AmigaOS XL
Luca Diana
Joe Cosby
typing feverishly;
thunder crashed, Luca Diana <windtalke...@netzero.net> laughed
madly, then wrote:
>AmigaOS XL
>http://www.amigaxl.haage-partner.de/index-e.html
Cool picture.
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John T Maguire
<windtalke...@netzero.net> wrote:
>AmigaOS XL
>http://www.amigaxl.haage-partner.de/index-e.html
>
Wow, a picture of a wave. That's content for you!
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Timothy Rue
>On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:49:13 -0400, Luca Diana
><windtalke...@netzero.net> wrote:
>>AmigaOS XL
>>http://www.amigaxl.haage-partner.de/index-e.html
>>
>Wow, a picture of a wave. That's content for you!
notice how the english wave has better resolution then the ...... other
one
Ahhh, it's scaleable
SG
I also like their bold use of the word "maybe."
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Lasse Bodilsen
There is a long and complicated story attached to that maybe, which i
have no intention or right to get futher into.
But. dont you think H&P would know how fast a PPC amiga would be
compared to the 'supposed' to be new product?
Lasse Bodilsen <-> S...@BodyCount.dk
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wrote something about "AmigaOS XL"...
>
> AmigaOS XL
> http://www.amigaxl.haage-partner.de/index-e.html
Doesn't look all that impressive at first glance - I mean, I've seen
far better photos of waves.
However, I think I've worked out what it is - it's an English <->
Deutsche translator, right? I mean, click on the link on teh bottom
left and it translates all the text back and forth between the two
languages quite well.
Now if only I can figure out how one adds their own text for
translation, we can see how good this translator is!
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Timothy Rue
>On Sat, 01 Sep 2001 03:15:24 GMT, "SG" <s...@erols.com> wrote:
>>> On 31-Aug-01 19:03:30 John T Maguire <wiz...@port-gifts.com> wrote:
>>> >On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:49:13 -0400, Luca Diana
>>> ><windtalke...@netzero.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>AmigaOS XL
>>> >>http://www.amigaxl.haage-partner.de/index-e.html
>>> >>
>>> >Wow, a picture of a wave. That's content for you!
>>>
>>> notice how the english wave has better resolution then the ...... other
>>> one
>>
>>I also like their bold use of the word "maybe."
>There is a long and complicated story attached to that maybe, which i
>have no intention or right to get futher into.
Yeah, the jist of which is the complicated story of hardware advancements
and built-in compatabilities, or not, and secret rooms where only internal
affairs of a company are allowed, not the competition. I course I could be
wrong, see below.
>But. dont you think H&P would know how fast a PPC amiga would be
>compared to the 'supposed' to be new product?
Oh wait, Amiga is now a software only company. Have they optimized the
code buy taking out all custom chip compatability?
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Lasse Bodilsen
<thre...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>There is a long and complicated story attached to that maybe, which i
>>have no intention or right to get futher into.
>
>Yeah, the jist of which is the complicated story of hardware advancements
>and built-in compatabilities, or not, and secret rooms where only internal
>affairs of a company are allowed, not the competition. I course I could be
>wrong, see below.
>
>>But. dont you think H&P would know how fast a PPC amiga would be
>>compared to the 'supposed' to be new product?
>
>Oh wait, Amiga is now a software only company. Have they optimized the
>code buy taking out all custom chip compatability?
>
If you mean Amithlon, which dont have custom chipset support. its
really no big loss, as all major amiga apps for productivity works
without the custom chipset. just that they work faster under amithlon.
H&P's emulator does however have custom chipset emulation, which tend
to slow even the use of RTG apps down.
SG
>
> >> On 31-Aug-01 19:03:30 John T Maguire <wiz...@port-gifts.com> wrote:
> >> >On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:49:13 -0400, Luca Diana
> >> ><windtalke...@netzero.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>AmigaOS XL
> >> >>http://www.amigaxl.haage-partner.de/index-e.html
> >> >>
> >> >Wow, a picture of a wave. That's content for you!
> >>
> >> notice how the english wave has better resolution then the ...... other
> >> one
> >
> >I also like their bold use of the word "maybe."
>
> There is a long and complicated story attached to that maybe, which i
> have no intention or right to get futher into.
>
> But. dont you think H&P would know how fast a PPC amiga would be
> compared to the 'supposed' to be new product?
Maybe.
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SG
> On Sat, 01 Sep 2001 16:22:30 GMT, "Timothy Rue"
> <thre...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >>There is a long and complicated story attached to that maybe, which i
> >>have no intention or right to get futher into.
> >
> >Yeah, the jist of which is the complicated story of hardware advancements
> >and built-in compatabilities, or not, and secret rooms where only internal
> >affairs of a company are allowed, not the competition. I course I could be
> >wrong, see below.
> >
> >>But. dont you think H&P would know how fast a PPC amiga would be
> >>compared to the 'supposed' to be new product?
> >
> >Oh wait, Amiga is now a software only company. Have they optimized the
> >code buy taking out all custom chip compatability?
> >
>
> If you mean Amithlon, which dont have custom chipset support. its
> really no big loss, as all major amiga apps for productivity works
> without the custom chipset. just that they work faster under amithlon.
