ZIP DRIVE and A4000!!!!!!
Dauber
I just picked up a SCSI Zip drive...I've been trying EVERY Zip program and
mountlist on Aminet, and even went back through the newsgroups for some
advice, and nothing helps.
Here's the scoop. My config is in the sig. I got that "ZJTools" program
from Aminet...and it actually got the Zip drive to spit the disk out, so I
know that there's a communication between the Miggy and the drive.
I've tried low-level formatting the Zip disk, but it just doesn't seem to
take...I just don't know how to explain it...
After low-level formatting, prepping, SCSIMounting, etc...I'll reboot and
try to mount and format the Zip disk...which usually ends up in a guru...
Any suggestions??? Advice?? Need more info??
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joe
On 12 Feb 99 23:35:58 +0500, Dauber wrote about ZIP DRIVE and A4000!!!!!!:
> Well well well...this is gonna be just wild...
>
> I just picked up a SCSI Zip drive...I've been trying EVERY Zip program and
> mountlist on Aminet, and even went back through the newsgroups for some
> advice, and nothing helps.
>
> Here's the scoop. My config is in the sig. I got that "ZJTools" program
> from Aminet...and it actually got the Zip drive to spit the disk out, so I
> know that there's a communication between the Miggy and the drive.
>
> I've tried low-level formatting the Zip disk, but it just doesn't seem to
> take...I just don't know how to explain it...
>
> After low-level formatting, prepping, SCSIMounting, etc...I'll reboot and
> try to mount and format the Zip disk...which usually ends up in a guru...
>
> Any suggestions??? Advice?? Need more info??
Hmmm, your A2091 may be a problem but I'm not sure of this. All I am sure
of is that MY A4000 runs SCSI zips no problem using a Commodity called
SquirrelJazzTools.
I imagine this is on Aminet. I don't actually own a Zip but we have a
few in our user's group. So one of the guys put SJtools in my WBStartup
drawer and I was able to use any external Zip drive on my Mk3 SCSI3
external port from that point on. It works like a floppy disk. When
you insert a zip disk the icon appears on my WB. When you remove it the
icon disappears. I've never had a problem so I highly recommend you
get SquirrelJazzTools ASAP..........joe
Tim
Daube> Well well well...this is gonna be just wild...
Daube>
Daube> I just picked up a SCSI Zip drive...I've been trying EVERY Zip
Daube> program and mountlist on Aminet, and even went back through
Daube> the newsgroups for some advice, and nothing helps.
Daube>
Daube> Here's the scoop. My config is in the sig. I got that
Daube> "ZJTools" program from Aminet...and it actually got the Zip
Daube> drive to spit the disk out, so I know that there's a
Daube> communication between the Miggy and the drive.
Daube>
Daube> I've tried low-level formatting the Zip disk, but it just
Daube> doesn't seem to take...I just don't know how to explain it...
Daube>
Daube> After low-level formatting, prepping, SCSIMounting, etc...I'll
Daube> reboot and try to mount and format the Zip disk...which
Daube> usually ends up in a guru...
Daube>
Daube> Any suggestions??? Advice?? Need more info??
ok I have a A4000 and Fastlane Z3 and a external Zip 100.
I have used the dos drivers on Aminet and also HDToolBox with no
problems.
Is the drive properly terminated? I had to remove termination on the
SCSI card to get the external SCSI port to work and terminate the
Zip.
I used HDToolBox and initially formatted the disk just like a normal
hard drive.
Works well in Fusion also.
Good Luck
Tim
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PicassoIV (Picasso96), Sony 17" SVGA
Fastlane Z3 SCSI 2, Seagate 4.3Gig SCSI 2
HP Deskjet 682C, Supra Express 56k
UMAX Astra 1200S 30-bit Scanner
amig...@my-dejanews.com
> Hmmm, your A2091 may be a problem but I'm not sure of this. All I am sure
> of is that MY A4000 runs SCSI zips no problem using a Commodity called
> SquirrelJazzTools.
>
> I imagine this is on Aminet. I don't actually own a Zip but we have a
> few in our user's group. So one of the guys put SJtools in my WBStartup
> drawer and I was able to use any external Zip drive on my Mk3 SCSI3
> external port from that point on. It works like a floppy disk. When
> you insert a zip disk the icon appears on my WB. When you remove it the
> icon disappears. I've never had a problem so I highly recommend you
> get SquirrelJazzTools ASAP..........joe
> ----
Looks like there are a few pirates in your user group. Zip and Jaz Tools isn't
on Aminet because it is a commercial program. Of course there are some
commercial program demos on Aminet, but I doubt that this is one of them.
Bought mine from Oregon Research before they went belly up.
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joe
On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:38:35 GMT, amig...@my-dejanews.com wrote about Re: ZIP DRIVE and A4000!!!!!!:
> Looks like there are a few pirates in your user group. Zip and Jaz Tools isn't
> on Aminet because it is a commercial program. Of course there are some
> commercial program demos on Aminet, but I doubt that this is one of them.
