nothing about, he
> doesn't blow his own horn and make assumptions -- he checks
> things out. I challenge all of you to honor the debate by
> doing the same.
hahaha. He simply posts flame bait and very little 'fact'.
Most of his assertions are just plain insults, very little in
the way of technical debate. He's just looking for an
argument.
Eirik Pettersen
[....]
: >>and nights shagging sheep or
: Wrong country. New Zealanders are famous for "shagging sheep",
: you myopic North Americans.
Well, I *AM* a myopic Englishman - and I assure you, in England,
Australians are as famous for shagging sheep as New Zealanders &
Welshman.
: Just to put my five cents worth in -- I know Dave Connors
: personally. He is a more popular person outside InterNet
: than any of you Amiga-nerds could ever know. David reads
^^^^^^^^^^^------------------------------------
: and posts to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy because he used to own |
: an Amiga, but found that the PC was much better in a lot of |
: areas. Dave gives the fact. |
***SEE FOOTNOTE***
: >Come on, you're an Amiga owner - how can you possibly THINK about anything?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^--|
\
: Isn't it just typical: killing the messenger for the message. \
: Just because Dave is arguing the point with Amiga users, he's |
: suddenly "socially challenged". I say again: Dave presents the |
: facts. Go and check them out for yourself. Whenever Dave is, |
: presented with an argument that he knows nothing about, he /
: doesn't blow his own horn and make assumptions -- he checks /
: things out. I challenge all of you to honor the debate by |
: doing the same. |
/
You seeem to enjoy holding an honorable debate as Mr. Connors does.
Unbiased, non-inflammatory remarks that allow opinions to be clearly
expressed, with no petty name calling or squabbling, huh?
: --- Colin (rushing to the defence of a friend) Smith
------------
***FOOTNOTE*** - Dave as far as I have seen, has not given me any
facts to take note of. I recently replied to one of his posts stating
that the Amiga had limitations, and that is why there is no software
for it. And that was all he said. That is not a fact, it is merely
an opinion. Dave is expressing opinions, not facts. I do not enjoy
arguing semantics for hours on the internet, but I can not tolerate
blatant inconsistencies.
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_/_/_/_/ MRC, University of Cambridge, | you go, there you \_\_\_\_
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S J Anderson
>da...@splat.paxnet.com.au (David Connors) writes:
>>> If you REALLY want to see an offensive dickhead though, check out
>>>the 'socially challenged' Dave Connors - some sort of screwed up
>>>loser from Australia who's currently offending people on most of the
>>>Amiga groups.
>>You called?
[deletia]
>Just to put my five cents worth in -- I know Dave Connors
>personally. He is a more popular person outside InterNet
>than any of you Amiga-nerds could ever know. David reads
LADIES and GEN-TLEMEN, Let's give a BIIIG hand for the Dave Connors fan club!
To be frank, I don't give a toss how many friends he has outside the Internet.
I'm never likely to meet him *or* them, y'know? It's his behaviour *on* the
Internet that appalls me.
BTW, cool, let's get into a real slanging match - Amiga owners are nerds
(how many *do* you know?), well, PC owners spank their monkeys heh heh-heh heh
heh cool. (Beavis and Butthead - I wish I didn't like them)
>and posts to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy because he used to own
>an Amiga, but found that the PC was much better in a lot of
>areas. Dave gives the facts.
Dave gives *opinions*, and poorly informed ones at that. He's also incredibly
offensive and, if he behaves like this outside of the Internet, is likely to
get punched in the mouth.
>Isn't it just typical: killing the messenger for the message.
>Just because Dave is arguing the point with Amiga users, he's
>suddenly "socially challenged". I say again: Dave presents the
>facts. Go and check them out for yourself. Whenever Dave is
>presented with an argument that he knows nothing about, he
>doesn't blow his own horn and make assumptions -- he checks
>things out. I challenge all of you to honor the debate by
>doing the same.
We call Dave socially challenged because
A) He wastes time on newsgroups devoted to a computer, he, by his own admission
has little respect for, indicating a lot of free time or a lack of social
involvements that might keep him busy.
B) His personal interaction skills leave a *lot* to be desired.
We don't *need* the check the facts, *we're* the ones who use the computers
on a day-to-day basis. Most of us (i.e. the non-rabid ones) *know* the facts by
heart. If Dave checks the facts, then he must forget them immediately
afterwards, as there's an amazing sparsity of facts in his posts.
>BTW, I hold no opinion on the Amiga/PC debate, as do not (and
>have not) owned either. I work with UNIX on XTs. Flame me
Then how do you know that Dave posts the facts?
>all you want; tell me I know nothing about Amigas or PCs. I'll
>just agree. But Dave is playing fair. Why don't all of you?
We do. Most of us would like nothing better than for people like Dave to just
go away. We don't *enjoy* having people like him around. We don't secretly
love and need him. We *loathe* him.
In reality, this isn't a game. There's no need for such abstractions as
`playing fair', as there are *no* points to be won. This is a discussion
forum, believe it or not, it's not actually some kind of surreal MUD. *We*
tend to use it for discussion; it's only Dave and his ilk that feel the need
to score points off other people.