> H&P's emulator does however have custom chipset emulation, which tend
> to slow even the use of RTG apps down.
IOWs, its the old HP/AmiJoe system finally nearing release, with the
AmiJoe part replaced with WarpOS's hw independent driver system.
Sounds like fun. Its sure been a long time coming.
--
-Steve.
Lasse Bodilsen
>> >
>> >I also like their bold use of the word "maybe."
>>
>> There is a long and complicated story attached to that maybe, which i
>> have no intention or right to get futher into.
>>
>> But. dont you think H&P would know how fast a PPC amiga would be
>> compared to the 'supposed' to be new product?
>
>Maybe.
:-)
Lasse Bodilsen
>> >Oh wait, Amiga is now a software only company. Have they optimized the
>> >code buy taking out all custom chip compatability?
>> >
>>
>> If you mean Amithlon, which dont have custom chipset support. its
>> really no big loss, as all major amiga apps for productivity works
>> without the custom chipset. just that they work faster under amithlon.
>> H&P's emulator does however have custom chipset emulation, which tend
>> to slow even the use of RTG apps down.
>
>IOWs, its the old HP/AmiJoe system finally nearing release, with the
>AmiJoe part replaced with WarpOS's hw independent driver system.
>
>Sounds like fun. Its sure been a long time coming.
ehh no,
Its UAE-JIT compiled for QNX, with some fancy addons. this is an
emulator all the way true. It dont make it any less an emulator, just
because H&P did it.
Luca Diana
>On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:49:13 -0400, Luca Diana
><windtalke...@netzero.net> wrote:
>
>>AmigaOS XL
>>http://www.amigaxl.haage-partner.de/index-e.html
>>
>Wow, a picture of a wave. That's content for you!
Some less lazy people might even find a more interesting phrase in the
source code :)
Luca
Luca Diana
>However, I think I've worked out what it is - it's an English <->
>Deutsche translator, right? I mean, click on the link on teh bottom
>left and it translates all the text back and forth between the two
>languages quite well.
LOL
Hey, I just provided the link, made no promises on its content ;-)
Luca
SG
> On Sat, 01 Sep 2001 17:36:38 GMT, "SG" <s...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> >> >Oh wait, Amiga is now a software only company. Have they optimized the
> >> >code buy taking out all custom chip compatability?
> >> >
> >>
> >> If you mean Amithlon, which dont have custom chipset support. its
> >> really no big loss, as all major amiga apps for productivity works
> >> without the custom chipset. just that they work faster under amithlon.
> >> H&P's emulator does however have custom chipset emulation, which tend
> >> to slow even the use of RTG apps down.
> >
> >IOWs, its the old HP/AmiJoe system finally nearing release, with the
> >AmiJoe part replaced with WarpOS's hw independent driver system.
> >
> >Sounds like fun. Its sure been a long time coming.
>
> ehh no,
> Its UAE-JIT compiled for QNX, with some fancy addons. this is an
> emulator all the way true. It dont make it any less an emulator, just
> because H&P did it.
So was H&Ps emulator for AmiJoe.
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Paul Kitching
Luca Diana <windtalke...@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:ej80ptoph42kiu890...@4ax.com...
Check page 21 of Amiga Active for some more info, or
http://www.amiga.org/article.php?sid=1313&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
Paul.
Lasse Bodilsen
>> >IOWs, its the old HP/AmiJoe system finally nearing release, with the
>> >AmiJoe part replaced with WarpOS's hw independent driver system.
>> >
>> >Sounds like fun. Its sure been a long time coming.
>>
>> ehh no,
>> Its UAE-JIT compiled for QNX, with some fancy addons. this is an
>> emulator all the way true. It dont make it any less an emulator, just
>> because H&P did it.
>
>So was H&Ps emulator for AmiJoe.
let me clarify.
This emulator requires QNX as a host OS. and is x86 only. there is no
hardware independent driver system at all, and most surely no code
reused from the amijoe project.
SG
> On Sat, 01 Sep 2001 19:16:24 GMT, "SG" <s...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> >> >IOWs, its the old HP/AmiJoe system finally nearing release, with the
> >> >AmiJoe part replaced with WarpOS's hw independent driver system.
> >> >
> >> >Sounds like fun. Its sure been a long time coming.
> >>
> >> ehh no,
> >> Its UAE-JIT compiled for QNX, with some fancy addons. this is an
> >> emulator all the way true. It dont make it any less an emulator, just
> >> because H&P did it.
> >
> >So was H&Ps emulator for AmiJoe.
>
> let me clarify.
> This emulator requires QNX as a host OS. and is x86 only. there is no
> hardware independent driver system at all, and most surely no code
> reused from the amijoe project.
Both are emulated environments, except that it requires custom chip
set emulation in addition, and can run no ppc code. AmiJoe would've
been fully native running that, as will the new crop of PPC-only
Amigas.
--
-Steve.
Lasse Bodilsen
>> >>
>> >> ehh no,
>> >> Its UAE-JIT compiled for QNX, with some fancy addons. this is an
>> >> emulator all the way true. It dont make it any less an emulator, just
>> >> because H&P did it.
>> >
>> >So was H&Ps emulator for AmiJoe.
>>
>> let me clarify.