If it's not on Aminet then they either bought it or registered it (if shareware).
Don't automatically assume they are pirates. I do know they had one bitch of a
time getting everything working. There was a lot of cursing when they bought
the drives and installed the software originally. I didn't have a chance to use
a Zip until recently when one of the PPC guys wanted to get about 20megs of mpegs
(some with audio) off my hard drive. He used his external Zip drive and software to
get it off my A4000 and it worked without a problem 1st time! Sadly, ISISppc did not.
But that's another story. Yes, I know it works on other PPCs. But I'm STILL waiting
to see mpegs with audio on his PPC (A1200 25MHz 040/160MHz PPC)......joe
PS Why do these type of posts allways come from fake email accts like
hotmail, dejanews, etc.
Eric Haines
> mountlist on Aminet, and even went back through the newsgroups for some
> advice, and nothing helps.
> I've tried low-level formatting the Zip disk, but it just doesn't seem to
> take...I just don't know how to explain it...
Don't low-level format a Zip disk. It's not necessary and only wastes
your time.
> After low-level formatting, prepping, SCSIMounting, etc...I'll reboot and
> try to mount and format the Zip disk...which usually ends up in a guru...
>
> Any suggestions??? Advice?? Need more info??
1) Buy a new Zip disk; you might have fragged yours.
2) Do *not* do *ANY* low-level formatting, prepping, SCSIMounting, etc.
3) Put this in your user-startup:
mount XXX:
Make sure the name in your mountlist is "XXX:". Of course, you
should replace XXX with whatever name you choose. Zip: or something
like that.
4) Reboot, or just type "mount XXX:" now. There should be an icon on your
Workbench. Click on it and select "format." Don't even do a full
format, just use quick format. All done.
If you don't get an icon, try entering "dir XXX:" Your machine will
complain (because the disk isn't formatted yet) but you'll get an icon.
If this is the case, then put "dir XXX: >NIL:" in your user startup after
the mount command and make sure you always boot with a formatted Zip disk
in the drive. I had a brain-dead SCSI interface once that needed this.
It also needed a "diskchange XXX:" when changing disks, but that's long
gone, and now my Zip drive and magneto-optical drive work just like floppy
drives. Except better.
If that doesn't work, post your mountlist here so I can take a look at
it, or email eha...@mint.net.
Note: there are other ways of doing this. No doubt someone has already
recommended using HDToolBox or some such. While you *can* make your
Zip drive behave like a hard drive, I see no reason for doing so unless
you want to boot from it. But this is generally not a good idea if you
already have a hard drive.
--Eric
amig...@my-dejanews.com
>
> PS Why do these type of posts allways come from fake email accts like
> hotmail, dejanews, etc.
Not a fake e-mail account. Just another one of those free for life
accounts. Of course with millions of people accessing dejanews (don't
know about hotmail) my real name was already taken so.....
Not T.Rue
amig...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <7a3qcu$f2$1...@news1.epix.net>,
> e...@gornac.epix.net (joe) wrote:
> > ** To reply in e-mail, remove "gornac." from address **
> > [snip]
> >
> > PS Why do these type of posts allways come from fake email accts like
> > hotmail, dejanews, etc.
> >---
>
> Not a fake e-mail account. Just another one of those free for life
> accounts. Of course with millions of people accessing dejanews (don't
> know about hotmail) my real name was already taken so.....
Hotmail has about 30 million accounts, so a lot of real names are
taken, some more than once (johnsmith, john_smith, johnsmith99, etc.)
Some people have a hard time with this concept, however.
lo...@spam.net
I'm new here - what is Aminet and how do I get there?
I need Zip stuff to get my Zip to work between platforms.
joe
On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 04:19:11 GMT, Not T.Rue wrote about Re: ZIP DRIVE and A4000!!!!!!:
> In article <7a7mv4$7ql$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> amig...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > In article <7a3qcu$f2$1...@news1.epix.net>,
> > e...@gornac.epix.net (joe) wrote:
> > > ** To reply in e-mail, remove "gornac." from address **
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > PS Why do these type of posts allways come from fake email accts like
> > > hotmail, dejanews, etc.
> > >---
> >
> > Not a fake e-mail account. Just another one of those free for life
> > accounts. Of course with millions of people accessing dejanews (don't
> > know about hotmail) my real name was already taken so.....
>
> Hotmail has about 30 million accounts, so a lot of real names are
> taken, some more than once (johnsmith, john_smith, johnsmith99, etc.)
> Some people have a hard time with this concept, however.
By fake I mean "not your ISP acct." It is common practice on the ngs to troll
from hotmail, Yahoo, or other phony accts. Most times it is flame bait,
accusations, or outright lies. With the flamer too cowardly to risk his
own email acct with such posts. The most infamous is probably telescum,
telescum99, at excite, at hotmail, etc, etc or whatever his REAL acct is.