Ste.
Kent D. Polk
|> In article <30jk4m$m...@bigboote.WPI.EDU> gr...@oconnor.WPI.EDU (Greg, Friendly Neighborhood Poet) writes:
|> > I don't understand the stigma around Marc Barrett.
|> People hate him because he posts negative but accuratte information about
|> C=, the Amiga, the future of the Amiga, etc.
"Even a blind sow finds an acorn every now and then."
Virtually anyone paying attention to this stuff could have as good a batting
average as Marc has and you can rest assured that the people who *do* know
what's going on aren't going to be discussing it with Marc.
Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : ke...@swrinde.nde.swri.edu
Jochen Wiedmann
>> Here's some info I've uncovered on Mehdi R. Ali, the TOTALLY inept
>> Commodore Vice President who is probably the most responsible for the
>> demise of Commodore and the death of the Amiga. He lives in Ridgefield
>> Connecticut, and his address is 69 Main Street. His phone number (as of
>> about a year ago, I think this is still current though) is
>> (203) 431-0632. He got a second phone line, which I do not know the
>> number for, but if I get it I'll be sure to post it.
>>
>> Have fun guys. :)
Oh, btw, does anyone have Marc's phone number? :-)
Jochen
--
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Zsolt Szabo
>>Well, after people realized that he wasn't full of it, but in fact was right
>>most of the time,
>
>I can't imagine where you get this.
Well, he announced that the Amiga convention in NY would not take place
in April. It seems that he was right.
E.john Love
: > Here's some info I've uncovered on Mehdi R. Ali...
: > <phone number and address deleted, among other things>
: > Have fun guys. :)
: /\-------(my arrow)
: To which E.joh...@tvi.wimsey.com (E.john Love) responded:
: >...this kind of activity just screams "no class, fanactical user" to me.
: The smiley brings to e-mail and news the same effect as a
: smile/smirk/laugh in real life. Smileys are your friends. Smileys are
: a good thing. :)
Yes - thank you. I *did* miss that smiley there...however, with MB it IS a
bit of the 'boy who cried wolf' when one initally assumes what his
intentions must be. I actually did taske him seriously, meaning that his :)
smiley at the end was a kind of "oh boy - are we being mischievous little
devils. Let's start some something..."
Sorry MB if I misinterpreted you there, but you can't blame me can you? :)
: I don't understand the stigma around Marc Barrett. I've been
: lurking here for a couple years, and he hasn't offended my
: sensibilities yet. I have disagreed with some of his thoughts, but I
: haven't seen anything to make me flame a post merely because his name
: is on it. Granted, this is more of a borderline case, but I've seen
: much more innocuous posts (by him) get flamed to hell and back.
People get in the habit of using a whipping boy, once it a happens a few
times. Either MB is a lil' masochistic, or we are a bit sadistic, or some
of both.
It's all in the name of entertainment, or because X-Files isn't on anyway
right? :)
E. John Love
Art Director
TVI
Peter Kittel Germany
>personally. He is a more popular person outside InterNet
>than any of you Amiga-nerds could ever know. David reads
>and posts to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy because he used to own
>an Amiga, but found that the PC was much better in a lot of
>areas. Dave gives the facts.
Bullshit. What you call "facts" are in the eyes of the rest of the
conscious world heavily biased insults that have nothing to do at all
with facts.
>Isn't it just typical: killing the messenger for the message.
>Just because Dave is arguing the point with Amiga users,
He's not "arguing", he spits shit out of his mouth and not only insults
about a computer platform he hates for no understandeable reason, but
also personal insults to decent people here. If you can't see that
difference, you have to learn a bit more about social aspects.
>I say again: Dave presents the
>facts. Go and check them out for yourself.
We all here do it all the time. And we tell Dave that he's wrong all
the time. Please take the time and read those factual replies to Dave.
Simply put, he's wrong. But as he still uses those wrong arguments
without stopping it, but only increasing the badness (?) of his
insults, the only possible reasoning was about some defects in his
personality.
>But Dave is playing fair.
You lie.
>Why don't all of you?
In contrast to Dave, we do it all the time.
Janne Siren
> Just because Dave is arguing the point with Amiga users, he's
> suddenly "socially challenged". I say again: Dave presents the
> facts. Go and check them out for yourself. Whenever Dave is
> presented with an argument that he knows nothing about, he
> doesn't blow his own horn and make assumptions -- he checks
> things out. I challenge all of you to honor the debate by
> doing the same.
Among other things David said:
"Come on, you're an Amiga owner - how can you possibly THINK about anything?"
Do you consider that presenting the facts too? Good debate is always nice,
but I don't think sentences like that are part of it. IMHO.