>> This emulator requires QNX as a host OS. and is x86 only. there is no
>> hardware independent driver system at all, and most surely no code
>> reused from the amijoe project.
>
>Both are emulated environments, except that it requires custom chip
>set emulation in addition, and can run no ppc code. AmiJoe would've
>been fully native running that, as will the new crop of PPC-only
>Amigas.
Yes and your point being?
just because they both would have used 68k emulation to achieve AOS
compatibility, don't mean they are using the same code base. Actually
if the original v68k where a jit compiler, it could not have been used
for this new emulator, as jit compilers are very hardware dependent on
the host cpu which it was written for, and could not easily have been
ported to x86. (and why do that when someone else already did a 68k
jit compiler for x86).
BTW: I do follow development on amiga hardware, so i know that the
PPC-only amigas will run PPC software native.
Mika Hanhijärvi
>
> >> >Oh wait, Amiga is now a software only company. Have they optimized the
> >> >code buy taking out all custom chip compatability?
> >> >
> >>
> >> If you mean Amithlon, which dont have custom chipset support. its
> >> really no big loss, as all major amiga apps for productivity works
> >> without the custom chipset. just that they work faster under amithlon.
> >> H&P's emulator does however have custom chipset emulation, which tend
> >> to slow even the use of RTG apps down.
> >
> >IOWs, its the old HP/AmiJoe system finally nearing release, with the
> >AmiJoe part replaced with WarpOS's hw independent driver system.
> >
> >Sounds like fun. Its sure been a long time coming.
>
> ehh no,
> Its UAE-JIT compiled for QNX, with some fancy addons. this is an
> emulator all the way true. It dont make it any less an emulator, just
> because H&P did it.
One thing i can't understand. People seem to think automaticly that
every new m68k emulation is just UAE. Then Why don't people say that
Fusion is just Shapeshifter ? Shape was there long before Fusion.
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Lasse Bodilsen
wrote:
>> >IOWs, its the old HP/AmiJoe system finally nearing release, with the
>> >AmiJoe part replaced with WarpOS's hw independent driver system.
>> >
>> >Sounds like fun. Its sure been a long time coming.
>>
>> ehh no,
>> Its UAE-JIT compiled for QNX, with some fancy addons. this is an
>> emulator all the way true. It dont make it any less an emulator, just
>> because H&P did it.
>
>One thing i can't understand. People seem to think automaticly that
>every new m68k emulation is just UAE. Then Why don't people say that
>Fusion is just Shapeshifter ? Shape was there long before Fusion.
Mostly because the two recently demostrated emulations are derived
from the UAE-JIT source :-), that is a fact.
Fusion and shapeshifter are not derived from the same source tree.
Amithlon and AmigaOS XL is, allthough one of the two have been
developed way beyond the features of UAE, where the other is mostly
the same as a normal UAE install. (take a guess which is which)
Bill Hoggett
>[SNIPPED (550+ lines of code)]
>
>Why Tim? Why couldn't you give a simple explanation of what the
>code does instead of posting it. Surely such an explanation would
>have taken less than 550 lines.
You're assuming he knows what the code does himself...
I'd say that was quite a massive leap in logic. :)
--
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Timothy Rue
Why explain anything when there is a program that you can run and simply
follow the help that's in the program itself?
i.e. first line of help output contains:
"search engine with keyed word, sub-words and multi-file depth."
If there is then something that's not understood, then ask me here.
But in any event, as computer learning goes for the user, doing it is the
personal feedback loop needed to really understand.
For proof of this, consider the description header text is apparently not
enough for you to understand.
But for those who have the interest in glancing over the notes in the
code, they may pick up such additional information that will give them
insight to what the program does and maybe even how to change some default
settings (Oh the joy of open source).
About python on the Amiga.
your installing python on the Amiga creates a directory where all it's
support files are within. Really no different than most any other program
or system you install on the Amiga. i.e. workbench, Arexx, toaster
software, rebol, simpleFTP, etc..
And there is an assign or two that gets added to your user start-up
sequence file (as many program installations do.) Such assignment allow
you to place you python programs anywhere on your system and still run
them without giving the path to the "python" interpreter.
i.e. >python ram:yourprogram.py
Amiga python doesn't support any of the external to python Tkinter
(Tcl/Tk) guis because Tcl/Tk hasn't been ported to the Amiga as far as I
know (though I may be wrong given there are those involved in the geek
gadgets Amiga stuff). There are as well other third party gui systems on
the other platforms that can be used with Python or other programming
languages.
However the gui4cli gui interface for the Amiga is available and there are
other gui packages for the Amiga, though perhaps far more programmer
intensive than the user oriented gui4cli.
On the positive side of Amiga python, it's certainly easier to set up and
use python on the amiga then on windows, but I can't say about linux or
other systems where python is available.
Python on the Amiga is far more evolved and powerful then AmigaBASIC (M$
or otherwise), Arexx (but has a full Arexx support), Rebol, etc.
Pretty good leap in logic, huh?
Keith Blakemore-Noble
wrote something about "Re: AmigaOS XL"...
Hehe!
That's almost Ruelink there - you wanna be careful! :)
SG
Marcel DeVoe
> One thing i can't understand. People seem to think automaticly that
> every new m68k emulation is just UAE. Then Why don't people say that
> Fusion is just Shapeshifter ? Shape was there long before Fusion.