Hiding behind a floating email acct assures that you can personally attack
others while concealing yourself from the same. EVERYONE is familiar with
the concept. It seems to be gaining momentum in csa.
If the *FLAMER* is hiding behind such a FAKE email acct, then his posts
automatically loose any sense of credibility. This lesson should be
well learned by now with the amazing announcement of VooDoo Quake by
telesh?the...@exicte.com @my-dejanews.com etc. Such a??holes usually
are immature enough to stupe to some pretty unscrupulous means like
subscribing other "REAL accts" to ridiculous mailing lists or adverts.
So don't give me that "I'm John Smith 99" crap. It's BULLSH?T.....joe
Eric Haines
The more new Amigans online, the better, I say!
Aminet is a stupendously massive collection of Amiga-related software.
The central site is located at http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/aminet, but
there are a number of mirrors in other countries. Not all of them
carry the full archive however (understandable, really).
> I need Zip stuff to get my Zip to work between platforms.
It's in there.... You will find a search page, in which you can
do a search for something like "PC Zip" or "Mac Zip" and you should
get some results.
--Eric
Greg Tallent
>Well well well...this is gonna be just wild...
>I just picked up a SCSI Zip drive...I've been trying EVERY Zip program and
>mountlist on Aminet, and even went back through the newsgroups for some
>advice, and nothing helps.
(snip)
>Any suggestions??? Advice?? Need more info??
Let me guess, your A2091 still has the termination blocks on the controller,
right? You might try removing them...
Failing that(or if they're already gone) you said that after a LLF you could
mount the drive and format it but it died somewhere in there, did you try doing
a quick format of the drive?
I take it you're using HDToolBox? if so then does it see the drive? if it does
can you read the configuration from the drive(in HDToolBox hit the "Change drive
type" button followed by the "Define new" button and then hit the "Read
configuration" button and see what you get)?
<TSB>
Greg Tallent |Amiga2000 GVP 040/33mhz/3.1 72 megs,4 gig/OpalVision|
gwt @ gte.net |Zoom 56k, Syquest Syjet, SCSI-Zip, Picasso II 2Meg|
Vultures only fly with carrion luggage.
amig...@my-dejanews.com
e...@wyxrul.epix.net (joe) wrote:
> ** To reply in e-mail, remove "wyxrul." from address **
>
[snip]
> If the *FLAMER* is hiding behind such a FAKE email acct, then his posts
> automatically loose any sense of credibility. This lesson should be
> well learned by now with the amazing announcement of VooDoo Quake by
> telesh?the...@exicte.com @my-dejanews.com etc. Such a??holes usually
> are immature enough to stupe to some pretty unscrupulous means like
> subscribing other "REAL accts" to ridiculous mailing lists or adverts.
> So don't give me that "I'm John Smith 99" crap. It's BULLSH?T.....joe
>
Thanks for the education. As for myself, the reason that I do use other
accounts is because I'm subject to be anywhere and can get to my email here
and elsewhere without going through my ISP. Email through my ISP, Netscape
and Yahoo have my real name posted with the email account. Even Dejanews
permits a user to use his/her real name when posting all one has to do is to
enable their ISP account name, but then can be faked too.
Ancipital
>If it's not on Aminet then they either bought it or registered it (if shareware).
>Don't automatically assume they are pirates. I do know they had one bitch of a
>time getting everything working. There was a lot of cursing when they bought
>the drives and installed the software originally. I didn't have a chance to use
>a Zip until recently when one of the PPC guys wanted to get about 20megs of mpegs
>(some with audio) off my hard drive. He used his external Zip drive and software to
>get it off my A4000 and it worked without a problem 1st time! Sadly, ISISppc did not.
>But that's another story. Yes, I know it works on other PPCs. But I'm STILL waiting
>to see mpegs with audio on his PPC (A1200 25MHz 040/160MHz PPC)......joe
>
Oddly, the best little set of tools came with the squirrel interface.
Even though I nmoved onto a nice 1260 with scsi (anyone in the UK want
to buy it? <g>), and then to a 4000 with a CyberSCSI, the Zip tools
are still a godsend...
Ancipital- Inedible Buddhas reality control #1
http://www.buddhas.org is currently tqt- back soon.
To unmung email addr, remove all instances of "aremadeoffish"
"I'm not crying victim, but I am stating that a lot of spammers
are genuine scumbags." -Sanford Wallace
Ancipital
<modul...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> Hotmail has about 30 million accounts, so a lot of real names are
>taken, some more than once (johnsmith, john_smith, johnsmith99, etc.)
>Some people have a hard time with this concept, however.
Jah, but some people still think digital watches are a pretty neat
idea, along with sweeping priori judgments, ill-founded speculation
and breath-taking hypocrisy. C'est USENET :)
Not T.Rue
e...@wyxrul.epix.net (joe) wrote:
> ** To reply in e-mail, remove "wyxrul." from address **
>
> > In article <7a7mv4$7ql$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > amig...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > > In article <7a3qcu$f2$1...@news1.epix.net>,
> > > e...@gornac.epix.net (joe) wrote:
> > > > ** To reply in e-mail, remove "gornac." from address **
> > > > [snip]
> > > >
> > > > PS Why do these type of posts allways come from fake email accts like
> > > > hotmail, dejanews, etc.