--
/// ------------------------------------------------------------ \\\
/// Janne T. Siren I Epsilon Indi BBS (*) +358-0-505-4201 \\\
\\\/// j...@krk.fi I Located in Kauniainen, Finland, Europe \\\///
\XX/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ \XX/
Byron Montgomerie
# In article <30jk4m$m...@bigboote.WPI.EDU> gr...@oconnor.WPI.EDU (Greg, Friendly Neighborhood Poet) writes:
# > I don't understand the stigma around Marc Barrett. I've been
# >lurking here for a couple years, and he hasn't offended my
# >sensibilities yet. I have disagreed with some of his thoughts, but I
# >haven't seen anything to make me flame a post merely because his name
# >is on it. Granted, this is more of a borderline case, but I've seen
# >much more innocuous posts (by him) get flamed to hell and back.
# People hate him because he posts negative but accuratte information about
# C=, the Amiga, the future of the Amiga, etc. In fact, if my memory serves
# me right, I believe it was he who first posted about the cancellation of
# certain events, the liquidation of certain C= subsidiaries, and
# eventually the liquidation of C=. Of course back then people told him
# that he just did that to be a dick.
No, he did that because he IS a dick. :)
# Well, after people realized that he wasn't full of it, but in fact was right
# most of the time, they started hating him all the more. Sort of like the
# Grim Reaper, who is not inherently evil but always brings bad news and is
# thus disliked by everyone who doesn't understand his intentions. He's the
# person who will say what is obvious, yet feared by all to such a degree
# that they dare not think of it.
No, he is someone who will take what everyone already knows and harp on it
over and over again in the most negative light he can manage. Pessimists
are rarely liked and Marc is nothing but a pessimist. As for accuracy,
I have noticed many inaccurate things he has quoted as gospel, I just
couldn't be bothered to correct him.
I think people just don't like the tone of what he says and the
finality of all his proclamations, thus he spake, thus let it be written.
Regards,
Byron
Gregory R Block
| If he has Caller ID (a strong possibility, lots of people have it
| now, as it doesn't cost very much) then he wouldn't have to have you
| keep talking to trace the call, he'd have your number between the first
| and second rings before even picking up the phone.
Not out of his LATA, he wouldn't. Hell, possibly not even WITHIN his
lata.
Greg
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Gilles Bourdin
EjL> From: E.joh...@tvi.wimsey.com (E.john Love)
EjL> Marc N. Barrett (bar...@iastate.edu) wrote:
> : Here's some info I've uncovered on Mehdi R. Ali, the TOTALLY inept
> : Commodore Vice President who is probably the most responsible for the
> : demise of Commodore and the death of the Amiga. He lives in Ridgefield
> : Connecticut, and his address is 69 Main Street. His phone number (as of
> : about a year ago, I think this is still current though) is
> : (203) 431-0632. He got a second phone line, which I do not know the
> : number for, but if I get it I'll be sure to post it.
> : Have fun guys. :)
> : +++++++
> : ++++ Marc Barrett -MB-
> : ++ IRC nick: Cyclone | e-mail: bar...@iastate.edu
EjL> I don't know, but I actually think that posting someone's personal
EjL> contact
EjL> information (like home phone numbers, etc.) for the purpose of
EjL> encouraging
EjL> others to "have fun" harrassing them is just plain wrong. I don't
EjL> care WHO
EjL> it is.
Oh well, nice thought, but you just quoted the message again... Actually, I hadn't read the original one, thanks for reposting it.
Oh dear, I'm afraid that my reply will post it once again... Whoops! :-)
Gilles Bourdin Paris FAX(331)46266261
g...@ramses.fdn.org
C'est apres la foire qu'on compte les bouses.
Maxwell Daymon
: In <30kotj...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> robo...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Zsolt Szabo) writes:
: >People hate him because he posts negative but accuratte information about
: >C=, the Amiga, the future of the Amiga, etc.
: Well, he most often comes with one or two pieces of information he found
: in a magazine or newspaper. But then he starts to draw conclusions that
: are utter wrong.
The problem with Marc, and what makes his seem irrefutable and correct
sometimes, is that he starts with a GRAIN of truth and builds a large ball
of assumption and supposition around it. It's a fairly common tactic,
though I don't know if Marc does it on purpose or just by default.
There have been a few occasions where I've seen eye-to-eye with Marc on
an issue, but few and far between.
--
//
// Maxwell Daymon
\\ // mda...@rmii.com
\X/
Mark Constable
sys...@devetir.qld.gov.au (Colin Smith) writes:
[...]
Just to put my five cents worth in -- I know Dave Connors
personally. He is a more popular person outside InterNet
than any of you Amiga-nerds could ever know. David reads
and posts to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy because he used to own
an Amiga, but found that the PC was much better in a lot of
areas. Dave gives the facts.
[...]
--- Colin (rushing to the defence of a friend) Smith
There is a small point here about how *offensive* someone can be about
making their statements.
This jerk makes me feel embarrassed that I live in the same country.
Yes, and MULTIPLE SCREENS is one thing the other computers *can't* do.
Torban Bennett
>Wrong country. New Zealanders are famous for "shagging sheep",
>you myopic North Americans.
Nice _original_ point you've got there.