O.T. but...
ShapeShifter was based on Emplant but without the hardware.
Emplant was the precursor to Fusion by the same authors.
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> O.T. but...
> ShapeShifter was based on Emplant but without the hardware.
Jim Drew claimed so, bur his often mentioned lawsuit against ShSh
had never success. If parts looks like the same its only because
programmers do the same actions.
> Emplant was the precursor to Fusion by the same authors.
Its also claimed that Emplant is stolen from XYZ, can't remember
the name of a black&white MAC-emulation *before* emplant.
(AMac, AmiMac????)
regards, Andreas
Timothy Rue
>regards, Andreas
Just think, if the same results are comming up by different people, then
hell we should be able to automate it. Let everyone re-invent the same
stuff.
John Burns
>>Hi,
>>> O.T. but...
>>> ShapeShifter was based on Emplant but without the hardware.
>>Jim Drew claimed so, bur his often mentioned lawsuit against ShSh
>>had never success. If parts looks like the same its only because
>>programmers do the same actions.
>>
>>> Emplant was the precursor to Fusion by the same authors.
>>Its also claimed that Emplant is stolen from XYZ, can't remember
>>the name of a black&white MAC-emulation *before* emplant.
>>(AMac, AmiMac????)
>>regards, Andreas
>Just think, if the same results are comming up by different people, then
>hell we should be able to automate it. Let everyone re-invent the same
>stuff.
Yeah, wonder when someone will re-invent Gui4cli and tell us it's the greatest
thing since sliced bread Eh, Tim? ;)
Timothy Rue
>http://www.lava.net/~dewilson/writing/flame.retardant.html
>http://www.lava.net/~dewilson/asd/trolls.html
Cluke
news:180.650T1772T6...@earthlink.net:
> On 06-Sep-01 01:32:11 John Burns <jo...@grizo.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>http://www.lava.net/~dewilson/writing/flame.retardant.html
>>http://www.lava.net/~dewilson/asd/trolls.html
>
If you're going to incessantly post links to this group, you could at least
have the decency to make sure they are still working first.
Damien
news:Xns9115AAD2856...@192.65.220.23...
(is it seven, eight) near identical messages to a single group, half the
time misrepresenting the message as a quote from someone else. I guess I'll
find out when they reply. (ab...@earthlink.net - it is usually best to send
the full message headers, or at least the message IDs)
Timothy Rue
Who knows, maybe they will get on Johns ISPs ass for not only not dealing
with Johns obsessive trolling but for encouraging him. Or was that someone
else posing to be from Johns ISPs abuse department?
Maybe they will get john to fix his newsreader so he correctly quotes.
Or maybe they will provide you with more up to date links regarding how to
deal with tolls and flamers.
Who knows, maybe you might even get the hint.
Gl...@canit.se
+Andreas Berger <Andreas...@de.bosch.com> wrote
>> Emplant was the precursor to Fusion by the same authors.
>Its also claimed that Emplant is stolen from XYZ, can't remember
>the name of a black&white MAC-emulation *before* emplant.
>(AMac, AmiMac????)
AMax ?
I own an AMax II Zorrocard, only have one of the disks for it, but
the original software sucked anyway.. (But both Shapeshifter and fusion
support the card)
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>>http://www.lava.net/~dewilson/writing/flame.retardant.html
>>http://www.lava.net/~dewilson/asd/trolls.html
Yeah that's right Tim anyone who disagrees or points out your stupidity is a
troll. Pity you couldn t answer the question?
P.S.
Still waiting for your proof that aliens are living on earth
John Burns
>>"Cluke" <cl...@cluke.oh.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:Xns9115AAD2856...@192.65.220.23...
>>> "Timothy Rue" <thre...@earthlink.net> wrote in
>>> news:180.650T1772T6...@earthlink.net:
>>>
>>> > On 06-Sep-01 01:32:11 John Burns <jo...@grizo.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>http://www.lava.net/~dewilson/writing/flame.retardant.html
>>> >>http://www.lava.net/~dewilson/asd/trolls.html
>>> >
>>>
>>> If you're going to incessantly post links to this group, you could at
>>least
>>> have the decency to make sure they are still working first.
>>I just wonder what earthlinks abuse department make of their members posting
>>(is it seven, eight) near identical messages to a single group, half the
>>time misrepresenting the message as a quote from someone else. I guess I'll
>>find out when they reply. (ab...@earthlink.net - it is usually best to send
>>the full message headers, or at least the message IDs)
>Who knows, maybe they will get on Johns ISPs ass for not only not dealing
>with Johns obsessive trolling but for encouraging him. Or was that someone
>else posing to be from Johns ISPs abuse department?
Who knows, ask them, maybe they decided I had a valid point in my criticism of
you. You reported me, go on do it again if it makes you happy. Still doesn't
make any of you arguments right though, does it?
>Maybe they will get john to fix his newsreader so he correctly quotes.
When have I misquoted you, I think not, it is you who uses this tactic to mislead.
Once again easily checked in the archives
>Or maybe they will provide you with more up to date links regarding how to
>deal with tolls and flamers.
Maybe they'1l give you a dictionary.
>Who knows, maybe you might even get the hint.