> > >
> > > Not a fake e-mail account. Just another one of those free for life
> > > accounts. Of course with millions of people accessing dejanews (don't
> > > know about hotmail) my real name was already taken so.....
> >
> > Hotmail has about 30 million accounts, so a lot of real names are
> > taken, some more than once (johnsmith, john_smith, johnsmith99, etc.)
> > Some people have a hard time with this concept, however.
>
> By fake I mean "not your ISP acct." It is common practice on the ngs to troll
> from hotmail, Yahoo, or other phony accts. Most times it is flame bait,
Okay, I see what you mean now. That is outright forgery, and most
reputable ISPs will terminate the real accounts of people who post
under someone else's user name or forge another real domain name.
(There is also a practice called munging, which involves adding
something like "NOSPAM" on the right side of the '@' in order to
prevent harvesting by spammers. This is generally allowed if done properly).
Unfortunately there are some rogue ISPs like Cadvision which allow
their users to forge.
Timothy Rue
NT> In article <7a7mv4$7ql$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
NT> amig...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>> In article <7a3qcu$f2$1...@news1.epix.net>,
>> e...@gornac.epix.net (joe) wrote:
>> > ** To reply in e-mail, remove "gornac." from address **
>> > [snip]
>> >
>> > PS Why do these type of posts allways come from fake email accts like
>> > hotmail, dejanews, etc.
>>
>> Not a fake e-mail account. Just another one of those free for life
>> accounts. Of course with millions of people accessing dejanews (don't
>> know about hotmail) my real name was already taken so.....
NT> Hotmail has about 30 million accounts, so a lot of real names are
NT> taken, some more than once (johnsmith, john_smith, johnsmith99, etc.)
NT> Some people have a hard time with this concept, however.
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NT>
Clearly Modula0000, believes in double standards.
Live by the sword.............
Well we know where you are headed.
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> On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 04:19:11 GMT, Not T.Rue wrote about Re: ZIP DRIVE and
> A4000!!!!!!:
>> In article <7a7mv4$7ql$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
>> amig...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>> > In article <7a3qcu$f2$1...@news1.epix.net>,
>> > e...@gornac.epix.net (joe) wrote:
>> > > ** To reply in e-mail, remove "gornac." from address **
>> > > [snip]
>> > >
>> > > PS Why do these type of posts allways come from fake email accts like
>> > > hotmail, dejanews, etc.
>> > >---
>> >
>> > Not a fake e-mail account. Just another one of those free for life
>> > accounts. Of course with millions of people accessing dejanews (don't
>> > know about hotmail) my real name was already taken so.....
>>
>> Hotmail has about 30 million accounts, so a lot of real names are
>> taken, some more than once (johnsmith, john_smith, johnsmith99, etc.)
>> Some people have a hard time with this concept, however.
> By fake I mean "not your ISP acct." It is common practice on the ngs to
> troll from hotmail, Yahoo, or other phony accts. Most times it is flame
> bait, accusations, or outright lies. With the flamer too cowardly to risk
> his own email acct with such posts. The most infamous is probably
> telescum, telescum99, at excite, at hotmail, etc, etc or whatever his REAL
> acct is. Hiding behind a floating email acct assures that you can
> personally attack others while concealing yourself from the same. EVERYONE
> is familiar with the concept. It seems to be gaining momentum in csa.
> If the *FLAMER* is hiding behind such a FAKE email acct, then his posts
> automatically loose any sense of credibility. This lesson should be
> well learned by now with the amazing announcement of VooDoo Quake by
> telesh?the...@exicte.com @my-dejanews.com etc. Such a??holes usually
> are immature enough to stupe to some pretty unscrupulous means like
> subscribing other "REAL accts" to ridiculous mailing lists or adverts.
> So don't give me that "I'm John Smith 99" crap. It's BULLSH?T.....joe
Alot of this was applied to me by others. But guess what, of course
everyone knows about it, and they support it when they think it's helping
them.
Live by the sword...........
Very few complain about flame towards myself, in fact many participate.
Sooo....... You can bet some of the so called experts and perhaps even
legends have participated in such actions.
GEEEE, dat mus men it OK 2 do.
Fred Alse
Timothy Rue <tim...@mindspring.com> wrote
> GEEEE, dat mus men it OK 2 do.
Please learn to speak English. What on earth does that gibberish mean ?
Fred Alse
joe
On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:21:57 GMT, Ancipital wrote about Re: ZIP DRIVE and A4000!!!!!!:
> On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 04:19:11 GMT, Not T.Rue
> <modul...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>
> > Hotmail has about 30 million accounts, so a lot of real names are
> >taken, some more than once (johnsmith, john_smith, johnsmith99, etc.)