>Just to put my five cents worth in -- I know Dave Connors
>personally. He is a more popular person outside InterNet
>than any of you Amiga-nerds could ever know. David reads
^^^^^^^
Ooooh, I'm sooo insulted. Isn't the term 'nerd' a little dated?
Try something newer, oh sorry, you probably still use MS-DOS.
>and posts to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy because he used to own
>an Amiga, but found that the PC was much better in a lot of
>areas. Dave gives the facts.
FACTS. We dont need no stinkin' facts. ;-)
>Isn't it just typical: killing the messenger for the message.
>Just because Dave is arguing the point with Amiga users, he's
>suddenly "socially challenged". I say again: Dave presents the
>facts. Go and check them out for yourself. Whenever Dave is
>presented with an argument that he knows nothing about, he
>doesn't blow his own horn and make assumptions -- he checks
>things out. I challenge all of you to honor the debate by
>doing the same.
>BTW, I hold no opinion on the Amiga/PC debate, as do not (and
>have not) owned either. I work with UNIX on XTs. Flame me
Ok, sorry about the obligatory MS-DOS jibe. I like UNIX, really!
>all you want; tell me I know nothing about Amigas or PCs. I'll
>just agree. But Dave is playing fair. Why don't all of you?
'cos this is csa.advocacy. Playing fair aint fun.
>--- Colin (rushing to the defence of a friend) Smith
BTW: Could you send Dave over to 'lay hands' on my sick goldfish. ;-)
Torban "Waiting in anticipation" Bennett --> tor...@murdoch.edu.AU
Torban Bennett
>Among other things David said:
>"Come on, you're an Amiga owner - how can you possibly THINK about anything?"
>Do you consider that presenting the facts too? Good debate is always nice,
>but I don't think sentences like that are part of it. IMHO.
Come Janne, I think the implicit smilie wasn't too obtuse.
You'll have people accusing you of being humour impared if you're not
careful ;-)
>--
> /// ------------------------------------------------------------ \\\
> /// Janne T. Siren I Epsilon Indi BBS (*) +358-0-505-4201 \\\
>\\\/// j...@krk.fi I Located in Kauniainen, Finland, Europe \\\///
> \XX/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ \XX/
Torban "Amiga owner THINKING about what to put in the middle bit" Bennett
--> tor...@murdoch.edu.AU
John P Sheehy
>
>Just to put my five cents worth in -- I know Dave Connors
>personally. He is a more popular person outside InterNet
>than any of you Amiga-nerds could ever know. David reads
>and posts to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy because he used to own
>an Amiga, but found that the PC was much better in a lot of
>areas. Dave gives the facts.
Dave gives his opinions and exposes aberrations in his psyche. There is
blatant hostility in his posts, which seem to say "I'm angry at stupid
Amiga users, who I'm better than now, because I've moved on to the PC".
His tone is not one of comparing the functional and technical merits of
two platforms, but one of positioning himself on a perch, high above
the Amiga users. Surely, their are Amiga users who do the same, and
neither are very helpful to the discussions within this group.
An example of someone who comes close to "giving the facts" is Jeremy
Reimer. He is familiar with both platforms and does not fail to give
credit to each platform where it is due. This is a far cry from Dave's
posts. Actually, Dave's posts are the ones which are crying.
> --- Colin (rushing to the defence of a friend) Smith
John <j...@cup.portal.com>
Maxwell Daymon
ONE thing. Out of THOUSANDS of claims. His hit/miss ratio is horrible! He
has said a FEW things that are right or turned out to be true, but that
doesn't make him a prophet or something.
If you sit back and say "XXX is going to fail and die" for long enough,
it will probably happen one day.
Maxwell Daymon
: now, as it doesn't cost very much) then he wouldn't have to have you
: keep talking to trace the call, he'd have your number between the first
: and second rings before even picking up the phone.
Interstate caller ID is very rare. You'll usually get a message that says
something to the effect of "out of area" (unless you live in the same
area, of course).
Also, dial *67 before you call the number to block Caller ID. They can
still have you traced, but they must request it and they must dial a
certain sequence right away before doing so.
Kevin Brown
IMHO: I dislike Marc because he seems to me to be arrogant, abrasive,
and narrow-minded. Read more...
>People hate him because he posts negative but accuratte information abo
>C=, the Amiga, the future of the Amiga, etc. In fact, if my memory serv
Huh? Negative, yes, but where do you get accurate? He posts OPINION
that he proports to be FACT. I call that arrogance, and I simply have a
problem with it.
>me right, I believe it was he who first posted about the cancellation o
>certain events, the liquidation of certain C= subsidiaries, and
So what? People complained about that? I didn't...if it was him, I
didn't even doubt him (excessively) regarding the reports of event
cancellation (was that him? I must have had thicker skin then, because
I don't remember being irritated). I took the information about
subsidaries with a grain of salt (whoever reported it), until I had
reason to think it wasn't just another rumor.
>eventually the liquidation of C=. Of course back then people told him
>that he just did that to be a dick.