You silly liitle man. It is you who is the most abusive and untruthful poster
on this NG. If you don't agree we can easily check the archives. You recently
spoke about defamation of character to which I replied. I am still waiting to
be sued for the accusations I made about you. Of course the fact that I can verify
all said accusations may have something to do with it.
Dave
John Burns wrote in message
<840.649T584T...@grizo.free-online.co.uk>...
>>hell we should be able to automate it. Let everyone re-invent the same
>>stuff.
>
>Yeah, wonder when someone will re-invent Gui4cli and tell us it's the
greatest
>thing since sliced bread Eh, Tim? ;)
>
needed to solve many computing issues - although perhaps not this one.
Problem is that almost anything on a computer is an automation tool - from a
compiler through IDEs to modelling software partnered with codegen.
Tim has good ideas that whilst are not novel in themselves, if he put aside
time to learn programming and implement it beyond the sample form that
people ridicule, could prove useful to many. How about some encouragement to
realise VIC rather than ridicule it. People ridiculed the Harrier ( in its
sample form as basically an iron bed that had jets at each corner ) and it
is one of the biggest breakthroughs in military aviation.
Dave.
John Burns
><840.649T584T...@grizo.free-online.co.uk>...
>>>On 05-Sep-01 06:41:24 Andreas Berger <Andreas...@de.bosch.com> wrote:
>>>>Hi,
>>
>>>Just think, if the same results are comming up by different people, then
>>>hell we should be able to automate it. Let everyone re-invent the same
>>>stuff.
>>
>>Yeah, wonder when someone will re-invent Gui4cli and tell us it's the
>greatest
>>thing since sliced bread Eh, Tim? ;)
>>
>Stop baiting Tim. He is absolutely right that automation tools are what is
>needed to solve many computing issues - although perhaps not this one.
>Problem is that almost anything on a computer is an automation tool - from a
>compiler through IDEs to modelling software partnered with codegen.
You are completely wrong in your interpretation of my intentions with regard to
Tim. I agree with you that automation tools are great news for users. If Tim
were to complete his VIC project and it was the best thing, as he frequently tells
us, then I would willingly congratulate him. However, when he whinges that it is
not finished because no-one will help him whilst rudely attacking all who ask him
any questions about it then he deserves no help, nor courtesy.
>Tim has good ideas that whilst are not novel in themselves,
Then they are hardly his ideas are they?
> if he put aside
>time to learn programming and implement it beyond the sample form that
>people ridicule, could prove useful to many. How about some encouragement to
>realise VIC rather than ridicule it. People ridiculed the Harrier ( in its
>sample form as basically an iron bed that had jets at each corner ) and it
>is one of the biggest breakthroughs in military aviation.
As to your analogy, it's akin to lying with statistics; I could post some analogies
of ideas which were ridiculed and rightly so but what is the point. You point out
yourself that Tim needs to learn some skills before he will achieve his aims so tell
_him_ this, not me I already accept this point.
People, myself included, attack and ridicule Tim because of what he states not out
of personal animosity. I do not attack every post he makes:
a. Because sometimes others have already made the same point.
b. Because I just can't be bothered.
c. Because he has a valid point (rare though it is).
When Tim learns that he must accept that the onus of proof for his statements lies
with himself and that, when challenged he should produce such instead of resorting to
insult, changing the subject, snipping previous posts to misrepresent or ignoring
the question, maybe then people will take him seriously and help him.
If you feel strongly about helping him then please do so and I wish you luck in
getting any useful information on the VIC from him, many others have tried only to
end up flaming him because of his beligerance/accusations. Come on now, he recently
wouldn't, (although he had done so previously), accept that broken/bad HTML on his
website is his responsibility.
Ross Vumbaca
AMax?
Regards,
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Timothy Rue
John?
I really don't know what to believe of this. But what I do know is that to
really change the way things are, it takes consumers/users and that means
being out in the open.
It'd be great to have some real help, but as things have been I find it
really difficult to trust people. With that in mind, and as it has always
been even before such experiences, my work, or the VIC is to be of GPL
license nature and to be done out in the open. Anyone can help out in the
open, where I know it's safe from IP grabbing.
There is no secret formula, nothing to be hidden. There is no killer app,
only alot of people/consumer/users who can do really great things if given
the right tools. You might say, it's the only way I can keep peace of
mind.
There is money to be made via the VIC and I'd certainly like to be able to
make it a paying career so I can stop eating sawdust in the occupation I
work in. But as it is, between work and trying to get or keep a focus on
creating the VIC, the later seems to get the short side of that stick as
sawdust work can be 12 hour days 7 days a week. which it looks like I may
be getting such a schedual real soon.
With this in mind, I hardly have time for trying to get something more
done with the VIC. Sending me a Dev package wouldn't help.
But if you are wondering, the money to be made via the VIC is further down
the road and right now it's a matter of taking one step at a time in that
direction.
You say you are looking for idea men. Me, I'm trying to do something that
others can use to more easily make their ideas reality.
Tim Rue
John Burns
What was the original to which this was a reply? When? Without these details
it's hard to judge what point you are trying to make.