> >Some people have a hard time with this concept, however.
>
> Jah, but some people still think digital watches are a pretty neat
> idea, along with sweeping priori judgments, ill-founded speculation
> and breath-taking hypocrisy. C'est USENET :)
This makes sense if I wrote "all posters with fake accts." Instead I
wrote "all *FLAMERS* with fake accts" with a special emphasis on the
word flamers.
This not about debating a topic or even arguing. It's about personal
attacks from those hiding behind such accts and their actions. These
same individuals are usually trolling and starting flame wars whilst
hiding safely behind a wall of anonymity. Add to that their actions.
Like finding you are suddenly subscribed to a mailing list or advert
right after arguing with such a coward or pointing out that they could
not possibly know about Voodoo Quake etc. Since you are using hotmail
yourself, you don't end up subscribed to God-knows-what just because
you have disagreed with someone. Others DO..............joe
joe
On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:20:42 GMT, Ancipital wrote about Re: ZIP DRIVE and A4000!!!!!!:
> On 13 Feb 1999 12:15:26 GMT, e...@gornac.epix.net (joe) wrote:
>
>
> >If it's not on Aminet then they either bought it or registered it (if shareware).
> >Don't automatically assume they are pirates. I do know they had one bitch of a
> >time getting everything working. There was a lot of cursing when they bought
> >the drives and installed the software originally. I didn't have a chance to use
> >a Zip until recently when one of the PPC guys wanted to get about 20megs of mpegs
> >(some with audio) off my hard drive. He used his external Zip drive and software to
> >get it off my A4000 and it worked without a problem 1st time! Sadly, ISISppc did not.
> >But that's another story. Yes, I know it works on other PPCs. But I'm STILL waiting
> >to see mpegs with audio on his PPC (A1200 25MHz 040/160MHz PPC)......joe
> >
>
>
> Oddly, the best little set of tools came with the squirrel interface.
> Even though I nmoved onto a nice 1260 with scsi (anyone in the UK want
> to buy it? <g>), and then to a 4000 with a CyberSCSI, the Zip tools
> are still a godsend...
That is why I wonder why this thread is so long. In my case, the fellow
who owned the Zip spent about 30 seconds setting it up on my A4000 SCSI3.
But from following this thread, it sounds like a damn nightmare with
mountlists and formats.
While his Zip Drive (external version) was on the SCSI3 of my A4000 I simply
dragged the mpegs over. It was DAMN fast. I ran sysinfo and got
exactly 1.0MB/s transfer rate. MUCH better than floppy. But it only
takes something like 30 seconds to setup! So why is everyone having
all these problems?...........joe
Dauber
Update from Dauber...
First of all, thank you all for your help...it's gotten me a lot further
than I was when I first got the Zip drive....
I've pretty much given up trying to get the Zip drive working for the
moment--just to be safe I ordered the Revision 7.0 ROM and the Western
Digital revision 8 SCSI chip for the 2091...heck, even if this doesn't
solve my Zip problem, at least I'll have all the chips updated....
> Let me guess, your A2091 still has the termination blocks on the
controller,
> right? You might try removing them...
I have no idea what the termination blocks are...I didn't get a manual with
the 2091, nor has any technical document I found on the web told me where
the termination blocks are...Where exactly are they???
Dauber
Whenever I tried formatting the Zip disk -- both quick and full -- the
error number I got was 20...I don't have my AmigaDOS manual handy...it's
probably buried in one of my software boxes that I forgot about....but does
that mean anything in particular???
admv...@my-dejanews.com
being preferrable while I`m at work.
Feel free to mail replies to me , I`m not hiding , and I`m not going anywhere.
AdmVorlon
>
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Matt "Neko" Sealey
Dauber <dau...@wallnet.com> wrote in message
news:01be59b6$c5837800$bd08f3d0@default...
Object not found, isn`t it - you don`t have a Zip drive according to
AmigaDOS!
unless that`s 10. If not.. unexpected packet received..? So your filesystem
doesn`t
support TD_FORMAT.
Neko
Not T.Rue
"Timothy Rue" <tim...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On 14-Feb-99 23:19:11 Not T.Rue <modul...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> NT> In article <7a7mv4$7ql$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> >> In article <7a3qcu$f2$1...@news1.epix.net>,
> >> e...@gornac.epix.net (joe) wrote:
> >> > ** To reply in e-mail, remove "gornac." from address **
> >> > [snip]
> >> >
> >> > PS Why do these type of posts allways come from fake email accts like
> >> > hotmail, dejanews, etc.
> >> >---
> >>
> >> Not a fake e-mail account. Just another one of those free for life
> >> accounts. Of course with millions of people accessing dejanews (don't
> >> know about hotmail) my real name was already taken so.....
>
> NT> taken, some more than once (johnsmith, john_smith, johnsmith99, etc.)