Well, if he did report on those things, they're probably right. There
is presenting an opinion, or fact (whichever, as long you know the
difference), and there is being a "dick" about it...they are two
separate things. Marc (in my opinion) is a "dick", Neil McRae (in my
opinion) is a "loser, usually a dick too", and you (again, in my
opinion) "have an inordinate affinity with dicks and losers", but you
atleast seem to have the ability for reasonable discourse. If you'll
examine my responses to various messages, including yours, it is not
whether the message is something I want to hear or not, but why and how
it appears to have been posted.
>Well, after people realized that he wasn't full of it, but in fact was
>most of the time, they started hating him all the more. Sort of like th
Most of the time? Marc Barett? Hmm...when was this, maybe I missed
something? I thought he just spouted out his own opinions most of the
time?
>Grim Reaper, who is not inherently evil but always brings bad news and
I didn't say he was evil.
>thus disliked by everyone who doesn't understand his intentions. He's t
It's his apparent intentions I object to...that's my entire problem with
him.
>person who will say what is obvious, yet feared by all to such a degree
>that they dare not think of it.
Obvious? Dare not think of it? Look, he can say that he thinks AAA
will never see the light of day, and list his reasons, or whatever.
However, I simply disagree with his assertion that we are fools since
AAA has no merit beyond the next year, and WILL (in his expert opinion,
I'm sure) take 2 years to develop, when he doesn't seem to care what AAA
is, what advantages it offers, and he refuses to DISCUSS anything
relating to his opinions (or should I say PROCLAMATIONS?). Narrow-
minded, arrogant...irritating.
Janne Siren
> Come Janne, I think the implicit smilie wasn't too obtuse.
> You'll have people accusing you of being humour impared if you're not
> careful ;-)
But then I can always say, I didn't understand that as English is not my
native language. :-) Yes, a smiley would have been appropriate.
Jyrki Saarinen
> Among other things David said:
>
> "Come on, you're an Amiga owner - how can you possibly THINK about
> anything?"
>
> Do you consider that presenting the facts too? Good debate is always
> nice,
> but I don't think sentences like that are part of it. IMHO.
Hey, Dave is even worse than Marc.. I think that is an achiement..
Applauses to Dave!
> --
> /// ------------------------------------------------------------
> \\\
> /// Janne T. Siren I Epsilon Indi BBS (*) +358-0-505-4201
> \\\
> \\\/// j...@krk.fi I Located in Kauniainen, Finland, Europe
> \\\///
> \XX/ ------------------------------------------------------------------
> \XX/
--
Jyrki Saarinen - Nose / Stellar - A4000 - +358-0-8058003
Prof. Feedlebom
: If he has Caller ID (a strong possibility, lots of people have it
: now, as it doesn't cost very much) then he wouldn't have to have you
: keep talking to trace the call, he'd have your number between the first
: and second rings before even picking up the phone.
Most portions of the country do not transmit Caller ID data on
long distance calls. And, who'd be stupid enough not to dial *69 before
said call to Ali?
$#($*#$.
-Fedl
!Productions
Hmm. Round here, *69 is last caller redial, and *67 is caller ID
disable... However, the person WITH caller ID can either tell the telco
to reject all "hidden" calls, or can choose not to answer the phone, so
it's useless anyway...
>$#($*#$.
>-Fedl
>
Michael Schuldman
Like that famous program idea; a program which generates all possible
words and puts them on pages. Sooner or later everything that is
possible to write has been written, you then patent/register the pages
and everything published in the future will be (c) infrigment.
Maybe MB is an Artifiscial Intelligence (??) experiment, saying everything
possible to say about *Amiga* releated material.
> // Maxwell Daymon
--
Michael Shuldman - Somewhere in space
David Connors
>From: j...@cup.portal.com (John P Sheehy)
>Subject: Re: Info on Mehdi Ali
>Date: Sat, 23 Jul 94 13:15:30 PDT
>Colin Smith <sys...@devetir.qld.gov.au> writes:
>>
>>Just to put my five cents worth in -- I know Dave Connors
>>personally. He is a more popular person outside InterNet
>>than any of you Amiga-nerds could ever know. David reads
>>and posts to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy because he used to own
>>an Amiga, but found that the PC was much better in a lot of
>>areas. Dave gives the facts.
>Dave gives his opinions and exposes aberrations in his psyche. There is
>blatant hostility in his posts, which seem to say "I'm angry at stupid
>Amiga users, who I'm better than now, because I've moved on to the PC".
>His tone is not one of comparing the functional and technical merits of
>two platforms, but one of positioning himself on a perch, high above
>the Amiga users.
I DON'T THINK SO! I have put forth a HELL of a LOT of points about
deficiencies in AmigaDOS - only to be told "I'm a dumb arse PC lamer so how
would I know ...".
Read the rhetoric I got from Amiga owners about PC VGA scrolling, Amiga
printing, cutting and pasting between applications on the Amiga, the price of
an a4000 compare to an optioned out PC.
>Surely, their are Amiga users who do the same, and
>neither are very helpful to the discussions within this group.