Okay given that I accept this at face value as a genuine reply to an email
what does it prove? That you once managed to respond to an inquiry about the
VIC without resorting to insult. Big deal that still does not change the fact,
and the point I was making, that of the responses which you post in public none
are either polite or informative as evidenced by recently calling someone "F***ing
Stupid" for asking you a simple question. Even after the poster made it clear
that he had not been trying to be funny or have a go; did you apologise, NO.
Other posters to this NG have stated that in private correspondence with you about
VIC you became abusive, accusatory and uncooperative, were they all lying?
Of course you forget Tim that I once entered into private correspondence, (different
email address at the time), with you and although initially you were polite your
replies to my questions rapidly deteriorated into insult and accusation at which
point I told you that I did not see any point in carrying on the dialogue. It
further dismayed me to find that you had been posting your replies to me publically
after carefully cutting and pasting to present your side of the debate in a favourable
light whilst at the same time misrepresenting me, hardly honest was it Tim.
The other point which I, and others, have made is that you consistently refuse to
describe the VIC in clear and concise language and this reply certainly does not
address that point does it.
I would actually prefer if you did finish VIC then we could all take a look at the
finished program and decide ourselves how good/if it was of any benefit. However,
to whinge about no-one helping you and about not having time to do it yourself is
self defeating - It's your project Tim and therefore your responsibility. I live
in Scotland and therefore am not conversant with the labour laws in the US but I
doubt that your employers can force you to work 12hrs 7 days a week If you can't
organise your own schedule to enable you to work on VIC then tough luck but given
my assumption about US labour laws is correct then by your decision to work such
hours you are responsible for your own plight and therefore there is no justification
for using it as an excuse.
It is on things such as these on which you are judged not some unsupported text
which you claim is a reply to an email.
The fact that you occassionally post On Topic, politely, and make relevant points does
not negate all the Off Topic, impolite, irrelevant and unsubstantiated posts you
make and on which you are attacked.
Timothy Rue
# PK file array - VIC Dictionary
# Setting the standard variables to defaults
vic = {
'AI': {
'1': 'AI_name_number',
'2': 'PK_file_directory',
'3': 'Current_Directory' },
'PK': {
'1': 'PK_filename',
'2': 'last_alt_PK_filename',
'3': 'default_PK_filenane' },
'OI': {
'1': 'OI_filename',
'2': 'last_alt_OI_filename',
'3': 'opt_default_OI_filename' },
'IP': {
'1': 'device',
'2': 'preprocess_or_Class',
'3': 'BOI_EOI',
'4': 'opt_last_alt_set' },
'OP': {
'1': 'device',
'2': 'postprocess_or_Class',
'3': 'BOO_EOO',
'4': 'opt_last_alt_set' },
'SF': {
'1': 'SF_LPC_flags',
'2': 'last_alt_flags',
'3': 'SF_fname_at_line_no',
'4': 'opt_last_alt_set',
'5': 'SF_filename_at_line_no_running_stack' },
'IQ': {
'1': 'IQ_flags',
'2': 'last_alt_flags',
'3': 'IQ_fname_at_line_no',
'4': 'opt_last_alt_set',
'5': 'IQ_filename_at_line_no_running_stack' },
'ID': {
'1': 'ID_flags',
'2': 'last_alt_flags',
'3': 'ID_fname_at_line_no',
'4': 'opt_last_alt_set',
'5': 'ID_filename_at_line_no_running_stack' },
'KE': {
'1': 'Master_teeth',
'2': 'last_alt_Master_teeth',
'3': 'KE_fname',
'4': 'opt_last_alt_set' }
}
# Test!!!
print vic['AI']['1'], vic['AI']['2'], vic['AI']['3']
print vic['PK']['1'], vic['PK']['2'], vic['PK']['3']
print vic['OI']['1'], vic['OI']['2'], vic['OI']['3']
print vic['IP']['1'], vic['IP']['2'], vic['IP']['3'], vic['IP']['4']
print vic['OP']['1'], vic['OP']['2'], vic['OP']['3'], vic['OP']['4']
print vic['SF']['1'], vic['SF']['2'], vic['SF']['3'], vic['SF']['4']
print vic['SF']['5']
print vic['IQ']['1'], vic['IQ']['2'], vic['IQ']['3'], vic['IQ']['4']
print vic['IQ']['5']
print vic['ID']['1'], vic['ID']['2'], vic['ID']['3'], vic['ID']['4']
print vic['ID']['5']
print vic['KE']['1'], vic['KE']['2'], vic['KE']['3'], vic['KE']['4']
/*==================================*/
/*Reading in the PK file.
If no filename is present then read default.