> NT> Some people have a hard time with this concept, however.
>
> Clearly Modula0000, believes in double standards.
Actually, I just explained it to you. See the part about how Hotmail
has 30M accounts (Mindspring has about 300k, or 1% of Hotmail's number).
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere in the world there was
another person besides you with the name "Tim Rue", and that person
might even have a Hotmail account!
t...@ramjam.u-net.com
> Actually, I just explained it to you. See the part about how Hotmail
> has 30M accounts (Mindspring has about 300k, or 1% of Hotmail's number).
> In fact I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere in the world there was
> another person besides you with the name "Tim Rue", and that person
> might even have a Hotmail account!
Indeed - take a look at the people search in Lycos or other search
engines - there are around a dozen Timothy Rues on the 'net.
There is no other Tim Corringham though ;-)
Tim
Greg Tallent
>Update from Dauber...
Between the internal SCSI port and the space to mount a drive on the
card(they're black in color and there is three of them(2 are the same size and
the middle one is smaller)). This is from looking at my Revision 4.0 A2091
board. They are labled as RN1, RN2 and RN3.
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I've had a difficult past few lives.
Jeff Grimmett
>>the 2091, nor has any technical document I found on the web told me where
>>the termination blocks are...Where exactly are they???
>Between the internal SCSI port and the space to mount a drive on the
>card(they're black in color and there is three of them(2 are the same size
Sorry for the overquoting, but context...
The terminators might also be tan in color. It's more or less a crap shoot which
you'll get.
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>> After low-level formatting, prepping, SCSIMounting, etc...I'll reboot and
>> try to mount and format the Zip disk...which usually ends up in a guru...
> 4) Reboot, or just type "mount XXX:" now. There should be an icon on
> your Workbench. Click on it and select "format." Don't even do a
> full format, just use quick format. All done.
Noooo.
You *have* to do a full format for all virgin disks (any disk that is not
Amiga formatted already), then you can quick format it as many times as
you like, afterwards.
If you Quick Format a virgin disk, you run the risk of losing any data
you've copied onto it, as it is not fully prepped for use with the Amiga,
eg. it will not contain a proper Volume Bitmap directory of the disk.
Regards, Mike H.
Email:Mad...@blizzard.u-net.com
Greg Tallent
>On 14-Feb-99 23:19:11 Not T.Rue <modul...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
NT>> Hotmail has about 30 million accounts, so a lot of real names are
NT>> taken, some more than once (johnsmith, john_smith, johnsmith99, etc.)
NT>> Some people have a hard time with this concept, however.
NT>> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
NT>> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
NT>>
>Clearly Modula0000, believes in double standards.
I don't see the problem? After all, you live by double standards.
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Greg Tallent |Amiga2000 GVP 040/33mhz/3.1 72 megs,4 gig/OpalVision|
gwt @ gte.net |Zoom 56k, Syquest Syjet, SCSI-Zip, Picasso II 2Meg|
A mid-air collision can ruin you whole day.
Greg Tallent
Hopefully they are not like OUR Tim Rue...
(could the world survive more of them?)
>There is no other Tim Corringham though ;-)
YET! Remember that cloning is getting better all the time...
> Tim
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Greg Tallent |Amiga2000 GVP 040/33mhz/3.1 72 megs,4 gig/OpalVision|
gwt @ gte.net |Zoom 56k, Syquest Syjet, SCSI-Zip, Picasso II 2Meg|
Of course I'm sane...the Voices said so...
Greg Tallent
>>>I have no idea what the termination blocks are...I didn't get a manual with
>>>the 2091, nor has any technical document I found on the web told me where
>>>the termination blocks are...Where exactly are they???
>>Between the internal SCSI port and the space to mount a drive on the
>>card(they're black in color and there is three of them(2 are the same size
>Sorry for the overquoting, but context...
Not a problem, I do it all the time. :)
>The terminators might also be tan in color. It's more or less a crap shoot
>which you'll get.
That's true, Commodore wasn't exactly noted for using the same supplier of
parts...
It's possible that the terminators are Red, Blue, Tan, or Black(i've seen all of
those colors) and there could be only 2 of them or there could be 3 or even
more.
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Greg Tallent |Amiga2000 GVP 040/33mhz/3.1 72 megs,4 gig/OpalVision|
gwt @ gte.net |Zoom 56k, Syquest Syjet, SCSI-Zip, Picasso II 2Meg|
She said I didn't listen to her, or something like that.
Justin
Warren Block
>>Between the internal SCSI port and the space to mount a drive on the
>>card(they're black in color and there is three of them(2 are the same size
> Sorry for the overquoting, but context...
> The terminators might also be tan in color. It's more or less a crap
> shoot which you'll get.
Or blue, or yellow, or red...
--
Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota * USA
http://www.rapidnet.com/~wblock
Dauber
>>I have no idea what the termination blocks are...I didn't get a manual with
>>the 2091, nor has any technical document I found on the web told me where
>>the termination blocks are...Where exactly are they???