Everything to come from an Amiga owners mouth eventually decomposes to the two
big Amiga flags: screens, and "true multitasking", the former of which is
often irrelevant to the argument at hand, and the later of which is available
on just about every computer today.
>An example of someone who comes close to "giving the facts" is Jeremy
>Reimer. He is familiar with both platforms and does not fail to give
>credit to each platform where it is due.
You should be thankful for Jeremy's presence. Like Mark, he too is also to
kind to you people.
>This is a far cry from Dave's
>posts. Actually, Dave's posts are the ones which are crying.
Whatever.
David Connors da...@splat.paxnet.com.au
" What's the difference between | AMIGA - Any Moment It's Going Away
an Amiga and a pile of dog shit? | EVERY Amiga owner is entitled to
The dog shit's brown. " | my opinions
- Kevin Gorrie |
By popular demand, I have changed my signature.
Mats Gripenmalm
Jul 94:
(Marc Barret)
>> Well, after people realized that he wasn't full of it, but in fact was
>> right most of the time,
PKG> I can't imagine where you get this.
He's probably overlooked the fact that if you constantly post B-shit on the
Net, you're *bound* to be right sometime. But one or two out of several
hundreds is really, really bad... ;-)
Regards,
Mats G.
Fidonet : 2:201/417.9 or 411.68
AmigaNet: 39:164/104.9
InterNet: gri...@p68.anet.bbs.bad.se
--- Spot 1.2d #114
Bruno Fernandes
>
> If you REALLY want to see an offensive dickhead though, check out
>the 'socially challenged' Dave Connors - some sort of screwed up
>loser from Australia who's currently offending people on most of the
>part of Australia and he spends his days posting to Amiga groups
>and nights shagging sheep or
> (b) Is such an anti-social wanker that nobody wants to know him.
He used to be an Amiga user as late back as this past April. And I do
believe your second assupmtion comes closer to the mark. He just plain
enjoys fighting with people on the nets - this by his own admission.
Bruno.
--
"Also believe that peanut butter | The ideas expressed may very well be my
and bacon have been neglected as | own.
food groups, particularly when |
eaten together." - D. Cooper | e0f1...@credit.erin.utoronto.ca
Kevin Brown
>>lurking here for a couple years, and he hasn't offended my
>>sensibilities yet. I have disagreed with some of his thoughts, but I
>>haven't seen anything to make me flame a post merely because his name
>>is on it. Granted, this is more of a borderline case, but I've seen
>>much more innocuous posts (by him) get flamed to hell and back.
Well, I've already listed my reasons.
>
>I completely agree. There are many more people that are much worse
>than MB has ever been IMO, and they mostly hang in csaa.
I think Dave Connors is giving us an education in this regard.
Kevin Brown
>>>part of Australia and he spends his days posting to Amiga groups
>>>and nights shagging sheep or
>
>you myopic North Americans.
Fine, hate all North Americans for that heinous offense.
>>I only read *ONE* Amiga news group - .advocacy. I have changed a foll
>>another group.
>
>>> (b) Is such an anti-social wanker that nobody wants to know him
>
>>> I think the latter is the more likely.
>
>Just to put my five cents worth in -- I know Dave Connors
>personally. He is a more popular person outside InterNet
>than any of you Amiga-nerds could ever know. David reads
>and posts to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy because he used to own
>an Amiga, but found that the PC was much better in a lot of
>areas. Dave gives the facts.
Like you, eh? When I see such sweeping statements about people you've
never met, I have serious doubts about how far your other statements can
be trusted. I only have DC's messages to the net to judge from, and
judging from them, he certainly seems opiniated, and resistant to
reasonable discussion...perhaps the many friends you mentioned don't
care about that aspect of his personality, or don't see it. Fine. But
what the hell "facts" are you talking about?
>>Come on, you're an Amiga owner - how can you possibly THINK about anyt
>
>>Though I guess I should be grateful that you post was at least to the
>>and you didn't branch off to blather on about SCREENS.
>
>Isn't it just typical: killing the messenger for the message.
>Just because Dave is arguing the point with Amiga users, he's
>suddenly "socially challenged". I say again: Dave presents the
>facts. Go and check them out for yourself. Whenever Dave is
>presented with an argument that he knows nothing about, he
>doesn't blow his own horn and make assumptions -- he checks
What? Are we talking about the same DC who argued about the existence
of Cut&Paste on the Amiga? What, was the Amiga he owned a 1000, or did
he use an A500 for five minutes? You are quoting Dave, BTW...if you
take a close look, you might be able to guess why people take offense.
>things out. I challenge all of you to honor the debate by
>doing the same.
Very reasonable request, but I simply don't think DC checks his facts. I
would be delighted to comply if he by some miracle does, however.
>BTW, I hold no opinion on the Amiga/PC debate, as do not (and
>have not) owned either. I work with UNIX on XTs. Flame me
I'm just curious...what makes you think Dave's suppositions are facts?
>all you want; tell me I know nothing about Amigas or PCs. I'll
>just agree. But Dave is playing fair. Why don't all of you?