if default does not exist, warn and create*/
PKfilename = 0
/*check internal variables*/
IF vic.2.1 > '' THEN PKfilename = vic.2.1
ELSE DO
IF VIC.2.2 > '' THEN PKfilename = vic.2.2
END
/* If above fails try "default.pk" */
IF PKfilename = 0 THEN DO
IF EXISTS(vic.2.3) = 0 THEN DO
SAY 'WARNING: default PK file ('vic.2.3') not available. Creating It'
/* create/write PK file from internal default*/
END
ELSE PKfilename = vic.2.3
END
IF PKfilename ~= 0 THEN DO
IF OPEN('PK_file',PKfilename,'R') ~= 0 THEN DO
/* read the result file if available */
current_line = READLN('PK_file')
PARSE VAR current_line vic.1 ':' vic.1.1 ';' vic.1.2 ';' vic.1.3
current_line = READLN('PK_file')
PARSE VAR current_line vic.2 ':' vic.2.1 ';' vic.2.2 ';' vic.2.3
current_line = READLN('PK_file')
PARSE VAR current_line vic.3 ':' vic.3.1 ';' vic.3.2 ';' vic.3.3
current_line = READLN('PK_file')
PARSE VAR current_line vic.4 ':' vic.4.1 ';' vic.4.2 ';' vic.4.3
current_line = READLN('PK_file')
PARSE VAR current_line vic.5 ':' vic.5.1 ';' vic.5.2 ';' vic.5.3
current_line = READLN('PK_file')
PARSE VAR current_line vic.6 ':' vic.6.1 ';' vic.6.2 ';' vic.6.3
vic.6.5 = READLN('PK_file')
current_line = READLN('PK_file')
PARSE VAR current_line vic.7 ':' vic.7.1 ';' vic.7.2 ';' vic.7.3
vic.7.5= READLN('PK_file')
current_line = READLN('PK_file')
PARSE VAR current_line vic.8 ':' vic.8.1 ';' vic.8.2 ';' vic.8.3
vic.8.5 = READLN('PK_file')
current_line = READLN('PK_file')
PARSE VAR current_line vic.9 ':' vic.9.1 ';' vic.9.2 ';' vic.9.3
/* this is how we will keep track of sf,iq,id line numbers ???*/
SAY SEEK('PK_file',0,'C')
END
ELSE DO
SAY "variable_pkfile not available"
END
END
/*=====================*/
/* Writing the PK file */
SAY OPEN('PK-file-out','*','W')
WRITELN('PK-file-out',vic.1":"vic.1.1";"vic.1.2";"vic.1.3)
WRITELN('PK-file-out',vic.2":"vic.2.1";"vic.2.2";"vic.2.3)
WRITELN('PK-file-out',vic.3":"vic.3.1";"vic.3.2";"vic.3.3)
WRITELN('PK-file-out',vic.4":"vic.4.1";"vic.4.2";"vic.4.3)
WRITELN('PK-file-out',vic.5":"vic.5.1";"vic.5.2";"vic.5.3)
WRITELN('PK-file-out',vic.6":"vic.6.1";"vic.6.2";"vic.6.3)
WRITELN('PK-file-out',vic.6.5)
WRITELN('PK-file-out',vic.7":"vic.7.1";"vic.7.2";"vic.7.3)
WRITELN('PK-file-out',vic.7.5)
WRITELN('PK-file-out',vic.8":"vic.8.1";"vic.8.2";"vic.8.3)
WRITELN('PK-file-out',vic.8.5)
WRITELN('PK-file-out',vic.9":"vic.9.1";"vic.9.2";"vic.9.3)
CLOSE('PK-file-out')
Damien
missed you these past couple of days...
"Timothy Rue" <thre...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:5175.653T2987T1...@earthlink.net...
> #! Python
>
> # PK file array - VIC Dictionary
> # Setting the standard variables to defaults
Oh you're so right!
>
> vic = {
>
> 'AI': {
> '1': 'AI_name_number',
> '2': 'PK_file_directory',
> '3': 'Current_Directory' },
I can't agree with that though
>
> 'PK': {
> '1': 'PK_filename',
> '2': 'last_alt_PK_filename',
> '3': 'default_PK_filenane' },
LOL, good one.
Or, maybe, you could try posting something intelligible?
Timothy Rue
How about that you have just proven yourself to be an ignorant troll?
You know, the sort of idiot that would be standing on the edge of a cliff
that is breaking away and bosting yourself up about how stupid the person
who is trying to tell you to move, is.
Troy Parker
<damien_the...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
> missed you these past couple of days... "Timothy Rue"
> <thre...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:5175.653T2987T1...@earthlink.net...
>> #! Python
>>
>> # PK file array - VIC Dictionary
>> # Setting the standard variables to defaults
> Oh you're so right!
Can't argue with that.
>> vic = {
>>
>> 'AI': {
>> '1': 'AI_name_number',
>> '2': 'PK_file_directory',
>> '3': 'Current_Directory' },
> I can't agree with that though
Depends on how you look at it, I could go either way there.
>> 'PK': {
>> '1': 'PK_filename',
>> '2': 'last_alt_PK_filename',
>> '3': 'default_PK_filenane' },
> LOL, good one.
Yep, he's got you writhing in the crushing grip of reason!
> Or, maybe, you could try posting something intelligible?
Look who's talking! You didn't even post source code for that sentence!
;)
Timothy Rue
>Look who's talking! You didn't even post source code for that sentence!
>;)
It was a message I started monday nite but was to tired to finish and
forgot about it Tuesday nite (12 hr work days, go figure). So when I
finally posted another message, it too got posted (my having forgotten
about it).
Hmmm, FBI has supposedly confirmed Atlanta was a terroist target tuesday.
I live in Atlanta. Hartsfield Airport continues to be under heavy security.
I wonder what happened that prevented atlanta from getting hit.