>Between the internal SCSI port and the space to mount a drive on the
>card(they're black in color and there is three of them(2 are the same size
>and the middle one is smaller)). This is from looking at my Revision 4.0
>A2091 board. They are labled as RN1, RN2 and RN3.
Okay, I pulled off RN1, RN2, RN3...[RN2 shot a big spark at me, btw!]...and
it seems to have worked in terms of termination--the Amiga wouldn't boot
unless I had the Zip connected...went through allthe steps, got exactly the
same results---the drive whirred away, ejected the disk, went through a
format [both standard and quick], but again HDToolbox wouldn't recognize the
disk after I "Save changes"ed, the formats kept failing with an error code
20 [I don't see why my filesystem wouldn't support TD_FORMAT or whatever the
other person suggested, as I have the latest...well, EVERYTHING...except for
the 2091 card, of course...]....tried several Zip disks, same thing...I'm
just gonna relax until my Revision 7 chips come...
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Jeff Grimmett
>>which you'll get.
>That's true, Commodore wasn't exactly noted for using the same supplier of
>parts...
Oh, it's a common thing among HW manufacturers. The people responsible are
usually called "buyers". They go out and arrange for mass quantities of parts
months ahead of time at the best price possible. There's a LOT to that job that
few people appreciate.
>It's possible that the terminators are Red, Blue, Tan, or Black(i've seen all
>of those colors) and there could be only 2 of them or there could be 3 or
>even more.
I'm thinking C= kept the actual number of RPs constant, just changed
manufacturers when appropriate. But it would NOT suprise me if it were as you
say.
Greg Tallent
>In comp.sys.amiga.hardware Jeff Grimmett <d...@cts.com> wrote:
>>>Between the internal SCSI port and the space to mount a drive on the
>>>card(they're black in color and there is three of them(2 are the same size
>> Sorry for the overquoting, but context...
>> The terminators might also be tan in color. It's more or less a crap
>> shoot which you'll get.
>Or blue, or yellow, or red...
Personally I like the ones that are plaid with polka dot stripes...
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Greg Tallent |Amiga2000 GVP 040/33mhz/3.1 72 megs,4 gig/OpalVision|
gwt @ gte.net |Zoom 56k, Syquest Syjet, SCSI-Zip, Picasso II 2Meg|
I'm so poor I can only afford a dust bunny for a pet.
Eric Haines
> >> After low-level formatting, prepping, SCSIMounting, etc...I'll reboot and
> >> try to mount and format the Zip disk...which usually ends up in a guru...
> >> Any suggestions??? Advice?? Need more info??
> [snip]
> > 4) Reboot, or just type "mount XXX:" now. There should be an icon on
> > your Workbench. Click on it and select "format." Don't even do a
> > full format, just use quick format. All done.
>
> Noooo.
Yeeess. :)
> You *have* to do a full format for all virgin disks (any disk that is not
> Amiga formatted already), then you can quick format it as many times as
> you like, afterwards.
Well, half my Zip disks and all of my MO disks were just quick
formatted. I have been doing this for *years*. (2.5 years, anyway.)
I have not lost a byte of data. (Except that one time when my SCSI
interface worked loose.)
> If you Quick Format a virgin disk, you run the risk of losing any data
> you've copied onto it, as it is not fully prepped for use with the Amiga,
> eg. it will not contain a proper Volume Bitmap directory of the disk.
Come to think of it, I only used FFS briefly on these disks before I
got AFS, and then later PFS2. Maybe that makes a difference.
For that matter, I never did a full format on my hard drive, either,
though of course I use PFS2 on that as well. Maybe this is "wrong,"
but I can only tell you my experience.
--Eric
Warren Block
> Mike H. scribbled this...
>> 4) Reboot, or just type "mount XXX:" now. There should be an icon on
>> your Workbench. Click on it and select "format." Don't even do a
>> full format, just use quick format. All done.
> Noooo.
> You *have* to do a full format for all virgin disks (any disk that is not
> Amiga formatted already), then you can quick format it as many times as
> you like, afterwards.
Nope. A quick format is all that's needed to use hard disks and other
media (Zip/Jaz/Syquest) where the computer doesn't directly have magnetic
access to the media. The only additional thing a full format does is wipe
out the contents of the sectors, which can be handy when you run Disksalv
later. (Disksalv can otherwise bring back very old stuff.)
> If you Quick Format a virgin disk, you run the risk of losing any data
> you've copied onto it, as it is not fully prepped for use with the Amiga,
> eg. it will not contain a proper Volume Bitmap directory of the disk.
I'd be interested in seeing evidence of this. For one thing, how can the
filesystem for a drive work at all without a bitmap?
A quick format just skips the step of writing to every sector. It still
writes all the underlying filesystem stuff as a "full" format.