You seem to be Dave's friend, alright, (well, who'd have thought?) and I
guess defending him is admirable and all that...but have you READ some
of his messages? Again, WHAT THE HELL KIND OF FACTS are you talking
about!?!? When was this? Did I miss the message you're talking about?
The one I remember was him taking off on a guy who had the audacity to
say he was a fool for stating the Amiga couldn't cut & paste (among
some other distorted information about the Amiga's abilities). If you
have ever read my response to that message, you will see facts (as I'm
using an Amiga RIGHT NOW, as opposed to Dave). Where are his, I ask
you? We simply can't be talking about the same messages...if I'm wrong,
correct me.
David Connors
>From: e0f1...@tuzo.erin (Bruno Fernandes)
>Subject: Re: Info on Mehdi Ali
>In article <30lpt0$g...@bmerha64.bnr.ca>, Gavan Moran <mo...@bnr.ca> wrote:
>>
>> If you REALLY want to see an offensive dickhead though, check out
>>the 'socially challenged' Dave Connors - some sort of screwed up
>>loser from Australia who's currently offending people on most of the
>>Amiga groups. I guess there either (a) Aren't many people around that
>>part of Australia and he spends his days posting to Amiga groups
>>and nights shagging sheep or
>> (b) Is such an anti-social wanker that nobody wants to know him.
>He used to be an Amiga user as late back as this past April. And I do
>believe your second assupmtion comes closer to the mark. He just plain
>enjoys fighting with people on the nets - this by his own admission.
More that I enjoy a good shit stir. If you look at the frequency of my
postings, you will see that I post a lot for about a week - and then nothing
for two or three weeks. It's amazing that the arguments continue WITHOUT my
presence!
David Connors da...@splat.paxnet.com.au
" What's the difference between | AMIGA - Any Moment It's Going Away
an Amiga and a pile of dog shit? | EVERY Amiga owner is entitled to
The dog shit's brown. " | my opinions.
Michael Cianflone
>In article <30n7mo$s...@galaxy.ucr.edu> jc...@corsa.ucr.edu (joe solinsky) writes:
>>Marc Barrett (our anti-stud local) wrote:
>>:Medhi Ali's contact information
>>
>>One question: IS IT valid????
>>I'm not going to call because my conversation would be like:
>>"Hello, is Mr. Medhi Ali there?"
>>"Thanks."
>>"Hello, Mr. Ali? As in the ex-president of Commodore?"
>> "yes"
>>"Well, I have owned an AMiga for ages, and I think it stinks that you screwwed
>>things up for us all. Or did you?"
>> "keep talking..."
>>"
>>.
>>.
>>.
>>"
>> (click) ~~~ "Yes, we have the trace sir, you may hang up now. He's calling
>>from California."
>>
>>Just a scenario
>
> If he has Caller ID (a strong possibility, lots of people have it
>now, as it doesn't cost very much) then he wouldn't have to have you
>keep talking to trace the call, he'd have your number between the first
>and second rings before even picking up the phone.
This brings up a question. In some states, such as California, caller ID
is illegal. Would the phone number from a state that bans caller ID show up
when calling a state that allows caller ID?
Structured Applications & Designs, Inc.
Mike Cianflone - Senior Software Engineer - Product Design - Tech Support
PD Type Kits To Help The Amiga Community
The Multi-Kickstart Board Project The 2 Meg Agnus Project
INET: mi...@struad.cts.com UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!struad!mike
Matt Pierce
: In article <118...@cup.portal.com> j...@cup.portal.com (John P Sheehy) writes:
: >From: j...@cup.portal.com (John P Sheehy)
: >Subject: Re: Info on Mehdi Ali
: >Date: Sat, 23 Jul 94 13:15:30 PDT
: >Colin Smith <sys...@devetir.qld.gov.au> writes:
: >>
: >>Just to put my five cents worth in -- I know Dave Connors
: >>personally. He is a more popular person outside InterNet
: >>than any of you Amiga-nerds could ever know. David reads
: >>and posts to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy because he used to own
: >>an Amiga, but found that the PC was much better in a lot of
: >>areas. Dave gives the facts.
: >Dave gives his opinions and exposes aberrations in his psyche. There is
: >blatant hostility in his posts, which seem to say "I'm angry at stupid
: >Amiga users, who I'm better than now, because I've moved on to the PC".
: >His tone is not one of comparing the functional and technical merits of
: >two platforms, but one of positioning himself on a perch, high above
: >the Amiga users.
: I DON'T THINK SO! I have put forth a HELL of a LOT of points about
: deficiencies in AmigaDOS - only to be told "I'm a dumb arse PC lamer so how
: would I know ...".
Funny, I've read many of your posts and though you have typed a lot of
text, you really haven't said anything very meaningful.
: Read the rhetoric I got from Amiga owners about PC VGA scrolling, Amiga
: printing, cutting and pasting between applications on the Amiga, the price of
: an a4000 compare to an optioned out PC.
: >Surely, their are Amiga users who do the same, and
: >neither are very helpful to the discussions within this group.