John Burns
># PK file array - VIC Dictionary
># Setting the standard variables to defaults
>vic = {
[SNIP]
I had thought this might be a sensible reply to my last post but surprise, surprise, your
back to your old ploy of flooding the NG with lines of code. Please do us all a favour
and restrict your replies to english. I don't even understand what you hope to prove by
this since by your own admission VIC is unfinished.
John Burns
Well done Tim, back to insults again I see. Why didn't you just apologise for the
post since you've admitted it was sent mistakenly. It is you who proves their
ignorance by rudely attacking all who make legitimate remarks about your posts.
Timothy Rue
>>vic = {
>[SNIP]
fix your quoting asshole.
John Burns
>>>#! Python
>>># PK file array - VIC Dictionary
>>># Setting the standard variables to defaults
>>>vic = {
>>[SNIP]
>>I had thought this might be a sensible reply to my last post but surprise,
>>surprise, your back to your old ploy of flooding the NG with lines of code.
>>Please do us all a favour and restrict your replies to english. I don't
>>even understand what you hope to prove by this since by your own admission
>>VIC is unfinished.
>fix your quoting asshole.
Tim why do you bother coming to NGs when you cannot carry out a conversation
without resorting to insult and swearing?
Troy Parker
<thre...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 14-Sep-01 20:12:20 Troy Parker <oyhrfrp...@lnubb.pbz> wrote:
>
>>Look who's talking! You didn't even post source code for that sentence!
>>;)
>
>
> It was a message I started monday nite but was to tired to finish and
> forgot about it Tuesday nite (12 hr work days, go figure). So when I
> finally posted another message, it too got posted (my having forgotten
> about it).
>
> Hmmm, FBI has supposedly confirmed Atlanta was a terroist target
> tuesday.
>
> I live in Atlanta. Hartsfield Airport continues to be under heavy
> security.
>
> I wonder what happened that prevented atlanta from getting hit.
I'm wondering why they didn't target the Statue of liberty, that would
have been more symbolic than the WTC. Then again, symbolism was probably
not much of a concern as murder.
Timothy Rue
>>>>vic = {
>>>[SNIP]
>>fix your quoting asshole.
hey asshole, do something productive.
or maybe you'll be the next with a heart attack.
#! Python
# PK file array - VIC Dictionary
# Setting the standard variables to defaults
vic = {
'AI': {
}
This below needs to be c9onverted from arexx to python. It is now your
task Mr. Asshole. Prove yourself useful.
PKfilename = 0
/*check internal variables*/
ELSE DO
END
END
ELSE PKfilename = vic.2.3
END
END
ELSE DO
SAY "variable_pkfile not available"
END
END
CLOSE('PK-file-out')
John Burns
>>>On 14-Sep-01 23:21:06 John Burns <jo...@grizo.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>#! Python
>>>>># PK file array - VIC Dictionary
>>>>># Setting the standard variables to defaults
>>>>>vic = {
>>>>[SNIP]
>>>>I had thought this might be a sensible reply to my last post but surprise,
>>>>surprise, your back to your old ploy of flooding the NG with lines of
>>>>code. Please do us all a favour and restrict your replies to english. I
>>>>don't even understand what you hope to prove by this since by your own
>>>>admission VIC is unfinished.
>>>fix your quoting asshole.
>>Tim why do you bother coming to NGs when you cannot carry out a conversation
>>without resorting to insult and swearing?
>hey asshole, do something productive.
>or maybe you'll be the next with a heart attack.
>#! Python
[SNIP]
Wow more [snipped] astounding script code from Tim. All those years of work for this
- You must be so proud, (I bet it was those aliens who you believe in who gave you the
insight necessary to enhance all our computing pleasure by using this). Unfortunately
though despite your repeated claims it doesn't do anything astounding or revolutionary.
Oh, and thanks for the well wishes Tim fortunately though my heart is, I believe,
in good nick. Now, if only the same could be said of your intellect?
John Burns
>> On 14-Sep-01 20:12:20 Troy Parker <oyhrfrp...@lnubb.pbz> wrote:
>>
>>>Look who's talking! You didn't even post source code for that sentence!
>>>;)
>>
>>
>> It was a message I started monday nite but was to tired to finish and
>> forgot about it Tuesday nite (12 hr work days, go figure). So when I
>> finally posted another message, it too got posted (my having forgotten
>> about it).
>>
>> Hmmm, FBI has supposedly confirmed Atlanta was a terroist target
>> tuesday.
>>
>> I live in Atlanta. Hartsfield Airport continues to be under heavy
>> security.
>>
>> I wonder what happened that prevented atlanta from getting hit.
Tim's large ego would probably have probably been too much to fly around to
hit the target.
>I'm wondering why they didn't target the Statue of liberty, that would
>have been more symbolic than the WTC. Then again, symbolism was probably
>not much of a concern as murder.
I would propose that what they did target was more symbolic, given that they
hit the financial and military seats of America. As I understand it the symbolic
significance ot the Statue of Liberty would be Freedom and Justice; neither of
which an Islamic terrorist group (if that is who is proven to be responsible)
would eqate with America.
Bill Hoggett
<jo...@grizo.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
>Yeah, wonder when someone will re-invent Gui4cli and tell us it's the greatest
>thing since sliced bread Eh, Tim? ;)
He's switched to re-inventing Python now, I'll have you know.
Ambitious lad, our Tim.
--
Bill Hoggett