Greg Tallent
>> [snip]
>> >> After low-level formatting, prepping, SCSIMounting, etc...I'll reboot
>> >> and try to mount and format the Zip disk...which usually ends up in a
>> >> guru... Any suggestions??? Advice?? Need more info??
>> [snip]
>> > your Workbench. Click on it and select "format." Don't even do a
>> > full format, just use quick format. All done.
>>
>> Noooo.
>Yeeess. :)
>> You *have* to do a full format for all virgin disks (any disk that is not
>> Amiga formatted already), then you can quick format it as many times as
>> you like, afterwards.
>Well, half my Zip disks and all of my MO disks were just quick
>formatted. I have been doing this for *years*. (2.5 years, anyway.)
>I have not lost a byte of data. (Except that one time when my SCSI
>interface worked loose.)
IIRC, i've quick formatted EVERY DISK in the last 10 years now and I have YET
to have any problem caused by the formatting.
in fact on my Zip disks the PC format is STILL INTACT(mount ZipPC and look at
the Zip disk) and all I need to do when I want to use one on the PC is go into
the disk(using CrossDOS) and delete the crap that's there(each directory
starts out with about 20 "0" then some other junk) and yet they work
flawlessly on the Amiga as Amiga disks.
>> If you Quick Format a virgin disk, you run the risk of losing any data
>> you've copied onto it, as it is not fully prepped for use with the Amiga,
>> eg. it will not contain a proper Volume Bitmap directory of the disk.
>Come to think of it, I only used FFS briefly on these disks before I
>got AFS, and then later PFS2. Maybe that makes a difference.
Doesn't the PFS2 docs talk about some bug in the format command(or was that
the mount command?) and don't they recommend that users use the "Quick" option
of the format command to get around it?
>For that matter, I never did a full format on my hard drive, either,
>though of course I use PFS2 on that as well. Maybe this is "wrong,"
>but I can only tell you my experience.
Hmm, I don't think that I EVER did a full format of ANY hard drive and yet
they work perfectly.
Go figure...
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gwt @ gte.net |Zoom 56k, Syquest Syjet, SCSI-Zip, Picasso II 2Meg|
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Greg Tallent
>>>The terminators might also be tan in color. It's more or less a crap shoot
>>>which you'll get.
>>That's true, Commodore wasn't exactly noted for using the same supplier of
>>parts...
>Oh, it's a common thing among HW manufacturers. The people responsible are
>usually called "buyers". They go out and arrange for mass quantities of parts
>months ahead of time at the best price possible. There's a LOT to that job
>that few people appreciate.
Like: The hours, the stress, the ulcers... :)
The possibility of going nuts, getting a gun and going "postal"... :)
>>It's possible that the terminators are Red, Blue, Tan, or Black(i've seen
>>all of those colors) and there could be only 2 of them or there could be 3
>>or even more.
>I'm thinking C= kept the actual number of RPs constant, just changed
>manufacturers when appropriate. But it would NOT suprise me if it were as you
>say.
I THINK I saw a 2090 with only 2 terminators but it has been a rather long time
since I saw it.
I've gone through several generations of Quantum drives that the older
generation had three while the next had only 2 then the next after that went
back to 3...
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Greg Tallent |Amiga2000 GVP 040/33mhz/3.1 72 megs,4 gig/OpalVision|
gwt @ gte.net |Zoom 56k, Syquest Syjet, SCSI-Zip, Picasso II 2Meg|
Another victory for Truth, Justice and Automatic weapons.
Jeff Grimmett
>>usually called "buyers". They go out and arrange for mass quantities of
>>parts months ahead of time at the best price possible. There's a LOT to that
>>job that few people appreciate.
>Like: The hours, the stress, the ulcers... :)
Our department's buyer DOES seem to be a bit high-strung...
>The possibility of going nuts, getting a gun and going "postal"... :)
::laugh:: did you formerly work the same place I did? We had that very thing
happen, only he ::fortunately:: didn't have a gun. I recall then wondering
what a "buyer" would have to go postal OVER :-/
>I've gone through several generations of Quantum drives that the older
>generation had three while the next had only 2 then the next after that went
>back to 3...
We need a conspiracy theory to cover that one. I'll do a search over at
slashdot. They usually come through for stuff like that :-)
Dauber
>: Any suggestions??? Advice?? Need more info??
>Perhaps you have a BusMaster issue between the IDE (PIO) and the SCSI
>(Zorro) interfaces.
How do I find this out?? I've never heard of such a problem, honestly...
BTW--I re-read one of Warren's hardware guides, and it said that a 68040
machine with an A2091 MUST use the Revision 7 ROM, which I do NOT [yet]
have, so that might be a problem...yet it still managed to actually make the
Zip drive whirr and tick...
[BTW...I wonder WHERE THE HELL my Rev 7 and Rev 08 Western Digital are! They
said 2-6-day delivery...I ordered 'em Monday, probably shipped out
Tuesday...here it is Thursday of the following week! And Ocean Grove, New
Jersey AIN'T FAR from Newark, Delaware!]
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