: Everything to come from an Amiga owners mouth eventually decomposes to the two
: big Amiga flags: screens, and "true multitasking", the former of which is
: often irrelevant to the argument at hand, and the later of which is available
: on just about every computer today.
That's one of those statements that you should not make: "Everything to come
from an Amiga owners mouth (implicit: every Amiga owners mouth)" You won't
see that coming from my mouth or many others.
: >An example of someone who comes close to "giving the facts" is Jeremy
: >Reimer. He is familiar with both platforms and does not fail to give
: >credit to each platform where it is due.
: You should be thankful for Jeremy's presence. Like Mark, he too is also to
: kind to you people.
: >This is a far cry from Dave's
: >posts. Actually, Dave's posts are the ones which are crying.
: Whatever.
: David Connors da...@splat.paxnet.com.au
: " What's the difference between | AMIGA - Any Moment It's Going Away
: an Amiga and a pile of dog shit? | EVERY Amiga owner is entitled to
: The dog shit's brown. " | my opinions
: - Kevin Gorrie |
: By popular demand, I have changed my signature.
Look at your signature! What do you hope to accomplish with a signature
like that!? Are you here to inform anyone of anything or are you just
trying to stir up something? Because of human nature, a signature such
as the one above may make you feel smug and superior, but it causes many
to label you such as 'arrogant, immature, childish, somehow mentally
disturbed' and so on.
Matt Pierce
Matt Pierce
: In article <CtH4E...@credit.erin.utoronto.ca> e0f1...@tuzo.erin (Bruno Fernandes) writes:
: >From: e0f1...@tuzo.erin (Bruno Fernandes)
: >Subject: Re: Info on Mehdi Ali
: >Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 02:03:46 GMT
: >In article <30lpt0$g...@bmerha64.bnr.ca>, Gavan Moran <mo...@bnr.ca> wrote:
: >>
: >> If you REALLY want to see an offensive dickhead though, check out
: >>the 'socially challenged' Dave Connors - some sort of screwed up
: >>loser from Australia who's currently offending people on most of the
: >>Amiga groups. I guess there either (a) Aren't many people around that
: >>part of Australia and he spends his days posting to Amiga groups
: >>and nights shagging sheep or
: >> (b) Is such an anti-social wanker that nobody wants to know him.
: >He used to be an Amiga user as late back as this past April. And I do
: >believe your second assupmtion comes closer to the mark. He just plain
: >enjoys fighting with people on the nets - this by his own admission.
: More that I enjoy a good shit stir. If you look at the frequency of my
: postings, you will see that I post a lot for about a week - and then nothing
: for two or three weeks. It's amazing that the arguments continue WITHOUT my
: presence!
That's due to propagation delays in the internet.
David Schenken
Strangely. the HP interface specializes in multiple screens. How are there so
few who can distinguish between software and hardware? The ability to support
multiple resolutions is Hardware. Supporting multiple screens is Software.
Let's face it. CBM may have been poisoned from within, but it is still dead.
Barring resurrection - and three days, the previous record, is up.
Later.
James Godfrey
: David Connors (da...@splat.paxnet.com.au) wrote:
[stuff deleted]
: : David Connors da...@splat.paxnet.com.au
There are only two people in my kill file. David Conners is the other
one :-)
On the whole, I am very happy with my kill file. Except that all too
frequently, someone puts annoying quotes within their postings from
the folks that I do not wish to hear from.
--
Jim Godfrey EMail: godf...@cs.uidaho.edu
Radio KE6OC. Amiga 1000 since June 1986
I am Alan Gene Van Sant. Phone (407) 725 8788.
I think the only difference between Dave Conners and a pile of Dog Shit is that
Dave *REALLY* stinks!
The Skeleton
>David Connors (da...@splat.paxnet.com.au) wrote:
>: In article <CtH4E...@credit.erin.utoronto.ca> e0f1...@tuzo.erin (Bruno Fernandes) writes:
>: >From: e0f1...@tuzo.erin (Bruno Fernandes)
>: >Subject: Re: Info on Mehdi Ali
>: >Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 02:03:46 GMT
>
>: >In article <30lpt0$g...@bmerha64.bnr.ca>, Gavan Moran <mo...@bnr.ca> wrote:
>: >>
>: >> If you REALLY want to see an offensive dickhead though, check out
>: >>the 'socially challenged' Dave Connors - some sort of screwed up
>: >>loser from Australia who's currently offending people on most of the
>: >>Amiga groups. I guess there either (a) Aren't many people around that
>: >>part of Australia and he spends his days posting to Amiga groups
>: >>and nights shagging sheep or
>: >> (b) Is such an anti-social wanker that nobody wants to know him.
>I think the only difference between Dave Conners and a pile of Dog Shit is that
>Dave *REALLY* stinks!
Hey davey just post all that mail in here because he is waiting for his ibm to
complete tasks and he wants to keep from falling asleep waiting.
You have to feel sorry for davey though, zero life, best freind is a
kangaroo, weights 400 pounds, and just got back from being kidnapped and raped
by bushmen.